Yes, I am a Bernie supporter, no I don't "just want free shit". I am starting a career in the working class, with that being said I will earn every cent I acquire. /pol/ has turned Bernie into a "radical socialist" when all he's trying to do is eliminate college debt. I did not choose college for that very reason. Paying $30,000 a year, and living off my parents while working a minimum wage job to make ends meet didn't sound too appealing to me. So yeah I could've taken that route and fallen into debt and slaved my ass off for 10 years before I finally pay my tuition off. That's if and only if I find a good paying job right after I graduate.
Furthermore, we get the "highschool was free look at how seriously people took that" well what if I told you the cost had nothing to do with people's work ethic. There's this thing called ambition, and if you are determined to do well you will do everything it takes to succeed. People will go to the most expensive schools in the country and still take it as a joke, get drunk every night and fail out.
On top of that we're getting the "if you want affordable education go and pick up a rifle and join the military". I'm sorry but that's just plain ignorant. Really? So if I want an affordable education I should have to sacrifice my life, strictly because college tuition in the United States is incredibly high?
Many countries have much more affordable college tuition, yes some even have FREE college tuition. But this is America where if you want a free education you're a dumbass.
>>70173888
Then move to another country if you want a free education. Not to mention the colleges we have are shit, so making them "free" won't do a damn thing.
I didn't read anything you wrote lololololol
>>70173888
>its free shit
says the people who had free college
>>70173888
>supporting a cuck
>>70174580
not an argument
>>70174380
>the colleges we have are shit
>U.S. has the best colleges in the world
yeah okay pal
>>70173888
Back to upvoteland, matey.
>>70174704
Private institutions won't be free. You know this right?
>>70174580
Trump had a rally canceled due to degenerate BLM members. Who is the real cuck?
>>70173888
I want to keep as much of my paycheck as possible.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016
>>70174704
Go to college pay to learn how evil the white man is, listen to people whine and cry about their oppression and feelings, graduate, can't find a job due to foreigners getting hired for cheaper, ah well time to work at wendys serving chicken tendies, nah I ain't got time for that.
>>70173888
Mexican-American here.
My grandfather's generation had to fight in wars under conscription because they couldn't afford to go to college to get a free pass out of Vietnam and Korea.
You want to talk about privilege? Let's talk about nearly an entire generation of men in my family not coming back home to their families to protect your white ass from communists like Shekelberg there.
How about the fact that Bernie doesn't actually give a shit about the environment, or about the common man?
Did you know that in 1998, Bernie spearheaded a bill to dump nuclear waste into poor hispanic towns in Texas, and refused to let anyone tell him it was a bad idea, and was recorded as saying that "The groundwater is deep, a little nuclear waste won't hurt it"?
That's the guy you want to elect. A guy who speaks a good populist game, whose progressive cred is going to a few rallies, but never actually fighting for what he supposedly believes in, and when his back is put to the wall, will shit on the littest, weakest guy.
>>70175545
This was a dragon chimpout, anything past wplf is acceptable
>>70173888
the majority of college debt is from living on residence, not tuition, and the government will only be paying tuition
>>70173888
College debt is 100% voluntary. I've paid less than 15k over 7 years of schooling and have 2 degrees with zero debt. College debt only exists because of spoiled kiddies that demand mommy and daddy send them to expensive party schools to earn useless degrees
>>70173888
I am totally with you man. Good post.
>>70177082
This right here.
Just go to a local university. There is no reason why anyone needs to go to some fucking out-of-state school and pay something like 70k a year for an education.
>>70173888
You have to go back to plebbit.
It is your fault you didn't study and make the right decisions and I hope you get cucked even more you stupid piece of filth.
>>70173888
COMMUNISM
>>70173888
Move to Somalia you cuck
>>70173888
Bernie lost, you'd best start licking Hillary's rotten muff now.
>>70173888
YOUR A FUCKING WHITE MALE
>falling for the "free college" shit
It'll only lead to high taxes to everyone, high corruption and bureaucracy indexes inside the institution and scrapped universities.
>>70173888
fuck off jidf
>>70176426
I like you, ya filthy beaner, and your taco family too. Maybe if we had more spics like you and less commie loving white trash pseudo intellectual numale faggots, america wouldn't need trump so badly
>>70173888
>I don't Want Free Shit
> I don't wan't to work a part time job.
> I don't want to work at the military
Sure thing Op and you wonder why people don't take Bernie Supporters seriously
Also why the fuck do people always feel the need to shill at /pol. Is meme magic that strong?
>>70173888
He will still allow usury and us being dependent on the international banks through the production of money and not through the production of goods. He is a false phrophet.
>>70173888
CC then college. Pick a good degree and it'll pay off or do trade school. Free college just means that people pick stupid degrees and everyone will have to pay for it. If cost really was a problem, let people pay it off once they get a job like they do in australia.
>>70174380
Colleges are pretty much there for a diploma; what you're really getting out of it are connections, because we all have access to the literature (if not the equipment) necessary for inclusion into practically every job that exists in this country.
Even state schools are generally okay in the U.S. What is making all college education shitty today is the proliferation of graduates, which are increasingly becoming a common, devalued commodity.
>>70176426
>what is the GI Bill
Your forebears fucked up.
>>70179642
Not really. My grandfather used the money to buy a house in the nice side of town, which gave him the financial breathing room he needed to start a business.
When he passes, my brother and I stand to inherit a number of prime lots of land and buildings in our city's main street that he's held onto all these years.
>>70177192
how do you have no debt??
>>70173888
>>70173888
When you have a extra 10% percent taken out of your paycheck each week in taxes will you be happy?
Will you be happy when your property taxes are higher then a mortgage?
Bernies policys will drain the working class and not the rich
>>70177539
>>70177701
>>70177495
Not an argument fags
>>70173888
>/pol/ has turned Bernie into a "radical socialist"
M8, we didn't do that, he did it to himself. And he's not only out to eliminate college debt, he also wants to eliminate poverty. A noble goal, but his ideas behind why poverty is the way it is don't mesh with reality.
Good paragraphs though, I mean, I could almost take you seriously. If it weren't for the fact that Bernie was also in charge of all our VA hospitals, I might consider him to be a good candidate, but I've worked in those, they're shit-holes.
>>70173888
I don't want to have to pay to put unambitious people through college just so they can put off actually doing anything for a few more years. If it were only people who were going to take it seriously, that would be a different story, but it will end up as "highschool 2: can now legally buy alcohol edition".
>>70175708
I'll lose seven weeks worth of pay checks to this kike. SEVEN WEEKS! They want me to work for almost two months for free to pay for other people's crap! I've already paid for my college, I already have insurance, this boils my goddamn blood...
>>70178916
Well... /pol/ is responsible for all the good shit that happens around the internet.
>>70180191
I don't know about him, but my girlfriend will be graduating next year with no debt. She works at an auto plant on the weekends and studies throughout the week.
Reminder that first-time voters want Sanders - NOT Trump or hillary.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gen-z-bernie-sanders-answers-the-how-policy-making
>The Iowa caucuses tonight will turn on a number of factors: Will the unseasonably warm weather hold up? Which campaigns have the strongest ground game? And will turnout be closer to the lackluster result in 2004 or the record finish in 2008? For Bernie Sanders, it could also come down to whether his supporters, particularly his disproportionately young fans, turn out.
>“Well, everyone talks about the younger voter,” said David Stillman, a researcher who launched a national research project this year with his son Jonah studying young Americans, including their priorities in the coming elections.
>“Everyone just assumes they’re millennials. What we’ve uncovered is there is a whole new generation that started in 1995 – Gen Z, so the leading age is 21 … [who are] voting for the first time. So Jonah and I came down to Iowa to see what’s on their mind. What are they thinking about when it comes to politics?”
How pissy does this make you, /pol/?
>>70180505
what has he done or said to make him a radical socialist? Why SPECIFICALLY won't his policies work? All you people do here is spout "cuck" and "jew" because that's all you have to go off of, ad hominems. Bernie's policies will save middle and working class Americans money by lowering healthcare costs and investing in human capital and infrastructure. You have no words, you have no figures, you have no pictures. It's just blatant prejudice. That's your argument.
yeah, yeah, this is either a bait, a shill, or a retarded OP but here goes:
>all he is trying to do is eliminate college debt
dont kid yourself. you can literally pull up videos of him asked before, or go to his website or some shit. then you'll see his only agenda isn't just ''college should be free''. thats looking aside from the fact that free college simply isnt feasible in USA, regardless of what your feefees says about it.
>slaved ass of, fallen into debt, good paying job
I keep seeing this from leafcucks and leftie burgers: you are idiotic if you think money flows like honey and milk in the land of free college. Job is as hard, if not harder to get here than in burgerland, that is unless it's a ''youth job.'' it has literally nothing to do with college.
>highschool was free look at how seriously people took that - '' cost has nothing to do with work ethic''
very good. except it does. its common sense that anything given without any pain of any sort is easier taken for granted: and that is not even looking at the actual argument. people drop out of high end expensive colleges too, but not because ''muh ethic'' but because they are there because rich parents paid for it. those who got there by charisma and ability alone do not drop out. and the matter of the fact is that if college suddenly became free, next to no one would neglect dropping out/failing/passing with horrendous scores. again, this is not even considering free college is feasible: which it is not.
>go pick up a rifle and join the military for affordable education
true that, it isnt very ''fair''. but life isnt fair you manchild. if military or no education are the only options, you have to pick one: not vote an idiot into the white house. not to mention that joining the military rarely, statistically, puts your life in danger. also, joining the army to serve your country seems perfectly fine: back in denmark a third of every young man joins the military out of free will.
continuing
>>70173888
>more affordable college tuition, yes some even have FREE college tuition.
free college and education (or welfare for that matter) works only with a dedicated, relatively small, and nationalistic population. that is why it worked in scandinavia, and that is why it is dropping now: milennials and immigrants are ruining it, and in, at max, 30 years there will be no succesful welfare society left. if you convince yourself otherwise, you are frankly, ignorant.
keep em coming
>>70180841
It's the cycle of nature, new young voters tend to be liberal and naive. For them it's babby's first election and most of them pick democrat anyways. A lot of them eventually outgrow it.
Same shit happened to me - fell for the Obama meme the first time I voted in 08, in 2012 it was Romney, and now this year it's Trump all the way.
>>70173888
Oh wait what did you say?
Florida thread?
Why don't mind if we do
>>70181327
>milennials and immigrants are ruining it, and in, at max, 30 years there will be no succesful welfare society left. if you convince yourself otherwise, you are frankly, ignorant.
this is an ignorant statement. Blame the young people and the immigrants, not the greedy fucks running everything. Yeah, okay. I'm tired of blatant racism clouding everyone's minds. The establishment wants you to be racist so you can give shitty excuses for why free college won't work
>>70181466
aussie shitposting on standby
>>70174704
>best colleges
like that one guy said, you have the worlds best private education institutions, which wont become free (or cheaper) because of Bernie. your free college (or expensive but ''normal'') is frankly shit and a joke to the rest of the world.
>what has he done or said? show me proof? you have none, you are stupid
mate, i got about ten pictures saved in my great folder of 4chins which are solely dedicated to bernie's tax plans, education plans, and quotes. this IS 4chan, however, and one would expect that if you had lurked for more than a month you would have seen a fair share of them, and wouldnt require proof. if you really cant be arsed to google them yourself (trust me, it isnt hard) then i shall for you.
>>70173888
>/pol/ has turned Bernie into a "radical socialist"
No. Bernie has described himself as a socialist. That's how he got to be labeled a socialist, he did it himself.
pic related is your comrade bernie
>>70173888
I am voting for Bernie
because
He seems to be the only candidate that actually wants to fix America's infrastructure.
Wants to fix stagnant wages.
Free education. (You know that thing that is the largest grower of the economy, ever, in any country, for all time)
Make weed legal. (God I want this so bad, and I don't even smoke.)
Not start worthless wars.
Doesn't care about more gun laws. (Gun violence goes down every year)
Has always been pro gay.
Wants to get money out of politics.
WANTS TO EXPAND SOCIAL SECERITY (Almost no one voting for him will even benefit from this, it is the right thing to do)
>>70174380
You know Berkeley is the #1 public university in the world, right?
>>70181466
>>70181673
It's time we join, brothers
Florida man reporting in
>>70181745
>I have pictures that will refute your argument
>I wont show them though
>But really I have them
Sure you do. Look through the archive, you won't find a single picture like the ones you're describing. Full of shit.
>>70181661
this has just convinced me that you are a troll/shill, and not just a moron.
i blame the young people and the immigrants because that I have seen it first hand. I have seen them getting handed greater bonuses than the native danes, refusing to assimilate, comitting crimes of all kinds, for no apparent reason. this, again, i can also show you many lovely pics of, but I am legitimately convinced that you are a troll.
>young people
it is true though, the young people are to blame, but not solely: their parents are as much, but the matter of the fact is that the parents arent the curent problem.
>tired of blatant racism
this was what convinced me. i have literally not said nor implied a single racist thing; not to mention that this is 4chan. if you came on here expecting, or being unable to handle racism of any degree, you havent been here enough: a shill indeed.
>muh establishment
oh please. i have seen it first hand, and can come with many examples, as half of /pol/ can, but you just wont accept that your precious saviour ''Bernie Sanders'' plans are unrealistic.
>>70181883
Ave, brother
>>70181018
The problem is that his plan shits on established middle class families. My wife and I collectively make 120000 a year. However, we live in Boston where the cost of living is so high that 120000 is barely enough for us to save for a permanent home or retirement. As it stands I already pay 35000 a year in state and federal taxes -- Bernie's plan would jack that up by 12000 dollars.
And for what? My insurance premium from my job is only about 4500 a year. Free healthcare that I don't need? Free college that I already went to (and paid for)? It's all well and good that Sanders wants these things for all Americans but the problem is that established, middle class families get completely fucked by his tax plans because they may actually not have the ability to live within their means anymore after getting their take home pay slashed by a whopping 10-15000 bucks a year. What do people like me gain from this?
>>70180191
Academic scholarship, not hard to get if you care about high school and the SATs
>>70182023
>This person won't accept my dumb racist ideas
>Blaming immigrants for a country's failing education isn't racism
>I can't be a dumb racist, therefore this person is a troll!
Eat shit. Not everyone on 4chan is racist.
>>70173888
>I dont want free shit
>wants free shit
>>70173888
as a fellow member of the working class, I can assure you my brother, that Bernie is indeed looking out for the little guy.
>>70181979
to quote yourself, you pestulent manchild:
not an argument.
that aside:
>what has he done or said?
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
i will formate it as follows: 1 means the first line of the two boxes, that is ''plan'', while 1/2 means the second box in a line, the payment:
1/ - one trillion dollar plan to completely rebuild the infrastructure
1/2 - make corporations pay heavy taxes, and plug the loopholes.
it wont work because: the small corporations taxed (relatively) will simply go out of buisness. the larger will move. the loopholes cannot be plugged, and if they could, they have been there for so long that no one included wants it plugged: the included meaning the entirety of the congress and many former presidents and politicans.
2/ - free college
2/2 - tax on wall street
you cant tax wallstreet without major maluses, if at all. even if he could, the colleges would not work due to lack of suitable teachers, heavy dropout, and amount of unproductive people.
continuing
also
>>70182317
not an argument. youre just insulting us, shill.
>>70182125
>what do I gain from this
typical selfish asshole, only thinking about himself. Think about it this way, with a more specialized workforce there is economic growth which we all benefit from. Bernie's plan creates a greater pool of capital to draw from. We all stand to benefit economically and morally from his plan
>>70181018
Okay so you want words? Let's play ball.
Bernie Sanders is particularly in on the college debt question. But let's look at his plans to revise it.
He wants to make College FREE. Key word here. How do you suppose it gets payed for after that?
It comes from a tax rate that hits everyone. I don't know about you, but most of the arguments I've heard so far about how college is so expensive and people shouldn't have to live like hermits to pay for college. People honestly expect that they shouldn't have to tighten their own belts when they are in college. The other arguments lean towards "They do this in Europe! We should too!" when they don't understand that Europe's population is taxed heavier than we are in the USA. most of those people are uneducated about that piece of knowledge. Take for instance: (These tax rates apply to single people, no children on average salary)
Belgium- 42.80%
Germany - 39.90%
Denmark - 38.90%
Hungary- 35%
Austria -34%
etc...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjwt-WpyvvLAhVMwiYKHdJJCFcQFggiMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fmagazine-26327114&usg=AFQjCNEnoxgzTxNAD5cwS6s3Yizxx_iLIA&sig2=DiuyhEeKQfPjHYsBFPCjpw&bvm=bv.118817766,d.eWE
These are countries that have free schooling. Do you think you really want to give up anywhere over 1/5th of your annual earnings to support someone else to go to school? I could understand it for my own child, but not for someone I could give a shit less about to squander their days in college because they're no longer paying for it.
Hell, since I'm on it, personal time.
I'm in College still. I have no debt because I work hard so I can pay for it. Call em selfish, greedy or whatever the fuck else you want, but I'm not paying for someone else.
Things I don't have:
Latest smartphone
Awesome shoes
Nice car
Shit tons of free time
Things I do have:
Roof over my head
Internet connection
Job that I work at between 40 and 50 hours a week.
pt1
>>70182434
That extra tax payment is supposed to be for nationalized health care -- you pay 2800 in taxes instead of 7000 in premiums.
Check out when that shit starts to fall apart. It's right around the 60k line, which is where the middle class, especially in the northeastern US, starts to emerge.
Rich people don't give a fuck because the cost of comfort is constant and set at a low bar comparatively. Poor people don't give a fuck because they pay a small tax and get a huge benefit.
Middle class families get completely fucked by this. My wife and I don't and can't evenhabe kids but if we could, an extra 12k a year in taxes would throw our ability to save for a child out the fucking window.
>>70173888
>You forgot the part where Sanders praises multiple communist dictators and murders. (Castro, Che Guevara, the Sandinistas)
/pol/ didn't turn Bernie into a radical socialist, /pol/ just sees people for what they are with brutal accuracy.
Also fuck off commie pig.
Reminder.
>>70182672
even so, the country as a WHOLE saves money and will experience less debt. /pol/ is so nationalistic you would think they would be behind it
>>70182546
Okay but I can't help the rest of the country if I suddenly lose the ability to pay my fucking mortgage due to the government deciding I need to waste more money paying for your health insurance that you won't use if you're smart enough to take care of yourself, you self-interested cunt.
I'm not being a selfish asshole if I recognize I can do a lot better for the world with more financial security, and paying taxes for something I don't need or use will jeopardize that.
I'm lucky -- I make six figures and can't have kids so I don't have that burden. My parents on the other hand make half my salary and would get even more fucked because, and I don't understand how you have missed this, bread costs the same amount of money whether you are rich or poor. The middle class that works to achieve some small comfort will lose out on everything they work for, all for the sake of dumbasses like you who think that they're entitled to other people's money.
This threads heating up.
>Sanders: 'Yes' I'd apologize for slavery and I'd make reparations by investing in low-income communities
>>70182766
How do you people have jobs that the insurance is not 100% paid by the company. As they say on /vg/ GIT GUD
>>70175355
This. Stanford, Berkeley are never going to let this shit happen. I can't wait till Bernie loses so we can go back to people just not giving a shit like always
>>70183271
Co-ops. Massachusetts state law. Various reasons. It's kinda shit. Truthfully I don't mind paying 2200 per person per year. It's better than 2200 per person per year AND Bernie's bullshit extra 10% of my salary.
>>70182672
pt 2 Lets talk about his plans for taxing the wealthy more and giving more tax breaks to those who have lesser account balances.
>He points to several priorities -- including "a major federal jobs program" and raising taxes on the wealthy -- that he says will rebuild "the disappearing middle class."
>"While we must continue to focus on (reducing) the federal deficit, we must also be aware that there are other deficits in our society that have been causing horrendous pain for the vast majority of the American people,"
Source: http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/25/news/economy/bernie-sanders-middle-class/
Question, are those not his words?
So lets throw some perspective here. He wants to tax the wealthy at a higher rate and the working and middle class less, we can tell that this is a lie because if he does go through with making college free, EVERYONE has to pay for it, because that's what tax money will go to. However, that aside, are you familiar with the bellman's curve? It refers to the willingness of the people to pay the taxes given. Considering the Rich don't exactly pay their full taxes to begin with, they keep it in off-shore accounts so they don't have to, how many of them do you think will go along with it? Even if they did, he's still trying to play a balancing game with keeping America the way it is and trying to get rid of the federal debt. It's really a one way or the other category here, otherwise our nation will pay off its debt (if this thinking could be done) sometime in the year 3080. That's some way off. (Yes, its hyperbole) He only has so much time to work with.
He hasn't really got an amazing idea on how to create jobs for people either.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/creating-jobs-rebuilding-america/
My biggest question is, how will he fund those jobs? If those areas are underfunded currently, where will he pull the money from to fund them? He never gives any answer to this question. He has to pull it from somewhere.
>>70183175
Ya ought to let me finish before you say something like that.
He wants more refugees. End of story. That will be the death of our nation. He's fucking retarded.
>>70182317
3/- social security expanded
3/2-lifting the tax cap on the rich
this is actually the most sensible thing he has said, and if he could get it to work: hallelujah, we have made a minor difference. problem is that he wont be able to. these billionaires are, as the name implies, made of money, and they can, and will, as proven many times before, invest their many money into congress and other such establishments to ensure that the tax reform doesnt go through.
4/- 5,5$ youth program (keep in mind that even the expanded explanation does not offer an explanation: it only says that many blacks go to prison and does not graduate.
4/2- believe it or not, but those blacks are not in there because of ''racism'' but because that they have commited crimes, including but not limited to: rape, murder, violence, theft, assault, disturbance of peace. no other group of people, in any nation, has such a heavy amount of criminals as USA, but this is not because ''muh racism'', but because they simply are criminals. the majority of them are guilty, and it is the vast majority, which interestingly enough, his plan neglects to mention. all this is not considering if it is economically feasible or not.
5/-paid family and medical leave
5/2- paid for by taxes on the average man.
more taxes on the average guy is a bad thing. that aside, the problem with this plan is that when the people are on this paid medical or family leave (pregnacy, major injuries, etc) firms will usually just fire the person and hire someone new: there are far more people looking for jobs than there are jobs, believe it or not. to make this plan effective, he would have to introduce rule disallowing corporations to fire people for certain reasons, which wont get passed, not to mention being completely wrong and stupid.
continuing, although i dont know if the shill is still here.
>Supporting a career politician whose only accomplishment while 30 year in senate is passing a bill to rename post office.
Why dont you vote for late night commercial hosts? They can promise better than the old kike.
>>70183235
Does that man have tits?
>>70183514
Don't bother, man. This guy isn't looking to be convinced.
Anyone making 60k a year or more gets shit on by Sanders' tax plan -- that includes families of 30 and 30 a year, which is poverty wages in the Northeast and West Coast. This guy won't listen to reason or numbers, he'll just call you a selfish asshole and claim victory because apparently caring about what happens to your family instead of caring about his globalist horseshit is selfish.
>>70173888
>all he's trying to do is eliminate college debt
stopped reading there. that's how i KNOW you're an uninformed, uneducated, single issue moron with tunnel vision.
fuck off back to your safe space over at reddit you paste eating retard.
>>70173888
>But this is America where if you want a free education you're a dumbass.
The truth is though this will punish the poor even more. A degree will go from being an advantage to a necessity. Even if tuition is 100% free, you are going to have a chunk of the population who just can not afford to spend the time putting in an extra 4 years of school.
If your response is a cold shoulder and "advice" for the people who will suffer under your plan, you can not really blame anyone else for giving you a cold shoulder because you are suffering under their plan.
>>70173888
Ambitious people aren't struggling in our system. I got 75% scholarship at undergrad and full scholarship for graduate school as a white male. I wouldn't even consider myself special or gifted. I just planned for my education.
>>70183599
>>70182503
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>>70182546
i wont bother continuing. you have gone afk, and you are an obvious shill. i just wonder how deluded you have to be to think that bernie will actually have succes. that aside, for future reference, calling out racism on pol while shilling WILL get you shit on, regardless of whether its justified or not.
>0,05$ has been depositied into your bank account.
>>70183474
pt 2 cont.
Since we know that there is only so much money in this country and printing more devalues it (which we still constantly do) He can't exactly just print more bills an pay those people. Yeah they'd have jobs, and people with jobs tend to commit less crimes, but lets go ahead and say it, "Good luck getting people to hold those jobs down."
You will get some results, but not nearly enough. Everyone in this country is looking forward to a high paying job. They're looking to get the next big break. The most common mentality we see is the ideal "If I have money, I will spend it on alcohol, and if I'm broke in the morning, I'll drink water." The people will take a job until they realize it doesn't go anywhere. Its idealistic, otherwise we wouldn't have as many homeless. Look at California. With the handouts that they give, it's actually nice to be homeless. I've seen homeless people with brand new iPhone 6s that have unlimited calling, texting and data. They go to food kitchens all the time and are given meals. They get tents and sleeping bags and set up in areas and make their communities there. And thats where they stay. In front of the camera, they say they've fallen on hard times, but the truth is that California has the most opportunities through their various agencies to supply these people with temp jobs. They get the best benefits of everything. However, its easier to live like that, having everything handed to you. I used to believe they were good people till I lived in the bay for 2 years travelling around and seeing the quality of life.
This leads into something in the next post.
>>70183812
Never noticed till now.
So glad the magas have so much time on their hands to analyze Sanders' plan to accomplish goals which might actually be of benefit to anyone but the richest, clearly Trump has no such plan, but you swallow lies if you wish.
Why do you even care why I choose to vote for Bernie? There's no convincing argument I've heard to vote for anyone else. There's been much discussion this election of polls and convention strategies, not so much about whether the candidates policies can work, so to me, it seems like we're just electing the guy we like the most (nobody likes Hillary).
The difference to me between Bernie and Trump is that Bernie wants the government to do more to help people to whom you feel superior, and he's gonna ask everyone to kick in to pay for it all, according to their means. Trump 'promises' to do things that will have very little benefit, and will probably make our situation in the world more precarious a la Bush, and by cutting taxes on the wealthy, pretty much accelerates the decomposition of our Commonwealth and the transfer of wealth to the richest among us (none of you slobs).
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de0_1459958675
Socialism is never the answer, the trick that keeps playing fools since the 1800's.
>>70184067
What if you don't want Trump either? What if you don't want anyone, you just want to take your money, buy an apartment building in fucking indonesia or somewhere else where dollars are worth millions of the local currency and live off of exploited renters' cash?
>>70173888
>"I don't want free shit... I just want all my debt paid by other people because I'm to fucking ignorant to make adult decisions about my own finances"
>>70183474
>>70183599
>>70183996
haven't gone. Just been reading all of this. I'm sorry...I feel like an ass. All of my friends are Bernie supporters. Everyone on facebook in my feed is a Sanders supporter. He just promises things that I've always thought we should have. I love my country and the people in it. I want to see everyone do well and I want to see America do well. I see people who are poor and sick. I see America's crumbling infrastructure. I thought Bernie would bring us around. I'll admit...I haven't done my research. This is a bummer. Shitty thing is I got so invested in him and what he's promising. Who do I vote for now? Hillary? I hate her she's a cunt. Maybe I'll vote for Gary Johnson. I don't know any of his policies but at least he's not Trump or Cruz. Goddammit /pol/
>>70184186
This. I kind of want these kids to experience socialism, if it weren't for the potential irrevocable long-term consequences.
>>70183999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJoalJ2EarM
In Baltimore, he openly talks about how the people there don't have many banks. He talks about how because he owns a home he pays less. He talks a great deal of things but he doesn't tell them where to start. The thing is, so many people do walk into those "check cashing" places that they willingly lose half their money to get cash now to buy whatever they want. The more you do so, the more you see those pop up. (Supply/demand) If people had been putting their cash in banks they would be helping themselves somewhat.
He talks about owning a house and how its cheaper in the long run, however he doesn't mention the fact that houses are more expensive than apartments. The average mortgage payments you make are going to be higher than rent in a complex. But once you're done paying, its done then. You own the place. Great thought for afterwards.
Thing is, if people wanted to really own houses, they'd do it. They would find a way. You can't say they wouldn't because in all actuality, you have the money for whatever priorities you have. You will pay for what you feel is more important. In the question of most of the people I've met who are on low income or are homeless, the money goes to alcohol drugs and lotto cards. The people who want to get out of that situation tend to because they go out and get jobs. They get out of that rut and fix themselves because they are willing to find a solution that doesn't hinge on a chance, but on their own effort.
He doesn't account for their own efforts though. He buys into the "Peter Pan" syndrome aspect of it. If they were actually working to change their lives, they would. Humans do it all the time.
Other than that, this video is just fine and the points he makes are good.
Next
>>70184067
>Why do you even care why I choose to vote for Bernie?
Because him winning will be the first step toward genocide. Within weeks of everyone trying to "work together", the mid class will be trying to have the poor killed, the rich will impoverish the middle class, and then the new middle class will have the poor killed.
>>70184447
>>70173888
>starting a career
>starting
Stopped reading right there. Kill yourself.
>>70184447
Take the redpill my friend....
>>70184447
assuming this isnt just another bait:
use your brain. you hate trump because ''buzzfeed and my friends says that he is a bigot!''
look at his plan. look at USA. he can actually pull it off.
Hillary is the epitomy of shilling, Cruz is a liar and can no longer be voted for when the sex scandal truly manifests. Gary would be alright Iguess, but he will never get in the house. So vote for Trump. He won't be a great president, but all the other options will be far worse.
>>70181018
Bernard plans to pay for Healthcare by income tax and waving his hand and saying, Healthcare shall only magically cost this much because I said so. There are only 2 possible ways his plan will work:
#1 Income tax %'s will rise with the cost of healthcare
#2 He will control how much Healthcare is consumed (which he said he wouldn't)
>>70184447
Ey, I'm the guy from >>70182672
>>70183474
>>70184585
Dude, Bandwagons can be fun and all, and I'd like to think Bernie could make a good difference. He says appealing things, Definitely, but from a reality standpoint, it's not feasible at this time.
Also, Hillary is a total cunt. I'm personally only more in favor of Trump but that's only because of his economic policies. They have the best chance so far to bring cash back to the USA.
>>70184759
>>70184889
I just don't think I could ever vote for Trump. Aside from being an ass, he fucked over a lot of small business owners in the 80's. I don't trust him. I detest Cruz. You can just tell that every word out of his mouth is scripted bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owgPCYGxjfE
>>70185065
would you rather vote for a ruthless yet savvy buisness man, who actually wishes the best for USA, or the first woman president, who has leeched off of the establishment for years, and already has paid the delegates, despite having said next to nothing about her plans, due to her not having to, or Cruz, who you already have figured for a liar.
Hate Trump if you will, but he is the best choice for America and the world.
It's not the government's job to deal with student debt. It's the job of the students, who took out said debt. It was their choice, why do they need a bailout? Life involves dealing with the consequences of your actions. Poor choices don't need to get absolved by the nanny state.
>>70173888
feel the bern
Bernie >>>Trump>>>>>>>>Hillary
>>70185065
Trump did screw over lots of businesses. Not only in the 80's either. That's what competitive business is like.
You can't say any other large corporation doesn't do the same thing. Verizon and AT&T have been at each other's throats for years. Disney buys out tons of businesses all the time. It's a fact of life.
And yeah, Trump is a jackass. He's a tool. He definitely has some issues, but he's the best bet currently.
>>70185358
>>70185065
also
Trump may or may not have had dealings with the mob some 30-40 years back, but everyone who had any sort of buisness in certain areas literally had to. I mean Jesus Christ, just look at the Kennedys.
what makes Trump trump, though, is that he has cut off all contacts shortly after. He has gotten to where he is by a healthy amount of ruthlessness, charisma, and his savvyness.
With that said, no, he isn't even close to the ideal president. But he is infinitely better than any of the other candidates. So bite the bullet, my red pilled friend, and vote for Trump: lest your economy fall in shambles while under Bernie, or your nation going bankrupt due to Hillary pocketing for her friends.
>>70185241
>>70185358
Idk...everyone is so against corruption. But the dude is more than likely in bed with the mafia and the CIA owns the mafia. I just don't see anything really changing under Trump. I think his main appeal is that he's self-funding, but I think he's still beholden to those who would not be named. I might as well vote for Johnson. Maybe he'll get enough votes this year that we can finally end the two party system. At least I can contribute to something worthwhile
>>70185693
You think Trump cut contacts? What reason would he have to do that? They're powerful friends
>>70185884
my friend, the mafia once was a powerful friend. they are not anymore. after losing talented leadership, support from the politicians, and most importanly, the goodwill of the neighbourhood, they are no longer a factor (the cartels in mexico still are though, but thats another talk entirely.)
what reason? no amount of money can hide an ongoing relationship with the mob, especially not with Hillary's crack team digging up dirt on Trump and Bernie.
they have not been powerful friends for almost twenty years.
>>70185065
It looks like you're going to have some hard decisions to make, then. I honestly feel a little sorry for you. Its a shitty spot to be in, caught between an ugly truth and a beautiful lie.
>>70173888
>picking a candidate based on selfish wants and not what's best for the nation as a whole
The free colleges in Europe are fucking hard to get into. Almost anyone can get into college in America. If you think making these easy colleges free is a good idea, you're an idiot.
>>70185884
also, above ''reasons'' there are ''facts''. if trump really was in bed with the mob, he wouldnt have had to pull out from, say, las vegas.
if you vote for Johnson, literally nothing will happen. its the same as abstaining.
>Millions of hardworking people in this country are being denied the right to own a home and raise families because millionaires and billionaires are too focused on numbers when they should be focused on helping people. No one should be denied the right to a mortgage because of their credit rating. As President, I will expand access to subprime mortgage loans for hardworking Americans regardless of credit rating. The middle class bailed out Wall Street after bankers collapsed our economy. It's time for Wall Street to bail out the middle class!
What you guys think of my Bernie speech?
>>70175545
>Trump had a rally canceled due to degenerate BLM members. Who is the real cuck?
I'm pretty sure the real cuck is the guy who's rally got hijacked by two black teenage girls
>>70186106
the guy has already swallowed the red pill. and not that i disagree, but ''college'' equals gymnasium, which isnt exactly the same, but is fairly easy to get in to. however, it is for far younger people than their american counterpart, and doesnt mean much. University means the world though, and that is next to impossible to get in.
>>70186222
Sounds accurate, photoshop it next to a faded Bernie face so it looks legit, then spread it all over Facebook, iPolitics, and other social media sites, and watch all his supporters agree
>>70186308
>the guy has already swallowed the red pill.
R-really? /pol/ changed his mind?
>>70186222
see >>70186373
I will join this. We could make this a good raid.
>>70186521
Read the thread.
>>70173888
>FREE
Yes, I read only the first half of that last sentence.
>>70186521
>>70184447
keep in mind, it may still be some weird shill move, and that there are atleast 2 legitimate shills in here.
as hist post explained, he let his feelings run his brain, and his blue friends made him want to vote for Bernie.
now its just to explain to him why Trump is better than Johnson.
>>70184447
You'll wake up soon enough. Though I must warn you it isn't going to be pretty and you can never go back to blissful sleep again.
>>70173888
You're not entitled to anything. College is only possible because of the hard work of professors and organizers and everything that goes into creating the college experience.
You aren't entitled to the fruits of their labor for free, no matter how spoiled you are.
Now go back to being an uninformed cunt like the 15% of your Wisconsin comrades who were too stupid for vote for the correct supreme court judge.
Trump > Sanders >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cruz/Hillary
>>70186053
>>70186065
realistically, you don't think the establishment is running a long con on you guys. Making you want to vote for Trump and then have him be their little lapdog? It happened with Reagan. I can just see Trump picking some GOP fuck ass as his VP like Reagan did with Bush
>>70175708
>trusting a left-wing, anti-free-speech source like VOX
Toppest Kek
>>70186798
i am slowly going back to the thinking that you are a shill.
anyways, of course its possible, but it is unlikely. the ugly truth, however, is that if he is a living con, there will never be another non-fixed election again. they who must not be named have won, showing they have completely control over all candidates.
so take the chance, vote for Trump. if he is a conman, it wont be worse than if Hillary or Cruz were elected. If he isnt, however, he will make America Great Again, and hopefully pull the world up with him.
>>70184447
>who do I vote for?
It's time to climb aboard, anon
>>70173888
I'm feeling it.
>>70186798
Except that the Establishment doesn't want Trump, to the point that they are discussing the possibility of making their nominee somebody that has no votes cast in his name, like Romney or Paul Ryan.
>>70186892
Vox is all that, and still the tax calculator is incredibly harsh on comrade bernard panders.
vox probably wants shillary, although I never read their shit so i dunno
>But this is America where if you want a free education you're a dumbass.
At least you're self-aware, OP.
>>70173888
>I don't just want free shit
>complains about the cost of private college
Wew lad
>>70187028
>>70186798
also this. they have invested a surprising amount of rescources, and are surprisingly willing to compromise to ensure trump does not get elected. its unlikely that trump is a con/shill. if he is, those who must not be named have played against themselves, simply to prove a point to /pol/, which hardly seems possible.
>>70173888
>American Higher Education is highly regarded as the best in the world
>Wanting to INCREASE taxes to pay for other people
>Not researching/going to community college and transferring to save money
>Not opening up a savings fund and putting a set amount in to reduce student loans
I have about 20k in student loans. I payed it off within 5 years.
Sounds like you need money management and common sense, not free shit.
>>70173888
Better dead than red socialist piece of shit
>>70173888
Bernie Sanders has mentioned Canada by name when he speaks about free healthcare. Let's see how Canada does when there isn't Michael Moore's film team there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw
As for free college, if Bernie REALLY wanted kids to learn more, he would be talking about reforming the k-12 program which the president already has dominion over. This means that what he really wants is for everyone to go to college so that they get indoctrinated into leftist thinking, OR that he's retarded. I'll let you decide which.
>>70173888
Fuck off back to kikeland; take your horseshit that you call politics with you. Nobody here wants what you're selling
>>70173888
I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE ONLY SAFE PLACEEE CRAWWWLING IN MY SKIIIN
All I see is crying by an entitled underachiever. I am going to UC in California without an issue because I have been given many scholarships and grants. It is easy to get money for college by using scholarships.
People who are not able to obtain them are lazy and refuse to reach those objectives themselves, such as yourself.
You see people, I want you guys to pay attention here, this is what Bernie supporters does, the drive-by shot in the beginning of the paragraph with incomplete and inaccurate information and the sob story of how horrible a student's life could be.
TLDR:
OP is crying idiot.
>>70173888
i love how leftists tack the word "radical" onto everything
oh did i say love? i meant hate
>>70186798
>Donald trump could be corrupt/lying/bad/etc
Look at Donald Trump's relation with his family and friends. He's extremely loyal. You couldn't dig up at dirt on the guy. Not cheating on his wife nothing. His campaign manager even made a mistake that threatened to drag him down and he still stuck with them.
You can see that his views have changed over the years but what hasn't changed is that he cares about the country. You can find almost ancient interviews where they ask about running for president, etc, where he says he wouldn't like to but he'd do it if he thinks the country needed it.
As we already discussed, trump is so rich that he has no sponsors controlling him, and considering how powerful he already is, there isn't much he could personally gain by running for president.
He's got to be the LEAST likely to betray us out of all the candidates, and even if that's not true, he's definitely not the most likely.
>>70173888
>Yes, I am a Bernie supporter, no I don't "just want free shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnCKupQO2QM
>>70187473
>>70187420
>>70187480
>>70187269
>>70187241
>>70187215
Oi guys ease off, he actually learned from us. OP has seen truth. See post >>70184447
>>70173888
Respect brother.
>>70186566
/pol/ we need to make >>70186222 a fake Bernie quote and spread it across the interwebs. If this thread dies make a new one about this idea. I want to see this happen
>>70173888
Yeah... or you could've went to college, picked a major with a decent job market. Frankly, that's what many of these students aren't doing. There's no reason society should be paying people to study fucking 'womens studies' or one of these bullshit degrees with no job prospects. Sorry, it's immoral to saddle our kids with your bad decision making.
>>70187681
Oh nvm then. Welcome aboard
>>70187160
>>70187028
>>70186989
>>70186943
>>70187605
Dammit. Should I vote Trump? I'm going to have to do it in secret. I'll lose all of my friends if I start openly supporting him. I don't really trust him completely but if it's between him and Hillary, which it probably will be, I guess I'll vote for him. If it's between Trump and Sanders I'll vote for Johnson
>>70188232
it wont be between trump and sanders. hillary have and will completely shut sanders down in the debate, not to mention his own self destructive methods ''no white man '' etc.
should you vote for trump? yes. but regarding your friends, are they really worth keeping if they will defriend you just for supporting a different candidate? if yes, or you need them as friends, then i guess, do it in secret.
>>70175545
>instead of 20k people he speak to millions on national television
good job liberals, you sure showed him! :^)
>>70188232
Firstly, voting for Johnson is the equivalent of throwing your vote away. If you are gonna vote for him, just stay home (coming from a Libertarian).
Trump is nationalist. This means that he is putting his country first. He wants to bring production jobs back home, and he wants to secure our southern boarder from illegal immigration, as illegal immigrants come in, get free health care at the ER, and qualify for all the poor people programs like food stamps, section 8 housing, welfare, etc, without paying a single cent into the programs. Furthermore, they work at below minimum wage, which gives them an unfair advantage over unskilled workers (who literally CAN'T compete; it's illegal for them to work below minimum wage). He also wants to end corporate abuse of H1B visas, where educated workers come over from India, and do jobs that require a college education for very close to minimum wage. If they ask for a raise, they can get fired and deported. They can't search for other jobs, or they get deported. It's not fair to them, and its not fair to the young people who invest money into a degree, and can't afford minimum wage.
If Hillary beats Sanders, Ill vote Tru,mp
Workers of the world unite!
Comrade Bernie Sanders for the proletariat.
Down with the bourgeoisie capitalist system!
>>70173888
DUDE FREE SHIT LMAO>>70173888
Your degree will be as useless as your highschool diploma if it's made free
>>70187039
Vox's top employees are all major Hillary donors.
They're part of the Democratic party establishment.
>>70177701
Get it right, shitbrain.
>YOU'RE FUCKING A WHITE MALE
>>70188232
Look, just so you don't end up on the same issue again, I'd personally suggest you really look up Trump. We aren't saying he isn't a cock, We've already admitted he's a tool, but we are saying that while he may be a coarse individual, he seems to be the closest thing we have to a chance.
Research first. Research will help you understand. Let the people here give you links to pull from. You'll see both sides of the argument. We don't justify here on /pol/. (for the most part. I can't speak for everyone.)
>>70174580
HAVA NAGALA
HAAAAVAA NAGAAAALAAAAA
>>70176238
How true is this meme? The only people I know who couldn't get a job are people who didn't have anything else to show for but their degree.
>>70189088
H1B visas make this fairly accurate in some job markets (like programming), but it is far from universal. Most college graduates wind up voting leftist, however. Very few wind up voting Republican (with notable degree exceptions, like economics majors, who usually wind up leaning libertarian)
>>70188864
it's alright m8. we need to get over it, these faggots don't have ears and just don't understand. it's not worth the energy because they will never learn
>>70188232
>selfless anon pretends to be a Bernie supporter on /pol/ and then acts like all the autists are redpilling him
I can't believe you would do that just to boost team morale. You're the best anon
>>70173888
The only problem with Bernie is that he would like to legalize all 12,000,000 people currently working in the country illegally, thus providing you with more competition as a worker. If that wasn't bad enough, he wants to let these new Americans bring their families here as well, (because of "compassion".) If Bernie was a true champion of the American worker, his immigration policies would match Trumps. Making a surplus of jobs would drive up wages and benefits, as a result of competition among employers. The current system has got us where are now, and Bernie wants to make it worse. Bernie isn't stupid; he's another cheap labor candidate, like all the candidates except for Trump. Wise the fuck up.
>>70189683
Ding ding ding. This perceptive anon actually got it right. MAGA. OP is just some post I saw on facebook. Trump is America's last hope. Love you /pol/. Don't let all the Bernie and Cruz shills get you down, I've noticed them increasing in frequency. Trump is going to win, and with Trump we're going to make America great again.
>>70181753
This makes me like Bernie more. Good to know he is a real socialist behind that social democrat facade
>>70173888
>yeah let's subsidize dumbfuck feminists women's studies degrees for the rest of our lives instead of using the money on entrepreneurship and paying for our own studies and lives yeah let's give it away to a bunch of fucking losers who shouldn't even be in college
Yeah I mad
>>70188828
Facts are part of the establishment.
>>70173888
>I am starting a career in the working class
Then you should be a Trump supporter.
Being in the working class and supporting Bernie would have made sense in a period when the U.S. HAD a working class. Right now you're entering a career in a "field" that has been gutted and sent overseas. Bernie's plans won't fix that.
>All he's trying to do is eliminate college debt.
His platform is a lot wider reaching than that.
And erasing college debt in the manner he suggests will simply devalue your degree even further. His suggestions are quite radical.
Why not something more practical like Australia or the U.K.?
STEM field get essentially free college, and social sciences and arts get government controlled low interest loans that don't need to be paid back until you earn a certain base rate.
You also have to meet academic benchmarks to get their.
>Really? So if I want an affordable education I should have to sacrifice my life, strictly because college tuition in the United States is incredibly high?
Sort of, yes. You should be willing to die for the country that is willing to pay your way through life. I mean, that seems fair.
There are no countries that have FREE college tuition. Someone always pays.
The sheer staggering amount of people in the U.S. who already attend college would make the systems where these "free" colleges are supported collapse. Let alone increasing that amount.
Trumps proposals, if he's serious and if they work, would create working class jobs that would give people other avenues for well paying work, like trade schools.
>>70173888
Raising minimum wage will do the opposite of balance out the cost of living. The price of everything will increase even more, which will make life harder for everyone.
bread lines, rolling blackouts.
>>70189818
I don't get why U.S. socialists don't understand this.
Much to the whining of Lenin, Australia's socialist implemented pic related.
Because they just hate colored people so much? Not really. Racism helped get the ordinary vote to pass it. But the entire purpose was to stop industrialists and land owners from bringing in cheap Asian (mostly Chinese) and Pacific Islander laborers to drive down Australian wages.
Our parties (both of the majors) fought against it for decades, decrying the lack of "growth" restricting migration to European nationalities had caused. WW2 shot them in the foot a bit, since they were able to get a lot of cheap labor from Greece and Italy, but they finally dismantled it on compassionate/anti-racism grounds...and sure enough the almost comically high standard of living enjoyed by Australian workers plummeted. Now even educated professionals struggle to get a foot hold in our inner city housing markets in Melbourne and Sydney, whereas 20 years ago a brick layer could buy or build a 2 bedroom house in the inner city and alongside a part time working wife raise a couple of kids with holidays, cars and a 37 hour work week tossed on top.
>>70191970
And then on top of this you have his already ludicrous tax proposal to levy such social programs, and that's before the fat cats start to bounce because they know how to not get Jewed.
>>70189818
Decade old estimate. Its probably closer to 25 million going on welfare the day the court allows it. Complete welfare state collapse.
GET OFF YOUR ASSES
>>70186545
>>70188631
who is the dude second from the left?
>>70192496
>bounce
lol no.
>"Free" education
>The Fat Cats all of a sudden take a keen interest in high education and watch the bucks roll in from the government coffers
Our education system is only a fraction of what Bernie is suggesting, and corporations rort it to high hell and back, making it our third biggest money earner after mining and banking. Not just directly through the education institutions themselves either (which are rolling in the bank) but also through their student housing and student hire programs.
You also get tens of thousands of Indians and Asians each year looking for citizenship or permanent residency. They come over and drop 50-100k on a degree or certificate in a field that they will never work in (the amount of qualified Indian accountants operating checkout registers is comical) to obtain the education points necessary to get residency. They are literally using the education system as a form of bribery-for-citizenship.
Imagine a world in which you can illegally hop a border, become a citizen after not getting caught for a couple of years and then get a government funded University placement. You'll have Rodriguez's El Paso School Of Economics opening up in a refitted strip mall office organizing busloads of smuggled folks into the country signing contracts of intent to enroll in their "school" where they'll graduate with honors by showing up once, signing a form and learning how to use the calculator function on their phone.
Mr. Rodriguez will build himself a few mansions and get those very same folks to tend his lawns.
Hey guys now that we know OP was baiting, we're gonna do that "fake Bernie quote" raid that an anon suggested earlier in this thread
>>70193256
Get in
Enjoy getting half of every dollar removed if you are working class,75% gone if you earn 8500 per month or more
>>70173888
Bernie predicted the Panama Papers.
He has a better grasp of economics than all the other candidates.
/pol/ is too retarded to see that. He's such a good candidate Muslim Michigan voted for him overwhelmingly.
21% of Amerifats are illiterate, they are ranked #40 in life expectancy, & 3rd world crime/incarceration rates. Americans are too overworked and stupid to see that they are voting against a better system one that Northern Europe, Canada & Australia have all the top countries in the world
>>70193502
Where do you get these retarded figures from?
Canadian working poor pay no tax and get free Healthcare, Middle class pays average tax and get great services free, the top earners pay a max marginal tax rate of just over 50% usually at incomes over $500k/yr.
Yet they get to enjoy the added safety, life expectancy, & social cohesion their taxes earn them. Not to mention a lot of those earners only got to earn that much thanks to government services like affordable education and student loans
Here's my main concerns (still voting Trump tho):
He's a family man and a patriot, but he's definitely using fear mongering and mutual hatred to advance his platform. He also argues like a fucking toddler and it's infuriating to see him repeat the same thing over and over rather than using the charm and wit to take down his GOPposition.
Yeb was right- he can't insult his way to the white house. Hillary will win for sure if he doesn't get new tactics.
Also, I will help build the fucking wall if Mexico doesn't pay for it, and bring jobs back to America rather than China, but, does anyone else get the feeling that TRADE WAR WHEN???
>>70193066
Engels, he was Karls sugar daddy. Since marx was a total bitch and never worked a day in his life he needed to be supported.
>>70194320
They're straight from Bernie's tax plan numb nuts.
>a fucking leaf
>>70194574
Trump outsources labour to Mexico and other countries.
What makes you think he'd be good at anything? He argues like a toddler because he thinks like one.
Murrica can't afford to build the wall. It would be trillions of dollars and walls are easy to climb. All it takes is a ladder. Cubans sail in bathtubs.
>>70193995
He has a better grasp on economics than the businessman? He knows more about work and the economy despite being a career politician? For some reason I doubt it.
>>70188925
Nice flag
>>70175245
Fucking kek
>>70194674
At $250k/yr your overall tax rate under bernie is 62%
Which is high but far fucking off from 75% at 8500/month. You pay 62% at a salary over $20k/month
>>70194750
What business man? The guy who inherited his wealth and would have been more successful if he indexed his inheritance and vacationed all his life rather than worked?
Trump is a business failure. If you said anyone self made or at least that earned more than a passive income would have got him I'd agree with you.
If Bernie is so ignorant of economics and human nature how'd he predict the Panama Papers years ago?
>>70173888
My parents didnt go to college, and paid 55% of their pay, every month in taxes.
I did go to college, but will same as my parents pay 55% (or more) taxes each month.
There is no such thing as free stuff, we just pay it in a more subtle way. In my case, my parents paid for something they never received ...
>>70173888
There are plenty of post-secondary options that are affordable. You don't have to pay $30,000 per year to get an education.
On top of that, the job search is not chance, either. The subjects you study and the connections you make in college can drastically influence the results of your quest for employment. Work hard and smart, and you'll be fine.
>>70173888
His site literally says "free shit", move to yurop if want to leech shit.
http://berniesanders.co/
>>70174380
>then move to another country
you're literally fucking retarded
>>70179493
yeah they're so devalued that the average tuition is 40,000 dollars
>>70173888
Even IF I liked that guy, his supporters have already sealed the deal for me against him. His supports make Trump's look like harmless bunny rabbits in comparison to his feral, zombie like trisomy 21 victim fanbase.
Nice riots in Chicago by the way. Oh and white people don't know what it's like to poor, perpetuation the 78 cents on a dollar wage gap myth that's borne out of faulty use of statistics and most recently saying he's going to give reparations to blacks. That's the problem with this worthless piece of shit, he panders so fucking hard that he's even worth taking seriously.
