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>tax evasion is immoral
>>70165756
Yeah it is. Taxes pay for the society to operate and federal powers exist for a reason.
>>70165848
>my political philosophy education is middle school civics 101 level
>>70165943
Fuck you. If you are possibly using public services you need to pay for that possibility.
I say this as a dispatcher
>>70167025
>you are forced to use %1 of government service, therefore you must pay for 100%
Top fuckin kek
>>70167025
You sound like a mafia protection service seller
>>70167384
>Pay us for protection, if you dont we will fuck you up
>not the mafia
>>70165756
tax evasion is immoral if you're the one writing the laws
>>70167025
>You need to pay for low-quality monopolized services that you may or may not utilize
>It's for your own good!
>>70167798
isnt rothbard that nigger who said parents don't owe their offspring shit and should be able to sell them like cattle
beyond degeneracy
>>70165756
I liked Tom Sowell a lot more before he endorsed Ted Cruz
>>70167368
>any one individual pays for the entire budget of any given department
autistic as fuck you are
>>70167965
<citation needed>
Austrian Economics and Free Market Capitalism will always reign supreme.
>>70165756
it's immoral in countries where the government is operating somewhat efficiently
it's not immoral to evade taxes in countries where the government will misuse and or squander the tax money
>>70167965
That's quite a misrepresentation
He said unwanting parents should be able to sell their kids to wanting parents
He never likened children to livestock
>>70168388
Like the USSA?
>>70167798
Babies for sale
t.Murray Rothbard
My theory isn't based on research
t. Rothbards mentor, pic related
>>70165756
You are only earning that money because the current system allowed you to do so and created the right enviroment.
And keeping a functional society requires money for the state.
>>70168457
better than abortion or abandonment right? or worse an adoption agency who profits?
>>70168354
In the Ethics of Liberty, Rothbard explores issues regarding children's rights in terms of self-ownership and contract.[108] These include support for a woman's right to abortion, condemnation of parents showing aggression towards children, and opposition to the state forcing parents to care for children. He also holds children have the right to run away from parents and seek new guardians as soon as they are able to choose to do so. He asserted that parents have the right to put a child out for adoption or sell the rights to the child in a voluntary contract in what Rothbard suggests will be a "flourishing free market in children". He believes that selling children as consumer goods in accord with market forces, while "superficially monstrous", will benefit "everyone" involved in the market: "the natural parents, the children, and the foster parents purchasing".[109][110][clarification needed]
In Rothbard's view of parenthood, "the parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights."[109] Thus, Rothbard stated that parents should have the legal right to let any infant die by starvation, and should be free to engage in other forms of child neglect. However, according to Rothbard, "the purely free society will have a flourishing free market in children". In a fully libertarian society, he wrote, "the existence of a free baby market will bring such 'neglect' down to a minimum".[109]
holy fuck this is literally maximum jewery and degeneracy
lol fuck da family unit muh free market moop da doop
>>70168530
good goy
>>70168477
Retard. Austrian economics is based on praxeology, that's true. But that isn't to say claims are made without substantiation.
Praxeological claims are supported by historical evidence rather than mathematical models and the scientific method, which is infinitely more appropriate for economics.
Saying it isn't based on research just shows you've never looked at any of the works.
>>70165756
>nigger can't understand white invention
What else is new? Also good that Italians are white or taxes would be a nigger intention
>>70168571
>wikipedia
it is almost like you have never had an original thought
>>70168571
yeah find the actually text and post it... not someone else's interpretation out of context
tax evasion is immoral because most other people pay their taxes which means you're leeching off of them by using public infrastructure, legal framework, etc.
i thought you libertarians didn't like leeches
>>70168812
excellent contribution to the topic at hand
you seem to be an expert on the master kike rothbard, care to educate me a bit?
>>70168558
Nice false dichotomy. All of the above are possible, nobody said anything about banning those options.
>>70168723
What ficki ficki time already over in Germany?
>>70165848
Go fuck yourself sheep.
>>70167669
For some of it it's more like
>You need to pay for low-quality monopolized services that you are required by law to utilize
>>70165756
Because wanting what someone else has is Envy not Greed.
Did you ever read the bible?
>>70168946
literally the same thing as when a nigger walks up to your car and washes the windshield even though you didnt ask for it and then demands payment.
>>70169105
These people unironically defend logic that would justify a man demanding pay from someone who had to cross a sidewalk that was built around them while they slept.
"You used it and benefited from a flatter walking surface, so pay up or else."
>>70169164
i really want my neighbor's wife. she so fine
>>70169255
ever heard of the social contract? go live in the woods swedecuck
>>70168708
He literally says in the quote it's not a historical science.
>>70169509
didnt sign it, didnt want it. k thx bye
>>70169255
Yes, a nigger washing your windshield is the same as hundreds of millions of people paying taxes while you refuse and benefit
>>70169701
Then give back everything you've taken and we're square.
>>70168388
So what country doesn't waste tax money like crazy?
>>70169701
you obviously didn't turn it down since you're here talking to me dummy, go live in the woods and live your anarchist dreams cucko
>>70168818
"It is grotesque to think that the parents can actually own the child’s body as well as physical property; it is advocating slavery and denying the fundamental right of self-ownership to permit such ownership of others, regardless of age. Therefore, the child must always be free to run away; he then becomes a self-owner whenever he chooses to exercise his right to run-away freedom."
"In a purely libertarian society, the young child is not as bereft as might at first appear. For in such a society, every parent would have the right to sell their guardianship rights to others. In short, there would be a free market in babies and other children."
dude 5 year olds totally possess full autonomy and have the faculties to fully participate in the sacred DUDE FREE MARKET as fully informed and fully rational actors and can run away just fine
but at the same time parents can sell ownership of children without the child having any say in their raising, or sale, or anything in between so it would be in the parent's interest to restrict their child's fundamental right of self-ownership if they want to sell their ownership of the child for some dosh in the FREE MARKET
what in the fuck was rothbard smoking
>>70169509
*cough*
>>70168477
>newton was wrong about gravitation because he believed in alchemy
>>70169873
>demanding payment for services i did not request
no thanks bye
>tfw still haven't done taxes
I'm 19 and I don't have a clue what to do to do this and I don't have the 300 bucks i'll probably cost me to get them done
>>70169509
no one takes that shit idea seriously nowadays
literally civics 101 pseudophilosophy
>>70169967
fine then don't use public services and pay back everything you've taken like this anon said >>70169873
>>70169847
The Bible only claims men who are gay should be killed. Lesbians are fine.
>>70169930
i would certainly turn it down if i no longer had to pay taxes (and/or didnt risk being imprisoned for tax evasion)
however, turning it down gives none of those benefits you fucking retard.
is it not greed to own the majority of wealth, and is it not greed to steal someone's wealth? If both are greed can you not conclude that the greed of the majority outweighs the greed of the rich?
>>70170146
Dude, turbotax is free assuming you just have a basic W-2 to worry about. Did you even make enough money to have to file?
>>70170064
Are you leaving the country?
>>70170146
just roll with me real quick. you are a god damn idiot. you dont have to pay a hebe a fucking cent you jamoke. torrent the 2015 turbo tax and enter in your information, faggot.
ill assume you can file a 1040ez, since you're a nimrod who probably doesnt have any other investments or liabilities to list. download the god damn software and file your taxes in ~1-1.5hrs.
ill bet you will fuck up the software installation
>>70170252
appeal to majority
>>70169873
>>70170283
I walk up to you and shine your shoes, and follow up with "you owe me for my services - pay up".
Fucking BRILLIANT* logic you brainless niggers.
>>70169578
I guess I'll just ignore the works of all Austrian economists in favor of that single out-of-context quote
Have you ever actually read an Austrian work? Or are you just going by that single image?
>>70170490
fine don't pay us back just stop using public services like public roads and police officers, go live in the woods and survive like a real man without any oppressive government to hinder your freedom by building sidewalks
>>70165756
Not if your American. It's your duty to avoid high taxes as an American. That was one of the major things that set off the revolution. They kept trying to tax us without approval.
Anything over 20% is fucking retarded if we are not being invaded by Russia at the moment.
>>70170490
You see my dear tripfag the beauty of the system lies in the fact that you can leave if you don't like it. Just pack your shit and go to amazonian jungle and you can be free of those pesky people wanting to take away your shekels.
>>70170693
I build a sidewalk around your house and tell you "if you don't want to pay for the sidewalk, don't use it".
Fucking.
*B r i l l i a n t*.
>>70170693
They're literally compulsory you asshat
>>70170781
I dump all my garbage on your lawn. When you complain I tell you "if you don't like it you can just leave".
A b s o l u t e l y
*B R I L L I A N T*
>>70170891
Oh, you are just retarded. I'm sorry.
>>70170809
>>70170845
you can leave anytime and go live in the wilderness or on a boat in international waters or somalia
>>70170964
>tell someone if they don't like something they can just leave
>say the same thing - if you don't like x you can just leave
>"lol ur retarded"
>>70170590
This is true, but taxes are needed. The problem with current socialism is that people are being provided real money instead of health care or food that helps them become productive. Give 100 bucks to a homeless guy and he will waste it on alcohol. Give him food and health and he will work because he wont get his liquor any other way .
>>70165756
Derivatives. Quadrillions in debt worldwide. That is thousands of trillions. Socialists did this. That uncle tom can blow me
>>70165848
>Taxes pay for the society to operate
That's not moral justification to take (read: steal) the money that I, and I alone, have worked for. Find another way to pay for society.
>>70171094
If you don't like me objecting to you being an insufferable faggot cunt, you can just leave too. Ja ne, have fun somewhere else~
>>70171184
This!!!!
>>70170809
You sound like me at 18 years old.
I'm guilty of tax evasion, and food stamp fraud.
Never been caught, because I'm careful about the income I don't report, and because they apparently don't check to see if you're lying about your income.
![12961722_1113914788631595_7866987739760420987_n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zDuRioV.jpg "12961722 1113914788631595 7866987739760420987 n[1]")
kek you fucking cockroaches panicking about your taxes, there's like two threads up of everyone complaining about them.
Quit waiting until April to do your taxes, and then bitching about them, I already did mine last year.
>>70171254
If that's supposed to be a diss, you'd best explain what's fallacious about the logic being employed fampai~
>>70167368
Fuck roads, public transport, police, social security, the military, and the postal service am I right?
Yea I am, Anarchy is the future brother.
>>70170891
And what part of that is relevant to the topic of taxes?
>>70165756
>ugly jewess ayn bland
>social security is a disease
>gimme my social security
>>70171405
He's telling me "if I don't like x, I can just leave".
So I'm saying the same thing in a hypothetical to illustrate how much of a non-response that is by saying "if you don't like x, you can just leave", where x is another state of affairs. Please keep up.
>>70171228
resorting to insults yep typical libertarian
i have another question for you
if i'm your next door neighbor and im upstream from a river that runs through both of our properties
is it ok for me to pour all my shit in the river so your portion of the river turns into a river of shit?
>>70171094
If everyone who identified problems with the system went back to the stone age, we wouldn't get very far as a civilization
>>70171620
No, that's a negative externality. People have disputes over negative externalities constantly.
>>70170809
I agree with you but why are you being a tripfag?
>>70170490
Not how taxes work, dufus.
Let's say everyone's shoes are shined daily by you, and everyone pays you except one moron who complains about being made to pay for shoe shining. That's your argument.
>>70171347
I'm stating that your views will evolve when you begin to face actual issues and problems in life. Libertarianism is seriously degenerate, I know it seems like the proper route for governance of White Americans, but it's just the Opposite end of the spectrum from the relentless welfare and victimization state that the SJW's inhabit. You are an anarchist, you just dress better, and complain more like a bitch that the world is retarded for not following your specific brand of economic conservatism.
t. Ron Paul Voter 2008, 2012
>>70171620
water law says "no" you fucking cannot. you infringe on other water rights by doing so.
>>70165848
>society
Define "society".
>>70171624
as a born again libertarian free market capitalist all i can say is that not wanting to live in the stone age is oppressive and tyrannical to the people who do want to live in the stone age
>>70171184
Reasonable
>>70171788
So I can pick up conversations with people in other threads.
>>70171821
You're saying the person, whose shoes were shined even though he *NEVER* asked for it, and who I'm *DEMANDING* payment from *BY THREAT OF FORCE*, is a moron? Are you memeing?
>>70171886
but laws are tyrannical, they make you pay taxes BY GUNPOINT so those laws can be enforced BY GUNPOINT
>>70171700
using the oppressive legal system that they steal money to fund?
>>70172030
fine
>>70171845
My father was murdered on the streets by a thug, I've lived in abject poverty and among druggies and homeless people, and I've almost died at least twelve times in my life. Tell me again how I need to "face actual problems" you autist.
>>70172030
If you didn't want your shoes shined, perhaps you shouldn't have moved to a neighborhood where everyone gets a shoe shining?
You could live anywhere right now, but you SPECIFICALLY CHOSE a place with income tax.
Literally, the only people who could possibly complain are people who have lived in the same place they were born for their entire life and have never moved.
You chose your house/apartment/whatever.
>>70172108
You're assuming government courts... why?
>>70171886
>water law says "no" you fucking cannot.
Bird law say "yes" you can!
>>70172234
If you didn't want garbage to be dumped on your lawn, perhaps you shouldn't have been born and lived next to me? If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
What brilliant "logic".
>>70172030
Yes, you are a moron because you still benefit from the service provided by that payment and the majority dictated that suck a service should be paid for. Even if you didnt have shoes you'd be expected to pay for the other services provided to you and everyone around you even if you didn't agree or use said services because that is the law that the majority chooses to follow.
>>70172228
saving this graphic. Thanks.
>>70172228
>My father was murdered on the streets by a thug, I've lived in abject poverty and among druggies and homeless people, and I've almost died at least twelve times in my life. Tell me again how I need to "face actual problems" you autist.
I didn't realize you were a nigger. My apologies, my melanin enriched friend!
>>70172281
so what, a corporation will ask me pretty please to give you a cash settlement for pouring shit into the river and i can say "no, lol"
>>70172297
lol, i like that bit. but id like to think you guys know about commons laws, of which includes water. water law, yeah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_resources_law
>>70171254
>Libertarian Spiderman.png
That is absolutely hilarious. I'm a Libertarian and I know you're trying to trigger me but I seriously love that, saved, thanks!
>>70171821
>Let's say everyone's shoes are shined daily by you, and everyone pays you except one moron who complains about being made to pay for shoe shining.
I don't want my shoes shined, thank you. That's our argument.
The public services stuff has some corner cases and most people people are perfectly willing to accept that argument when they feel it really is being used legitimately. But it's not legitimate in one sense when the Constitution doesn't actually authorize it, and it's not legit in another sense if it's wasteful and unecessary, and if you remove both of those our taxes would drop back to a reasonable level which would allow the corner cases to be dealt with.
>>70172234
>If you didn't want your shoes shined, perhaps you shouldn't have moved to a neighborhood where everyone gets a shoe shining?
But I didn't move anon. I was born here. My family (parts of it at least) have been here since the very first humans came. Why on earth should I have to leave just because I don't want to pay you to shine my non-shiny shoes?
>>70172397
So I punch everyone in the face, giving them a black-eye that is fashionable in the region. Most people decide that helps them out and pay me for it. I get to you, and you scream "no don't hit me" like some crazy moron, but I hit you anyway. I demand the payment I deserve and that everyone else thinks I deserve for giving you that fashionable black-eye, but you, being a fucking moron, refuse to pay it.
You are a *GOD* amongst logicians.
>>70171935
niggers
>>70172432
I was a poor kid, a poor college student, and my father was incredibly unlucky since he lived in a rural town that hadn't had a murder since 1956, and just so happened to be walking back home from the bar when he met with a 4-time felon living in government housing who was out on parole.
But yeah - you can pretend other people are naive or inexperienced all you fuckin' want senpai. Hope it does you good.
>>70172581
>That is absolutely hilarious. I'm a Libertarian and I know you're trying to trigger me but I seriously love that, saved, thanks!
It's a great photo. I used to be a Libertarian, now I'm a cringey fascist, but I'm sure I will evolve from that point of view as well. Good luck to you, and remember....
We don't need roads where we are going!
>>70172463
Anyone can resolve disputes. You can forgive. You can negotiate. You can fight. And there are literally an infinite number of ways you can go about any of those options.
>>70173067
nah ill just keep pouring shit in the river and there is nothing you can do about it that doesn't violate the non-agression principle
>>70171938`
No one is saying that people can't if they want to
Your discourse is really breaking down. You should take a break.
>>70165756
Nobody wants to take anybody's money you bunch of libertarian cucks.
Everyone just has to chip in to pay for services and social well being. You can't just 'opt out' of that and then continue using everything. Even if taxes were voluntary anybody who isn't a retarded fucking leech would realize this and contribute.
>>70173228
It does violate NAP. It's an attack on another person's property, which is an attack on them by NAP.
>>70172605
The reason you're a moron, for one, is because you don't understand that the goverment isn't just casually walking up to you and offering a service and demanding payment, the government itself with all of its infrastructures and services is what you and everyone else are paying for. Secondly, your arguments are childish and unrealistic and don't apply in the real world. If you punch me or dump shit on my lawn you will be arrested and my tax dollars will be put to good use
>>70173357
no, it's not an attack on another person's property, you are simply using your property how you see fit
>>70173429
Is everyone else seeing this guy? Are you reading what he's writing?
>>70172886
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_23451735/man-shot-and-killed-north-oakland-after-car
I feel for you, it's not fair that the bad victimize the decent. Niggers killed my good friend on his 23nd birthday. Just because you have had a terrible and unfair loss in your life does not mean your political views are valid. I'm not providing a alternate solution, so feel free to disregard this, but in my life I have seen the flaws and shortcomings of American Libertarianism. Just saying. I have only voted for Ron Paul and I have defended the Libertarian outlook countless times but for me, the answers lie elsewere. Sorry about your pops, Hope they gassed the trash the took him from you.
>>70171184
You make a good point. One of the main reasons we have a huge population of crazy wandering hobos in my country is because starting in the 50s we dismantled our public mental institution system. Public mental health for the poor is actually one of the rare services the government is proven to provide more effectively than the private sector, since the private sector lacks sufficient incentive.
>>70167522
But im not
>>70173493
... And thereby destroying another person's property
You could see pulling the trigger of a gun as "fit use" but you still have to deal with the ramifications if it harms someone else
You're really reaching here
>>70173493
NAP is a negative principle - don't commit aggression. You're committing an aggressive act by willfully fucking up people's property. That's literally part of NAP.
Just ask yourself: What would Hitler think of tax evasion?
>>70168388
Every government will misuse and or squander the tax money
>>70173594
>Just because you have had a terrible and unfair loss in your life does not mean your political views are valid
No shit, which is why saying things like
>I'm stating that your views will evolve when you begin to face actual issues and problems in life
as you did in >>70171845 is fucking stupid. My background is irrelevant to the ideas at play.
>>70173594
The guy got 22 years, but he's causing trouble in the system by constantly filing charges against the prison staff so he'll probably be out much sooner.
>>70173636
i got off track from the point, the point isn't what's an attack and what is not, the whole point is who's going to enforce me not pouring shit into your river
what if i have a big family with lots of guns and you live alone, what the fuck are you going to do about me pouring shit in the river?
>>70165756
As a finance student, capital gains tax bother the crap out of me.
An individual does weeks of research into dozens of companies by looking at their industries and financial statements. Then he uses the money he earned from his job that has already been taxed to buy shares of stock. Now he can't be sure that he will make money off that stock, he is making an educated guess. If he's wrong, he suffers all of the losses involved thus accepting all of the risk. But if he's right and he makes money, the government demands 20% of the profit. Wanting returns w/o assuming any risk makes markets less efficient which hinders the entire economy and those involved.
All because Shaniqua can't stop having kids she can't afford with fathers she'll never see again
>>70168530
>You are only picking cotton because the massa allowed you to do so
top fucking kek
>>70173526
You're the moron who equates taxes with a stranger walking up to you and shining your shoes then demanding payment.
>>70167522
fyucking this so much. how are they going to jail people for tax evasion and tell everyone to do their part and sacrifice for our homes when the people telling us to do this are hoarding their billions in off shore companies? meanwhile everyones economy is inthe shitter and these guys are just setting themselves up to get away scott free while everyone else suffers. fuck these shills defending them .
>>70165756
>Private property is bad
>>70174080
Since you explicitly justify taxes as being legitimate because the people who take them happen to do things that benefit others ala >>70172397, it's actually you who does that (rightly though completely unintentionally) yourself.
>>70168946
>If niggers break into your office and beat evrebody, its immoral for you to hide
>>70173778
>"Hitler's actual tax records survive and suggest that he was a 'cash-in-hand' businessman and a serial tax evader. He owed the German taxman a small fortune when he became supreme leader in 1933," one of the documentary makers tells the Daily Mail. The unpaid taxes added to a secret fortune that Hitler's Fortune author Chris Whetton, a contributor to the documentary, believes added up to more than a billion Reichsmarks, or more than $6 billion in today's money, at its apex. Hitler "felt paying taxes was beneath him," says Whetton, who believes Hitler's billions could still be stashed in secret accounts. (It's not the only claim of secret Nazi riches.)
>6 billion in today's money
>>70173855
>My background is irrelevant to the ideas at play.
Libertarianism is about as useful as a fingerbox in the real world. Its' a beautiful philosophy, but it will never happen in the United States in your lifetime.
>>70174034
You think the government is the only one willing to protect people for payment?
Why should the government have a monopoly on arbitration? What makes them inherently better at resolution than private outlets?
>>70174464
I'm not a pragmatist - I advocate libertarian principles because they're moral, not because I think other people are going to abandon being immoral selfish cunts.
>>70165848
> federal powers exist for a reason.
Yeah, and the reason is to empty your pockets
>>70174467
what gives private outlets the right to arbitrate to me whether or not i pour shit in the river
>>70174705
If you're violating the NAP by destroying my property I have the right to defend my property by any means necessary.
>>70174586
Fair enough. Fight the good fight.
When my brownshirts are sweeping the country of all degeneracy I'll be sure to leave the libertarians alone.
>>70174889
what if i hire a bunch of mercenaries and kill you for trespassing
>>70165756
How is it greed to ask for support in supplying the basic necessities and rights of life, like education, healthcare, food, housing, etc, especially when the state is so generous with the elite. What a load of horseshit to equate the "greed" of basic survival as the same greed thats destroying the globe.
Tax evasion is a small piece of a much larger problem, but it's good that the left and the right typically agree on it. By that I mean the public of course, not the elite masters. Of course they wouldn't want it to change: you pay taxes with your 50k salary, not them with their billions.
You don't want to be greedy now would you!?
Thomas Sowell was an uncle Tom hack of an "intellectual". He said the bullshit his master's wanted him to say and he made a decent career out of it.
>>70174705
What gives government outlets the right to do so? muh elections?
Tax evasion is a crime when you are also receiving services from people who are taxed. Not wanting to be taxed is fine, you might even be able to do it more efficiently, but you have to set up a system where you pay your own costs. Otherwise, you get the Free Rider problem and outcome pretty easily and pretty quickly.
Alternatively, you also have to own up to the fact that you just don't care about charity (or believe you can more efficiently be charitable on your own).
>>70175009
What if Jamal rapes your wife? You can list off any set of circumstances - if they're possible they're *always* possible. What if the government steals your shit? Oh it already does.
>>70174411
My example doesn't equate the two, it corrects your misguided equating of the subjects using the same hypothetical premise.
But nice try dodging the argument
>>70175072
You're ignoring the essential part of taxation that makes it different from charity. Taxation is non-consensual.
If a citizen tried implementing taxation in exactly the same manner as your government does, everyone would easily identify it as theft.
>>70175009
And effectively alienate yourself from the rest of the community? That would be pretty stupid.
>>70175080
actually it's the fact that they have more guns than you
>>70169873
give me back the 13 mandatory years I was forced to spend in school
>>70175274
The thing is they're logically equivalent, dribbling-moron-kun~
>>70175009
What If I form a group of men and consolidate power through a series of tracts and proclimations, form a fiat currency and form a body of armed men to be paid with that fiat currency and then invade your land and kill your mercenaries and hold you accountable for part of the expense's of my groups effort to subjugate you.
>>70175271
the point is that might makes right dummkopf, the biggest, baddest guy on the block gets to do whatever he wants and you get a river of shit
>>70175300
I'm not disagreeing with that.
>Taxation is non-consensual.
Yes, it's a result of the rule of law.
Who controls the law?
>>70173493
A common straw man argument.
Actually libertarianism means much stronger protection for the environment. Common law would allow me to sue and argue my specific case that you had damaged my property, and get a judgement, even a lien against your property.
This was inhibiting the growth of pollution-intensive industry, so the statutory regulatory approach was imported, and the EPA created, specifically to create standards of 'acceptable' pollution and prevent the victims of pollution from using their common law right to redress.
>>70173778
Hitler was socialism scum; his only redeeming quality was nationalism and he even fucked that up by ushering in an era of unprecedented European moral self-flagellation and late-stage decadence. He gets too high praise on this board.
Also, taxation is de facto theft. The only acceptable framework by which you can view taxation is "What amount of theft ought we accept?"
The only questions after that can be 1) What do we accept, under rigorous, scrupulous definitions, as promoting the public well being/need?, and 2) Is the theft serving its intended purpose with competency? If not, rescind all provisions pertaining to those taxes.
The aforementioned must be considered with this maxim in mind: Theft ought not be used for "positive rights"; i.e. welfare.
>>70175472
yep that sounds like exactly what would happen about 10 minutes into an ultralibertarian society
>>70175557
So God wins then. Have fun come judgment day~
>>70172228
>lived in abject poverty and among druggies and homeless people,
I think you did not read his post "...proper route for governance of White Americans..."
>>70175638
BUT THOSE THINGS ARE FUNDED BY TAXES WHICH ARE STOLEN FROM YOU BY THE GOVERNMENT
>>70175246
> take $5 from my each of my friends every day without their consent
> pocket half the money for myself, redistribute it unevenly among my friends
> one friend decides to start avoiding me
> OH MY GOD I CANT BELIEVE YOU ARE SO GREEDY
>>70175798
But they were not always, and they don't have to be.
>>70168708
no but, you miss the point, they fundamentally are not supported by historic evidence and it is YOU who have not read the works
>>70175735
I think you didn't read the rest of shit.
I'm white.
Not quite as white as Argentina though~
>>70175617
The point is if a citizen tried implementing taxation he would be branded a thief. When your government does it its somehow a social necessity.
You're inventing an exception to the rules without any justification.
>>70168154
Same, I can't look at him the same way anymore. Also happened to some conservative bloggers I highly respected, they became #CruzMissiles and I thought less of them but still respected them.
>>70175702
not an argument
i would rather the government be the guys who build roads than the local warlord desu
>>70176002
What exception is that?
>>70175639
>socialism scum
Yeah, because small, monocultured, Northern European states have had terrible luck with Socialism, right bud?
Have you looked at German standards of living between 1919-1933? Socialism sure seemed to fuck up Germany.
>>70175839
If he avoids you, then he isn't benefitting from any of the things you're using the money for and he's out of the system. That's perfectly acceptable.
A better analogy would be if all of my friends decided to start a fund where we each contributed $5 a week, but the guy in charge of managing it was fucking retarded. One friend who hates the way it's being managed skips out every time we collect the money, but still hangs out and uses the poorly managed friend-trust anyway to have fun.
That's why people are mad about tax evasion.
This is a simple free rider issue. Obviously, if you want to talk about the fact that you can't leave the system it becomes more complicated. But that's not what a discussion of Tax Evasion is about.
I don't think anyone would have any problem with a guy who doesn't pay taxes but also does not benefit in any way from them. You might say it's inefficient, because some things actually are more efficient (or at least, data suggests they are) when socialized within a large enough group that 'plays' the economic game fairly.
>>70176233
Not an argument - I wouldn't~
>>70165756
>O-OY VEY TAX EVASION ISNT IMMORAL PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE PANAMA PAPERS DEY DINDU NUFFIN
>>70171219
i and I alone. Right you are the only one that works and NOBODY, particularly not the safe, secure society in which you went to school etc, helped you with that, so you don't owe shit to nobody right?
Spot the spoiled child. Its this guy
>>70176448
The act of tax evasion is good and I support anyone avoiding taxes~
>>70176456
So the mafia moves into your neighborhood, kills everyone who dissents, and ends up with a populace it extorts made mostly of spineless shits like you. They recruit from you, occasionally use the money they extort from you in a way that benefits you - they open up a shooting range or pay Tony to pave a road. And they tell you they protect you from rival gangs. As long as you remain the spineless sheep you've always been, you remain relatively "safe".
And if you ever dared to object? "LMAO SPOILED CHILD LOOK WHAT THE MAFIA DOES FOR YOU".
Fucking. *HILARIOUS*.
>>70176604
I will happily pay the road pirate's tarrifs on my right to the freedom of the application of speed as long as they keep killing Dindu's and keep homeless people off the streets.
>>70176932
how can you shitpost on 4chan when you have to spend your time defending yourself from all the mafias that will certainly form in a stateless society
>>70177017
I will happily not pay the road pirate's tariffs~
>>70177119
You can believe that all you want - better than the omnipresent mafia that people think *isn't* a mafia that's around now~
At least they're honest, right?
>>70176932
How do you begin to dismantle the mechanisms of Governance? What is the Next step? Will you be able to convince at least 151 million people to abandon the status quo when there is beer in the fridge and meme's on the computer? How do you move Libertarianism from an autistic thought exercise into actual political momentum. I will help in any capacity I can. What's the next move?
>>70177361
I don't comply and encourage other people not to comply.
>>70177295
so theft and brutality is ok, but as long as people are honest about it?
>>70177441
You think so - you believe might = right
>>70177480
might does objectively equal right
>>70174077
How is that a fair comparison?
>>70177158
>opting out of cool government projects like this
>>70177576
So you've got no problem with Jamal raping you either. Might = right~
>>70177430
How do you begin?
>I don't comply
There you have it. Libertarianism.
You are a faggot, I hope people stop responding to you.
>>70177843
Just because you're too spineless to do something moral doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, nigger-cheeks~
>>70168660
The first thing I would do in an anarchy is hire thugs to murder all the anarchists. Lucky for me, murder would be legal because it would be anarchy.
Once I murdered all the anarchists, I'd set up a police force, and enforce my will upon the helpless fools who don't have a police force themselves because the anarchists convinced them that paying taxes was bad.
Now I'm a dictator, and it was so much easier than taking over a capitalist nation. Good little goyims.
>>70176315
European, milquetoast brand socialism can only exist by virtue of oil reserve money and the U.S.' footing the bill for their defense spending.
They did not account for defense, nor the happiness of their citizens, nor the moral relativism intrinsic to socialist policies, and by extension, the subsequent mass importation of low IQ individuals who've been inculcated with a parasitizing, pernicious ideology. Their socialism merely hinges on the back of capitalism and capitalist states.
Indeed flawed happiness surveys and the highest rate of antidepressant usage around the globe would have you believe that Scandinavia is a utopian ideal. In fact, it is not. European nations are slashing taxes left and right, and right-wing governments are gaining increased support. When Sweden realized their generous socialist paradise was unsustainable, they went on a privatization spree and cut government spending from 67 percent of GDP to less than half.
But Hans, if you like milquetoast socialism so much, don't bother arguing with me! Just move there and live out your dream of Xbox as a human right and 24 hour work weeks! I think you'll find that socialism has a way of repressing the spirit and drive of the individual; indeed I would rather be a poor man with a little less food and a lot more opportunity than a poor man with a full stomach placated by the state under the laughably grandiose, delusional idea that I'm truly happy.
Indeed the Nietzschean perspective of suffering as living applies all too well here. With socialism you rot.
>>70165756
Yep.
>>70178015
>moral
And yet the world deemed it right to have your father killed. How is that morality working for you?
>>70178194
The world deemed it wrong - he'll be judged for it. I'm sittin' pretty.
>>70177695
you're completely mischaracterizing the idea that might = right, it can also be phrased as "the victors live to write the history"
dank strawman tho bud
>>70170891
Actually, since he isn't a faggot anarchists, he has a police force at his disposal, so he can just call the police and they will use physical or economic force to make you clean up the mess that you made.... what are you going to do to stop them? You have nothing, no society, no social services because you refused to pay for them... he wins. Game over.
>>70178135
Fuck Europe let's attack. They're so weak, all we need to do is split it with Russia and they'd roll over and take it up the ass.
>>70178135
>Dual US Norwegian Citizenship
I could, but I want to keep my guns
Forget modern nordic socialism, you called Hitler
>Socialism Scum
Please account for Germany's unprecedented economic rise under the Socialist policies of our dear uncle Adolph. Can you?
>>70165756
It's not immoral, but you passively accepted a loan by using public resources. Ignorance doesn't free you of having to repay it anymore than stumbling on a farm and eating the crops means you should expect to plea to the farmer that you don't owe him for the food you ate.
This is basic fundamentals of civilization and if you don't cooperate, you are not a part of civil society and then you have no rights in it anyway
>>70172031
All law is options backed by force. when will the world recognize the state is the monopoly of violence and just deport muslims?
>>70178346
Jamal raping you must be right; he managed it. Unless you have some objective standard that makes his lust for and ability to take your boipussy wrong, you've got nothing to complain about. Pucker up, whiteboi.
>>70178396
I kill the police and continue dumping garbage - and now police corpses - on his lawn. Good plan.
>>70178278
>he'll be judged for it
Will he? How do you know?
Who will act as judge?
Is judgement even a thing in Libertarian Heaven?
>>70174048
>If he's wrong, he suffers all of the losses involved thus accepting all of the risk.
Wrong faggot, learn to invest. When you take a loss on investments you get to write that shit off.
I'm alright with a bit of tax evasion in protest to the government being fiscally irresponsible.
>>70167368
It is implausible and a waste to attempt to track use. You likely receive more than you pay when you consider that you do not actively have to fear outsiders killing you everytime you leave home
The reality is; you do not have to accept the social contract, but all tax evaders are too much of a pussy to accept the consequences of breaking it
>>70178585
i dont think i can say it another way that will make you stop being such a retard so you're just going to lower discussion to "u like getting raped by niggers lol"
>>70178741
God will judge him - I'm not worried about it. I'm a Christian before I'm anything else senpai~
>>70177361
de-regulation of the economy. slowly lower taxes. stop giving out so much welfare.
>>70176002
>The point is if a citizen tried implementing taxation he would be branded a thief.
Oh really, so I manage condominium associations, and we have an annual meeting to determine if we need to raise (or hopefully not, lower) the budget. The people vote, and if needed we raise the budget (and my paycheck for managing it for them).
This is exactly what taxes are, and I'm a citizen, who provides people with services that they get to vote on and no one calls it theft.
You're a faggot who clearly never took the time to think this through.
>>70178977
>I'm a Christian before I'm anything else senpai~
Enjoy your eternal reward anon.
>>70178939
You're almost assuredly irreligious, which means you're necessarily a relativist, which means NIGGER COCK might as well be your morality, since Abdul and Jaffar's irreverence toward your personal space can't be judged as either right or wrong, only "their culture".
>>70179138
I will!
>>70178532
The economy of Germany recovered from the great depression as did the global economy. This has little to do with socialist policy. Besides, the Nazi party came to power in '33, not '19.
He relied on bank privatization and government spending masquerading as private enterprise in the economy, which put Germany in major debt. Also, he praised socialism to the masses but, behind closed doors, made privatization the ideal.
I repeat, Hitler was -- is -- socialism scum.
>>70179166
>You're almost assuredly irreligious,
Judge not, lest ye be judged anon!
>>70171372
No, we'll have all those, they'll just be run by privately owned businesses.
Zero-reason why the government industry has to be employee-managed. Privatization is coming and you literally can do nothing about it.
>>70179208
>being trapped in a hegelian dialectic
>>70179280
Almost is a qualification fampai~
>>70165756
Taxation is an old school mafia shakedown. Anybody that denies that is just denying the truth. We should tax the least amount of money possible, keep the government small as possible. That means enough taxes to maintain roads, the police, and the military.
Social security, welfare benefits, "entitlement" programs need to go. Poor people can live off charities from churches. They just need to be ready when people judge them when they have children out of wedlock.
>>70167515
>>70167384
Yes that is the reality of the world we live in. There has been progress and you now have a say in how the mafia operates as opposed to be subjected to any whim of the dominant power as our ancestors lived.
You can deny the reality of power structures as long as you want, but you're living in a world that structurally creates them and this one isn't terrible. You can improve the situation or you can cry like a little bitch that reality is unfair
>>70165756
Ideally people wouldn't be in a position of evade.
Buying local and non-corporate would resolve this
> But muh globalization is good
> But where do all of the people we just imported work?
> But how do we cater for a population bigger than what we can produce?
>>70178669
>K, now swat shows up, they kill you, and I sue whatever estate you had for your belongings. Now your family is sad and angry with you, your legacy is infamy, and you're dead. I'm alive, enjoying the things you used to enjoy. Thanks for playing. Maybe you should have just left to the Amazon when you had the chance... oh wait, you didn't, because you don't want to live somewhere with higher degrees of anarchy because those places all suck.
>>70179368
Muh ROOOOOOOOOOOOADS
>>70179368
>Poor people can live off charities from churches
Not just nipping the problem in the bud.
>>70165756
You can't expect me to believe a nigger said that
>>70179514
I kill the swat. Add swat corpses to the list of what I'm now dumping on your lawn~
>>70178135
>Socialists take anti-despressants that's why they rank so high UNLIKE THE US
kek
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-rise-of-all-purpose-antidepressants/
>>70171094
can't do the former legally
>>70179538
What are property rights?
Okay then, let's have no roads or bridges that make it possible for you to get to work. Let's have no public schools so the majority of American children become skill-less criminals that have to thieve their survival or die trying, putting tons of Americans at risk. They could at least spend their time at the park if there's no school, oh, but no, those are publicly funded too. Everybody likes parks, so it'll sure suck when those are closed down. Let's cut all social programs that keep our society running relatively smoothly in exchange for massive poverty, chaos, disease and death.
This is not all worth keeping a little extra money on your paycheck.
>>70165756
Tax evasion is the last great American pastime.
It is our duty to give to those leech cocksuckers as little as possible, and preferably nothing at all.
>>70179782
Do you know?
>>70179753
The top 5 users of anti depressents are all extreme northern nations that experience shortened, dark days were the sun fails to rise effectively, causing Season Affective Disorder, and Australia. How else were the Aussie's going to deal with being trapped on an Island of nonstop Banter and poisonous animals of all shapes.
>>70167368
you sound like the kind of faggot who doesnt buy health insurance but gets pissed when they break a leg fighting in a gay bar
>>70169255
>Newton was wrong about chemistry because he believed in alchemy
If you start from a false axiom and derive conclusions from it, it is approriate to question any claim which is derivative of it. People who think otherwise never progress in knowledge, like the pythagoreans
>>70165848
>muh social contract
>muh implicit consent
>muh if you don't like it move to Somalia
>>70165756
Tax evasion is your duty as an American.
>>70180079
>buying health insurance
>>70180203
Well if you don't like the government, change it
>>70180244
Sucking dick is your duty as an American~
>>70165756
anarchy is unrealistic, fairy tale, utopian bullshit.
What do you think would happen, if you just got rid of borders, government, and police? It's not standing armies you have to worry about defending your small ass community from, because I imagine you still assume you would be nation wide. but no, society would regress. We need our "cage", as stefan would call it, to freely roam around and build, with unifying factors like currency and law.
How do you plan on stopping the hordes of retards that are not peaceful anarchists who plan on coming to free land because they want release from their shithole and because no rules?
Mexico would spill over into North America. You think they care about morals and ethics? so what do you do, build walls and gated communities? we already have that bitch, it's called a country. our country has social services and you pay a portion or GTFO faggot.
Is government too big? yes. do we need it? yes.
>>70179538
But still, who's going to pay for all of those roads to be built? A bunch of engineers aren't going to do it for free, and those that do pay will be angry if non-contributors are using the roads. And with the Mississippi river bordering my city and miles of swampland after that, I don't trust just anybody to build huge bridges.
>>70179989
>socialists ITT continue to weasel their way into justifications for theft and overall social squalor
>feel like I'm arguing with my Cubanfag handyman who vehemently defends Venezuelan policies
>mfw
Seriously, arguing with socialists is the worst
>central planning invariably means you will have to ration things, like with food. Captalism provides abundance whereas socialism leaves shortages.
>Yeah but (obscure country) tried it once in (specific year) and there was no surplus or shortage. It's just that true socialism has never been tried.
>>70174048
>implying stock trading should be protected and not taxed like the gambling it is.
>implying de-incentivizing risky market speculation is bad.
>implying contributing to the culture of short trade speculation is some sort of burden for the betterment of society and not the jew-usury that it is.
>implying the costs of regulating and maintaining market infrastructure shouldn't be payed for by the people profiting from it.
>>70179350
>Still not providing a solution to the economic calculation problem.
>Still sucking marx's cock.
>>70167025
>pol/ok becomes dispatcher
>"911? Help THIS GUY STOLE MY MONEY AT GUNPOINT"
>"how black is he?
>"WhHAT?"
>"mam I need a gradient"
>>70171291
dude people that rich, have people under them that are also making bucket loads of money. people at the bottom are going to make bottom scraping levels of cash.
just a reminder that libertarianism means no borders which means mass uncontrolled immigration which means dozens of millions, maybe even hundreds of millions, of third worlders moving into western communities to beg for shelter foods and jobs.
>>70179753
>Mfw United States is not included
Top kek
>>70180254
You're going to age sooner or later anon. You can avoid a lot of shit with a healthy lifestyle, but sometimes your genetics catch up or shit happens. If you have no serious medical stuff in your family and you live that healthy lifestyle, you still should start paying for health insurance no later than 35.
>>70171372
What I love about arguing with anarchists is, at the end of they day, you pay your fucking taxes hahahahahhaha suck a dick
>>70171219
You didn't earn that money on your own. This is the flaw in your thinking. For that payment to even exist, other people contributed to build the world you inhabit and protect your whiny ass. You would likely be dead if it weren't for the benefits you receive and if this is so abhorrent to you, fuck off and claim your own territory, but don't complain when someone rides along and decides they can just beat you and take it.
If the government starts coming into your backyard and taking a percentage of things you grew without the resources of others, then you have a valid complaint.
>>70180465
Nigger, I used to be a libertarian. I like Fascism, but i'm not an autist so I don't try to evangelize for my position. I expect to evolve my political views as I live. I agree, arguing with socialist is terrible, but not nearly as excruciating as trying to reason with hardline 4Chan Libertarian fanatics.
>>70180453
People who want roads. I find it hilarious that people actually bitch about *POSITIVE* externalities, as if just because something has benefits to others it won't get done. Business in the U.S. would come to a grinding halt (as it stands) without roads to transport goods and services. Whether it's businesses or communities, there's an incentive for anyone to have a way to travel in and out of a location via a motor vehicle in the modern U.S.
>>70180649
Just a reminder that libertarianism is literally the opposite of this, because when everything is privately owned there is no welfare to mooch off if and literally everything is private property.
You gullible goy.
>>70180560
Gassing you would be the first step towards Making America Great Again.
>>70180716
And I can save out of my own money in case I ever need it. Why pay for insurance? It's literally a losing gamble for 99% of people - that why there can even *BE* an insurance industry. They milk people who pay for no reason - they receive in more than they pay out. And it's because of suckers like you.
>>70172373
You were born into a household you had no choice in, raised by people you had no choice in etc. When you're capable and you don't like them you leave right? Why do you think you get to dictate the household you were born into? Your mother and father have established themselves, have a way of being, and they decided to bring you into that. If you don't like it bugger off, you don't force them to change to your standard.
>>70180886
>butthurt marxist detected.
>>70181056
So if you don't leave when I dump garbage on your lawn, you consent to it. If you didn't like it you could just bugger off, after all~
>>70180688
From your own study
>Iceland's unusually high antidepressant use is "a result of their perceived effectiveness by users, but also an effect of limited access to alternative treatment like psychotherapy." The rising rate of antidepressant usage there, however, has not been tied to any decrease in suicide rate or disability due to depression.
Don't forget in my OP I cited FLAWED HAPPINESS STUDIES; happiness means different things to different cultures, and the researcher's methodology is flawed
>>70180763
I'm not a libertarian. I'm a classical liberal. I believe in the state as a necessity for the civilizing of man as well as a culture undergirded by Judeo-Christian values which must include monogamy. I believe in the police force and infrastructure.
Arguing with someone who is dogmatically libertarian, e.g. someone whose god is de facto the NAP, is annoying, yes. But nothing rivals the way in which socialists weasel and justify their abhorrent ideas.
>>70165756
>breaking the social contract
>not immoral
>>70180869
Lol no. lots of people migrate just to find jobs or beg.
Why do you think I'm a marxist? I like fascism, but just because I like it does not make me a fascist. How does Marxism come into play?
Whatever, I'm going back to /syriageneral/ and call in some more Russian airstrikes on IS. What a time to be alive.
>>70180465
>implying laissez fair capitalism isn't a disaster
Capitalism and Socialism are not mutually exclusive or even necessarily conflicting economic concepts anon.
Every successful country has SOME market regulation and SOME public and social services.
>>70167025
Why do I still get a $600 bill when I have to take an ambulance to the hospital if my taxes are paying for all these emergency services?
I know that $600 isn't going to you, because that is what the 911 service charge on my cellphone bill is for.
I know it isn't going to my police, because there is a specific portion of my property taxes paying for them.
I know it isn't a medical expense, because it would be billed to my insurance.
So don't fucking tell me there is a need for that $600 emergency taxi fee.
>>70181308
Lol yeah, and they will be stopped by the owners of the private property they encroach upon.
>>70180301
The only way to change government (or more accurately, to eradicate it) is to either defeat it militarily, or to convince others that they do not need it. The former is neither a practical nor lasting solution, because governments are exceedingly good at defending themselves from assault, and the idea of government cannot be shot or blown up out of people's minds. So the only practical recourse is to challenge people's beliefs and make them questions their deep-held premises that they have likely never examined, which is what is happening now.
An anarchist "revolution" is an oxymoron, as you cannot force freedom on someone. That's the best way to see a new government spring up in short order.
>>70180360
>It's not standing armies you have to worry about
Liechtenstein and Costa Rica have no military forces. They are, from a practical defense perspective, entirely helpless and vulnerable to invasion from their neighbors. Why do they still exist, if as you say, everyone will turn into bloodthirsty savages.
>>70180982
That's why I said 35. You avoid a good 10-12 years of paying into the system and should have enough money so that paying for insurance isn't that big of a deal.
>a losing gamble for 99% of people
You're saying 99% of people never use their insurance? I find that hard to believe. While too many of us are accustomed to not bothering with the doctor unless something is already happening to us, it's easy to make your insurance worthwhile by getting regular check ups and tests so you can avoid the bad shit.
>>70181409
What I love about this board is the over abundance of retards
>anon thinks socialism abhorrent, therefore he is x
Who the fuck said I was a laissez faire guy, or that I don't understand that regulation/deregulation exists on a spectrum? It's so hard to argue with you fucks when I have to start by deconstructing your retarded assumptions
>>70177430
and you think this won't collapse back into a group of people deciding they'd rather cooperate to kill/control all of you why?
When you get rowdy, what do you do when people like me realize it's in my best interest to occupy the power vacuum you created?
Libertarian thought is delusional and ignores reality when it gets in the way
>>70181276
So its pointless to compare these stats then?
>>70181518
>I know it isn't a medical expense, because it would be billed to my insurance.
Aaaand theres where you're wrong, anon. Your insurance company is a private speculations broker and therefor fucks you as much as they can get away with.
>>70181593
They may *use it*, but not *MORE THAN THEY PAY IN*. If *MOST PEOPLE* paid in *LESS* they they received out (which would be favorable), then insurance could not exist as an industry. It's an *objective FACT* that for most people insurance is a *LOSING INVESTMENT*.
>>70181644
I don't.
I don't give a fuck if you kill me or not. You'll be judged by God either way. I'm going to do the right thing no matter what - you can suck dick, fuck goats, or do whatever it is you're gonna do Abdul.
>>70181585
thanks for admitting that libertarians want to speed up the 3rd world invasion of western countries
Always remember: capitalism and free trade = mass immigration and foreigners stealing jobs
>>70181409
Socialism is the collective ownership of property.
Capitalism is the private ownership of property.
They are the mutually exclusive.
What (you) are referring to is a capitalist economy with heavy state intervention and high taxes. It's just capitalism burdened by luddites.
>>70179292
> wanting Jews in control of all aspects of society
Top fuckin kek. It would be nice if someone blocked your way when trying to get to work and demanded you pay for the "repairs" they did last week or they won't let you pass. And then someone else demanding you pay them so they water the tree in front of your house or they'll let it die.
>>70181827
Thanks for just pretending to be retarded.
>>70175638
>Common law would allow me to sue and argue my specific case that you had damaged my property, and get a judgement, even a lien against your property.
this is something that you can do... with a government to enforce it. In a free society you can fuck off LOL try and make me. what are you going to do, fine me? LOL. jail me? LOL
>>70181827
>zero sum game
>Argentina
>white
>>70181619
If you understand that regulation is a spectrum than why are you calling people 'socialists' as if thats some hardline distinction and not just farther-down-the-spectrum than your own opinions?
If you don't want to explain yourself over and over to then don't be a hypocritical retard.
>>70165756
Jesus Christ Libertarians are faggots.
>>70177158
you will happily have your car towed, license suspended, and be jailed lol.
>>70182069
>"Abdul here, from T.V. licensing, here to question your outlook on life!"
>>70182151
Yes! Happily~
>>70165756
>Give unto Caesar what is Caesar
Libertarians confirmed for apostates
>>70181859
>lol pol will bite the bait if I accuse his argument of being pro-jew.
>lol what if i just pretended to be retarded and used reductio ad absurdems to make my impending cognitive dissonance go away.
Privatization of government is coming. You can't do anything to stop it, and no it won't benefit the jews anymore than it will benefit any other tribe. In fact, if there is a jewish illermaughty, they definitely don't want privately-owned governments to happen.
>>70165756
>>70165848
>>70169084
>>70171219
>>70174677
ITT people that have never benefited from the security of a police force, the convenience of paved roads, never been to public school, the list goes on forever
>>70181518
You might live in an area where your ambulance services have been sold off to private companies. Should take it up with your local reps not /pol/
>>70181723
That's just the price of not having to pay several hundred to thousands at once for a doctor visit or whatever else. Now if you have the money saved up to pay for anything that comes your way, that's great. You don't need insurance. Good for you. But the average American doesn't have enough money saved up for a tooth extraction and insurance comes in handy.
>>70181965
>jail me?
Yes, actually. What, you think people in free societies don't give a shit if they get murdered or have industrial sewage dumped on their front lawn? You think dispute resolution firms and security agencies won't exist because demand for these basic services will somehow vanish?
>>70181589
>leichtenstein and Costa Rica
You know these are shit holes right? White nations and east asian nations who build great societies and have marvelous things will be attractions, you don't leave a shit hole to another shit hole.
>>70182347
???
You *literally PAY MORE* buy buying insurance than simply saving money and using it in an emergency for *MOST PEOPLE*.
That goes for *EVERYONE*. You GIP yourselves.
>>70182337
Hey I washed your car now pay up or else. You benefited, now pay up.
>>70181236
no I either clean it, call the authorities, or deal with you myself. are you fucking retarded? dumping trash is your comparison? LOL
taxes are immoral
>>70170528
So you concede that point and are now trying a new angle of attack. The works, and I have read them, are garbage. Really no empirical credibility at all
>>70165756
>privatize schools.
>an entire generation or the poor don't become educated at all.
>just 15 years later the hands-down stupidest generation of american adults in over a century.
>>70182337
All of those which would be better if not provided by the government but instead by free market means.
>>70182552
If you didn't like it then why do you live next to me? That's the rule of you living next to me - I dump garbage on your lawn. If you don't like it leave LMAO
>>70182353
first you have to prove I did it. good luck getting me to a court, how do courts work in a free society? I get no lawyer? How are judges appointed, and how do they get authority? is it always by jury, does the jury get paid?
sorry, you're retarded. go pay yoru taxes LOL
>>70182614
We can use a simpler tax code and give school vouchers. Would be cheaper than financing public education.
Over time we could reduce taxes to zero, due to general improvement in productivity of the population.
>>70182448
You realize the hospital bills your insurance company drastically lower than they bill you if you pay out of pocket, right?
>>70182504
You don't have power over them, the government does have power over you and always will as long as humans can cooperate long enough to amass sufficient force to conquer others
>>70182707
I live in the real world, not in a fantasy. We have cops to stop your non-sense.
Are you trying to figure out how I would go about it in your utopian fantasy? I don't have to worry about it, it's a fantasy.
>>70182636
What a stupid idea... Police Force via free market?
>>70182423
>Liechtenstein
>shithole
Holy lol, American education at work. Liechtenstein is tiny, but any land whatsoever is at a massive premium in Europe. Considering that an invasion could be completed within 24 hours, why haven't Austria or Switzerland taken that land for themselves?
Costa Rica is in an even worse geopolitical area. They're in shitty Latin America, where a border war wouldn't even raise eyebrows. Why haven't they been conquered by their shithole neighbors?
>>70182746
>would be cheaper to pay for poor peoples private education than to pay for public education.
What makes you believe this?
>>70182423
Lichtenstein literally has the highest gdp per capita in the world and THE most based sovereign on this fucking planet.
Prince Hans-Adam is so libertarian that he literally tried to change the constitution to allow individuals to secede from his state if they wanted to. His democratic parliament had to stop him and only allow municipalities to secede.
Then his people voted to increase his power as the monarch.
He wrote a book about his predictions for the state's transition into a privately owned security company for this upcoming millennia.
The dude is based as fuck and prescient, though I understand that you retarded fucking commies have no idea what is going to happen in the coming centuries.
>>70182774
*If* you have hospital bills, and that's *ASSUMING* you haven't been paying for a *LONG* time before you actually make use of your insurance.
It is a MATHEMATICAL *TRUTH* that insurance is a GIP for most people, because YOU PAY IN MORE THAN THEY PAY OUT TO YOU in MOST cases. That's how insurance CAN EVEN EXIST. If people on average took out *MORE* than they put in, insurance would go out of business.
>>70182898
what is stupid about it? just think, because you're not thinking enough
>>70182186
>Be niggerkike
>Get shot
>>70183008
who's better at spending money into shit, government or greedy private corporations?
>>70182778
I put a gun to your head after washing your car and demand you pay. Looks like I've got power - totally justified by your reasoning too! Pay up whiteboi~
>>70183040
Imagine the corruption. The police exist to uphold justice not make a profit.
>>70182892
I kill the cops and continue dumping garbage - and now police corpses - on your lawn. If you don't like it just move away LMAO
>>70183047
>be Bong
>be raped by Abdul and have their sisters converted to brown baby-makers
>>70183105
aw yeah
forgot to explain my idea in the right terms
just think of why police exists. they enforce property theft basically. they're completely shit to protect the citizes against murder, theft and other stuff.
to those objectives, private security wins against police forces.
>>70183149
nice roleplay, not an argument
and at the end of the day, you are paying taxes hahahahaha
>>70183284
>implying I'm paying taxes and don't work for cash
>>70183267
What about people who cannot afford private security? Everyone deserves access to the police. I don't believe in socialism but this is a basic necessity.
>>70183361
on second thought.. all these anime pictures. you don't work, do you?
you're poor parents, how immoral of you to make them care for you. using them. tsk tsk
>>70183284
> Being this much of a kike-enabler
>>70183428
Nobody deserves anything, let alone the services of other people, simply for existing.
If people want to help other people for free, that's noble, but don't act like anyone's entitled to it.
>>70183428
no, everyone deserves access to justice against fraud and theft.
>>70183240
>Be "white" American.
>Ask Tyrone to rape your wife.
>>70183470
You're *so* articulate! What did you major in college? English? Philosophy? Law? Your reasoning skill on top of your affinity for clear and pointed writing are far and away above the normal /pol/ poster's!
>>70183519
100% win rate against anarchists, at the end of the day, you pay your taxes bitch hahahahhaa
>>70183548
Are you saying that private security and the police should exist side by side? If so, then I misunderstood your statement. Otherwise, full privatization of the police force is not a good idea.
>>70183558
>be Bong
>invite the T.V. license men into your home to ensure you're not watching illegal television
gonna drop this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-7oMOxPjNE
>>70183692
aaaaaand you still live in America so enjoy your services and taxes bitch hahahahaha
>>70182712
>good luck getting me to a court
How do you get people to courts now? Likely the same mechanism in a free society. If you hired the services of a security company, yours would be contacted by mine, and they would agree to have our issue resolved in a mutually-accepted court. If you don't have a security company protecting you, I'd get mine to arrest you and drag your ass to court.
You would presumably be given a free lawyer (or one working on contingency) since people have found that this system results in more equitable, impartial, and desirable justice systems. Otherwise you could represent yourself. The simplification of the common legal system in a free society renders legal proceedings far less burdensome.
Judges are not "appointed", because that would require some higher form of authority. Dispute resolution firms arise for this purpose, and fail or succeed based on their competence. Trials may be by jury too, depending how things are arranged. You are asking me to spell out the details of a proposed system, when this level of scrutiny is not applied to any other statist system. People are good at creating solutions to unforseen problems, so I can only speculate as to what kinds of solutions may arise. To categorically declare "this is how it will work" is an imposition of a particular system on people, which is the opposite of the purpose of anarchism.
>>70183756
police doesn't help protecting people, that's what i'm saying.
>>70183428
But you are still a socialist. The final morsels of leftist worm still haven't been removed from your brain.
Nobody deserves fucking anything. The strong will create a decent society because it pays. The poor will get charity if it pays in some way.
There is only true justice in God. Here in Hell, God's plan works through the monstrous nature of reality. But even then, success and wisdom pay off in the long-term, and what seems evil, but is actually realist, ends up working towards a more livable hell.
Leftism denies that we are in hell, prematurely tries to create heaven on Earth and ends up making it more hellish in the long run.
>>70183692
You obviously haven't graduated in anything. You're probably another neet, fapping to your waifu(s) all day.
>>70183807
Aaaaaand you still live near me and enjoy my beautiful presence, the sidewalks I maintain all around your house, and my infinite mercy in not raping your mother and severing your limbs. So enjoy LMAO!
>>70183911
You'd certainly like to believe that, le-weed-flag.
Government is objectively good. Prove me wrong.
>Protip: You Cannot
>>70183983
their intention certainly is. it doesn't mean it works that way.
>>70183848
too many assumptions
what really happens is i kill you and flee. muwahahahahhaaha
>>70183967
We still haven't legalized it. Your argument is invalid. Weed is only legal for those who need it medically and only they have the privilege to grow and smoke it. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in medical marijuana.
>>70183094
Do you think greedy private corporations work for free? Or that they take as little money as they can?
They might run the school more efficiently but that efficiency doesn't necessarily make them cheaper, it makes them more profitable.
The US spends about 10k a year per child per year for education. You're not going to privately educate people for less than that.
>>70183764
>Be Americunt.
>Invite kike to your home to ensure that you prep the bull.
>>70184115
>argument
>>70183939
be honest, you sit inside all day. What did mom make for dinner?
>>70184061
Intention is 9/10ths of the law. As long as Governments intend to do good, that is enough. Too question this is highest treason.
>>70184091
>*teleports behind you
>nothin personnel kid!
>>70184155
>be Europoor
>invite millions of sand-niggers to pillage your anal cavities and turn your women into breeding sows
>>70184163
>greentexting
>>70184280
>4chan
>>70184127
yeah, and exactly because of profit they will diminish costs.
and by giving vouchers to people, people are able to issue their payment to whoever they choose, which greatly reduces these companies chances to capture and monopolize the government, by the simple fact that the decision lies in the hands of various individuals instead of a private contract with the government, which is what you're trying to point as a flaw and failed miserably to type.
>>70183015
Insurance companies bargain for lower rates with medical providers.
And, THEY take in more from you than the medical providers charge THEM, but that doesn't mean YOU are paying them MORE than the medical providers would otherwise charge YOU.
It is absolutely corrupt but that's how it is.
>>70184307
>life
>>70183939
>>70183764
>>70183692
>>70183361
>>70183240
>>70183149
>>70183015
>71 posts by this ID
I will pray for you anon. NatSoc Jesus is far more powerful than your libertarian jesus. Let us see the true power of your faith!
>>70184163
>>70184360
>existence
>>70184344
You can bargain with medical providers too. But you don't bother.
Also, the reason hospitals charge so much is to milk the few people who actually pay, since Medicaid people constantly go to the E.R. for *EVERYTHING* and never pay a dime, and the state reimburses them for jack shit.
