>tax evasion is immoral
>>70165756
Yeah it is. Taxes pay for the society to operate and federal powers exist for a reason.
>>70165848
>my political philosophy education is middle school civics 101 level
>>70165943
Fuck you. If you are possibly using public services you need to pay for that possibility.
I say this as a dispatcher
>>70167025
>you are forced to use %1 of government service, therefore you must pay for 100%
Top fuckin kek
>>70167025
You sound like a mafia protection service seller
>>70167384
>Pay us for protection, if you dont we will fuck you up
>not the mafia
>>70165756
tax evasion is immoral if you're the one writing the laws
>>70167025
>You need to pay for low-quality monopolized services that you may or may not utilize
>It's for your own good!
>>70165756
>>70167798
isnt rothbard that nigger who said parents don't owe their offspring shit and should be able to sell them like cattle
beyond degeneracy
>>70165756
I liked Tom Sowell a lot more before he endorsed Ted Cruz
>>70167368
>any one individual pays for the entire budget of any given department
autistic as fuck you are
>>70167965
<citation needed>
Austrian Economics and Free Market Capitalism will always reign supreme.
>>70165756
it's immoral in countries where the government is operating somewhat efficiently
it's not immoral to evade taxes in countries where the government will misuse and or squander the tax money
>>70167965
That's quite a misrepresentation
He said unwanting parents should be able to sell their kids to wanting parents
He never likened children to livestock
>>70168388
Like the USSA?
>>70165756
>>70167798
Babies for sale
t.Murray Rothbard
My theory isn't based on research
t. Rothbards mentor, pic related
>>70165756
You are only earning that money because the current system allowed you to do so and created the right enviroment.
And keeping a functional society requires money for the state.
>>70168457
better than abortion or abandonment right? or worse an adoption agency who profits?
>>70168354
In the Ethics of Liberty, Rothbard explores issues regarding children's rights in terms of self-ownership and contract.[108] These include support for a woman's right to abortion, condemnation of parents showing aggression towards children, and opposition to the state forcing parents to care for children. He also holds children have the right to run away from parents and seek new guardians as soon as they are able to choose to do so. He asserted that parents have the right to put a child out for adoption or sell the rights to the child in a voluntary contract in what Rothbard suggests will be a "flourishing free market in children". He believes that selling children as consumer goods in accord with market forces, while "superficially monstrous", will benefit "everyone" involved in the market: "the natural parents, the children, and the foster parents purchasing".[109][110][clarification needed]
In Rothbard's view of parenthood, "the parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights."[109] Thus, Rothbard stated that parents should have the legal right to let any infant die by starvation, and should be free to engage in other forms of child neglect. However, according to Rothbard, "the purely free society will have a flourishing free market in children". In a fully libertarian society, he wrote, "the existence of a free baby market will bring such 'neglect' down to a minimum".[109]
holy fuck this is literally maximum jewery and degeneracy
lol fuck da family unit muh free market moop da doop
>>70168530
good goy
>>70168477
Retard. Austrian economics is based on praxeology, that's true. But that isn't to say claims are made without substantiation.
Praxeological claims are supported by historical evidence rather than mathematical models and the scientific method, which is infinitely more appropriate for economics.
Saying it isn't based on research just shows you've never looked at any of the works.
>>70165756
>nigger can't understand white invention
What else is new? Also good that Italians are white or taxes would be a nigger intention
>>70168571
>wikipedia
it is almost like you have never had an original thought
>>70168571
yeah find the actually text and post it... not someone else's interpretation out of context
tax evasion is immoral because most other people pay their taxes which means you're leeching off of them by using public infrastructure, legal framework, etc.
i thought you libertarians didn't like leeches
>>70168812
excellent contribution to the topic at hand
you seem to be an expert on the master kike rothbard, care to educate me a bit?
>>70168558
Nice false dichotomy. All of the above are possible, nobody said anything about banning those options.
>>70168723
What ficki ficki time already over in Germany?
>>70165848
Go fuck yourself sheep.
>>70167669
For some of it it's more like
>You need to pay for low-quality monopolized services that you are required by law to utilize
>>70165756
Because wanting what someone else has is Envy not Greed.
Did you ever read the bible?
>>70168946
literally the same thing as when a nigger walks up to your car and washes the windshield even though you didnt ask for it and then demands payment.
>>70169105
These people unironically defend logic that would justify a man demanding pay from someone who had to cross a sidewalk that was built around them while they slept.
"You used it and benefited from a flatter walking surface, so pay up or else."
>>70169164
i really want my neighbor's wife. she so fine
>>70169255
ever heard of the social contract? go live in the woods swedecuck
>>70168708
He literally says in the quote it's not a historical science.
>>70169509
didnt sign it, didnt want it. k thx bye
>>70169255
Yes, a nigger washing your windshield is the same as hundreds of millions of people paying taxes while you refuse and benefit
>>70169277
>>70169701
Then give back everything you've taken and we're square.
>>70168388
So what country doesn't waste tax money like crazy?
>>70169701
you obviously didn't turn it down since you're here talking to me dummy, go live in the woods and live your anarchist dreams cucko
>>70168818
"It is grotesque to think that the parents can actually own the child’s body as well as physical property; it is advocating slavery and denying the fundamental right of self-ownership to permit such ownership of others, regardless of age. Therefore, the child must always be free to run away; he then becomes a self-owner whenever he chooses to exercise his right to run-away freedom."
"In a purely libertarian society, the young child is not as bereft as might at first appear. For in such a society, every parent would have the right to sell their guardianship rights to others. In short, there would be a free market in babies and other children."
dude 5 year olds totally possess full autonomy and have the faculties to fully participate in the sacred DUDE FREE MARKET as fully informed and fully rational actors and can run away just fine
but at the same time parents can sell ownership of children without the child having any say in their raising, or sale, or anything in between so it would be in the parent's interest to restrict their child's fundamental right of self-ownership if they want to sell their ownership of the child for some dosh in the FREE MARKET
what in the fuck was rothbard smoking
>>70169509
*cough*
>>70168477
>newton was wrong about gravitation because he believed in alchemy
>>70169873
>demanding payment for services i did not request
no thanks bye
>tfw still haven't done taxes
I'm 19 and I don't have a clue what to do to do this and I don't have the 300 bucks i'll probably cost me to get them done
>>70169509
no one takes that shit idea seriously nowadays
literally civics 101 pseudophilosophy
>>70169967
fine then don't use public services and pay back everything you've taken like this anon said >>70169873
>>70169847
The Bible only claims men who are gay should be killed. Lesbians are fine.
>>70169930
i would certainly turn it down if i no longer had to pay taxes (and/or didnt risk being imprisoned for tax evasion)
however, turning it down gives none of those benefits you fucking retard.
is it not greed to own the majority of wealth, and is it not greed to steal someone's wealth? If both are greed can you not conclude that the greed of the majority outweighs the greed of the rich?
>>70170146
Dude, turbotax is free assuming you just have a basic W-2 to worry about. Did you even make enough money to have to file?
>>70170064
Are you leaving the country?
>>70170146
just roll with me real quick. you are a god damn idiot. you dont have to pay a hebe a fucking cent you jamoke. torrent the 2015 turbo tax and enter in your information, faggot.
ill assume you can file a 1040ez, since you're a nimrod who probably doesnt have any other investments or liabilities to list. download the god damn software and file your taxes in ~1-1.5hrs.
ill bet you will fuck up the software installation
>>70170252
appeal to majority
>>70169873
>>70170283
I walk up to you and shine your shoes, and follow up with "you owe me for my services - pay up".
Fucking BRILLIANT* logic you brainless niggers.
>>70169578
I guess I'll just ignore the works of all Austrian economists in favor of that single out-of-context quote
Have you ever actually read an Austrian work? Or are you just going by that single image?
>>70170490
fine don't pay us back just stop using public services like public roads and police officers, go live in the woods and survive like a real man without any oppressive government to hinder your freedom by building sidewalks
>>70165756
Not if your American. It's your duty to avoid high taxes as an American. That was one of the major things that set off the revolution. They kept trying to tax us without approval.
Anything over 20% is fucking retarded if we are not being invaded by Russia at the moment.
>>70170490
You see my dear tripfag the beauty of the system lies in the fact that you can leave if you don't like it. Just pack your shit and go to amazonian jungle and you can be free of those pesky people wanting to take away your shekels.
>>70170693
I build a sidewalk around your house and tell you "if you don't want to pay for the sidewalk, don't use it".
Fucking.
*B r i l l i a n t*.
>>70170693
They're literally compulsory you asshat
>>70170781
I dump all my garbage on your lawn. When you complain I tell you "if you don't like it you can just leave".
A b s o l u t e l y
*B R I L L I A N T*
>>70170891
Oh, you are just retarded. I'm sorry.
>>70170809
>>70170845
you can leave anytime and go live in the wilderness or on a boat in international waters or somalia
>>70170964
>tell someone if they don't like something they can just leave
>say the same thing - if you don't like x you can just leave
>"lol ur retarded"
>>70170590
This is true, but taxes are needed. The problem with current socialism is that people are being provided real money instead of health care or food that helps them become productive. Give 100 bucks to a homeless guy and he will waste it on alcohol. Give him food and health and he will work because he wont get his liquor any other way .
>>70165756
Derivatives. Quadrillions in debt worldwide. That is thousands of trillions. Socialists did this. That uncle tom can blow me
>>70165848
>Taxes pay for the society to operate
That's not moral justification to take (read: steal) the money that I, and I alone, have worked for. Find another way to pay for society.
>>70171094
If you don't like me objecting to you being an insufferable faggot cunt, you can just leave too. Ja ne, have fun somewhere else~
>>70171184
This!!!!
>>70170809
You sound like me at 18 years old.
I'm guilty of tax evasion, and food stamp fraud.
Never been caught, because I'm careful about the income I don't report, and because they apparently don't check to see if you're lying about your income.
![12961722_1113914788631595_7866987739760420987_n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zDuRioV.jpg "12961722_1113914788631595_7866987739760420987_n[1].jpg")
kek you fucking cockroaches panicking about your taxes, there's like two threads up of everyone complaining about them.
Quit waiting until April to do your taxes, and then bitching about them, I already did mine last year.
>>70171254
If that's supposed to be a diss, you'd best explain what's fallacious about the logic being employed fampai~
>>70167368
Fuck roads, public transport, police, social security, the military, and the postal service am I right?
Yea I am, Anarchy is the future brother.
>>70170891
And what part of that is relevant to the topic of taxes?
>>70165756
>ugly jewess ayn bland
>social security is a disease
>gimme my social security
>>70171405
He's telling me "if I don't like x, I can just leave".
So I'm saying the same thing in a hypothetical to illustrate how much of a non-response that is by saying "if you don't like x, you can just leave", where x is another state of affairs. Please keep up.
>>70171228
resorting to insults yep typical libertarian
i have another question for you
if i'm your next door neighbor and im upstream from a river that runs through both of our properties
is it ok for me to pour all my shit in the river so your portion of the river turns into a river of shit?
>>70171094
If everyone who identified problems with the system went back to the stone age, we wouldn't get very far as a civilization
>>70171620
No, that's a negative externality. People have disputes over negative externalities constantly.
>>70170809
I agree with you but why are you being a tripfag?
>>70170490
Not how taxes work, dufus.
Let's say everyone's shoes are shined daily by you, and everyone pays you except one moron who complains about being made to pay for shoe shining. That's your argument.
>>70171347
I'm stating that your views will evolve when you begin to face actual issues and problems in life. Libertarianism is seriously degenerate, I know it seems like the proper route for governance of White Americans, but it's just the Opposite end of the spectrum from the relentless welfare and victimization state that the SJW's inhabit. You are an anarchist, you just dress better, and complain more like a bitch that the world is retarded for not following your specific brand of economic conservatism.
t. Ron Paul Voter 2008, 2012
>>70171620
water law says "no" you fucking cannot. you infringe on other water rights by doing so.
>>70165848
>society
Define "society".
>>70171624
as a born again libertarian free market capitalist all i can say is that not wanting to live in the stone age is oppressive and tyrannical to the people who do want to live in the stone age
>>70171184
Reasonable
>>70171788
So I can pick up conversations with people in other threads.
>>70171821
You're saying the person, whose shoes were shined even though he *NEVER* asked for it, and who I'm *DEMANDING* payment from *BY THREAT OF FORCE*, is a moron? Are you memeing?
>>70171886
but laws are tyrannical, they make you pay taxes BY GUNPOINT so those laws can be enforced BY GUNPOINT
>>70171700
using the oppressive legal system that they steal money to fund?
>>70172030
fine
>>70171845
My father was murdered on the streets by a thug, I've lived in abject poverty and among druggies and homeless people, and I've almost died at least twelve times in my life. Tell me again how I need to "face actual problems" you autist.
>>70172030
If you didn't want your shoes shined, perhaps you shouldn't have moved to a neighborhood where everyone gets a shoe shining?
You could live anywhere right now, but you SPECIFICALLY CHOSE a place with income tax.
Literally, the only people who could possibly complain are people who have lived in the same place they were born for their entire life and have never moved.
You chose your house/apartment/whatever.
>>70172108
You're assuming government courts... why?
>>70171886
>water law says "no" you fucking cannot.
Bird law say "yes" you can!
>>70172234
If you didn't want garbage to be dumped on your lawn, perhaps you shouldn't have been born and lived next to me? If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
What brilliant "logic".
>>70172030
Yes, you are a moron because you still benefit from the service provided by that payment and the majority dictated that suck a service should be paid for. Even if you didnt have shoes you'd be expected to pay for the other services provided to you and everyone around you even if you didn't agree or use said services because that is the law that the majority chooses to follow.
>>70172228
saving this graphic. Thanks.
>>70172228
>My father was murdered on the streets by a thug, I've lived in abject poverty and among druggies and homeless people, and I've almost died at least twelve times in my life. Tell me again how I need to "face actual problems" you autist.
I didn't realize you were a nigger. My apologies, my melanin enriched friend!
>>70172281
so what, a corporation will ask me pretty please to give you a cash settlement for pouring shit into the river and i can say "no, lol"
>>70172297
lol, i like that bit. but id like to think you guys know about commons laws, of which includes water. water law, yeah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_resources_law
>>70171254
>Libertarian Spiderman.png
That is absolutely hilarious. I'm a Libertarian and I know you're trying to trigger me but I seriously love that, saved, thanks!
>>70171821
>Let's say everyone's shoes are shined daily by you, and everyone pays you except one moron who complains about being made to pay for shoe shining.
I don't want my shoes shined, thank you. That's our argument.
The public services stuff has some corner cases and most people people are perfectly willing to accept that argument when they feel it really is being used legitimately. But it's not legitimate in one sense when the Constitution doesn't actually authorize it, and it's not legit in another sense if it's wasteful and unecessary, and if you remove both of those our taxes would drop back to a reasonable level which would allow the corner cases to be dealt with.
>>70172234
>If you didn't want your shoes shined, perhaps you shouldn't have moved to a neighborhood where everyone gets a shoe shining?
But I didn't move anon. I was born here. My family (parts of it at least) have been here since the very first humans came. Why on earth should I have to leave just because I don't want to pay you to shine my non-shiny shoes?
>>70172397
So I punch everyone in the face, giving them a black-eye that is fashionable in the region. Most people decide that helps them out and pay me for it. I get to you, and you scream "no don't hit me" like some crazy moron, but I hit you anyway. I demand the payment I deserve and that everyone else thinks I deserve for giving you that fashionable black-eye, but you, being a fucking moron, refuse to pay it.
You are a *GOD* amongst logicians.
>>70171935
niggers
>>70172432
I was a poor kid, a poor college student, and my father was incredibly unlucky since he lived in a rural town that hadn't had a murder since 1956, and just so happened to be walking back home from the bar when he met with a 4-time felon living in government housing who was out on parole.
But yeah - you can pretend other people are naive or inexperienced all you fuckin' want senpai. Hope it does you good.
>>70172581
>That is absolutely hilarious. I'm a Libertarian and I know you're trying to trigger me but I seriously love that, saved, thanks!
It's a great photo. I used to be a Libertarian, now I'm a cringey fascist, but I'm sure I will evolve from that point of view as well. Good luck to you, and remember....
We don't need roads where we are going!
>>70172463
Anyone can resolve disputes. You can forgive. You can negotiate. You can fight. And there are literally an infinite number of ways you can go about any of those options.
>>70173067
nah ill just keep pouring shit in the river and there is nothing you can do about it that doesn't violate the non-agression principle
>>70171938`
No one is saying that people can't if they want to
Your discourse is really breaking down. You should take a break.
>>70165756
Nobody wants to take anybody's money you bunch of libertarian cucks.
Everyone just has to chip in to pay for services and social well being. You can't just 'opt out' of that and then continue using everything. Even if taxes were voluntary anybody who isn't a retarded fucking leech would realize this and contribute.
>>70173228
It does violate NAP. It's an attack on another person's property, which is an attack on them by NAP.
>>70172605
The reason you're a moron, for one, is because you don't understand that the goverment isn't just casually walking up to you and offering a service and demanding payment, the government itself with all of its infrastructures and services is what you and everyone else are paying for. Secondly, your arguments are childish and unrealistic and don't apply in the real world. If you punch me or dump shit on my lawn you will be arrested and my tax dollars will be put to good use
>>70173357
no, it's not an attack on another person's property, you are simply using your property how you see fit
>>70173429
Is everyone else seeing this guy? Are you reading what he's writing?
>>70172886
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_23451735/man-shot-and-killed-north-oakland-after-car
I feel for you, it's not fair that the bad victimize the decent. Niggers killed my good friend on his 23nd birthday. Just because you have had a terrible and unfair loss in your life does not mean your political views are valid. I'm not providing a alternate solution, so feel free to disregard this, but in my life I have seen the flaws and shortcomings of American Libertarianism. Just saying. I have only voted for Ron Paul and I have defended the Libertarian outlook countless times but for me, the answers lie elsewere. Sorry about your pops, Hope they gassed the trash the took him from you.
>>70171184
You make a good point. One of the main reasons we have a huge population of crazy wandering hobos in my country is because starting in the 50s we dismantled our public mental institution system. Public mental health for the poor is actually one of the rare services the government is proven to provide more effectively than the private sector, since the private sector lacks sufficient incentive.
>>70167522
But im not
>>70173493
... And thereby destroying another person's property
You could see pulling the trigger of a gun as "fit use" but you still have to deal with the ramifications if it harms someone else
You're really reaching here
>>70173493
NAP is a negative principle - don't commit aggression. You're committing an aggressive act by willfully fucking up people's property. That's literally part of NAP.
Just ask yourself: What would Hitler think of tax evasion?
>>70168388
Every government will misuse and or squander the tax money
>>70173594
>Just because you have had a terrible and unfair loss in your life does not mean your political views are valid
No shit, which is why saying things like
>I'm stating that your views will evolve when you begin to face actual issues and problems in life
as you did in >>70171845 is fucking stupid. My background is irrelevant to the ideas at play.
>>70173594
The guy got 22 years, but he's causing trouble in the system by constantly filing charges against the prison staff so he'll probably be out much sooner.
>>70173636
i got off track from the point, the point isn't what's an attack and what is not, the whole point is who's going to enforce me not pouring shit into your river
what if i have a big family with lots of guns and you live alone, what the fuck are you going to do about me pouring shit in the river?
>>70165756
As a finance student, capital gains tax bother the crap out of me.
An individual does weeks of research into dozens of companies by looking at their industries and financial statements. Then he uses the money he earned from his job that has already been taxed to buy shares of stock. Now he can't be sure that he will make money off that stock, he is making an educated guess. If he's wrong, he suffers all of the losses involved thus accepting all of the risk. But if he's right and he makes money, the government demands 20% of the profit. Wanting returns w/o assuming any risk makes markets less efficient which hinders the entire economy and those involved.
All because Shaniqua can't stop having kids she can't afford with fathers she'll never see again
>>70168530
>You are only picking cotton because the massa allowed you to do so
top fucking kek
>>70173526
You're the moron who equates taxes with a stranger walking up to you and shining your shoes then demanding payment.
>>70167522
fyucking this so much. how are they going to jail people for tax evasion and tell everyone to do their part and sacrifice for our homes when the people telling us to do this are hoarding their billions in off shore companies? meanwhile everyones economy is inthe shitter and these guys are just setting themselves up to get away scott free while everyone else suffers. fuck these shills defending them .
>>70165756
>Private property is bad
>>70174080
Since you explicitly justify taxes as being legitimate because the people who take them happen to do things that benefit others ala >>70172397, it's actually you who does that (rightly though completely unintentionally) yourself.
>>70168946
>If niggers break into your office and beat evrebody, its immoral for you to hide
>>70173778
>"Hitler's actual tax records survive and suggest that he was a 'cash-in-hand' businessman and a serial tax evader. He owed the German taxman a small fortune when he became supreme leader in 1933," one of the documentary makers tells the Daily Mail. The unpaid taxes added to a secret fortune that Hitler's Fortune author Chris Whetton, a contributor to the documentary, believes added up to more than a billion Reichsmarks, or more than $6 billion in today's money, at its apex. Hitler "felt paying taxes was beneath him," says Whetton, who believes Hitler's billions could still be stashed in secret accounts. (It's not the only claim of secret Nazi riches.)
>6 billion in today's money
>>70173855
>My background is irrelevant to the ideas at play.
Libertarianism is about as useful as a fingerbox in the real world. Its' a beautiful philosophy, but it will never happen in the United States in your lifetime.
>>70174034
You think the government is the only one willing to protect people for payment?
Why should the government have a monopoly on arbitration? What makes them inherently better at resolution than private outlets?
>>70174464
I'm not a pragmatist - I advocate libertarian principles because they're moral, not because I think other people are going to abandon being immoral selfish cunts.
>>70165848
> federal powers exist for a reason.
Yeah, and the reason is to empty your pockets
>>70174467
what gives private outlets the right to arbitrate to me whether or not i pour shit in the river
>>70174705
If you're violating the NAP by destroying my property I have the right to defend my property by any means necessary.
>>70174586
Fair enough. Fight the good fight.
When my brownshirts are sweeping the country of all degeneracy I'll be sure to leave the libertarians alone.
>>70174889
what if i hire a bunch of mercenaries and kill you for trespassing
>>70165756
How is it greed to ask for support in supplying the basic necessities and rights of life, like education, healthcare, food, housing, etc, especially when the state is so generous with the elite. What a load of horseshit to equate the "greed" of basic survival as the same greed thats destroying the globe.
Tax evasion is a small piece of a much larger problem, but it's good that the left and the right typically agree on it. By that I mean the public of course, not the elite masters. Of course they wouldn't want it to change: you pay taxes with your 50k salary, not them with their billions.
You don't want to be greedy now would you!?
Thomas Sowell was an uncle Tom hack of an "intellectual". He said the bullshit his master's wanted him to say and he made a decent career out of it.
>>70174705
What gives government outlets the right to do so? muh elections?
Tax evasion is a crime when you are also receiving services from people who are taxed. Not wanting to be taxed is fine, you might even be able to do it more efficiently, but you have to set up a system where you pay your own costs. Otherwise, you get the Free Rider problem and outcome pretty easily and pretty quickly.
Alternatively, you also have to own up to the fact that you just don't care about charity (or believe you can more efficiently be charitable on your own).
>>70175009
What if Jamal rapes your wife? You can list off any set of circumstances - if they're possible they're *always* possible. What if the government steals your shit? Oh it already does.
>>70174411
My example doesn't equate the two, it corrects your misguided equating of the subjects using the same hypothetical premise.
But nice try dodging the argument
>>70175072
You're ignoring the essential part of taxation that makes it different from charity. Taxation is non-consensual.
If a citizen tried implementing taxation in exactly the same manner as your government does, everyone would easily identify it as theft.
>>70175009
And effectively alienate yourself from the rest of the community? That would be pretty stupid.
>>70175080
actually it's the fact that they have more guns than you
>>70169873
give me back the 13 mandatory years I was forced to spend in school
>>70175274
The thing is they're logically equivalent, dribbling-moron-kun~
>>70175009
What If I form a group of men and consolidate power through a series of tracts and proclimations, form a fiat currency and form a body of armed men to be paid with that fiat currency and then invade your land and kill your mercenaries and hold you accountable for part of the expense's of my groups effort to subjugate you.
>>70175271
the point is that might makes right dummkopf, the biggest, baddest guy on the block gets to do whatever he wants and you get a river of shit
>>70175300
I'm not disagreeing with that.
>Taxation is non-consensual.
Yes, it's a result of the rule of law.
Who controls the law?
>>70173493
A common straw man argument.
Actually libertarianism means much stronger protection for the environment. Common law would allow me to sue and argue my specific case that you had damaged my property, and get a judgement, even a lien against your property.
This was inhibiting the growth of pollution-intensive industry, so the statutory regulatory approach was imported, and the EPA created, specifically to create standards of 'acceptable' pollution and prevent the victims of pollution from using their common law right to redress.
>>70173778
Hitler was socialism scum; his only redeeming quality was nationalism and he even fucked that up by ushering in an era of unprecedented European moral self-flagellation and late-stage decadence. He gets too high praise on this board.
Also, taxation is de facto theft. The only acceptable framework by which you can view taxation is "What amount of theft ought we accept?"
The only questions after that can be 1) What do we accept, under rigorous, scrupulous definitions, as promoting the public well being/need?, and 2) Is the theft serving its intended purpose with competency? If not, rescind all provisions pertaining to those taxes.
The aforementioned must be considered with this maxim in mind: Theft ought not be used for "positive rights"; i.e. welfare.
>>70175472
yep that sounds like exactly what would happen about 10 minutes into an ultralibertarian society
>>70175557
So God wins then. Have fun come judgment day~
>>70172228
>lived in abject poverty and among druggies and homeless people,
I think you did not read his post "...proper route for governance of White Americans..."
>>70175638
BUT THOSE THINGS ARE FUNDED BY TAXES WHICH ARE STOLEN FROM YOU BY THE GOVERNMENT
>>70175246
> take $5 from my each of my friends every day without their consent
> pocket half the money for myself, redistribute it unevenly among my friends
> one friend decides to start avoiding me
> OH MY GOD I CANT BELIEVE YOU ARE SO GREEDY
>>70175798
But they were not always, and they don't have to be.
>>70168708
no but, you miss the point, they fundamentally are not supported by historic evidence and it is YOU who have not read the works
>>70175735
I think you didn't read the rest of shit.
I'm white.
Not quite as white as Argentina though~
>>70175617
The point is if a citizen tried implementing taxation he would be branded a thief. When your government does it its somehow a social necessity.
You're inventing an exception to the rules without any justification.
>>70168154
Same, I can't look at him the same way anymore. Also happened to some conservative bloggers I highly respected, they became #CruzMissiles and I thought less of them but still respected them.
>>70175702
not an argument
i would rather the government be the guys who build roads than the local warlord desu
>>70176002
What exception is that?
>>70175639
>socialism scum
Yeah, because small, monocultured, Northern European states have had terrible luck with Socialism, right bud?
Have you looked at German standards of living between 1919-1933? Socialism sure seemed to fuck up Germany.
>>70175839
If he avoids you, then he isn't benefitting from any of the things you're using the money for and he's out of the system. That's perfectly acceptable.
A better analogy would be if all of my friends decided to start a fund where we each contributed $5 a week, but the guy in charge of managing it was fucking retarded. One friend who hates the way it's being managed skips out every time we collect the money, but still hangs out and uses the poorly managed friend-trust anyway to have fun.
That's why people are mad about tax evasion.
This is a simple free rider issue. Obviously, if you want to talk about the fact that you can't leave the system it becomes more complicated. But that's not what a discussion of Tax Evasion is about.
I don't think anyone would have any problem with a guy who doesn't pay taxes but also does not benefit in any way from them. You might say it's inefficient, because some things actually are more efficient (or at least, data suggests they are) when socialized within a large enough group that 'plays' the economic game fairly.
>>70176233
Not an argument - I wouldn't~
>>70165756
>O-OY VEY TAX EVASION ISNT IMMORAL PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE PANAMA PAPERS DEY DINDU NUFFIN
>>70171219
i and I alone. Right you are the only one that works and NOBODY, particularly not the safe, secure society in which you went to school etc, helped you with that, so you don't owe shit to nobody right?
Spot the spoiled child. Its this guy
>>70176448
The act of tax evasion is good and I support anyone avoiding taxes~
>>70176456
So the mafia moves into your neighborhood, kills everyone who dissents, and ends up with a populace it extorts made mostly of spineless shits like you. They recruit from you, occasionally use the money they extort from you in a way that benefits you - they open up a shooting range or pay Tony to pave a road. And they tell you they protect you from rival gangs. As long as you remain the spineless sheep you've always been, you remain relatively "safe".
And if you ever dared to object? "LMAO SPOILED CHILD LOOK WHAT THE MAFIA DOES FOR YOU".
Fucking. *HILARIOUS*.
>>70176604
I will happily pay the road pirate's tarrifs on my right to the freedom of the application of speed as long as they keep killing Dindu's and keep homeless people off the streets.
>>70176932
how can you shitpost on 4chan when you have to spend your time defending yourself from all the mafias that will certainly form in a stateless society
>>70177017
I will happily not pay the road pirate's tariffs~
>>70177119
You can believe that all you want - better than the omnipresent mafia that people think *isn't* a mafia that's around now~
At least they're honest, right?
>>70176932
How do you begin to dismantle the mechanisms of Governance? What is the Next step? Will you be able to convince at least 151 million people to abandon the status quo when there is beer in the fridge and meme's on the computer? How do you move Libertarianism from an autistic thought exercise into actual political momentum. I will help in any capacity I can. What's the next move?
>>70177361
I don't comply and encourage other people not to comply.
>>70177295
so theft and brutality is ok, but as long as people are honest about it?
>>70177441
You think so - you believe might = right
>>70177480
might does objectively equal right
>>70174077
How is that a fair comparison?
>>70177158
>opting out of cool government projects like this
>>70177576
So you've got no problem with Jamal raping you either. Might = right~
>>70177430
How do you begin?
>I don't comply
There you have it. Libertarianism.
You are a faggot, I hope people stop responding to you.
>>70177843
Just because you're too spineless to do something moral doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, nigger-cheeks~
>>70168660
The first thing I would do in an anarchy is hire thugs to murder all the anarchists. Lucky for me, murder would be legal because it would be anarchy.
Once I murdered all the anarchists, I'd set up a police force, and enforce my will upon the helpless fools who don't have a police force themselves because the anarchists convinced them that paying taxes was bad.
Now I'm a dictator, and it was so much easier than taking over a capitalist nation. Good little goyims.
>>70176315
European, milquetoast brand socialism can only exist by virtue of oil reserve money and the U.S.' footing the bill for their defense spending.
They did not account for defense, nor the happiness of their citizens, nor the moral relativism intrinsic to socialist policies, and by extension, the subsequent mass importation of low IQ individuals who've been inculcated with a parasitizing, pernicious ideology. Their socialism merely hinges on the back of capitalism and capitalist states.
Indeed flawed happiness surveys and the highest rate of antidepressant usage around the globe would have you believe that Scandinavia is a utopian ideal. In fact, it is not. European nations are slashing taxes left and right, and right-wing governments are gaining increased support. When Sweden realized their generous socialist paradise was unsustainable, they went on a privatization spree and cut government spending from 67 percent of GDP to less than half.
But Hans, if you like milquetoast socialism so much, don't bother arguing with me! Just move there and live out your dream of Xbox as a human right and 24 hour work weeks! I think you'll find that socialism has a way of repressing the spirit and drive of the individual; indeed I would rather be a poor man with a little less food and a lot more opportunity than a poor man with a full stomach placated by the state under the laughably grandiose, delusional idea that I'm truly happy.
Indeed the Nietzschean perspective of suffering as living applies all too well here. With socialism you rot.
>>70165756
Yep.
>>70178015
>moral
And yet the world deemed it right to have your father killed. How is that morality working for you?
>>70178194
The world deemed it wrong - he'll be judged for it. I'm sittin' pretty.
>>70177695
you're completely mischaracterizing the idea that might = right, it can also be phrased as "the victors live to write the history"
dank strawman tho bud
>>70170891
Actually, since he isn't a faggot anarchists, he has a police force at his disposal, so he can just call the police and they will use physical or economic force to make you clean up the mess that you made.... what are you going to do to stop them? You have nothing, no society, no social services because you refused to pay for them... he wins. Game over.
>>70178135
Fuck Europe let's attack. They're so weak, all we need to do is split it with Russia and they'd roll over and take it up the ass.
>>70178135
>Dual US Norwegian Citizenship
I could, but I want to keep my guns
Forget modern nordic socialism, you called Hitler
>Socialism Scum
Please account for Germany's unprecedented economic rise under the Socialist policies of our dear uncle Adolph. Can you?
>>70165756
It's not immoral, but you passively accepted a loan by using public resources. Ignorance doesn't free you of having to repay it anymore than stumbling on a farm and eating the crops means you should expect to plea to the farmer that you don't owe him for the food you ate.
This is basic fundamentals of civilization and if you don't cooperate, you are not a part of civil society and then you have no rights in it anyway
>>70172031
All law is options backed by force. when will the world recognize the state is the monopoly of violence and just deport muslims?
>>70178346
Jamal raping you must be right; he managed it. Unless you have some objective standard that makes his lust for and ability to take your boipussy wrong, you've got nothing to complain about. Pucker up, whiteboi.
>>70178396
I kill the police and continue dumping garbage - and now police corpses - on his lawn. Good plan.
>>70178278
>he'll be judged for it
Will he? How do you know?
Who will act as judge?
Is judgement even a thing in Libertarian Heaven?
>>70174048
>If he's wrong, he suffers all of the losses involved thus accepting all of the risk.
Wrong faggot, learn to invest. When you take a loss on investments you get to write that shit off.
I'm alright with a bit of tax evasion in protest to the government being fiscally irresponsible.
>>70167368
It is implausible and a waste to attempt to track use. You likely receive more than you pay when you consider that you do not actively have to fear outsiders killing you everytime you leave home
The reality is; you do not have to accept the social contract, but all tax evaders are too much of a pussy to accept the consequences of breaking it
>>70178585
i dont think i can say it another way that will make you stop being such a retard so you're just going to lower discussion to "u like getting raped by niggers lol"
>>70178741
God will judge him - I'm not worried about it. I'm a Christian before I'm anything else senpai~
>>70177361
de-regulation of the economy. slowly lower taxes. stop giving out so much welfare.
>>70176002
>The point is if a citizen tried implementing taxation he would be branded a thief.
Oh really, so I manage condominium associations, and we have an annual meeting to determine if we need to raise (or hopefully not, lower) the budget. The people vote, and if needed we raise the budget (and my paycheck for managing it for them).
This is exactly what taxes are, and I'm a citizen, who provides people with services that they get to vote on and no one calls it theft.
You're a faggot who clearly never took the time to think this through.
>>70178977
>I'm a Christian before I'm anything else senpai~
Enjoy your eternal reward anon.
>>70178939
You're almost assuredly irreligious, which means you're necessarily a relativist, which means NIGGER COCK might as well be your morality, since Abdul and Jaffar's irreverence toward your personal space can't be judged as either right or wrong, only "their culture".
>>70176315
>>70179138
I will!
>>70178532
The economy of Germany recovered from the great depression as did the global economy. This has little to do with socialist policy. Besides, the Nazi party came to power in '33, not '19.
He relied on bank privatization and government spending masquerading as private enterprise in the economy, which put Germany in major debt. Also, he praised socialism to the masses but, behind closed doors, made privatization the ideal.
I repeat, Hitler was -- is -- socialism scum.
>>70179166
>You're almost assuredly irreligious,
Judge not, lest ye be judged anon!
>>70171372
No, we'll have all those, they'll just be run by privately owned businesses.
Zero-reason why the government industry has to be employee-managed. Privatization is coming and you literally can do nothing about it.
>>70179208
>being trapped in a hegelian dialectic
>>70179280
Almost is a qualification fampai~
>>70165756
Taxation is an old school mafia shakedown. Anybody that denies that is just denying the truth. We should tax the least amount of money possible, keep the government small as possible. That means enough taxes to maintain roads, the police, and the military.
Social security, welfare benefits, "entitlement" programs need to go. Poor people can live off charities from churches. They just need to be ready when people judge them when they have children out of wedlock.
>>70167515
>>70167384
Yes that is the reality of the world we live in. There has been progress and you now have a say in how the mafia operates as opposed to be subjected to any whim of the dominant power as our ancestors lived.
You can deny the reality of power structures as long as you want, but you're living in a world that structurally creates them and this one isn't terrible. You can improve the situation or you can cry like a little bitch that reality is unfair
>>70165756
Ideally people wouldn't be in a position of evade.
Buying local and non-corporate would resolve this
> But muh globalization is good
> But where do all of the people we just imported work?
> But how do we cater for a population bigger than what we can produce?
>>70178669
>K, now swat shows up, they kill you, and I sue whatever estate you had for your belongings. Now your family is sad and angry with you, your legacy is infamy, and you're dead. I'm alive, enjoying the things you used to enjoy. Thanks for playing. Maybe you should have just left to the Amazon when you had the chance... oh wait, you didn't, because you don't want to live somewhere with higher degrees of anarchy because those places all suck.
>>70179368
Muh ROOOOOOOOOOOOADS
>>70179368
>Poor people can live off charities from churches
Not just nipping the problem in the bud.
>>70165756
You can't expect me to believe a nigger said that
>>70179514
I kill the swat. Add swat corpses to the list of what I'm now dumping on your lawn~
>>70178135
>Socialists take anti-despressants that's why they rank so high UNLIKE THE US
kek
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-rise-of-all-purpose-antidepressants/
>>70179613
>>70171094
can't do the former legally
>>70179538
What are property rights?
Okay then, let's have no roads or bridges that make it possible for you to get to work. Let's have no public schools so the majority of American children become skill-less criminals that have to thieve their survival or die trying, putting tons of Americans at risk. They could at least spend their time at the park if there's no school, oh, but no, those are publicly funded too. Everybody likes parks, so it'll sure suck when those are closed down. Let's cut all social programs that keep our society running relatively smoothly in exchange for massive poverty, chaos, disease and death.
This is not all worth keeping a little extra money on your paycheck.
>>70165756
Tax evasion is the last great American pastime.
It is our duty to give to those leech cocksuckers as little as possible, and preferably nothing at all.
>>70179782
Do you know?
>>70179753
The top 5 users of anti depressents are all extreme northern nations that experience shortened, dark days were the sun fails to rise effectively, causing Season Affective Disorder, and Australia. How else were the Aussie's going to deal with being trapped on an Island of nonstop Banter and poisonous animals of all shapes.
>>70167368
you sound like the kind of faggot who doesnt buy health insurance but gets pissed when they break a leg fighting in a gay bar
>>70169255
>Newton was wrong about chemistry because he believed in alchemy
If you start from a false axiom and derive conclusions from it, it is approriate to question any claim which is derivative of it. People who think otherwise never progress in knowledge, like the pythagoreans
>>70165848
>muh social contract
>muh implicit consent
>muh if you don't like it move to Somalia
>>70165756
Tax evasion is your duty as an American.
>>70180079
>buying health insurance
>>70180203
Well if you don't like the government, change it
>>70180244
Sucking dick is your duty as an American~
>>70165756
anarchy is unrealistic, fairy tale, utopian bullshit.
What do you think would happen, if you just got rid of borders, government, and police? It's not standing armies you have to worry about defending your small ass community from, because I imagine you still assume you would be nation wide. but no, society would regress. We need our "cage", as stefan would call it, to freely roam around and build, with unifying factors like currency and law.
How do you plan on stopping the hordes of retards that are not peaceful anarchists who plan on coming to free land because they want release from their shithole and because no rules?
Mexico would spill over into North America. You think they care about morals and ethics? so what do you do, build walls and gated communities? we already have that bitch, it's called a country. our country has social services and you pay a portion or GTFO faggot.
Is government too big? yes. do we need it? yes.
>>70179538
But still, who's going to pay for all of those roads to be built? A bunch of engineers aren't going to do it for free, and those that do pay will be angry if non-contributors are using the roads. And with the Mississippi river bordering my city and miles of swampland after that, I don't trust just anybody to build huge bridges.
>>70179989
>socialists ITT continue to weasel their way into justifications for theft and overall social squalor
>feel like I'm arguing with my Cubanfag handyman who vehemently defends Venezuelan policies
>mfw
Seriously, arguing with socialists is the worst
>central planning invariably means you will have to ration things, like with food. Captalism provides abundance whereas socialism leaves shortages.
>Yeah but (obscure country) tried it once in (specific year) and there was no surplus or shortage. It's just that true socialism has never been tried.
>>70174048
>implying stock trading should be protected and not taxed like the gambling it is.
>implying de-incentivizing risky market speculation is bad.
>implying contributing to the culture of short trade speculation is some sort of burden for the betterment of society and not the jew-usury that it is.
>implying the costs of regulating and maintaining market infrastructure shouldn't be payed for by the people profiting from it.
>>70179350
>Still not providing a solution to the economic calculation problem.
>Still sucking marx's cock.
>>70167025
>pol/ok becomes dispatcher
>"911? Help THIS GUY STOLE MY MONEY AT GUNPOINT"
>"how black is he?
>"WhHAT?"
>"mam I need a gradient"
>>70171291
dude people that rich, have people under them that are also making bucket loads of money. people at the bottom are going to make bottom scraping levels of cash.
just a reminder that libertarianism means no borders which means mass uncontrolled immigration which means dozens of millions, maybe even hundreds of millions, of third worlders moving into western communities to beg for shelter foods and jobs.
