EU-Ukraine Association Agreement
61,1% Against
38,1% For
32,2% Turn up
>http://app.nos.nl/datavisualisatie/referendum-2016/
previous thread >>70155609
>>70161348
>Yes but why just decide to randomnly open fire on a plane LEAVING the Ukraine?
There's 4 theory:
1) They wanted for a plane to crash at Russian territory, so they could say clearly that Russia did it, muh sanctions.
2) They were thinking it was Russian/Putin's plane.
3) CIA operation for muh sanctions.
4) Misfire. Not like it's the first time.
But we can ignore 4th theory, because there were Ukrainian jets at that place and time, and Ukraine not showing radars data and flight control recordings.
>Especially knowing the rebels did not have an airforce.
>They still believe that they at war with Russia
Ask Ukrainians, why they deployed Buks there for. It's an Autism country after all, who knows what they were thinking.
>There were reports of cargo planes shot down, higher than 2 km altitude.
4-5 km at most if I remember right. That's the celling for available manpads.
>Most probably by BUK missles
Yeah, because Russia is ebil and wanted to shut down some civilian planes for shit and giggles, and/or all operators were drunk and didn't paid attention to radar data at all.
>>70163609
Let me get this straight.
This was a vote to decide if UKR joins the EU right? And it was voted no?
Is it Netherlands only, or does the whole EU have to vote too?
>>70164005
that, or you just shouldn't arm cheeki breeki's with air-to-ground missiles only to have them shoot down a civilian airplane in your proxy war, you filthy slavnigger.
Kut Groningen
>>70163609
Can a toothpaste pls explain
>al die studentensteden groen
Wat gaan we aan het studentenprobleem doen /polder/?
>>70164082
Not a vote on joining the EU, we'd have probably seen WW3 by now if hat was ever proposed.
This is about "closer ties" with Ukraine, not actually joining the EU.
The Prime Minister said he would consider acting on the result if over 30% turn up. My bet is that he backpeddles like a cunt because "It's only 32%! That's basically 30!"
>>70164382
Wachten tot er een terroristen aanval is op utrecht en amsterdam centraal dat de red pill door hun strot zal douwen.
>>70164257
amen
>>70164082
No, it was only a (non-binding) referendum for the Netherlands whether or not we wanted to associate with Ukraine. It's basically like pic related.
I think the EU has enough countries as it is. Why are they trying to add more? Especially ones that are pretty poor right now and will no doubt be a complete drain and waste of resources/money
>tfw made my entire family vote no
>>70163609
Eurobros, what is the racial makeup of the green areas
>>70164005
>There's 4 theory:
5) To watch the fire rise, brother.
>>70164871
White as fuck
>>70164871
Some are sandnigger central, others are marxists.
Wait, do people actually live on those islands? I thought on a high tide most of them are engulfed by the sea.
>>70164871
Amsterdam, not so white, the ones to the east are white places though
It isn't necessarily a reflection of racial make up, or Flevoland would've been green as well as larger parts of the Randstad
Post how based your gemeente is
>>70164250
Or you just stop being in denial.
>>70163609
>turn up
lol fucking euro fags
>>70165029
A couple thousand on the smaller ones, on Texel there's 13 thousand
>>70165304
Must be pretty cramped
>>70164703
because they want to stick it to russia, this is politics they dont give a fuck about the best interest of the common eurocuck
>Eurocucks voted to not add a nation currently under siege to their little club because if they did it would cause their sed club to collapse since they would not go to Ukraine's aid and the rest of the EU would gtfo when they realize that literally nobody except France and Germany being invaded would ever warrant a reaction from the EU.
You pieces of shit deserve to be turned into a Caliphate like you are
No sympathy for you at all
>>70165482
>the netherlands is all of the EU
k den
We really fucked them up
>>70165482
It wasn't about adding 'Ukraine to the EU' and it barely was about Ukraine at all. It was a protest vote against the European Union, not in defense of it.
Hence why Farage loves this so much
>>70165404
> they want to stick it to russia
stick what?
>>70165482
>he thinks this referendum was about Ukraine and not domestic politics
clap clap clap
>>70165074
I may not live there anymore but I'm happy.
>>70164005
inept Russian soldiers shot it down. and like you said, they were most likely drunk. End of story. Russia had a whoopsy, who cares
>>70165906
Let me see all those satellites and radar data, if it's true. Oh, wait, its" classified" because "we can't hurt Russia so much", amrite?.
>>70166159
everyone knows hohols shot it down and planned on distracting everyone from it by giving the Russians obscenely retarded theories as to why they shot it down
>>70166351
Everyone knows that this resulted in sanctions, disastrous both for Russia and EU, humongous anti-russian hysteria and NATO/US bringing more troops into Europa/closer to Russian borders.
>>70165074
heya
>>70166351
ENHANCE
ZOOM IN FURTHER
WE CAN SEE PUTINS REFLECTION IN THE FIGHTER WINDOW
Daily reminder that Geert will rule the world.
>>70166946
Invasion of Ukraine resulted in sanctions, the plane was just the last drop. What does NATO troops have anything to do with this garbage, you do understand that your country has nukes and so does NATO so it is an endless stalemate you stupid slav.
>>70166351
What did the investigation team said about those pictures? I remembered Americans denying Russia's satellite pics or something. And the Dutch investigation team said that it was a buk system
>>70167476
And precisely because both sides have nukes the future will be decided in a conventional war. Nukes will be a coup-de-grace.
>>70167476
>Invasion of Ukraine
Stopped reading there. Stupid estopoke still didn't catch up with reality.
Porky caught in corruption scandal and now this. Ukies so butt hurt this week. It is coming down!
>>70167221
>>66666666
>>70000000
>>70167887
>Nah it was ze russian people in ukraine demanding autonomy!
>>70164703
This.
Greece raus, Bulgaria raus, Italy raus, Spain raus, Romania raus and any other shitstate that I'm forgetting that are unable to carry their own weight. Make some shitty EU 2.0 for them while they sort out their shit tier policies and corruption.
>>70168004
You almost sound like you making some progress.
>>70168004
It was literally Soros
>>70164737
Good job dutch bro, proud of you
>>70168004
It was and they got it. Look at Donetsk and lughansk Kiev doesn't control them anymore
>>70166351
This was determined to be a shit quality fake.
The Dutch investigation determined it was a Russian made BUK.
There was a Russian BUK in the area, that was transported out immediately after the plane fell.
There are recordings of the proxies celebrating a successful shooting down of another Ukrainian plane before they realized it was civilian.
Russians will keep demanding "proof," it's been fed to them by RT and TASS. They need a signed, notarized and apostilled letter from Putin with finger prints and DNA samples.
Based Netherlands.
This is good news for Brexit.
>>70168488
We have parts here in Estonia where the russians are a majority, That does not mean that they have any kind of right to demand autonomy, especially the intervention from a foregin country. Do not like it? Leave, very simple.
>>70167887
No one likes your poorly re-written version of history, Ivan.
>>70163609
better order some electronic voting machines
>>70168929
If the majority wants it + it has Russian history why not? If it's for example Africans in your country that want it than I could understand it but it's not like the balts have that much history. I bet If you got annexed tomorrow by Russia no one would miss you
So edgy, Vanya
>>70165129
There's precedent, you know.
Well done dutch lads, i wish you could see all that hohol buthurt, when they realised you dont want to see them in Europe.
>>70168929
Oh, you are so wrong.
Don't like it? Maybe you will like protests and armed insurgency?
>>70170842
90% of the dutch probably learn about Ukraine today. They're just want to say "fuck you" to EU.
>tfw
Thanks Dutchbros.
>>70171256
Oh please. Everyone already knows about Ukraine - that it's a failed soviet satellite state with corruption bursting at the seams.
The only difference with Ukraine politics and Russia politics is that Russia's corrupt as fuck political structure is centered around a cult of personality, whereas the corruption in Ukraine literally flows in the veins of every single male over 18 in that shithole.
>>70166351
>yfw you realize the airliner is either the size of a small city or in low orbit
>>70164472
It doesn't matter, it destroyed their mandate.
They'll be afraid of spending any significant money in the Ukraine now even with the treaty in place. Letting them borrow more money than the Greeks with less chance of paying it back was the plan.
>>70170981
Stage 5 feels so refreshing doesn't it?
Quick, somebody hit me with the British Peppe crashing the EU plane with Germany trying to get in.
The student cities are green, Groningen, Amsterdam, Wageningen, Leiden. Seems like sensible people voted for!
>>70173175
And Utrecht. And the rich areas like Bloemendaal and Hattem*
>>70171256
We also know them as the assholes holding our stolen paintings hostage (also 17 paintings from Verona Italy).
>>70173175
The universities with sensible people are in Enschede, Delft and Eindhoven ...
>>70174059
No those are technical uni's, people who don't know anything about what's going on outside their own little lives.
>>70173175
It's a known fact that most young 20 somethings in Uni lack the ability to think for themselves and just follow fads. After you leave Uni, you realize this.
>>70174336
The big fad atm is the anti-EU anti-treaty populism mr Leaf
>>70174417
You seem a little butt hurt hohol.
>>70174896
I don't mind the no vote because all it will lead to is a slight adaptation to the political part of the treaty. Probably some guarentee for no EU member candidacy for the next X (20?) years and scrap the line about military cooperation, et voila.
>>70170981
Now now you just stay out of Estonia and all will be fine. We need our "southern Helsinki" to get cheap booze. Also we kinda like them so go somewhere else with your protests Ivan.
>>70168631
>Russian made BUK
Only Russia makes BUK missiles. Where do you think the Ukrainian army got theirs from?
Fucking autists.
>>70174267
Their own little lives, surrounded by a ton of foreigners and a significant amount of Jews (mostly Wilders voters).
Unless you are living alone and avoid all non study related matters it's a diverse environment.
>>70168929
Then don't be an idiot and ban the Russian language like Ukraine did with Crimea.
Make it so that they get to keep their Russian culture but remain Estonians. That way you won't piss them off to the point they want to leave. Especially if the quality of life in Estonia is better than Russia.
So basically the dutch people said they don't want relationship with Ukraine?
Is it a big deal?
>>70178103
Well the Ukies kinda turned their country upside down over the promise of getting free dosh from the EU, so yeah.
>>70179296
Wasn't that more like... Russia doing typical Russian things to other countries?
Sorry if I sound utterly stupid, I'm kind of sleepy.
>>70179791
No it wasn't. Get some sleep.
>>70163609
>be Dutch
>want BBC
>don't want Ukrainian qts
TOPKEK
>>70180922
It's all about telling the EU to fuck off, no one wants niggers/shitskins over Ukrainian women.
>>70180922
Even with the treaty they weren't going to get asylum, supposedly their war there isn't real enough for it.
>>70181830
they could get visa free
>>70164005
WHERE IB DAH PROOFS :DDDDDDDD
>>70168488
>Look at Donetsk and lughansk
their life is hell, most young people lest those shitholes
>>70181794
I'd annex their Crimea's ;)
>>70181934
Not a working visa, mostly useless for them.
>>70176187
Yes Ukraine has the same systems.
Ukraine did not have any in the area. Not was Ukraine shooting at airplanes.
In fact, Ukraine had air superiority at first. Until, that is, Russia provided the anti air capability.
You are fucking delusional that Ukraine shot down a plane for "provocation."
The proxies were shooting down Ukrainian planes and helicopters regularly. With equipment they "stole and pillaged," right?
You are so thick.
>>70177048
It's like you get all of our information from RT.
Ukraine removed Russian from the official language. They made Ukrainian the official language. You know, for government forms and shit.
Literally no one gave a fuck. Russian was not outlawed in any way.
Idiot.
>>70163609
>30% turn up
>majority agianst
I say a job well done. Now what's left is to watch how the Brussels jews the Dutch into obeying it anyway.
>Ukraine
No such country.
>>70168631
The plane was actually shot down by pro-russians but was intentionally instructed to go in a know war zone by the air controller. Flight instructions given by air control were never made public, ever since they got it on tape from the black boxes.
>>70185258
>USA
no such country
>>70165482
This referendum was really a fuck you to the EU.
>>70185915
>canada
>>70186179
>France
>>70181934
Only tourist visas, most Ukrainians are too poor for tourism.
>Netherlands
>Literally the lowest of lands
>Spend 40 million euros to get barely 30% of the population to vote for some retarded economic deal that they can do nothing about as a single and small state
>Somehow this is a big fuck you to the EU just because the faggots who cared to vote didn't want more greasy situations
>OP literally says "Soros btfo"
I can't laugh enough
>>70168631
>>70164005
>>70166351
>>70166159
The Russian 53rd AD Battalion (Kursk) operating out of Donetsk shot it down.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/10/08/mh17-the-open-source-evidence/
>muh Russia didn't shoot it down
yes they fucking did.
>>70163609
>direct democracy
>good
While I like the EU-Ukr association agreement, I can see why people don't wanna enlarge the EU.
Best they could do is have a free trade deal with Ukie and allow for integration into security/intel umbrella while withholding EU membership until their economy won't devalue the Euro and until corruption/crime is low enough. Schengen would be a different thing alltogether and that might take a couple of decades.
TLDR: they should be part of the EU, but EU should increase its pre-requisites for membership while slowly increasing integration with the applicant nation.
rapid expansion is what broke the EU, not overexpansion.
>>70187026
How about you fuck off you dirty fucking leaf.
>>70187102
>Caliphate of cuckistan telling me to fuck off
i'll call the islamic police on you for not using Halal insults
>>70187298
>Supports the EU
>Thinks he is not the kebab
Kill yourself leaf.
>>70187344
I support economic and security partnership.
EU at most should be that. I said Schengen would take decades because by then the economy will be good enough for people not needing to move.
Still, borders can be closed or modified inside the Schengen, just look at Hungary.
>>70187344
you're projecting m8. Maybe you should talk to your Imam over the anger issues you're showing.
>>70164358
holly shit, it's looks like toothpaste! i'm going to the bathroom to double-check.
>>70164358
Not exactly joining but an association agreement which is close.
>Is it Netherlands only, or does the whole EU have to vote too?
Only the Netherlands because in the netherlands they have a law that if enough people signs a petition against an enacted law a (non-binding) referendum on the measure.
>>70186121
so... what's their beef with EU?
>>70188125
Them letting in millions of Muslims?
>>70188186
was there any member of EU in support of letting fresh kebab in except for Germany?
>>70188351
Sweden and France.
>>70188381
it EU anything like our Federal govt?
>>70188479
More like the US when it was the Articles of Confederation.
>>70188479
nope. Its a very shitty confederacy.
>>70186595
>Somehow this is a big fuck you to the EU just because the faggots who cared to vote didn't want more greasy situations
EU made it up to us, blame them.
>>70188479
It's complicated. EU has very broad legislative authority but they don't really a strong executive but instead the states are obligated to make EU-law into it's own law and enforce EU-law. This does mean that EU is dependent on the obedience of the member states, it also means that it becomes more obscure what is confederal law and what is national law (unlike US law where federal and state law is clearly seperated). Also member states have alot of direct influence on the EU as the council is made up of the member states governments (somewhat like the U.S. senate used to be.)
Watch all the fatarsed Americans start shilling against the Dutch now.
>>70164005
>CIA makes mistakes
>drunk russian soldiers don't
you should fix that inconsistency in your shilling ivan, take notes
>>70186882
>believing belingcat shill's
the only country in the conflict with a track record of shooting civillian airliners with buk missiles is ukraine
>referendum to fuck over ukrainians
>no referendum to stop the mudslime invasion
europe is truly cucked
>>70191506
Would be quickly stifled as naytsiss and raysiss.
>>70163609
UKRAINE BTFO AGAIN
I'm little late to the party, but I think I just creamed my pants
>>70163609
Is it just me or does your country look like a fury version of Donald Trump?
>>70191092
>I believe Russian state run and funded media over open, publically available sources can be cross referenced
Russia, for god's sake, please annex Ukraine into the Russian Federation so we don't have to focus on this shit anymore. You've done it before, you can do it again.
You guys should see ukranian forums right now. So much delicious hate and tears.
I especially love this one - 64% there are prorussian scum, just like in Ukraine, no respect for democracy!
>>70163609
As a Dutchy I'm seriously torn between the results of this vote. At the one hand I think it's actually good to see that we could potentially cause the government to get cucked. But why this referendum fellow countrymen, why for fuck sake?
1. If you have brains you could look at all the pros and cons and see that it could only make us better to accept the treaty. All this hurrdurr about muh Greece is pretty much bullshit.
2. So many people were annoyed by the pure thought of actually voting for this that they didn't. I think the actual results are not generalizable as such, since the desinterested (and none-voting) people were mostly the ones that were fine with the treaty. I know some of you will say that's shit logic, but if you ask around this is true.
3. A decent amount of voters voted no just to piss off the government not even being properly aware of the subject.
4. Dutch hypocrisy is huge in this matter.
>Plane get's shot down by Russia
>Whole country goes balistic
>Blaming the government for not giving Putin the finger
>Have an opportunity to give Putin a finger by going for a treaty with Ukraine
>Vote no
>mfw
As said before, I applaud the fact that we actually showed you can actually cuck the government like this. I would have rather see it being used to for instance get our current incompetent leaders to fuck off.
wait so is this "treaty" meant to result in Ukr getting more gibmedats, potentially from the dutch? i dont understand what is going on
>>70184143
>Literally no one gave a fuck.
Yeah, some armed nazis in masks take over parliament building and first thing they do is forcing deputies to vote russian lang out. Whew, Revolution is a success. Muh democracy is saved! Now imagine how you'd feel watching it on tv being russian-speaking citizen. That's some africa-tier shit right there.
>>70167887
>implying this isn't truth
It was real invasion with thousands of tanks and bombers
Nigel speaking in Holland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X86Qe86snX8#t=46m
(46m from beginning)
>>70192894
I value our money more than giving putin the finger.
You also seem to have missed the entire point of this thing, which is to give the EU the finger.
out of the 66 municipalities in my province (sorta like a state) only 1 is green, and i never liked that one anyway.
My home town is over 70% red
Feelin good.
>>70193183
Are you seriously this dense? You know that about 40 million euros of our tax money was spend on this referendum right. Furthermore, do you even have the brains to comprehend that the EU actually helps us to have the economic wealth we have in the Netherlands now. Of course there are instances when it cost us money, but people seem to forget that the EU actually stimulates our economy as well.
We'll speak again when you're driving around in your warehouse on your reachtruck aimlessly because Maciek and Miroslav are stuck at the border.
>>70193510
>muh 40 million referendum costs
Oh just fuck off. What about the 5 billion euros we give to the EU every year? Or does that not count somehow?
>>70192044
Cui Bono - Who benefited?
Ukraine did. They were the only ones with motive.
>>70192814
Are you talking about dvatch?
>>70188797
Deze manier van redeneren laat ook precies zien waarom jij een nee-stemmer bent. Mongooltje.
>>70165074
Helmond
>only 26,4% turnout
:(
>70,4% red
:)
>>70193510
40 million euro, nikker alstublieft.
Ukraine is a country that's utterly useless, if they want to have more ties with the EU, they'll have to step up their game first and show their willingness.
>>70165391
all of the Netherlands is
>>70193974
Wow your bank account must be a mess.
>Only counts the money that goes out
Please, take a fuckin course economics.
>>70194134
Mooi man, jij komt zeker uit de wilma.
>>70194210
The amount we get back isn't nearly as much as we put in. And I guarantee you, the margin is more than just 40 million.
>>70194210
You're implying that our buying power hasn't dropped like a brick, you're also implying that our unemployement hasn't increased.
Infact, you're sitting in your burning house telling yourself that it's fine.
>>70174059
Breda i aight.
>>70191923
you kinda fucked up my flag there buddy
yea i know its an old gif
>>70194297
>>70194319
Explain our economic growth over the last couple of years then. You wanna fuck it all up again by disbanding the EU? Good plan.
>>70192814
>>70194087
Sometimes I read that site with google translate. But it is often too hilarious.
>>70194660
>because we had economic growth it must have been because of the EU
>>70194660
You value money that much over dignity?
This guy loves to get cucked by the EU.
There are various reasons this becane a no vote.
-revenge for the lisabon treaty
-anti-eu sentiment
-poor representation by our government
-wanting to see how the government will deal with this because it's interesting
-the whole yes-propaganda and sabotage of this referendum lead to no-votes as well.
>>70192814
Some links m8?
>>70195375
>>70194632
Fucked up ur flag again...at least the colors r right tho
>>70163609
Still 38,1% of successfully brainwashed sheeple voted for this shit. Not a great sign. JEWED.COM
>>70194632
Such a tricky flag....
>>70195213
That's a non sequitur and a false argument. What does this have to do with dignity? Furthermore isn't every faggots reasoning here "muh taxmoney to other countries". I'm not cucking up to the EU, I actually think a lot of things are handled shitty. Don't get economics involved tho, cause for that we're better of in the EU.
>>70163609
Soros BTFO
It is sad that Ukraine is dictatorship and nobody made such referendum in ukraine
>>70165482
> Ukraine
> A nation
No such thing.
>>70170365
Ukraine shot down Russian civilian plane in 2001 and wouldn't admit for years. Later Kutchma just said "meh, shit happens". This is common sort of apology you get from cockholes. They're always dindunuffin, until you push them to the corner with facts. And even then they continue "lalalalala not listening, death to all moskals".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812
>>70192436
>Russia, for god's sake, please annex Ukraine into the Russian Federation so we don't have to focus on this shit anymore. You've done it before, you can do it again.
USA+EU tricked them into betraying Russia not once, but twice, so then EU should reap what they sow and babysit those ungrateful shits. We have enough retards in our country already, adding cockholes will make it much worse.
>>70195738
>don't get economics involved though
Thats's the one thing I left out there. None of the reasons I called were economic.
Jij bent echt kanker dom, als je eeuwig door de overheid in je reet wil worden genomen dan moet je in Duitsland zijn.
>>70194152
They have lots of good resources.
Their problem is one of Eastern Europe we hear over and over again.
The shadow of their existence as part of the USSR has fucked them up pretty good and they haven't been able to properly recover from it yet.
Add to that Eastern Europe basically being the south America of your continent and you've got a bunch if nations with potential but no way of culling their bloodlust and an unwillingness to modernize or change their attitude
>>70196250
Love that opkomst though. I'm grateful to those yes voters for helping us reach the 30%.
>>70195738
I agree with you that the Netherlands is one of the few countries that benefits from eu+euro. We fucked over the south big time due to their low currencies att.
But taking in a country torn by civil war... well, no thanks. I also don't want their products, they can promise me the world but not too long ago we found out there was horsemeat in our ikea-balls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_meat_adulteration_scandal
It came from Romania, "eu-originated".
So I'm not very confident Ukraine will deliver HQ goods. Nor am I confident that this is the only fraud-case, just the only one we know about.
Ukrain hasn't got its shit together yet by FAR, why would wan't an instable partner? God knows how long the war will last and pestering Russia will only weaken current borders. On top of that I'd rather just have our country expand trade with Russia, which has a much larger market and has proven to be a decently trustworthy business partner for many years, plus they love our products/intelligence and can pay for it(without puppeteer sanctions that is). Do we want trade or do we want war? Are we that desperate for selling our weapons and obtaining gas/or at least make sure Russia can sell theirs?
>>70192894
>If you have brains you could look at all the pros and cons and see that it could only make us better to accept the treaty.
Great, another pseudo-intellectual rambling. Get fucked, Vincent.
>>70196572
>The shadow of their existence as part of the USSR has fucked them up pretty good and they haven't been able to properly recover from it yet.
Is this the sort of bullshit they teach you in european schools about Eastern Europe? We, slavs, always were like that, long before communism. You, on the other hand, somehow feel superior and more civilized.
My heart is filled with hope.
TEGEN TEGEN TEGEN
Based Netherlands, at least there is someone in the whole EU with balls.
Not that I hate Ukrainians or support Russian imperialism but the US influence in EU needs to stop.
Today is gonna be a good day.
>>70164257
I'm from Groningen and voted no. So did my friends and family from Groningen.
Just liberals sucking D66 propaganda
>all those salty people who didn't vote are now complaining we voted no
Should have voted you cucks
>>70197400
>Some of them didn't vote because they tried to stay below the 30% threshold.
>>70183676
Ukrainian air defence systems including BUK telar and radar systems.
Remember Ukraine has shot an airliner down before as an accident during a training exercise.
My theory is simple. Ukraine did have a fighter in the area, but it was acting as a target for radar to lock onto to test the system and train the crew. But rather than have the system set to training settings, it launched the missile for real rather than a simulated launch. With the airliner in the area, it was the largest radar reflector and the missile went for it rather than the Ukrainian aircraft.
This would explain why the Ukrainian government has refused to hand over primary radar data. Has even gone so far as to say all radar was turned off at that time.
The big problem plaguing the investigation is that Ukraine is part of the investigation team, and only statements all members agree on unilaterally will be released. Rather than treating them as a suspect.
I do not believe Ukraine did this as part of some elaborate false flag. Nor do I believe the Russians could manage to smuggle a BUK system across the border, set it up and shoot down a plane with it and then smuggle it back across. All without anyone noticing.
Not to mention very surprisingly. Without any acquisition radar system? You are firing missiles completely blind without that. Making the system next to useless.
The fact that America keeps saying it has proof Russia did it, but refuses to show it, should tell you something is not as it seems.
It's like me saying I'm a girl and when you say "Tits or gtfo". Instead of posting said tits, I point to a social media account that says "Yeah anon totally is a chick with big tits."
Since when is fucking social media a reliable source on anything?
Stop believing what your government and media tell you and find the facts for yourself.
>>70197534
Did you get to vote?
>>70194053
I'm going to have to agree with you anon. If Russia legitimately did then I believe there would be severe backlash from the international community as opposed to just pointing fingers and le ebil Putin and ruskos
>>70184143
>It's like you get all of our information from RT.
Or you know. I have been following the shit in Ukraine for decades because I have this weird obsession with post Soviet states.
I may also remember a rather good article by Peter Hitchens from back in 2010 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1315318/As-Ukrainians-force-Russians-turn-their-language-change-names-I-ask-Is-worlds-absurd-city.html
You are just a fucking good goy who believes whatever the kike in a box tells him aren't you? Now run off and go give all your money to Bernie you cuck.
>>70183676
>Ukraine did not have any in the area.
>he said, based on fucking nothing
Ukraine was on high alert because they were terrified that Russia might intervene at any moment. There is literally zero chance that Ukraine didn't have active air defense in the area.
>>70165074
Hoorn
>turnout 34,8%
>Yes 33%
>No 66,3%
Pretty good.
>>70164005
Please pay compensation for plane...
>>70197662
How's the weather over there?
Here it's rainy and foggy.
>>70197443
They will use this to say that the referendum is not a valid representation. Nothing will change and the EU train will keep on going untill it's crash sometime in the future.
>>70196662
Thank you my fellow countryman for voicing my views so eloquently. Exactly why I voted 'no' as well. Not because I wanted to give the finger to EU but for all these reasons you stated here.
>>70197835
Ukraine will build THE PLANE and will pay for it.
>>70198254
You would know, your banks are handling most of Ukraine's money anyway.
>>70198254
Sounds reasonable. Just like Mexico, Ukraine caused the problem.
>>70197584
Nope.
Curaçao heeft tegenwoordig status apartus. Dus ik kan jullie verkiezingen niet meer aan meedoen.
Gelukkig was mijn stem niet nodig voor de uitslag die ik wilde zien.
Laatste keer dat ik kon stemmen was Rita Verdonk nog deel van de VVD. Oh and de 2005 EU referendum natuurlijk. Wat een onschuldige tijden die waren. Nooit gedacht dat de VVD zo'n klote partij zal woorden dankzij Rutte. Ik hield meer van Zalm.
>>70197882
Weer is geweldig. Kan lekker iedere dag naar het strand gaan na het werken.
Now quick. Non Dutch people use google translate!
???????
>>70186882
>citing bellingcat
Kill yourself
>tfw this weeks question time being about Brexit and Based Carswell telling everyone how it is
Shame I can't watch it live though.
>>70198487
Are you retarded? The Jews are the yes voters
>>70192894
>Plane get's shot down by Russia
How does that American dick taste like shill?
>>70167476
>Invasion of Ukraine resulted in sanctions
Esti pls. stop, you're embarrassing us. What is CIA, what is Maidan?
>>70198444
>ik hield meer van Zalm
You hield wrong
>>70198626
This bellincat got caught of working with the cia + that virgin loner had it wrong a million times.>>70186882
>>70198755
Some believe Russian soldiers downed the plane. Why? Nobody cares, because they're evil. It was probs rebels because they don't have radars and they took the plane for a war plane. Ukrainian government is to blame for letting planes fly over a fucking battlefield.
>>70198907
>letting planes fly over a fucking battlefield
>telling planes to fly over a fucking battlefield
Fixed. See pic related.
>>70197944
That's the point though. The UK has the referendum soon and a number of member states have elections in the not too distant future.
Your government ignoring this will only increase anti EU sentiment across the EU as a whole.
Apparently, Russian intelligencia opposition believes that NO was a result of Putin's propaganda and people actually giving a fuck about Ukraine. They can't even believe that such thing as euroscepticism even exists.
>>70198797
Ik was jong en naïef.
>>70198806
Bellingcat hasn't taken his fat ass outside of the UK once. He doesn't even speak Russian or Ukrainian. He has no military or technical training, he is a failed journalism student. Anyone taking his word as an expert testimony is an idiot.
>>70199149
>(((Russian intelligencia opposition)))
>>70199149
Which Russian intelligencia is this? The ones that love Putin? The ones that hate Putin but love Washington? Or the ones that hate Putin and Washington?
>>70199161
Precies maar ondanks dat hij al zovaak fout zat en gesnapt is met samenwerken van het CIA geven ze hem hier in Nederland gewoon nog aandacht en zeggen ze "dit zijn de Russen die hoogst waarschijnlijk mh17 neerhaalde"
>>70199149
The majority of every West European country don't like Ukraine. Can't talk for balts or poland/hungary/romania etc since they may have a different opinion about this threaty.
The only reason we had to talk about this is because our stupid leaders signed something without us knowing.
>>70199298
Putin is more popular in masses, I'm talking about Washington-rooting guys
>Mfw Porky thinks he can have a say about what we should and shot not do
>Mfw Britain will get out of EU, nexit
>Mfw South and East Europe don't get free billions anymore
>Mfw Porky just joined a union when the strongest members just left and now there's no cash for him and his country left
Is ukraine the most pathetic country on earth
>>70199351
Nederlands nieuws is van ongelooflijk slechte kwaliteit. En de praat progammas nog meer.
>>70199480
Ah, the stupid people that can't even win a single seat in the election.
It's almost like the Russian people remember what the 90s were like when they were in power.
>>70199537
>have three revolutions against political corruption
>each time replace the politicians with ones even more corrupt
Yes. I think it's safe to say that it is.
>>70199149
We don't like Putin, we don't like Ukraine, we just like trading flowers and cheese for gas.
>>70166351
This is fake. Most likely was accident by russian-backed rebels. One of them even posted on vk that "we shot their bird down" or something. Obviously shit their bricks instantly afterwards and pin blame on ukraine.
Ukraine should not be joining EU anytime soon though, they are corrupt as fuck and need to sort shit out (which likely won't happen as long as jewish billionares are in charge).
Let's dance guys.
Cheers comrads!
>>70199768
Fuck off with your shitty crayon pop.
>>70199768
Why is she wearing a couch?
>>70167221
it is known
Wilders is speeching in parliament right now, BTFO the Justice minister.
http://www.npo.nl/live/npo-politiek
>>70165074
>67.7%
I'd say rather based.
We've had roughly the same number in 2005.
>>70181794
>pic
4/10 in Russia.
>>70199637
They never actually were in power, and many of 90s shit was mostly caused by Soviet Union not being transformable at all. As for late 90s, Gaidar's measures were right on paper, and nobody knew how to execute it properly (I think Poland tried doing same stuff knowing about our mistakes and succeeded).
However, this new generation is just pure shit. 90s guys were thinking what to do with Russia, but current ones can only think about overthrowing Putin, with no creative part to their beliefs at all. Had they been elected, they'd probably go for gay marriage legalisation and then call it a day.
>>70199537
>Is ukraine the most pathetic country on earth
Oh man. So hard to say.
Bolivia has had 80 presidents in 191 years of independence. That's nearly a president every 2 years. (Props to Bolivia though for killing Che)
Argentina is such a shit country it's economy defies all models. They of course also got butt blasted in many wars.
>>70164871
Mostly large concentrations of students.
>>70200098
whoops meant to add: racial demographics probably aren't responsible for the yes-votes there, just naive/sjw young people voting with their feelings
>Dutch people vote No
>Dutch government decides Yes anyway
Mindless sheeps thinking their opinion matters
>>70199637
RARE
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>>70200194
It's the Netherlands but tropical.
>>70199992
From what I gather, most Russians also don't like that these opposition groups got close ties to foreign officials and receive money from foreigners like Soros or even the US government.
>>70164005
>>Yes but why just decide to randomnly open fire on a plane LEAVING the Ukraine?
>Who are you?
>It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan
>>70200175
Slept okay, friend? I foresee another day of you posting the same shit again.
>>70200175
>Mindless sheeps thinking their opinion matters
If the government ignores the will of the people, then a call for a referendum to leave the European Union like Britain has coming up will be a reality.
>>70200293
But why are you so stupid?
>make referendum
>non binding
That's the ultimate cuckery
>make relationship with woman
>non binding
>>70193510
Het gaat er om dat het financiële plaatje niet belangrijker is dan culturele normen en waarden.
Are you in favour or against emptying your wallets for 45 million refugees?
>>70194660
Normen en waarden gaan altijd boven geld.
>>70200492
The point is that if they now say that don't care they will be utterly destroyed by the opposition
>>70200757
I bet there was one idiot like you who said the exact same thing after the Lisabon treaty referendum
>>70200492
I think you're a bit confused as me personally didn't set up the rules for referenda here.This is just another small step to hopefully dismantle the EU as it is.
But please go on posting the same shit over and over again. You really make people think.
netherfaggots still butthurt their plane was shot down?
>>70200891
What's your plan about dismanteling the EU? Make another non binding referendum?
>>70201064
I guess not as no-voters are assumed to side with Putin. Thanks for your contribution.
>>70201218
Why the fuck do you care so much Switzerland? You are not even in the EU, shut the fuck up.
>>70201218
Murdering Merkel
>>70201064
It's because people don't want another Greece. Why waste millions of dollars on corrupt shitholes?
tfw convincing a friend to vote no, and that made the difference of having one vote in favour of no in his town
>>70163609
Good for Ukraine. At least they won't get culturally enriched
>>70201271
Why do you care, you are not even in Europe. Go play your didndido Aborigine faggot
