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I used to be a conservative because "everyone was doing it". However, as I got older I noticed that conservatism conflicted with a lot christian principles such as helping the poor, loving your enemy, not being greedy and not returning evil for evil or insult for insult. Then I started looking at the "evil godless liberals" who sodomize unborn babies and take drugs, when I noticed that there were only a small amount of lost souls who actually considered those values. When I started exploring the political side of it, I found that the left had more in common with christianity than the right did. It actually did its best love its neighbor in a bigger sense.
Once I saw that, I couldn't really go back. Who else here is a christian liberal?
>>70176794
Every true Christian should be an Orthodox Monarchist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCc28TTX_Ig
>>70176794
I did read somewhere that 1 in 3 Democrats is pro-life. I don't think religion shapes one's political views. I think political views influence what you attribute more importance to in religion
>>70176794
>>>/reddit/
I agree. Jesus created man equal and there should be no reason to discriminate against anybody. What right is there in the Bible for us to keep a White majority in America? Especially when we killed Natives for it?
>>70177314
Yeah, I honestly can't see how someone could deprive a child the right to live. As far as political views, maybe. Although it has been the other way around for me.
>>70177793
Man is created equal. Not guaranteed lifetime equality.
>>70179243
As christians, we are supposed to treat everyone equally and fairly.
>>70176794
We always need to ask ourselves what would Jesus do. And what would He do in the Refuge Crisis? He would get himself crucified by His enemies while forgiving them for it. We should do as He did.
and when your country and your way of life is completely subverted and destroyed what good are your beliefs then?
>>70176794
you seem like a confused cuck and probably a filthy protestant and kike sympathizer as well
check yourself m80
>>70179409
And the kingdom of man is supposed to stay separate from the kingdom of heaven until the return of Christ.
>>70176794
People who break laws don't follow god.
>>70176794
Every Christian should be like the Pentecostals and be completely apolitical.
>>70176794
More proof that Christianity is suicide.
>falling for the abrahamic religion meme
>>70178154
That said, I think the idea suggested by your OP pic that Christianity favors open borders is ridiculous.
It seems like whenever I debate a liberal on border issues, they don't invoke Christianity until every other argument has been exhausted. It makes me think they don't even attribute religious importance to it, it just makes them feel good. Jesus never mentioned borders but he did say that we should obey laws.
>>70179588
I've read through the bibles more than a few times, and I have not seen that.
>>70179409
No you're not, you are supposed to love everyone.
If you choose to extend that to treating everyone equally and fairly, that's on you, not the bible.
>>70176794
When you consider the core tenets of the faith, then yes they are in agreement with liberalism. Rational thinking however is more in favour of conservative mindset in many aspects of a political discussion. One mindset isn't worse than the other necessarily, it's merely the unstated set of principles and or assumptions that one is examining a problem with.
Some people never outgrow one mindset.
>>70176794
Shill thread. They're so easy to spot.
Let me educate you. The right gives exponentially more to charity than the left in practice, so there goes that argument right out the fucking window.
Secondly, the Bible says to help the poor. It says "Give what you have decided in your heart to give." This means charity. Charity is willful giving, and that is why it has virtue.
Leftism is not charity, as it is government enforced redistribution. You have no choice in the matter. It is theft.
>>70179855
I would like to just point out that fairness and equality are many times mutually exclusive and are indeed two different entities.
>>70176794
God bless everyone on /pol/ especially our Christian brothers.
>>70180011
individuality and equality are mutually exclusive as well.
What's your point?
>>70179643
Christianity can only survive in civilizations that value their culture and heritage enough to defend it.
The rapid spread of Islam throughout the world is very indicative of this. Notice how Europe remains unfazed throughout this period.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AvFl6UBZLv4
This thread
>>70176794
You've never been a christian, stupid shill
>>70179772
I didn't really get an open borders vibe from the pic, although I could see how you could get that. The sentiment I agreed with was the mistreatment of different ethnos on the basis of different ethnicity was not in line with christian values. The law is important and should be followed as best as possible, but when unusual circumstances arise when it becomes broken, I think the best course of action is mercy and attempts to reconcile.
>>70179992
Isn't most charities in USA are tax detuctable? I wonder how much people would give if they removed that function.
>>70180290
Part of Jesus' ministry was to expose the evil pharisees who were of one ethnicity, Jewish.
>>70176794
The holy bible may preach peace, but when it is Christendom it's self which is threatened than it is every christian's duty to defend all that is holy.
>>70179777
It's pretty clear. The kingdom of heaven will be established on Earth by Christ. An attempt by anyone else would be imperfect and warped. Humans should therefore plan their government in the best way we can and understand that reaching for perfection will backfire until we have Christ back.
>>70180266
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, YHWH. I have been baptized and do my best to adhere to the Christian faith. Also, I do church outside of church
Is that sufficient evidence to the contrary?
>>70180290
I think racism (as in making presumptions and passing unfair judgement upon someone based on their race/appearance) is a sin. But I do not believe ethnocentrism is a sin.
>>70180379
All that means is that you don't pay tax on any money that you give away to charity you dense fuck. It doesn't magically give you money or anything.
The way illegal immigrantion operates it harms poor people who already live here. Those are people God cares about too. If you really care so much about the poor in Latin America, send them money so they don't have to trek across a deadly wilderness to work for pennies so you can have cheap shit. This is Pharisee-grade social signalling, not morality.
>>70181031
Was just a thought, no need to get triggered and act so christlike on me son.
What you are is a Christian SOCIALIST. Or possibly distributist.
Bu definition liberalism is anti Christian.
>>70180629
>Is that sufficient evidence to the contrary?
No. It's not even evidence anyways.
How is a welfare state anything akin to christianity? It's exactly the opposite, actually.
>this we commanded you, If any will not work, neither let him eat.
Seems pretty much the opposite of what you're claiming.
>>70176794
Smart man. You tell the truth
>>70176794
>>>/r9k/
>>70176794
Mexico should fucking take care of them then. They're Catholic. Take care of your own fucking people, Mexico.
>>70181225
>poor people are lazy shysters
That view is not very christian. Aside from which, you're taking it out of context.
Tell me what Jesus said on how to organize modern Democratic nations and I might just take what you said onboard.
Shill.
>>70176794
>this kills the zionist
I'm a good person, I'm willing to harm my family and my neighbors for cheap labor and call it self-sacrifice
>>70179553
>these are things that Christ would want you to say
You'll be a teenager until you're on your deathbed. Then you'll just be a *desperate* teenager.
>>70181509
Sounds like you've already made up your mind, friend.
>>70180581
MEDIEVAL 2 TOTAL WAR MY NIGGA
>>70181488
>For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you
Well, when you read the rest, it seems pretty obvious what the context is. Do tell how I'm wrong though, shill.
>>70181738
Just ignore obvious shitposts like that.
>>70180581
According to whom? I have not seen that sort of sentiment anywhere in the Gospel or the Epistles.
>>70181225
Most poor people work. Most of the working poor are not paid adequately by their slavemasters. Those slavemasters are at a disadvantage to even a camel entering the eye of a needle. To put such people on a pedestal over your toiling neighbor is lunacy.
>>70176794
You first Paco.
Stop hurting your neighbors, coveting their possessions, and hoarding so much compared to the world's poorest.
*render unto Caesar what is Caesar's
>>70181904
Well, most likely because the Gospels, and the rest of the new testament wasn't written with the idea that the European way of life was going to be built so heavily around Christianity.
>>70181835
Paul said that people should work and not be lazy. Your prejudice that poor people are lazy shysters is not Christian.
>>70181904
The idea that Christendom must be defended from outside forces seeking to destroy not only the theology of Christianity but also the way of life associated with Christendom came later. When Christendom was several kingdoms, and not cults set up in Greece by Paul.
>>70179409
> Christ didn't go into the Jewish temple and toss tables around demanding respect for his father.
Being Christian does not mean being pussy.
I think the Mormon's probably have it right..
Doctrine and Covenants Section 98:
"And again, if he shall smite you the third time, and ye bear it patiently, your reward shall be doubled unto you four-fold;
27 And these three testimonies shall stand against your enemy if he repent not, and shall not be blotted out.
28 And now, verily I say unto you, if that enemy shall escape my vengeance, that he be not brought into judgment before me, then ye shall see to it that ye warn him in my name, that he come no more upon you, neither upon your family, even your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.
29 And then, if he shall come upon you or your children, or your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation, I have delivered thine enemy into thine hands"
tl;dr: As Christians we are to endure, but endurance does not have to be eternal. If your enemy won't stop, fuck him up.
>>70182022
THIS
America never had a sugar daddy to run to when the going got rough
>>70182014
>Those slavemasters are at a disadvantage to even a camel entering the eye of a needle.
at least keep your shilling coherent. You make no sense.
>>70182161
>Your prejudice that poor people are lazy shysters is not Christian.
I never said that, you did.
You also said that the libtards are the ones providing for the poor through government handouts, which is the "christian" thing to do, even though the bible specifically says it's not.
>>70176794
As someone who is rightwing and have to work with the left-wingers on legal matters I have to say that they are good idealistic people. Their ideals like socialism and social justice are flawed, not the actual people.
>>70176794
Congrats, you just cucked yourself. Enjoy helping our nation towards its grave.
>>70182396
Seriously, Christian Organizations like the Catholic Charities and the LDS Bishops Storehouse feed more hungry people than any government ever has short of the food stamp program. Better still, they work with families to get them off the programs and into independence. Food Stamps are one of the most abused and corrupt programs we have.
Adam and Eve were placed in the garden to pick fruit but God still deported them when they broke the law
>>70182396
Matthew 19:24
As for your other gripe, Ezekiel 16:49
>>70176794
I think Jesus was a Christian liberal.
>>70182527
spotted the jew
>>70182629
Are you saying Adam and Eve were the first Mexicans?
You're not virtuous by pointing a gun at people and telling them to be virtuous.
>>70182527
If so: Deus vult.
What is certain is that appealing to the oligarchy is neither Christian nor has it been demonstrably effective.
>>70182656
It says help the poor and needy, not give them all your shit and hope for the best. Give people a chance to work hard and prove themselves and they will achieve more than they ever could by being kept half alive on charity.
Liberals promise a populace eternally bound to the tit of the state. They will survive, but never live as God intended. All must work to better our society.
>>70182911
I agree, fuck the reactionaries.
>Democratic party
Abortion
Socialism
Racist affirmative action
Gay "marriage"
Secularism mandated
Religious liberty infringed
The Republican platform isn't against God in any way, but I admit there are ungodly Republicans
>>70182656
>Matthew 19:24
Completely irrelevant to your point. The rich persons sins are irrelevant to you, me and everybody but god. I don't know why you're prattling on about rich people.
> Ezekiel 16:49
Yes, and it's YOUR JOB as a christian to help the poor. It's not the governments job, so you can be a lazy sack of shit and say "oh well I personally don't need to help the poor because the government is doing it without any help from me besides some taxes."
>>70182985
Conservatives don't help the poor and needy, though; they very, very occasionally contribute to shell corporations masquerading as charities to bankroll lobbyists.
People are already working hard and not being paid adequately or justly for their labor. Their employers deserve punishment every day they draw breath. The state is a non-issue, though their policies toward aiding the disadvantaged is at least conforming with Christian theological precepts.
>>70182985
Also, you found my "eye of the needle" line incoherent. You were not familiar with the scripture. Then you moved to non-sequiter. Are you intelligent?
>>70183118
Might as well have the government do it, because Christians sure as fuck won't. They'll let the lower-class drive toward Revolution if it means they can assume a position of indolent self-righteousness.
>>70183334
How are mega corporations politically aligned? You know Obama broke the record for corporate donations in 2008 right? Then he broke it again in 2012. They have no alignment, they just purchase candidates on both sides of the aisle.
And people are being given enough. If not by companies, then by the state. Welfare is plenty to survive on and even to build a better life for you and your children (inb4 muh poverty cycle myth that's only present for niggers).
>>70183553
>Might as well have the government do it, because Christians sure as fuck won't.
back to leleddit, shill. You know nothing of what you're talking about besides a few cherry picked verses taken out of context from a kikebook meme.
>>70180248
>Anon thinks this image is wrong for some reason
>>70176794
>helping the poor
The church should do that not the state
>loving your enemy
That's referring to people you have disagreements with in your personal life. Not hordes upon hordes of people who's ideologies threaten your way of life
>not being greedy
Wanting a nation with a secure economy for you and your children is not being greedy
>not returning evil for evil or insult for insult
We're not even allowed to speak our minds these days...
>>70176794
Covet not what is thy neighbor's. Neither his oxen nor asses.
>>70183590
>getting this personally offended
I strum those nerves like banjo strings. High-five!
>>70183590
Corporations are shit regardless of who they vote for because they are content to ruin the democratic process and set up castes for the benefit of executive-level hedonism and degeneracy.
>Welfare is plenty to survive on
Try it out.
And if half-hearted non-Bible-reading ain't-need-no-LIEberal-edumacation-anyhoo morons had there way, it wouldn't exist. Read the contents of this thread. It shouldn't need to exist to be sure, but employers will not pay their employees anything approaching what they are earning on pain of death.
>>70183959
Can you really not see that its the Democrats who promote hedonistic degeneracy? The Republicans aren't blameless, but the vast majority of the damage being done to this country is due to the left. Who's legalizing recreational drugs like weed because they don't seem to harm people that much? Who decriminalized adultery? Who's normalizing mental illnesses like homosexuality and gender identity disorder?
>>70176794
Since when does "helping the poor" mean voting to have the government point a gun at someone's head, rob them, call it "Taxation", and give to Section 8 Welfare Shaniquas to pop out brown babies that grow up to be future prison inmates?
>>70176794
>>70177476
>>70176794
I'm literally the opposite of this OP, I realized what a communist faggot Jesus was and became an atheist libertarian. I'm literally one of the few gods among men that base their decisions and philosophies on reason and objectivity rather than on the delusions of the supernatural or yearning for a hypothetical utopia outside of our financial and technological means.
>>70176794
This post proves that Nietzsche was right.
>>70176794
>"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces"
~Matthew 7:6
>>70184384
>pic related
Women are such retards.
>>70177314
good thought.
this 'goy' sounds like a christian liberal sometimes
>>70176794
>When I started exploring the political side of it,
That is where you went wrong anon. Jesus wasn't political, he was all about the individual's spiritual and moral choices.
Jesus never told "government" to love the people, he told YOU to love them.
One is personal charity, the other is communism.
pic related.
>>70185096
This.
Jesus hated bullshit virtue signalling masquerading as dedication to justice. Pharisees are the biblical SJWs
>>70177793
>Jesus created man equal
You are literally brain damaged if you believe that. People have unique intrinsic value to God, but people ARE NOT created equal.
The fact that you are on here instead of an NFL star quarterback is proof.
People are highly varied in physical, mental, and emotional prowess.
Jesus did not create men equal, he created them with diverse strengths and weaknesses because they were designed to work together and appreciate eachother
>>70185096
That's the jist of it.
And the left says its against legislating morality.
>>70185096
>steal
when will this meme die
>>70185726
You can never kill the truth, comrade.
>>70185726
>>steal
>when will this meme die
Jesus told you what you should do with YOUR money faggot.
Not mine.
>>70185726
>steal
To take something from someone regardless of that person's consent
>taxes
To take something from someone regardless of that person's consent
>christian
>liberal
Burn in hell.
