Since the staggering success of the referendum last night about the EU-Ukraine treaty in the Netherlands, that resulted in a massive NO (against) with 61% of the votes, there is already a new referendum being petitioned. This new Dutch referendum will be about TTIP and CETA.
Today there have already been online 72372 signatures collected. 600.000 are needed. Where are my Dutch bro's at? Sign the petition.
https://ttip-referendum.nl/
bump for SWEET DEMOCRACY!
>>70205147
>democracy
>non binding
Find a flaw
Can't wait to post on here when the government ratifies the deal. Dutchmen faggots BTFO
>>70205509
In which case they commit political suicide and will be voted the fuck out in the coming elections.
We still win.
>>70204932
>staggering
really about 68% didnt give a shit about this thing and you are talking about it like it would change anything
baka
>>70204932
I'm gonna. I study in Nijmegen, all my friends from the fraternity voted yes and called me and some other guy dumb.
They went on how no-voters are retarded and don't know what the treaty is about. Then they go on about how its just trade even though the first 10 pages of the treaty talk about immigration, security and war tech. Yes voters act like they know shit, but their only real argument is "no voters are dumb boo hoo"
>>70205509
First post and already you have the non-binding in it. Great job, you had about 12 posts either with non-binding referendum or a retarded analogy for it in them in the last thread.
Who's paying you to shill this hard? Are you riding Juncker's cock as we speak?
How much time do you have to collect those TTIP signatures?
>>70205509
Newsflash: The Dutch cabinet collapses
>>70205509
Are you baiting or dense? The pvv would gain 20 seats in 1 day if they did that.
>>70205555
Oh great, the bergjew is back. People didnt care about your shilling in the last thread, just go away.
>>they just dont like when you break the cirkle jerk
>>70205509
You are like barneyfag, just with the dutch
>>70205509
You sure are persistent, huh.
>>70205553
>we'll just get cucked until the next elections
>we hope that something will change if we vote someone else
Just like Amerifags before every presidential election
Wow you are fucking retarded. The name of the politican might change but the idea won't. You think these paid politicans give up that easily?
>>70205733
lets see how long this thread will be up, who cares if the netherlands does something or not, who cares ? Exactly no one.
Mijn caribïsche vinden zwarte pieten en sinterklaas leuk, ze zijn echt goed met surprises maken, al dat opgeblazen gedoe in de media, jeetje wat een verspilling van tijd
>>70205867
vrienden*
>>70205836
Are you the "lol who cares about Südtirol" fag from last thread?
>>70205819
if you have nothing better to do get the fuck out you cunt.
I thought the Swiss were good people, seems like I was wrong. You have a case of, nationalism and independence for me, but not for thee
>>70205509
t. mountain jew
>>70204932
I'd sign it if it'd help, Nederbroertje. God speed.
>>70205147
Feels like I'm living in something that comes slightly close to a democracy for the first time in a long time.
>>70204932
Why 600.000 this time?
>>70205952
ITT: weed faggots jealous of Swiss democracy
Switzerland:
>make referendum
>ACTUALLY BINDING
>>70205675
> implying all VVD voters going to PVV is a bad thing
> implying SP + PVV parliament wouldn't be viable then as SP wins the left voters over.
>>70205897
it was not about who cares about suedtirol, it was about that they didnt bitch around 50 years and claiming how unfair everything is and was, it was about how they did the best out of the situation and are one of the strongest parts in italy now. That would be the same as the republika srbska in bosnia for example. This guys are bitching around and say that there are boarders and stuff instead of just build up their own thing.
>>70206050
Aaaah there it is
"lol our refferendums r better tan urs"
>>70205603
That's just how most people are, really. The media and a lot of politicians were in favour of the treaty, so it's just easier to be in favour of it yourself, too. That way you're part of the group, don't have to explain your reasoning (your echo chamber won't question you anyway), which you wouldn't be able to since you have no arguments, and you can just upload your stemfie (a selfie in the voting booth) to Facebook so people can see you're a good person.
Signed.
>>70205675
wew lordy would that be a day to celebrate.
>>70204932
weeaboo
>>70205555
The 30% that did show up represented the whole country smartass, just like parlement does except on larger scale and by citizens.
>>70204932
Wanneer stemmen We? Hopelijk gebruiken ze het niet om zwarte piet te verwijderen.
>>70206050
Come on mountain jew, leave him. Your democracy is better than ours yeah, but we're too pussy to do anything about it currently. Maybe one day we'll live in a better system like yours.
>>70204932
mofos are on a roll
>>70206139
>our refferendums r better tan urs
maybe the are not better but more effective
>>70206183
30% represent the whole country ? Really ?
You just compared a referendum which is in reality not affective and has no legal consequences, with a voter, where more than 90% are voting people to represent them ? You should definitely pass the weed anon
>>70205894
Dat is niet de enige fout in die tekst, mattie.
Evil triumphs again)))))
>30% represent the whole country ? Really ?
What I think Dutchanon meant is that the other 70% had the chance to get off their arse and have their voice heard and still didn't take it. And that they shouldn't complain if the 30% who did go and vote don't represent them.
>>70205801
>>70205810
>implying he isn't right
>implying he isn't a role model autist for all of us
>>70206139
Is it even a referendum if it's non binding?
It was actually just a poll, no idea why you call it referendum.
Wanneer kunnen we kanker uit de samenleving weg stemmen met referenda? Eerst Quincy Gario en daarna de PvdA.
>>70205553
>be a tiny weeny dependent nation
>win
Heh, can't wait for the EU to disappear so you fools can see what you wrought.
>>70206069
Why do you think I voted no?
>>70204932
>>70205147
''Massive'' only 32 percent turned out making the referendum barely legal lel. Keep in the delusion.
>>70206514
>Tiny weeny nation
>that is the main import harbour of Europe.
We'll be alright.
>>70206421
>go to a vote which has no legal value
that would be the same thing as you would call 10.000 people and ask them
>>70206514
>be a tiny weeny dependent nation
Are you retarded? We are one of the bigger countries in the EU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_states_by_population
We are over thrice the size of Norway.
>>70206619
>>70206703
If Germany is next to nothing compared to the world powers, what makes you think the Netherlands are?
>>70206248
After Geert takes power we won't need democracy any more.
>>70206093
They were massively opressed in using the german language in schools and office, and italy tried to exchange them with italians, so they bombed the electrical grid and killed a italian policeman.
What the fuck are you on.
Is that cunt posting that faggy pic with soviet hat gone now?
>>70206514
That makes two of us. No go make the beds for the "refugee" children, Hans.
>>70206843
but they did not bitched around about it a lot. There have been one group, who has bombed away a few electical grids, in over 80 years now. You cant compare that to a war, which was going on in other countries
>>70206300
>30% represent the whole country ? Really ?
"De afwezigen hebben ongelijk." Those who were absent don't matter.
>>70206827
And who exactly is going to attack us Hans?
We have decent historical relations with both the USA and the Russians. Even if we left the EU we'd still be NATO. Who in their right mind would attack us?
>>70206466
You were in the happening thread talking shit when they were voting like 12 hours ago. WTF
>>70206939
>That makes two of us
That's exactly why we are so relentless on forcing you all to cooperate. Do you want to be dictated to by Chinks? Fuck no you don't, once we're gone, both you and the goddamn Russians will want us back.
>>70206971
>those who were absent do not matter
exactly, no one gave a shit about it, because it was just asking, it was asking about the opinion and it was not a vote for something.
>>70207014
There's much worse than Americans and Russians out there. NATO is weak.
>>70206970
>but they did not bitched around about it a lot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Tyrolean_secessionist_movement
You are a fucking retard. And if anythign they should bitch more, as Italy is using them as cashcow to nto become Greece 2.0
But I figure you are from Vienna anyways, so bowing down to foreign invaders inst a new idea to you.
>>70207114
>NATO is weak
Sure is, the US and Russia combined have most nukes on the planet. China wont do things against us because they need to dump their goods here
>>70207196
>Vienna
i live on the boarder to south tyrol
>>70207021
It's someone with a vested interest in demoralizing the Dutchies. I think his nose is as grand as his mountains.
>>70206320
wat doe je in thailand gaap? ladyboys te bezoeken?
>>70207247
Nope, you're just daft. You'll be nothing more than another Tibet.
>poroschenko wipes off the referendum as something insignificant and that the talks is between country leaders and europe
well yeah no shit okrani is going into the toilet
When are we going to get a zwarte pieten referendum?
Serious question
>>70207060
Maybe we could've had a nice little trade union that helped all of our countries prosper, but that possibility has passed. EU's been taking away too much power from member countries, and it's showed an ability to create crises it can't solve. Even though I fully realize that dismantling EU will probably invite massive trouble all over the continent, I would rather see it happen than stay in a union like this.
>>70207695
Never
It's not a law
>>70207695
racist!
>>70207757
They are banning black pete so why not a referendum go keep it?
>>70207821
Germany pls
Someone just got hit with a car in front of my house
>>70207956
They are not banning Zwarte Piet any more than Trudeau is making weed legal.
>>70207956
Die gelbe Gefahr strikes again
>>70208050
Not in Belgium no but here in NL last year there were "kleuren pieten"
>>70208110
thats not banning
thats just adding more colors
the only one who were upset about black petes were a small group of 1st generation surinamers who thought it depicted them
>>70204932
Pathetic negerland child, you would not be allowed to vote on something Brussels do not approve. 600.000 signatures not even would be collected in your lifetime. You nederlanders was chosen to bring formal excuse why EU don't want to sign their own agreement, now you can relax and keep on pedaling.
>>70208297
No haven't you been following what they want to do? they are slowly going to replace zwarte piet met felle kleuren pieten because zwarte piet is "racist"
>>70208440
post your most recent artikel
>>70208328
TEGEN
>>70208328
Pardon, why are we pathetic?
This agreement wasn't in our best interest. We don't want to get involved in a proxy war with Russia.
>>70208398
Tell me more about ukrainian satellites and how we hiding images from you. And about paintings our national security agency stole from you.
>>70204932
>CETA
>comprehensive EU-Canada economic agreement
>removing 99% of customs duties & many other obstacles for business
>to boost trade, strengthen economic relations and create jobs
>an expected €12 billion increase for Europe's GDP
So what's the problem
>>70208580
Why are you so angry?
>Juncker is sad about a no but says it has no impact
This is it guys
They said it
Now we go for the nexit
>>70208580
Why should we tell you? I think you need to tell us
>>70204932
Based Netherlands leading the way to destruction of the EU.
>>70204932
We should be careful to not be overzealous in blocking everything the EU wants to do if we ever want anyone to work with the Netherlands ever again. Maybe we should just take the Ukraine "win" and leave at that for a while?
>>70208580
You seem upset. What's wrong? Tell me, bro. I can help you with shit-posters.
>>70208699
You have no idea how long I've wanted to hear someone say that without just referring directly to Geertje.
>>70205603
That's actually how all liberals act, in every given situation.
Are Dutch fraternities liberal??
>>70208583
Corporations will be invited to co-write new laws
The negotiations are conducted in secret.
Food quality standards and consumer protection are weakened.
PAVE THE WAY TO ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT
>>70205509
Butthurt nignog still got sand in her vagina. Cuck.
>>70204932
Getekend.
>>70208583
Economists almost always get the impact of trade agreements wrong.
Also ISDS exist to lock in the current wealth distribution and protect our neofeudal overlords from taxation.
>>70208742
pajeeet, yuo must choose noa
>>70208580
aww, don't be sad, down syndrome, we love you
>>70208742
POO
O
O
>>70208580
Not just from us, your security agency is holding Italian paintings hostage too.
>>70208778
When talking about the economy is all: "vvd all the way, fuck de paupers!". On immigration and humantarian issues its: "Dumb poor people are against this. I'm not because I'm smart and my uni teacher said smart people think like him"
>>70209071
Yeah, of course, there's no other business to do for them. Can you prove this?
>>70207461
Another cucked german who does not know shit about history.
>>70209124
I know this kind of people. They are actually the biggest opportunists you can find. Against immigration if it hits them in their private life (when the gov't sets up an asylum centre in their village for instance) but pro immigration if they can benefit from it (cheap labor force and global free market)
Hang these people. Hang 'em high
>>70208580
The new nignogs of europe.
>>70204932
MARKIE ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>70208328
>600.000 signatures impossible
>collect 73.000 in one day
>it hasn't even hit the mainstream news yet
sure keep crying
>>70208328
Plenty of political parties who are against it. So no worries this time.
Hell yeah boyyss. I might just not have to stay here.
ORANJE BOVEN
Wait, why should we vote against trade with other the US and Canada?
I get Ukraine because it being a corrupt shithole that shouldn't be in the EU and >muh plane, but what would we lose when trading with actual relevant countries?
>>70206320
Leuke vakantie?
>>70210245
Because it requires us to reduce our standards to their retard non-democratic levels
>>70210245
TTIP is not just a trade deal, it will allow international corporations to sue your country if it decides to ban their product.
>>70210245
TTIP is bretty dangerous. The ISDS-proces incorporated in the treaty will scrape out the fundamentals of the nation state even more. TTIP is another stone on the paveway towards a global corporate world government
>>70206834
party of freedom is going to take away your freedom? geert is only anti islam
Strictly speaking CETA has an international court for investment disputes, but it still removes the sovereign right of a nation to do common sense things like tax foreigners more than citizens ... so it's still utter bullshit.
How fucked are the Dutch in comparison to the rest of Europe? How has Geert's party's support risen/dropped over the last year? Do they actually have a chance to lead/do something?
>>70211047
you should focus on america instead anon
>>70211183
fuck a colgate
>>70211047
We're pretty fucked but way better off than Germany or Sweden. Geert's party has been gaining steam but it's still a taboo in higher more educated circles to say you support him.
In my own opinion we need someone that shares a lot of Geert's views but isnt as controversial.
>t. Dutchfag in Japan
>>70208742
I am starting to like your banter.
>>70211442
like pim fortuyn?
>still hyping about a non binding r̶e̶f̶e̶r̶e̶n̶d̶u̶m̶ poll
wow it's literally nothing, go back smoking weed and watching your sisters getting raped
Enjoy paying your tax money for Ukraine after your government ratified the deal
>>70211047
According to polls. Do not say much though, but we will see next year in the elections.
His popularity has increased. The best part, the popularity of the lefties parties has drasticelly dropped.
But we will see next year.
>>70208685
nexit klinkt wel gaaf
>>70211608
Butt hurt nignog go play with your dolls.
>>70211047
this pic is on his twitter oy vey what is on his head
geert is the biggest trap we would fall into total jew control
>>70211569
A Pim Fortuyn with the security of Wilders. Wilders is way more hated than Pim ever was and he's still alive.
>>70210215
Holy fucking jizz
>>70206514
Fuck off, Schulz
>>70207335
Mijn horizon verbreden ;^]
>>70211608
Hah it's the mountainjew again. Go rain on someone else's parade faggot. Everything starts small.
>>70205603
Where are you at, which fraternity?
t. Rattenboutstudent
oy vey
>>70208104
Our Gelbe Gefahr was Operation Fahl Gelb.
Fuck you Germany. Think you dont have to still feel guilty for WW2?
>>70210280
Kanker warm hier
>>70211903
prima, ik beoordeel je ook niet hoor. ieder zijn eigen ding.
>>70209363
The biggest benefit people get from being pro-immigration is the moral high they get when telling others they are.
Waaay bigger than any economic reasons.
oy vey our only hope
ITT: Butthurt faggots who know their poll is meaningless but are now ranting against people who have actual democracy
Stay jealous losers
>referendum
>non binding
That's like a white nigger
>>70212011
Geertje weet niks van de globalist hun agenda, of hij laat nog niks mrken tot hij meer macht heeft, maar bovendien is hij anti immigratie en dat is precies het tegenovergestelde van de globalisten hun agenda dus je theorie is kaduk.
>>70212011
Good, nativism and patriotism needs to be inclusive of Jews if it's to go anywhere
>>70212098
Om eerlijk te zijn Is Thailand weinig aan. Maarja, het ligt op de route.
>>70212148
nice proxy switching faggot
Zien jullie een PVV + SP regering gebeuren?
PVV: Veiligheid & Justitie ,Defensie, buitelandse zaken,binnelandse zaken, Financien
SP: Volksgezondheid ,Millieu, onderwijs
zoiets?
fly that toothpaste flag lads.
fuck these globalist cunts.
>>70212148
I'd still rather be a swamp jew than a mountain jew. And I like mountains.
300.000 right?
>>70212085
Heb je al een schorpioen op een stokkie gevroten?
>>70212216
De sp kan niks, laat staan regeren.
>>70212216
>SP
gibs muh dat
>>70211810
kek, those are just shades m8
But yes, he's American conservative tier pro-israel
>>70212326
Aan dat soort shit ga ik mijn geld niet uitgeven. Doen ze puur om geld te krijgen van dronken Whiteys.
>>70212336
>>70212410
Ik weet dat het een stel autisten zijn met Roemer voorop, maar met wie zal geertje anders regeren? VNL & 50+ & PVDD(dion grauss fixxed dat wel) kunnen toch niet bij elkaar 30-40 zegels fixxen
>>70212148
Stop jerking off to blacked pr0n. It is messing with your brain. Nignog.
>>70212486
VNL
>>70204932
signed.
make holland great again
use this to sign multiple times
http://www.throwawaymail.com/
>>70212166
Implying geert is there to get power his party is there so people have hope where there is none
Where were you when Netherland literally saved the whole world with a meaningless non binding poll?
Me I was checking out how the Dutch government already ratified the deal.
>>70212216
Lijkt me top tbqh. Een beetje SGP erin.
http://www.sgpj.nl/nieuws/1131/SGP-jongeren+dient+klacht+in+tegen+Second+Love
>>70212546
Die mogen blij zijn met 1 a 2 zetels. PVV heeft er 40 absolute max. Waar halen ze de andere 36 zetels vandaan
>>70212440
Ik dacht dat de gooks dat echt aten, heb van een vriend die naar China was gegaan gehoord dat ze daar broodjes bakpao met hondenvlees hadden.
>>70212550
Let's keep it legitimate senpai, don't spam it
TTIP is a commonly hated thing amongst students, it'll probably make it
>>70212594
>Swiss voters knock down a referendum proposal to deport foreigners who commit even minor crimes
Where were you when the Swiss cucked themselves ?
>>70212839
I was enjoying democracy at that time. It's sad that you'll never experience this feeling.
Stay mindless worker sheeps
>>70212433
>>70212122
>>70212011
weird shades in israel
>>70212928
Zegt de wannabe Nederlander.
>>70212122
WE GAAN EEN MUUR BOUWEN
>>70212732
Hond in china, rat in Vietnam en eekhoorn in laos. Maar nergens eten ze insecten hier. Het Is een toeristen ding. Het werkt want elke randdebiel heeft een foto van hoe ze een schorpioen eten om khaosun.
>>70213001
Everyone who speaks German and isn't retarded can understand Dutch
>>70212929
De foto die jij gebruikte was dus niet een keppeltje
Natuurlijk is 'ie pro-Israel, maar dat betekent nog niet dat hij voor het moment niet het beste is wat we hebben.
Zionistische Joden profiteren ten koste van andere landen, daarentegen hebben linkse Joden weinig met hun Joodse identiteit en proberen ze een land van binnen kapot te maken naar wat in hun beeld ideaal is. Het zijn niet dezelfde groepen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-aFYUIKo7M
>>70204932
You can sign online to request referendums? That's nice, wish we had that
>>70213053
>that neck
>>70205952
Nah, man. Swiss people are the biggest cunts in Europe.
>>70212929
Where do people even get these photos? I swear every world leader people shitpost about has been to that wall.
>>70204932
When will Belgium get a legal referendum framework?
Oh right, NEVER because we live in one of the most undemocratic Western European nations and we can't have the people have sovereignty.
>>70213389
>still mad because we don't let him immigrate
We have enough German toilet cleaners already. Try applying again once you have a master degree.
>>70213653
I thought the Swiss were deporting shitskins not importing them.
You eternal negerlanders will sign TTIP, and you will sign agreement with Ukraine, and you will pay your fucking dutch shekels. And it will be good for you. Your cucked peninsula surrounded by USA puppets from south and from east, we not have sentiments toward you cucks anymore, we will enter EU regardless of whether you like it or not and we will shill hard in favour of USA interests. If our american overlords will tell us to go and war you - we will do it with no regrets, just because we can.
>>70213653
Main immigrant languages: Albanian, Bosnian, Bulgarian, Croatian, English, Dutch, Greek, Macedonian, Portuguese, Serbian, Slovenian, Spanish, Tamil, Turkish and Ukrainian.
Ayyyyy lmao
>>70205603
024 nimma gek, meijhorst represent
>>70213753
We are
>More and more Germans leaving Switzerland
http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/arbeitgeber-boss-warnt-antirassismus-kommission-alarmiert-schweizer-ekeln-deutsche-raus-id2262081.html
>>70213775
Go away Ivan you cant have our shekles. We rival jews in frugality.
>>70213852
Then why haven't they deported you Muhammad? fuck off i don't want to see you turn into flying confetti.
>>70213792
We don't care about those. What we really hate are the Germans
http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2014-02/schweiz-einwanderung-deutsche-protokolle
>Swiss are friendly and smile until you open your mouth and speak German. Then there is no smile anymore
>>70204932
61% of 32%… making it 20%. So massive.
I would be angry with the non-voters.
On the one hand, the EU should ask their citizens, on the other hand Putin will be happy to either have the Ukraine still under his dominance or to see the EU losing it's credibility.
>>70214017
According to one of the news things at least, the turn out was so low because most people thought the vote wouldn't result in any action regardless.
>>70213907
I'm 100% Swiss, you island faggot. Mind your own business and go fishing or what ever
>>70214167
>because most people thought the vote wouldn't result in any action regardless
At least the majority is smart than some /pol/ idiots
>>70214384
>fishing
Something the Swiss can never truly enjoy.
>>70206348
This tea set is amazing.
>>70206421
Yep people who actually care about democracy go and fucking vote unlike shitty leftists who only bitch about it. Go Holland, brave land of Rembrandt and Vermeer.
>>70214491
Yeah we take the important business and let subhumans do the hunting and fishing for us
>>70204932
> there will never be a real referendum in Germany
>>70205675
i thought they did the same with the EU referendum some years ago?
>>70214477
However, seeing as the 30% was reached and the against vote was overwhelming, if the government refuses to acknowledge and act on it, the coalition will fall apart. It's already a weak coalition.
With PVV being the strongest individual party at the moment (and only growing when the government goes pro-EU against the public's wishes), it's likely a new early election will be called with Wilders winning a lot of support.
>>70214660
Got to leave the Dutch alone familam they did good on this one.
>>70213775
>Peninsula
Check your geography you disgusting hohol
>>70205509
It robs them of the ability to say "This is what you chose, this is what the people wanted" like they've done for a million other agreements that FUCKED us completely. Yes, it is non-binding but do not underestimate the power of making dirty business practices public.
>>70206348
The tea-pot is pointing Medvedev's way. That means Putin serves him, right? That's a hidden message right?
>butthurt Europhiles complain the result should not be acknowledged because most of the population didn't care enough to vote
>however, EU parliamentary elections have similarly low turnout
>therefore, by their own logic, the Dutch MEPs have no right to represent their citizens
>>70213775
>calls us cucks
>wants to join a union that forces immigrant quotas upon goverment
Look to your fellow slavs and don't fall into the trap like they did you hohol.
>>70208328
Someone's mad about not being able to leech off our money for decades.
Watch out for those russian snipers lol faggot, u gon die bich
>>70214707
Let's say the Dutch government listens and doesn't ratify the deal. What will happen next? You think the EU will crash without Ukraine?
>>70204932
Ik blijf me er toch steeds weer over verbazen wat ik hier iedere dag weer kom doen, linkse rakker die ik ben.
Ik zal nooit jullie rode pil slikken (vanuit mijn perspectief zijn het de /pol/acken die aan de blauwe pil zijn), desalniettemin heb ook ik nee gestemd bij het oekraïne referendem en ook net even getekend voor TTIP, want dat vertrouw ik al helemaal niet.
Blijft grappig hoe ik qua idealen zo'n tegenpool van /pol/ ben maar het toch telkens weer eens ben met het bestaan van de problemen die hier dagelijks worden besproken. Ik heb alleen compleet andere meningen over waar de oorzaken van die problemen liggen en wat een mogelijke oplossing is.
>>70215003
Nice blog.
>>70214985
You think they're not going to try their standard tricks to do it anyways?
If they make a special concession for NL for example, every other country will want a special concession.
"EU must work together" - National sovereignty removed, more power to Brussels.
UK leaves, NL gets referendum to leave, goes.
We might not be that big, but if we leave, the EU has quite a large dint in its financing. Especially with the UK out too.
Suddenly, Germany is paying for everything.
Union collapses.
>>70214864
Putin cannot reach it, it's too far. So it means that uncultured Medvedev drinks tea right from the spout.
>>70211047
We have some of the highest taxes in the world and the least freedom unless you are rich as fuck. Starting a business is near impossible, everything is taxed to death and all the money we do make goes to refugees and jobless people.
If I ever manage to scrounge up enough money, I'm getting the fuck out of here before we're taken over by IS.
Dutch-bros, I can understand your hesitation with TTIP, the American-EU agreement, but we can surely have Canadian-EU CETA right? There's no good reason why our nations shouldn't have closer business ties. I mean, why not? We're just like you, just on the other side of the ocean
>>70215212
>UK leaves
Slow down with the memes now for a minute
>>70215654
because America will go trough you. Stay on your side of the globe.
>>70215687
Brexit is likely, and NL has hated the EU in the same regard since 2005.
Not everything's a meme.
>>70215379
Jesus, that sounds terrible. Come to Anglo lands and taste sweet freedom. The freedom you deserve
>>70204932
Please keep voting against your governments wishes. It wont stop them doing exactly as they please but its more ammunition to prove to Bonglanders that EU is antidemocratic and really just a form of slavery.
We promise to vote BREXIT and crash the union.
>>70215654
"Closer business ties" is usually a code word for "less sovereignty and more power to banks and megacorps".
>all this democracy in an EU country
what's happening?
>>70215735
>America will go trough you
How? What makes you think America isn't already going trough UK, France and Germany?
Why do we have to make the dichotomy anyways, we're developed, western nations. We shouldn't fear each other
>>70215895
Please do your best, how are you so far in convincing your family and friends? What do you reckon will happen?
>>70215764
The UK government didn't even show its true power. You don't know democracy. Brexit might be leading polls now, just wait until the government starts their propganda and trickery. You are fucking dumb if you believe Brexit will ever happen.
>>70216010
You already have a trading agreement with the US that fucks you over, having CETA would allow the US to go trough you indirectly.
>>70213775
>Ukraine going to war
Ayyyy
>>70216010
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/03/quebec-fracking-ban-lawsuit_n_4038173.html
>>70215985
Your country has far more megacorps and financial leverage than mine. I can think of many companies operating in Canada that lead back to NL. If that was an argument, I would be complaining, not you
>>70215895
>Ducht government doesn't ratify the deal
>people use it as a proof how democratic the EU is
>mfw seeing your plan backfiring
>>70215003
>Ik heb alleen compleet andere meningen over waar de oorzaken van die problemen liggen en wat een mogelijke oplossing is.
Niemand houdt je tegen om die te posten, vrind.
>>70208398
small foamy beer
;)
That's like calling someone from North Carolina a religious freak redneck if you translate it.
>>70204932
YES
E
S
>>70216174
Quebec has proven to be a huge pain for our energy industry. They're also blocking pipelines from the prairies, which is fucking us over. I hope Quebec gets sued to shit for their antics
>>70216494
Fracking fucks up your environment, where people live, in the name of big business and making MOAR MONEYZ. Public health is more important then the rich becoming ever more rich.
>>70216255
http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/politiek/2016/04/ec_verdrag_komt_gewoon_af.html
>>70216864
It begins.
>>70216677
>Muh eviornment
>Muh big business
It doesn't though. That's just a meme made up by SJWs who sperg over solar panels. There hasn't been any conclusive evidence that hydraulic fracturing is dangerous. When the evidence doesn't exist, you cant justify a ban. This may be hard to understand as a Euro.
We value health greatly here in Canada, which why some 40% of taxes goes to the healthcare system.
>>70216989
get comfy
I love how there was an immediate call to talk about changing referendum laws today, great to see how pretending to be democratic bites the establishment in the ass and exposes them in the end.
>>70216346
>Niemand houdt je tegen om die te posten, vrind.
Als ik zou denken dat hier een oprechte discussie te voeren was dan zo ik dat misschien wel doen.
Maar gebasseerd op wat ik hier de afgelopen jaren allemaal gelezen heb kan ik alleen maar concluderen dat de meerderheid van /pol/ of bestaat uit trollen, of net iets minder intelligent is dan een platgereden konijn.
>>70206827
What are you bitching about?
Why should we evn care about being a global power?
China and Russia are global powers in certain ways, and India will be one in less than 4 years.
Still i dont want to switch places with any of them
>>70217042
>No evidence
http://www.publichealthjrnl.com/article/S0033-3506%2813%2900241-2/pdf
I'm so glad you Dutchbros voted NO
>>70217394
Having been around that long on /pol/, you'd say that you enjoy being trolled and spending time with less intelligent rabbits.
>>70217095
Im getting really comfy anon, let it burn.
>>70217095
I don't understand how pro-EU politicians can even have the gall to pretend that EU is a democratic and fair system. They're so reluctant to let the European citizens have a say in any political decisions that affect their lives. They must know that a lot of their recent EU projects don't have the support of the people.
>>70217394
Je bent een idealist, velen van ons pragmatist. Ik was een CDA stemmer maar praktisch gezien zijn ze dezelfde shit als de gevestigde orde, daardoor ben ik meer reactionair gaan stemmen en denken. Denk dat het met velen zo is.
>>70217465
This is largely an opinion piece, a recommendation based on public opinion. This is not scientific research
>>70217723
>pragmatist
Dat is iig waar. Ik ben zeer pragmaties en nijg naar een koude en afstandelijke manier van kijken naar zaken.
>>70217531
>you'd say that you enjoy being trolled and spending time with less intelligent rabbits
Kinda yeah, I come hear often when I need a good laugh.
>>70218103
http://www.environmentamerica.org/sites/environment/files/reports/EA_FrackingNumbers_scrn.pdf
Have another sauce
Signed.
Cat's out of the bag, we referendums now.
>>70218241
Ik ben benieuwd. Vertel over je oplossingen, aub.
>>70219747
Hij heeft geen oplossingen, hij probeert interressant te doen met zijn unieke-meningen.png
>>70204932
I'm not sure about TTIP. A leftist public media programme tried to slam it by saying we would use it to screw Third World countries out of a lot of money, and I'm all for that.
>>70220077
Kek, that's the spirit.
But then again you should've voted Yes in this referendum. We would've raped Ukraine of their gas and farmlands.
>>70212216
Ik lach me een breuk als de SP opeens weer anti-immigratie wordt. Dan staan de PvdA en VVD pas echt met de slappe lul in de hand.
>>70213775
That is a seriously edgy image.
That cat looks fuckable, though.
>>70220077
>we
Een klein aantal grote multinationals*
Wij krijgen helemaal niets.
>24h passed
>still hyping about this useless non binding poll
>>70220653
>Dutch enjoying referendum victory leading to butthurt government
>Medpack complaining about butthurt
>>70219747
>>70219952
>Hij heeft geen oplossingen, hij probeert interressant te doen met zijn unieke-meningen.png
Ik zal echt niet doen alsof ik een antwoord heb op alle vragen. Maar grenzen dicht en immigranten eruit is zowiezo geen oplossing. Maar ik zal ook niet doen alsof er geen botsing van culturen is. Natuurlijk is die er.
Globalisatie is een complex process en het gaat waarschijnlijk eerst erger worden voordat het beter wordt. Maar het gaat hoe dan ook gebeuren, of we dat nu willen of niet. We kunnen dus of tegen de bierkaai vechten of meewerken.
Maar een belangrijke eerste stap is denk ik een nodige metaliteits verandering in de westerse politiek. Er heerst daar in mijn mening een foute werkethiek. Zij zijn onze (het volk) werknemers. En aangezien ik zelf een conservatieve werkethiek heb denk ik dat zij zich minder moeten opstellen als leiders en meer als managers (hoe vies ik dat woord ook vind). Wat meer nederigheid tegenover je baas lijkt mij niet verkeerd.
En hoewel het immigratie probleem een echt probleem is is het volgens mij niet het grootste gevaar. Dat is denk ik het (zij het onbedoeld, ik ben niet alu hoedje figuur) de vorming van een nieuwe aristocratische bovenlaag. We moeten immigratie ons daar niet van laten afleiden.
>>70220791
>referendum
>non binding
Nice contradiction
>>70217394
Luister broeder, zo is het wel een zelf-vervullende voorspelling. Sowieso erger ik me een beetje aan die "ik tegen de wereld" instelling. Je bent niet speciaal, en dat zijn je meningen ook niet. Statistisch gezien ben je waarschijnlijk even slim als de rest hier, en andere tot achterlijk bombarderen omdat ze ergens niet hetzelfde over denken is gewoon pure eigengeilerij. Het is een beetje zoals Reddit: Steevast zijn het de posts die zeggen "ik ben vast de enige die dit denkt..." die de meeste upvotes krijgen.
Iedereen is een individu, met zijn eigen unieke kijk op zaken. Het zou me niets verbazen als je meningen prima overéén komen met een boel mensen op /pol/, maar dat je jezelf gewoon blijft vertellen dat de luidste Jood-posts het hele board vertegenwoordigen.
Maarja, het voelt natuurlijk ook goed, je beter voelen dan anderen zonder daar concreet iets voor te hoeven doen. Ik snap het wel.
>>70220653
Are you still here, to do this?
>+$0.02
Effe een herinnering aan all jullie niet oplettende kankermongolen: ISDS is uit TTIP gehaald. Het is vervangen door IAT. International Arbitration Tribunal. Een gerechtshof, met rechter en transparantie.
>>70220888
Grenzen dicht moet kunnen, iedereen eruit flikkeren kan niet, mee eens - afgezien van de 'vluchtelingen'. Globalisatie zal alleen werken als het gebeurt vanuit het volk, en niet geforceerd - ben er dan ook absoluut tegen.
Ja, goh, dat weten wij ook wel dat het probleem bij de politieke elite zit. Godverdomme man, je zegt, met grote omwegen precies wat de rest van ons zegt.
>>70221019
The non-binding referendum is making the current government very butthurt as they have said they will not agree with it as is should it proceed.
Jesus medpack, how much are you being paid for being a retarded shill?
>>70220122
That's different, though. We would have pumped billions into the country, while subjecting more Europeans to the ass-end of the EU like we did with the Greeks. There's also none of the undercutting that happens in EU deals.
Not sure about the specifics, though. But more money is always a good argument in favour.
>>70220591
Belasting. Hebben we hard nodig voor de zorg enzo.
>>70221234
Is just anyone who doesn't repeat your version of the world a shill? Sorry for telling you the reality
>>70221218
Nogmaals, hij loopt interressant te doen
Shoo shoo.
>>70220888
>immigranten eruit is zowiezo geen oplossing.
*criminele immigranten en mensen met een dubbel paspoort die zware misdrijven plegen. Zware misdrijven.
Waarom doen jullie linkse types toch altijd alsof Wilders iedereen met een kleurtje wil deporteren?
Niks mis met aristocratie, overigens. Men leefde nog altijd beter in Liberum Veto geteisterd Polen dan in etnisch conflict land Turkije.
>>70221154
Pidorashka, plz. We all know you guys ready to shitpost entire interwebz for this money
>>70221364
>hur hur means nothing
>hur hur non binding
It doesn't have to be, and you might realize that if you paid attention.
The damage has been done by the vote itself regardless of the outcome.
>>70221034
Dit deed ik vroeger ook. Lastig om je overheen te zetten.
>>70221549
Cuckholes on suicide watch
>>70214686
PVV didn't exist back then
>>70221549
I would say the same to you, but you don't have money for food even, so you can not afford it.
You must do the shitpost everywhere for free.
>>70221034
>Maarja, het voelt natuurlijk ook goed, je beter voelen dan anderen zonder daar concreet iets voor te hoeven doen. Ik snap het wel.
Haha, ja dat is waar daar zal ik niet over liegen en ik snap ook best dat je dit in mijn post leest. Maarja, als ik sommige posts hier lees dan kan ik vaak niet anders dan lachend met mijn hoofd schudden, en ja, dat kan er best wel eens voor zorgen dat ik een bevooroordeeld beeld heb over /pol/. Wat dat betreft ben ik net als iedereen hier bevooroordeeld. Maar speciaal ben ik idd niet.
>>70221218
>Globalisatie zal alleen werken als het gebeurt vanuit het volk, en niet geforceerd
Daar ben ik het volledig mee ens en daarom is een mentaliteits verandering in de politiek ook zo nodig.
>>70221689
Translation on the fun bits?
>>70221689
At least we were offered some kind of agreement, pidorashka
>>70209264
Slava nazi
>>70221612
>hurr durr we saved the world with a meaningless poll
Get sober again, stop smoking that weed
>>70221527
>die zware misdrijven plegen.
Als ze een misdrijf plegen moeten ze er niet uit, dan moeten ze gewoon de gevangenis in. En nu we het daar toch over hebben, ja dat mag allemaal best een stuk strenger, die staffen die we hier hebben.
>>70220888
>Maar grenzen dicht en immigranten eruit is zowiezo geen oplossing.
Wat een verspilling van zulke goeie trips.
Maar goed, daar zit je er dus naast. Het is WEL een oplossing. Het is gewoon geen oplossing waar jij het mee eens bent, maar dan zijn we weer terug bij je special snowflake probleempje. Wat jij vindt is niet gelijk aan hoe de feiten er voor staan.
>Maar het gaat hoe dan ook gebeuren, of we dat nu willen of niet.
Kijk, nu leg je dus het immigratieprobleem voor als iets dat op gang is gekomen door ondoorgrondelijke veranderingen waar wij geen invloed op hebben. Maar in feite is het een politiek beleid dat gewoon al 40 jaar wordt nagestreefd door de partijen die het hoog in het vaandel hebben staan. En er is helemaal niks raars aan tegen een politiek beleid zijn.
Voor de rest kan ik me wel vinden in wat je zegt, hoor. Mijns inziens is het inderdaad de elite die de kijk op de zaken heeft verloren die de hoofdschuldige is aan dit probleem. Daarom ben ik ook zo eurosceptisch, want het is duidelijk dat onze leiders handjeklap spelen voor EU-posities, en daarbij het nationale belang (en dus het volk) in de kou laten staan.
Dit is ook waarom Wilders, en voor hem Fortuyn, zo populair is. Hij is iemand die buiten dat elitaire clubje staat, en daar ook nog eens overduidelijk volstrekt oneerlijk om behandeld wordt.
In feite heeft de verzuiling gewoon weer toegeslagen. Maar ipv langs religieuze lijnen, speelt die nu langs politieke lijnen.
>>70221975
Ok autism plus.
You enjoy your butt plug ID and keep making up things.
>>70205509
fuck off soros
>>70204932
signed it this morning, i hunger for more liberal tears.
>>70221855
>Maarja, als ik sommige posts hier lees dan kan ik vaak niet anders dan lachend met mijn hoofd schudden
Dat heb ik ook met Reddit. Maar dan moet ik huilen.
>>70221019
What's your honest opinion; do you think the treaty will pass or not? Just curious because you keep changing your argument. Sometimes you're going "it's non-binding and nobody's gonna give a shit about the results of this referendum", and at other times, you're arguing "a bloo bloo bloo this referendum fucks everything up for the entire Europe".
>>70221855
>>70222100
Oké, je bent het dus eens voor 90% met rechtse stellingen (zwaardere straffen, meer democratische bestuur en meer vrijheden) ... hoe ben jij ook alweer links?
Links = Economische en sociale tirannie (communisme/socialisme) en je eigen cultuur en waarden verlakken voor het exotische. En natuurlijk crimineeltjes knuffelen.
>>70220791
>we like you a whole lot more now, but we're not willing to admit that yet
We know you love us, bitches!
>>70205603
I live there as well. I don't understand how so called lefties can vote for corporatism and civil war in ukraine and intensifying tension with putin, who is absolutely not our enemy. I think Waterkwartier, where I live, voted no.
>>70221856
Basically, the whole thread is Ukrainians implying that referendum will get insufficient voter turnout, mocking Russians with "THEY HAVEN'T CAME HOME FROM WORK YET YOU JUST SEE IT WILL HAVE ENOUGH VOTER TURNOUT" and anticipating Russian butthurt
Then results are announced and some Russian says "I guess Europeans did came home from work". The rest is Ukrainian butthurt that is still all over the 2ch's /po/
>>70222575
Feels good man.
>>70222175
>making things up
Nice you're starting to use leftist logic. Reality is now made up bullshit. Keep celebrating that non binding poll and your """victory""" mindless sheep.
>>70222428
I'm just showing that no matter what side you look at it from, nothing is changed. This is just typical EU, it was always like that and it will stay like that. These idiots thinking they will change the EU with doodling their opinion on some toilet paper is just hilarious
signed
god damn I'm liking these meme referendums
>>70222457
Links gelooft in maakbaarheid. Dat zit in de kern van het vroegste Marxisme. Het idee dat als je mensen maar hard genoeg aanpakt, ze magisch bepaalde stellingen en idealen overnemen.
Het sociale beleid waar links normaal voor staat is niks mis mee. Maar die mentale homeopathie die ze prediken is gestoord.
>>70205801
He may be fueled by autistic persistence but he's entirely right
>voting on issues to give your government a suggestion instead of deciding
kek
>>70222628
You guys should see what the Ukrainians are saying right now on their own sites about Netherlands
Basically, you all are filthy faggots who smoked your brains away and then were bribed by Putin and you should be kicked out of EU to make place for Ukraine.
So I guess you dodged the bullet
>>70222673
>saving the world
>extrapolated from laughing at government butthurt
You're really new to this aren't you?
>mindless sheep
wew lad, calm down your fight against the man!
>>70222164
>Het is WEL een oplossing.
Ik denk van niet. Ik geloof dat globalisatie gaat gebeuren en dat betekend dat alle verschillende culturen zowiezo samen zullen moeten komen. Ongecontroleerd crashen zou het snelst zijn maar ook het meeste schade aanrichten. We moeten de situatie daarom sturen. Deze mensen willen hier naartoe komen, en we hebben dus een goede motivatie voor aanpassen. Dat we daar geen gebruik van maken omdat we bang zijn voor racist te worden uitgemaakt of ons door andere zwakke redenen op onze plaats laten wijzen is wat anders.
>>70222673
Okay. You're not really showing anything else except that you're a bore. Everyone already knows what EU is like, we don't need you to tell us that. The Dutch are putting up a resistance, and it's been a much more entertaining and satisfying show than your repetitive shitposting.
>>70222821
>Het sociale beleid waar links normaal voor staat is niks mis mee
Vind ik wel. Ik onderschrijf de Libertarische posities en definities van vrijheid en rechten. Iedereen heeft natuurlijke rechten. Waaronder eigendom. Dat jij mijn eigendom wilt afpakken door middel van belasting om "ongelijkheid te bestrijden" vind ik diefstal en walgelijk. Ik ben bereid te praten om belasting te betalen om defensie, politie, gezondheidszorg e.d. te betalen. Maar inkomen herverdeling? Uitkeringen? Ik zie niet in waarom ik mijn hard vergaarde middelen zou moeten afstaan om mensen te helpen die niet bereid zijn om hun eigen capaciteiten, kracht of lichaam in te zetten om een eigen bestaan te bewerkstelligen.
>>70222948
I got a taste of that on Reddit, when the referendum was announced. One hohol accused us of "betraying" them. Seriously nigger, what? The pro-camp has also been using this bullshit rethoric that we are somehow at war with Russia, and owe the Ukranians bigtime... for some reason.
Really weird, how no-one who ever gave two fucks about the ukraine is now interested in helping the country, and introducing human rights. Kind of like how the left was always shilling for Arabian dictators, until the Arab Spring happened, and now suddenly the rebels were the good guys.
And these hohols must understand: We don't hate them. We're just not particularly keen on signing away our wealth to a country we have NO history with, and which is overtly part of the EU's expansion agenda. Both Ukraine and the EU need to get their shit in order before taking on another nation, let alone getting into a cold war with Russia.
>>70213775
Fuck off you disgusting hohol no1 wants you in the west.
“Ukraine will definitely not be able to become a member of the EU in the next 20-to-25 years, and not of NATO either," Juncker said during a speech in the Netherlands, Radio Liberty reports.
http://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-stay-out-eu-and-nato-20-years-jean-claude-juncker-433388
Get cucked by Putin faggot.
>>70223325
Nuh-uh. You are brainwashed and bribed by Putin and you have to apologize to beatiful democracy of Ukraine or else they will held their own referendum to kick you out of EU.
>>70223159
>menselijke actie sturen
Nog weer zo'n links waanidee. Mensen, zeker in collectieven, zijn niet zo voorspelbaar. Je zou eens wat van de Oostereikse school van economie moeten lezen.
En men kan in een geglobaliseerde samenleving bestaan met gesloten grenzen en zonder multiculturele samenleving. Handel, het internet enz staan ons toe ideeën en middelen uit te wisselen zonder elkaar ooit te zien.
Om alle culturen door elkaar te willen mixen lijkt me ook niet wenselijk. Dat heeft als voorbehoud dat je alle culturen gelijk stelt. En onze Westerse cultuur is toch echt superieur aan vele andere culturen.
>>70223214
I need to repeat it because you seem to be too retarded to get it in your head.
Just like when we told you EU is shit back a few years and you were all like "nah senpai this great man we united"
You think you can get out of this now with just some stupid meaningless poll. You know exactly that the politicans will not accept that
>inb4 this will fuel the people's disapproval
And you know exactly that no one is going to do shit. Just like in Germany, multiple generations are cucked for their life time and no one gives a shit
You are sheeps and you will stay sheeps. You are born to be guided by the muslim shepherd
>>70223503
Could you please translate more Ukrainian buthurt?
>>70222457
>Links = Economische en sociale tirannie (communisme/socialisme) en je eigen cultuur en waarden verlakken voor het exotische. En natuurlijk crimineeltjes knuffelen.
Ik weet nog niet zo goed waar ik economisch gezien sta. Ik geloof dat een vrije markt de beste weg is omdat het een enorme potentie voor innovatie heeft. Echter, omdat de vrije markt afhankelijk is van mensen en mensen simpelweg onbetrouwbaar zijn zoals vele voorbeelden uit de afgelopen tien jaar (en met een nieuwe op de horizon) ons hebben laten zien is er dus een strenge, onafhankelijke scheidsrechter van het volk nodig die zorgt dat er een gelijk speelveld is.
Onder die vrij markt dient een socialistische nullijn te zijn die het land en volk kan opvangen bij de volgende economische crisis.
Lang leve de God-Keizer
>>70223600
>That's nothing, when those Netherlands will beg for association with Ukrainian Empire, we will vote just like that! People never forget!
>We will turn those Dutch dogs on our dicks!
>>70223159
>Ik denk van niet.
Dat is mijn punt. Prima dat jij het niet vindt, maar het is feitelijk gewoon wel een oplossing. En het is één van de weinigen die überhaupt wordt aangedragen.
Verder komen culturen al sinds de steentijd samen, maar is integreren een heel ander verhaal. Multiculturalisme zoals de linkse politiek predikt bestaat in feite niet, en de manier waarop ze denken dat het magisch gaat gebeuren door verschillende populaties naast elkaar te zetten is al helemaal onzin. In veel landen heb je cultuurgroepen die al eeuwen -en soms millennia- naast elkaar leven zonder dat er sprake is van menging onderling. Dat is wat we ons ook op de hals hebben gehaald met de massa-immigratie. En dat terwijl we dat probleem NET voor onszelf hadden opgelost in Europa.
Ik moet denken aan een zin uit British As a Second Language: "It only takes two britons to form a gang, and three for that gang to have someone to pick on". En dat is effectief hoe cultuur ook werkt. Lokale cultuur gaat nooit uitgebannen worden, wat de socialist ook denkt. Als je twee dorpjes hebt, gaan mensen andere gewoonten hebben in het ene dorpje ten opzichte van het andere. Tenzij je mensen constant dwingt te verhuizen zonder ergens te wortelen. Maarja, dat zijn dus dystopie praktijken.
Goed boek, trouwens, British as a Second Language.
>>70222575
>2ch's /po/
Wow. It's this bad in there? Good thing I never bothered to check that shithole. 4chan seems like a gentleman discussion club compared to that
>>70223608
>Onder die vrij markt dient een socialistische nullijn te zijn die het land en volk kan opvangen bij de volgende economische crisis.
Nee, liever niet. Hetzelfde geld voor mensen als bedrijven: als je niet in staat bent om jezelf te reden, moet je failliet gaan en opnieuw beginnen.
Darwinisme is een erg, erg belangrijk iets voor het voortbestaan van de soort. We moeten blijven aanpassen en ontwikkelen.
Verder is socialisme een schending van de fundamentele rechten van de mens. Het dwingt je om middelen af te staan aan de zwakkere. De oplossing is om de zwakkeren meer incentieven te geven om te werken, bedrijven te stichten, zichzelf te ontwikkelen. Niet om ze gratis shit te geven.
>>70223829
Feels so comfy
>>70223514
>Nog weer zo'n links waanidee.
Misschien maar als we het niet proberen lukt het zowiezo niet. En hoewel ik idd niet zo van het superioriteits idee ben wil dat niet zeggen dat ik alle culturen hetzelfde vind. En ja, ik denk dat de mono cultuur van de toekomst de beste kans maakt als hij voor een groot deel is gebasseerd op westerse idealen. Maarja, ik ben dan ook in een westers land opgegroeid.
Er zit een enorme potentie in een geglobaliseerde wereld. Ik denk dat we het aan onze kinderen en kleinkinderen verschuldigd zijn om het op zijn minst te proberen.
>>70223955
>It's this bad in there
It's libtards and cuckholes, libtards and cuckholes as far as eye can see.
>>70224049
I'm not sure how can you live knowing that you will never be a part of Glorious Ukrainian Empire.
Oldie, but goodie
>I wish it would happen sooner!
>+
>For starts, I want European standards of living
>It will be even better if we join NATO!
>>70223303
Ja, maar dat zijn gewoon persoonlijke meningen. Wat ik bedoel is, er is niets PRAKTISCH mis mee. Als je zegt "iedereen heeft recht op gezondheidszorg, dus dat regelen we centraal" dan is dat niet een puur idealistische statement, want je kan dat ook daadwerkelijk doen. En zelfs als we in jouw puur libertarische maatschappij leven, zal er iemand zijn (zoals de kerk, vroegâh) die dit vindt, en het besluit te regelen.
Het idealisme van de maakbare mens, echter, heeft nog nooit in de praktijk gewerkt. En daarom vind ik het jammer dat het zo'n groot deel van het Marxisme is, en zelfs voorrang neemt over hun meer praktische kanten.
>>70211810
It's not a problem, he would have to go back on everything he has ever said to please Jews. Geert will learn who his allies are, Jews and Muslims are a package deal in Europe ...
>>70223829
>We will turn those Dutch dogs on our dicks!
Hohols fuck dogs?
>>70224133
>I will never be part of the glorious ukranian empire
>why even live
Are we dutch people the niggers of europe now?
>>70223563
Alright. If you insist on sticking around, just do us a favor and try to type your future posts without using the words "non binding" or "sheep". It got old long ago, and trying a challenge like that shouldn't be too difficult anyway.
>>70218349
>https://ttip-referendum.nl/
>>70224028
>Darwinisme is een erg, erg belangrijk iets voor het voortbestaan van de soort.
Daarom is het ook zo belangrijk dat we de groep beschermen. In tegenstelling tot wat veel mensen denken is het niet onze intelligentie die ons zo succesvol maakt maar onze samenwerking. Je kunt zo slim en sterk zijn als je wilt maar die Saturnus V raket ga je echt niet in je eentje bouwen.
>Verder is socialisme een schending van de fundamentele rechten van de mens.
Ik wil het ook niemand opdringen. Als je niet mee wilt doen aan de afspraak ben je vrij om in het bos te gaan leven en zelf je eten te vangen. Maar als je de voordelen van de maatschappij wilt dat zullen er regels zijn waar je je aan moet houden. Regels die de meerderheid bepaalt. En dat betekent dat zowel jij als ik compromies moeten maken.
>>70222209
think evn liberals hate this one
>>70224399
>I have no argument, let's criticize his writing style
Thanks for proving I'm right.
>>70224658
Waarom moet ik nou weer in het bos gaan leven? Waarom kan ik niet zeggen "Oke, ik betaal geen belastingen, dus betaal ik tol voor het gebruik van wegen, betaal ik zelf voor gebruik van medische zorg, brandweer dienst en accepteer ik dat ik verantwoordelijk ben voor mijn eigen veiligheid".
Laat mij gewoon lekker een hyperkapitalist zijn die overal zelf voor betaalt.
