While long (there is a tl;dw for those of you with no time or no attention span,) this is relevant to what is going on in the US and in the world economies today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0R09YzyuCI
TL;DW
>Societies have problems to solve
>Solving said problems introduces complexity in to the system
>There are costs to supporting this complexity
>Eventually, a point of diminishing returns is met with regards to the costs of increased complexity vs the benefits of solving the problems associated with the increased complexity
>If society doesn't pull back on the complexity, it gets crushed under the weight of the increased costs of the complexity
And yes, I am implying that we are in a slow, grinding state of collapse, and have been for a while now. (Pic related)
It will all come berning down
>>70150014
Interesting
>>70150225
It's coming down regardless of who wins. Bernie would just bring it down that much faster.
>>70150014
My suggestion is cutting ALL benefits, giving social security back pay, destroy income tax and reinstate gold standard, cut a large portion of the 'defence' budget, or call it an offense budget, increase tariffs
In other words
KEEP
IT
SIMPLE,
STUPID
>>70150747
THIS
The government should not be responsible for many things at all.
>>70150747
We also need to push for producing more necessities locally. Supply chains are insanely complex, which means fragile. I would also posit that all laws should have an automatic sunset clause.
>>70150747
Foreign aid needs to be cut to a skeleton-budget as well, the intent to help other people is great and all but we're a pretty dry well at this point.
>>70150747
But how will I get my shekels? If you don't allow the government to subsidize my bullet factory, how will I make money?
If you get rid of welfare, how will my farms get money? You do know welfare recipients spend their money at walmart, who spends their money on workers, turning the wheel of the eonomy, right?
Increasing tariffs will lower the GDP, so I don't know why you're arguing FOR tariffs.
>>70150747
We should slash the dept of defense, institute minimum income, universal health care and tax the rich or seize assets. Gov should take care of people so no one was to worry about failing
>>70151135
How about no government foreign aids at all? That should be left to the civil society.
>>70150014
The largest and most-easily solvable reason both for your graph and our society as a whole is to END welfare. It's literally an incentive to not work/ go against society even if it's not conscious. It's the same old story and collapse of communism, but this time it's just slower and more-drawn out.
>>70151236
Fine by me, I just wanted to leave wiggle-room for the unknown.
>>70151431
If we ended welfare there would be widespread riots. 1/5 of all kids in this nation are on food stamps. Half of our population is on some benefit.
Why not raise taxes on the greedy rich?
>>70151431
Increased debt loads also play a major role. There is more debt in the US than can ever be paid back. If you're busy servicing the interest on your debt, you aren't putting your money towards being more productive.
>>70151135
D'oh! I forgot about that, too. We give aid to Russia, the middle east, and other countries we are fighting AND THEN we fight against them. It's so counter-intuitive.
>>70151057
Local products being generated absolutely improves the local economy. This is why I fight for national protection of goods and services.
>>70150892
There are plenty of unnecessary government programs that weigh down the American, or in your case Swede. Removing income tax and only taxing home-owners and sales is a much fairer taxing system, and should ONLY be put to use for infrastructure and national defence.
>>70151138
fuck off, faggot.
>>70151449
I'm not against parking using an aircraft carrier to provide fresh water for a place that just suffered a major natural disaster, but yeah, 3rd world shitholes shouldn't receive 1st world benefits. Starving kids? Well, 1st world benefits will lower the death rate, not change the birth rate, and in a few years, you'll have even more starving kids to feed.
>>70151596
DO you not see a problem with dependence? If we weened off dependent recipients, there may be some smaller scale riots, but they can be taken care of.
Why should we raise taxes? What good does raising taxes do if it goes to greedy politicians?
>>70150014
>tl;dw
I used to post Fred Charts. Thanks for post.
>>70151705
>taxing home-owners
Fuck that. The politicians over here are literal whackjobs, but they did one things right in the last years, and that was to abolish the house tax.
>>70151925
No, or see no problem with dependence. Eventually robots will do the vast majority of the work so mass dependence is the future. We will be a species that exists to consume and keep the economy going.
Fine by me, go eat my I really only need the internet and weed for the rest of my life.
>>70151596
>If we ended welfare there would be widespread riots.
Good. The longer welfare stays in place the larger the riotting masses become. It's a self-replicating system (until we run out of the Rich's money of course). The movie Idiocracy got it scarily accurate. Intelligent, responsible people only have a few kids max because they know that's all they can support on their own. Latasha pops out kids every 11 months on the taxpayers dime and those kids have almost no chance of escaping it. Look at single motherhood rates, they almost perfectly correlate and rise with the implication of welfare. Before, people were careful and only got married and picked a partner with someone they could rely on to help raise a child. Nowadays that's thrown out the window just fuck the most attractive person regardless of how well they could stick around and raise the child, and have the government pick up the tab!
>>70151854
Right, I think most people are cool with us helping out someone like Japan if a tsunami hits, as oppose to regular gibsmedats for African and Middle-Eastern shitholes
>>70151854
Precisely this. That's the ONLY reason why Africa is fucking over Europe so bad. We, and plenty of Europeans, send so much aid that their population skyrockets, you're left with an even bigger problem, and you continue this trend with even more aid. Completely cut this aid NOW, or forever hold your pece.
>>70151925
There is a major problem with dependence, but he is right that there will be some MAJOR problems getting people off of dependence. Get rid of SNAP/EBT all at once, and you will have riots, crime and people going hungry as a result. How to ween them off of it?
>>70150014
Yeah. FRED.
>>70151431
No, the easy way to solve the "problem" of low labor force participation, would be to outlaw and ban automation technologies and force people to do things like dig holes with shovels instead of excavators.
Of course, that would also dramatically reduce productivity.
But it would solve your "problem" perfectly.
>>70150014
Men.
>>70150014
>TL;DW
anyone who does this along with TL;DR should be shot for the betterment of mankind.
>>70152463
Except I shoot back;)
>>70151596
>there would be widespread riots.
that wouldn't magically make food stamps appear
>>70152101
I see your point. I do view America as some sort of Feudal system, though - federal government, then state government, then local government, then land lease. I'm not sure what it's like in Sweden, but I think a fair land tax in America is ok.
Income tax, on the other hand, is NOT.
>>70152112
That is then. This is now. We are arguing FOR NOW. I do see automation will significantly increase dependence, but for now, we have to work for ourselves. Perhaps in the future, you can argue for dependence.
>>70152326
That's bullshit and you know it. The fundamental problem is a person can either choose to work a shitty job at McDonalds, or sit back and claim welfare. 48% of people in the USA pick the second option. There are plenty of jobs out there, the problem is people are incentivised not to take them and take government welfare instead. If welfare emded, people WOULD find jobs, they'd have to.
>>70150014
sounds like we need another war
>>70152593
>that wouldn't magically make food stamps appear
Burning half the shit in Ferguson didn't magically make laws and police disappear either, but they still did it.
>>70150014
1 Million immigrants a year, but prime aged working me are falling in employment or not growing with population growth of 200,000 per month.
200,000 x 12 x (2015 - 2009) =
200,000 x 12 x 6 =
200,000 x 12 x 6 = 14.4 Million worker new since 2008.
HM....
Where are they?
>>70152202
I would say tell them they have a month to find a job because we're lowering or destroying welfare
>>70150014
Funny thing, I was just thinking about urbanisation and the fall of Roman empire. Was there similiar situation of increasing urbaisation before the fall?
I mean modern simulations predict even more increasing urbanisation.
>>70150014
>Less people are working
>People are richer than ever
Seems like things are getting better. Retarded liberals with no concept of self preservation or self promotion are just a symptom of this. They grew up in captivity and know only trusting what they are told.
>>70151135
>Cut foreign aid
How will you bribe dictators in resource rich nations to sell you materials at a low low price under the guise of humanitarianism?
>>70152886
I would take it back to producing basic necessities locally. Two problems solved at once. (Resilience of supply chains and unemployment.) The problem is, nogs aren't going to want to play that game, and you'll still probably get some riots. But in the end, a rumbling belly might be the only motivation that gets them to do it. IMO, it would take two or three years to even start getting it off of the ground.
>>70153135
>pay money
>get lower prices
>still paid money
wew lad
So a lot of people are posting possible solutions that seem logical.
My question is how long will we continue along this downward trend until governments start doing things like cutting foreign aid and welfare programs and causing uproar among the lowest class.
Or might they never actually try to act like debt is something that actually matters?
>>70152606
I don't think the land ownership has ever been exactly defined over here. Most of the land was farmers owning their land, minding their own business, and then there was kings in stockhom that fucked with the farmers.
The king has since then been replaced with a bunch of socialist morons in the same city, so I don't like land tax at all.
>>70153135
>How will you bribe dictators
Same way as always, we be persuasive
>>70153239
That's the only way to make it happen. Riots are regardless. They happen without cutting welfare, they'd happen after cutting welfare. There is no circumvention, but cutting welfare will absolutely benefit the nation.
>>70153294
Governments won't. They're too corrupt, and they and their cronies are making too much money off of the current system, so they're going to drive us straight over the cliff.
>>70153241
Do they not teach basic jewing in American schools? You pay the money direct to his account so that he signs a bad deal that saves you much more money in the long run.
>>70150014
In other news, water is wet and fire is hot. Back to you John.
>>70153655
This is actually good.
Check out Augustines Laws!!!
>>70153642
Or, you take the American approach and liberate his oil.
>>70152040
Have a thread here:
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>>70153334
Yeah, I see your point. An out-of-the-way farmer minding his own business simply wants to live a simple life, living off the land. With the second amendment, the government does not need to defend his land as he can take up arms.
>>70153004
>it's 2109, destroying sentient AI just because they attempted to trigger a reactor meltdown is racist you fucking shitlxrd
>all nuclear power plants need to run Windows 27f without antivirus software, anything else would be a microaggression, check your human privilege. fucking breather scum #KillAllHumans
>>70154340
Yes, a civil defense is the best defense. Who in the right mind would invade the american south for instance?
And just look at Afghanistan, the american government comes in with a huge army and they still can't defeat the local militas that has a strong support among the locals. I do definitively not support the talibans but I want to make a point.
>>70154905
Even my state with 2,000,000 people would be hell for a foreign invader.
>>70154905
to be fair, they had a lot of help.
>>70151138
Allow collapse.
Globalisation has brought a belief that any company can succeed.
Shorten the competition, not to a silly figure of 1 led by the govt. but have a healthy competition.
Balance the ratio. Currently the Govt. are holding too many 'apples' and they are going to start dropping these apples if they can maintain just a few.
>>70155202
Just think of all the people ranging from young to old, incompetent to operator, who would jump at the chance to play Red Dawn, from inner city thugs to country hunters and everyone in-between.
Fuck, I'd much rather a foreign invasion unite us than have some ideological civil war or whatever the hell we're speeding toward now.
>>70150014
Baby boomers retiring is somehow the collapse of societies?
Right wing retards are the dumbest people on the planet.
Why do right wing idiots think that my 80 year old grandma is unemployed?
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here's your reply
>>70152877
Let's see what happens when we match this chart of population level of 25-54 men.
Look at that! A perfect match.
You've just been debunked, right wing retard.
>>70156173
The 16+ CLFPR is going down because 10,000 baby boomers are retiring everyday. People have known this was going to happen for decades. Right wing retards still haven't figured it out.
“Each day,10,000 baby boomers retire and begin receiving Medicare and Social Security benefits.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/07/24/do-10000-baby-boomers-retire-every-day/
You idiots need to be euthanized.
>>70154335
>what is automation
>>70156365
>Doesn't understand the effect that will have on the financial system
>Doesn't know how M2 money is created
>>70156950
Now you're arguing something completely different. So you agree with me that the CLFPR is just a failed right wing talking point.
Now you want to talk about why did the Republicans squander TRILLIONS on tax cuts for the rich and foreign wars?
Bill Clinton left George Bush a $300 BILLION budget surplus for a reason. He told you morons to make sure you pay off the national debt. That was the plan. But nooo.. you right wing retards had to have your tax cuts and your wars.
Well here we are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O45zUlQPUQ0
Business: The Economy
Exorcising the US national debt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/380923.stm
>>70157226
lmao at this damage control.
this thread is about collapse friend, not what the CLFPR is or what bullshit Clinton was spouting.
>>70156421
so lets talk about technological unemployment.
>>70157226
No, I am not. Declining employment is going to have an effect on the M2 money supply, which, BTW, if it ever decreases too much collapses our economy. It will probably first manifest as a bond crisis.
>>70156091
>boomer retirement is a problem
>so let's keep hiring incompetent HR people who make the stupid fucking irrelevant interview questions that allow the most worthless fucking candidates to advance instead of spending the money to train people properly
>>70157725
>this thread is about collapse friend, not what the CLFPR is
What the fuck is OP's chart?
Jesus christ you retards can't even keep up.
>>70157226
>Bill Clinton left George Bush a $300 BILLION budget surplus
FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME THAT WAS THE KEKSERVATIVE CONGRESS WHO MANAGED TO PULL IT OUT OF THEIR ASS DURING THE MAJOR GROWTH OF DOTCOM
>>70157872
>boomer retirement is a problem
So let's increase the national debt by over $24 TRILLION like what Trump proposes.
Trump’s Tax Cuts Would Add $24.5 Trillion to the Debt
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/23/Trump-s-Tax-Cuts-Would-Add-245-Trillion-Debt
Like I just told you retard, the baby boomer retirement was planned for in 2001 when Clinton left office. He left Bush a $300 BILLION budget surplus and the entire national debt was set to be paid off within 10 years.
You Republicans squandered it so why the fuck would you think that you know how to fix it.
Bernie is the only one with a reasonable plan, he wants to get rid of the cap on the Social Security tax. That's step 1.
Lift the taxable income cap and fix Social Security -- until 2070
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-le-0126-tuesday-social-security-20160126-story.html
These sorts of issues are far too complex and complicated for a conservative mind to handle.
The sooner you get that, the better.
So what causes the bubble to burst guys?
The declining employment and manufacturing or the debt bubble finally getting too big for individuals to pay back so they just shaft the corporations.
>>70158038
No it wasn't. It was Bill Clinton and the 1993 Omnibus tax bill that raised taxes on the rich.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993
Republicans predicted a recession. Instead there was 8 years of prosperity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdtU3UI-JoY
Republicans have no clue how to balance a budget. That's why no Republican president has since Eisenhower. Every single Republican president since Eisenhower has increased the budget deficit.
Reagan fucking tripled the national debt and he's a god to you people.
Dick Cheney: Reagan proved conservatives don't care about deficits.
You believe in trickle down magic, you have no business talking about the Clinton budget surplus.
Newt was far too busy spending $100 MILLION taxpayer dollars investigating Bill Clinton's penis and trying to impeach him, to balance anything.
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>>70158255
Yes Gingrich did save ss for a time. Convenient how you don't talk about all the massive democrat spending once Obama took office. 8 years of republican overspending followed by 8 years of democrat overspending kinda destroys your naive left vs right argument.
>>70157883
you're autistically arguing about the exact numbers when in context it's already in a death spiral.
>>70158255
the point of the video is that this isn't a left/right issue and that to address the problem will take a radical transformation.
And please stop riding Clinton's dick. Both parties suck. Even Bernie can't stop a car that's driven off the cliff.
>>70158255
>steal from the social security trust
>call it a surplus
>>70158655
i grew up in that era and Clinton was failing the first four years and if it wasn't for the Tech bubble in the second half and the republican take over of congress and with Clinton agreeing to change his ways he would not have had his successful past that he has now -Damn Fact
>>70158038
Educate yourself moron. Tax cuts for the rich and trillion dollar wars don't balance budgets.
Don't Let Republicans Fool You — They Actually Love Budget Deficits
http://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-actually-love-deficits-2013-5
Can we stop pretending that Republicans care about the deficit now?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/12/17/can-we-stop-pretending-that-republicans-care-about-the-deficit-now/
>>70159037
Look, it's the same Canadian who's paid by the CIA to spout the same "facts" over and over.
>>70158713
Obama has cut the budget deficit by over 2/3. He's the slowest spender since Eisenhower.
Why are right wing retards such fucking morons?
Barack Obama claims deficit has decreased by two-thirds since taking office
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jan/20/barack-obama/barack-obama-claims-deficit-has-decreased-two-thir/
Newt didn't save anything. He predicted a Clinton recession and then tried to impeach him.
The Republicans tossed Newt to the curb in 1998.
>>70158907
Repeating retarded right wing talking points that were debunked 16 years ago.
I swear to god retards like you need to be euthanized.
>>70156091
i don't give a shit about the point you're trying to make, but people like you that reply to like 30 different fucking posts at once are the scum of the earth
>>70159251
quit calling for euthanasia you jackass
>>70159167
>Obama
Congress.
>>70158915
>i grew up in that era and Clinton was failing the first four years
You're obviously a fucking moron.
The economy was thriving and coming out of a 12 year disaster of Republican rule.
Don't forget. Bill Clinton inherited what Donald Trump called at the time a DEPRESSION.
https://youtu.be/Rksd80-FCAw?t=196
The only thing Newt was interested in was wasting $100 MILLION taxpayer dollars investigating Bill Clinton's penis and trying to impeach one of the greatest presidents in America history.
>>70158276
If oil prices don't go back up, the $550 billion in junk bonds that energy companies issued back when oil was $80-$110/bbl seeing massive defaults as frackers go broke. If that spreads to the broader bond markets, we've got problems. Big ones, and I'm not sure if the Fed can pull things out of its ass this time.
>>70159150
I'm conducting a study on why are right wing retards so fucking stupid even when you put the facts right in front of their face.
It's not going well. 4u
![Receipts+and+Outlays[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ELL0Q69.jpg "Receipts+and+Outlays[1].jpg")
>>70159167
lol what
>>70159521
>actually thinks tax cuts for the rich and foreign wars, balance budgets.
You can't make up this level of mental retardation.
Name the last Republican President to balance the budget. GO!
>>70159575
Shit wrong time. Go to 3:15
>>70159739
Yes exactly what I said. Obama has reduced the budget deficit by 2/3.
This is a well known fact to everyone with a brain.
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>>70159616
I agree it will be the bond market that will bring down this house of cards.
Saw this today and it's very fitting for this discussion.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/the-coming-default-wave-is-shaping-up-to-be-among-most-painful
>>70159575
Why all this Clinton love from a leaf? Did he suck your dick or something?
>>70159789
Maybe if you call him a retard again you'll get your point across finally!
>>70159447
You're the scum of the earth.
>>70159910
The guy on /r9k/ was right, you are a paid shill who is trying to derail the original post and will it with angry replies
>>70159939
No. The Clinton economy created over 23 million jobs. The greatest on record. That's why I love him so much.
You guys love Republicans because they always crash the economy. I don't know why you guys hate America so much. Why else would you vote Republican? You want the economy to crash.
>>70160006
People who deny facts even when they're presented right in front of their face are retards.
I'm actually being generous by claiming they have some sort of mental illness.
If they have a fully functioning brain and they're actually this stupid, that's just fucking sad. They need to be studied by NASA.
>>70160037
that may be so, but i don't reply to a billion posts at a time like an asshole, so that automatically puts me in a league above you
>>70160051
Whats the point of derailing this topic? Some Trump thread I can understand but this is just a standard the end times are upon us thread.
>>70160301
I wish you had a tripcode so I could filter you
>>70160051
I'm not trying to derail anything.
My original reply was about the CLFPR which was OP's charts.
>>70156091
It's you right wing retards that always spout the same old bullshit debunked talking points that can be debunked in 2 seconds.
You jump from 1 argument to another because I prove you wrong every time. It's the same pattern over and over.
You guys were talking about me on r9k? That's interesting. Got a link?
Was the discussion about how I debunk right wing dogma with facts and reality?
>>70160390
the faggot leaf poster is trying to make this a left vs right issue when it's an us vs them issue. divide and conquer tactics. just ignore him, make him works for his shekels.
>>70160345
I don't either. I just did it once. No need to be so upset about it.
>>70160212
Did he create your job. Lots of leaders have been good for other nations. Why is a Canadian so enthralled by a forign leader?
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>>70160390
I was debunking the CFLPR talking point.
>>70156091
>>70160665
>Did he create your job.
Yes. I'm in the deepest, darkest most l33t department of DARPA.
>>70160301
Then do you deny that Clinton signed the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass Stegal act, which led directly to the rise of TBTF and massive shadow banking activities, of which the sub prime mortgages and the mortgage backed securities were part of? Because if we're going to give credit where it is due...
>>70160561
>My original reply was about the CLFPR which was OP's charts.
That's nice. You did gloss over the precipitous drop in the participation rates right around the time that Lehman Brothers took a shit. You could also, if you were so inclined, compare trends of younger people participating to that of older people. You'd see that your conclusions aren't so clear cut.
>>70150747
In the next few years this would help but it wouldn't solve a lot of looming issues like automation
>>70159616
Now, logically though wouldn't oil prices start to go back up once the first wave of oil companies go under?
>Poorly managed oil companies go under
>Production drops as these companies can no longer produce
>Supply and demand takes effect and the price stabilizes again.
That's not including Iran beginning production, OPEC trying to crash the market with no survivors, and just how heavily this could effect banking companies. Wouldn't that just be a case though where banks with bad portfolios would go under?
Essentially we'd have what's going on in Canada due to how heavily they invested in oil but it'd only effect our banks/energy companies.
Am I possibly right on this?
>>70161711
No, but pic related will.
>>70161764
Sure, but consumers cannot afford $120/bbl oil while still leading their current lifestyle, yet government doesn't want to upset the status quo, which changing people's lifestyles would do. This also doesn't deal with the blatant manipulation by the Fed with ZIRP and easy money leading to entities taking on more debt than they can afford should rates normalize.
>>70161861
What am I looking at?
>>70162885
the price for oil that these companies need to not go broke. and prices are around $38. shit's fucked.
>>70162885
The oil price that would have been needed for various oil companies to not have to take on any more debt and still operate when everything is included. It's another way of saying that automation is going to get expensive.
Pic related is just the capex on oil production. It doesn't count the costs of operating and maintaining wells, taxes, dividends to investors, etc...
>>70163137
Well the neat thing is the volt and Tesla 3 are going to push the internal combustion engine out within a matter of a few decades. Its going to accelerate much quicker than I ever imagined. Of course well still have old vehicles on the road but those will slowly make their way to the scrap yard.
>>70163384
Can you explain toe how this should increase the cost of automation?
>>70163522
It has been pretty interesting to watch charging stations start popping up to facilitate coast-to-coast travel, just like the old railroads.
>>70163522
That's not happening. It's optimistic to say 50% of cars will be electric by 2050.
>>70163664
For starters, oil is the keystone commodity in today's world. Think of just about any mode of transportation, and you are probably thinking about something powered by a product derived by oil. When you ship coal to a coal fired power plant, you are probably using oil. When you ship food to a supermarket, you are using oil. Increase the price of oil, and you increase the price to produce/ship almost everything. In short, energy in general gets more expensive, because it requires oil to run the mining equipment, even if you are mining Uranium. This also applies to a lot of your automated systems. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad for an automated burger dispenser at McShitters, but big stuff that requires a lot of metal in the automation will suffer higher prices, because metals in general are substances that are energy intensive to manufacture.
And that's not even getting to into the petrochemical industry.
Basically, expensive oil propagates higher prices throughout the economy.
>>70150014
obviously. If you needed some shill chart to know that, you need to go repeat elementary school.
>>70156091
You strike me as a Watchdog. Perhaps we watch the same stats and issues.
http://www.taxjustice.net/
https://www.citizen.org
www.ctj.org
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_consumer_organizations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_watchdog
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/census-immigrant-population-over-15-in-record-16-states-over-25-in-6/article/2586955
http://cis.org/Camarota/Map-Number-Immigrants-Minor-Children
Immigration by the Numbers -- Off the Charts
www.numbersusa.org
http://WWW.USAWatchdog.com
http://www.chapwoodindex.com/
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowstats.com
http://www.zerohedge.com
http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns
http://www.Opensecrets.com
http://www.truthinaccounting.org/
http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/
http://www.globalslaveryindex.org/findings/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Slavery_Index
http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/rental-households-number-of-renters-homeownership-rate-middle-class/
http://www.activistpost.com/
Best evidence Videos:
The Veneer of Justice in a Kingdom of Crime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHgbRYgpGGs
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Yeah, Boomers are leaving the debt/credit/consumption demographic. Immigrants are different consumers and many remain in poverty according to http://cis.org/
Slowdown of US Economy is like a Perfect Storm of Welfare, Bread Winner Jobs loss, Slave Trade (Free Trade), Open Border, loss of Job experience of our Youth, attacks on pensions & retirements, nasty Financial Tricks, Nasty Corporate Schemes, & Paid off Regulators & DC Representatives.
Bankers, Lawyers, Lobbyists, Politicians all care nothing about the US Constitution or nationalism or the foundation of the country. Governments are dangerous and today it is fatal to our USA. This is the End of the Middle Class Dumb Ass.
>>70134443
>>70134443
>>70163865
Its crazy to me to see how quickly this thing is taking off. I've been a proponent of it and a car enthusiast but I didn't imagine 5 years ago that the industry could possibly adapt this quickly.
>>70159167
You are a Dumb Ass.
30 September 2014, Final Monthly Treasury Statement, Outlays and Revenues, Table 5.
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2014 = $3.5 Trillion (B. Obama)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2012 = $3.54 Trillion (B. Obama)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2010 = $3.45 Trillion (B. Obama)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2008 = $2.98 Trillion (G.W. Bush)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2006 = $2.65 Trillion (G.W. Bush)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2004 = $2.29 Trillion (G.W. Bush)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2002 = $2.01 Trillion (B. Clinton)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 2000 = $1.79 Trillion (B. Clinton)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 1998 = $1.65 Trillion (B. Clinton)
Total-Federal Government Actual Budget 1997 = $1.6 Trillion (B. Clinton)
$T Debt Added
J. Carter, ,$0.37 T (4 yrs)
R. Reagan, $1.69 T
G. H Bush, $1.4 T (4 yrs)
W. Clinton, $1.627 T
G. W. Bush, $4.357 T
B. Obama, $6.365 T (4 yrs)
B. Obama, $8 T (6 yrs est.)
>>70164591
It shouldn't be a difficult adaptation really, the infrastructure for cars being already present and ingrained in daily life, the only obstacle should be charge time and battery capacity which are both improving every year.
>>70158655
>>70158255
False Dichotomy divide and conquer shill
>>70164348
Idk about 50%. You're still going to have the old cars on the road and I didn't mean to make it sound like I think the gasoline cars will be out. But I predict a very quick rise in electric vehicle production and sale. The preordrs for the Tesla 3 are pretty surprising. I think by 2050 I wouldn't be surprised if electric car production and sale is the majority of the market especially with government and environmentaliat pressure
>>70158655
You are a fuckin dumb ass.
see here.
>>70164863
Look at Outlays in the Federal Budget not adjusted numbers from money found some place that brought numbers down. It is like the 4th Column from the left.
>>70164521
Wow. So were potentially looking at dramatic gas price increases in the coming decade or so? This just compounds our economic problems?
>>70164996
>push the internal combustion engine out within a matter of a few decades
>I didn't mean to make it sound like I think the gasoline cars will be out.
But it is exactly what you said.
>>70165048
stop responding to him, anon
>>70161089
No I don't deny that he signed it. Do you know why it was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act?
>>70164882
In this case, it's not the infrastructure for cars. It's the materials for batteries. Lead-acid would be a wee bit heavy, which is why lithium based chemistry batteries are the way to go. We'd need to ramp lithium production way up. We'd also need to improve the electrical infrastructure if you wanted anything remotely approaching fast charge times.
>>70164882
Yeah man. The Tesla 3 is 300 miles to a charge and takes 30 mins to get up to 80%. Not sure if you've heard. Crazy man. It'll only get better
>>70165152
Yeah I worded that poorly. I meant production of new cars.
>>70164863
What are you disproving?
Bush's last budget spending was $3.518 trillion.
Obama's 2015 budget spending was $3.6 trillion.
That's the slowest increase in spending of any president since Eisenhower.
Obama cut the budget deficit by over 2/3. You don't do that by going on a spending spree like Bush did.
>>70165484
That's what I was talking about too with the 50% by 2050 figure.
>>70164901
>I can't handle the facts therefore I call you a shill
>>70165324
Because it was collusion between Washington DC, both Ds and Rs and cronies on Wall Street to get it passed because "muh Citi might take a shit if we don't!" and Gramm Leach and Bliley were the ones who introduced it.
But Clinton still signed it. He could have vetoed it.
>>70165585
Yeah I know it seems that way but shit man I couldn't have possibly imagined they'd be where they are today. And I'm only thinking about consumer vehicles...for now at least.
>>70165118
Yes. We could reorganize our economy so it has a lesser impact, but we won't. Too many vested interests in the status quo.
>>70165803
Yeah we tend to not act proactively and plan society level for things a few years out. We tend to only move when something bad already happened
>>70165680
It was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act because it was named after the 3 Republicans who wrote it.
As usual, the worst attack against a Democrat is that he agreed with Republicans.
I obviously agree with you that Republicans are the problem.
I'm also surprised to hear you argue so strongly in favor of heavy government invention and regulation of the marketplace, specifically the banking industry. I have to assume that you are therefore a Bernie Sanders supporter? I'm assuming as well that you're a big fan of Elizabeth Warren.
>>70150014
Thanks for the link and summary, will watch.
This is good info for academic study, but I also wonder how many people are taking real steps to reduce government's impact on them.
We can talk and plan, but in the end will do just about anything to feed and protect our families.
Better to start on your independence now, while steep learning curves aren't potentially fatal.
>>70166343
I have enough seed to produce food for my entire neighborhood if I needed to. I've been breeding various food crops to be adapted my area for a few years now.
>>70150014
Fantastic book. He's the "closest" to describing collapse. Weirdly, however, Machiavelli has interesting outlooks that Tainter overlooks. For instance, Machiavelli argues what is permitted is more important than what is happening. This is why it's possible to build a better model on him. But for now, he's definitely the best we got and the fatherest along.
>>70166515
got sprouts ready to go in the group for spring and seeds on hand. glad to know there's at least some sensible people around. tn here, you?
>>70166301
Why do you assume anyone here likes republicans just because they don't like the democrats? Disdain for both parties tends to be more the norm.
>>70160006
>look at the shiny object!
>they won't notice I didn't respond to the question...
>>70161259
Link me to the r9k thread about me.
Don't make me have to use precious NSA resources on it.
The free market deals with complexity the most efficiently, because there is incentive due to the profit motive.
>>70167111
I assumed based on your #1 issue to seemingly be Wall Street deregulation, that you're a huge fan of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.
>>70166796
Let me rephrase this. I take inspiration for him. Without his work, I'd definitely be lost in alot of pseudo-scientific babble like Spengler or worse.
>>70167505
No I abhor socialists and wall street regulation or lack thereof is not my #1 issue.
I ask again why do you assume anyone here likes republicans just because they don't like the democrats?
>>70167741
>No I abhor socialists and wall street regulation
So then why are you complaining about the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act?
Your talking point programming betrays you.
>>70165802
If they can get closer to a combustion engine's range and get the charge time lower it might happen, but until then it will be mostly for fleet/delivery vehicles and second cars.
>>70168150
Us the IDs that wasn't me.
I ask again why do you assume anyone here likes republicans just because they don't like the democrats?
>>70168274
300 miles on a charge!
>>70168274
Why do you assume that I assume that?
>>70168280
Why do you assume that I assume that?
>>70169313
>>70169336
SAMEFAG!
The Jews caught redhanded. 9/11 was an inside job!
>>70169502
I replied to the wrong one by accident.
>>70169649
I know. And I'm just being a dumbass.
>>70169336
Because you call everyone you disagree with a republican, right wing retard, claiming "You guys love Republicans" ect. Now answer the question.
>>70169796
Oh okay no problem.
>>70169877
Not everyone.
Right wing retard does not equal Republican.
Most people on here are right wing retards.
I've been cataloging my research and that conclusion is beyond a reasonable doubt at this point.
>>70150225
KEK
>>70158255
lol, no he had a republican congress and Regan set him up nice, plus the who tech bubble was going strong
Clinton just got lucky, and left just in time to blame it on someone else.
Policy lags several years behind, the president does not just wave a magic wand and make the economy all bubbly in 3 months.
>>70159167
Once again... CONGRESS SETS THE SPENDING.. WE HAVE HAD A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS SINCE 2010. YOU FUCKING MORONS WHO DID NOT PASS 8TH GRADE GOVERNMENT CLASS.
>>70156091
Hey fucking retard, you think this is a "right wing" issue, look at all the doomers
Kunstler
Orlov
Ruppert
Heinburg,
Campbell
You think Transition towns is right wing, fucking retard
>>70150014
Was thinking about Tainter yesterday, forgot his name. Thanks for posting,
Rupperts Collapse is cooler then this/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ll1mzLulc
>>70159739
>>70159910
You know why Regan had to start fedreal spending like mad?
Because the white birth rate fell below 2.1 about 1979/1980.
You can thank Margaret Sanger and the Progressive Liberals for the shit fest that is this thread.
>>70173903
Maybe but 50 million more blacks would hardly be a boon to the economy. We would probably be in worse financial shape.
>>70163664
Oil is basically what the entire world economy and banking system is based off of.
You can't have value in your currency without something to back it with.
That think is Oil, that currency is the USD.
>>70156091
what the devil shit is your point?
>>70160579
>left vs right
kek, this. No one mentioned anything about right wing economy until this retarded leaf poster showed up.
>>70174569
I agree
they have moved on to destruction of western civilization to control resource use.
White use up the most resources, they don't like that.
>>70170094
Cool. When you do your research, write CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION in big letters at the top of your research notes.
>>70176009
Even 1st graders can identify a pattern.
Right wing retards cannot.
>>70159575
>daily news
>>70177051
>doesn't know that was a famous picture from the 90s.
Obviously just another retarded right wing 5 year old.
>>70174793
That the CLFPR is falling because baby boomers are retiring.
It's not rocket science.
>>70177047
There have been a lot of part time walmart and fast-food jobs created the last few years under Obama, that's true.
Quality jobs that people want and can actually afford to take, however...
>>70177170
You know what else was famous from the 90's?
The Michael Jackson pedo scare. I'm just saying.
>>70177293
Repeating another retarded, debunked right wing talking point?
Obama job creation has been 95% full time.
Job openings are at record highs.
America has near record 5.6 million job openings
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/09/news/economy/america-5-6-million-record-job-openings/
The only people who can't find jobs in this economy are retarded right wingers and Trumpfags because they're too fucking useless to be employable.
>>70177408
>>70177552
>Obama job creation has been 95% full time.
If you really believe this I've got a bridge to sell you m8. People are dropping out of the labor force and retiring early left and right because it's nothing but shit jobs after they got laid off. >>70150014
>>70177047
That is the most hilariously disingenuous graph I've ever seen. It credits GW Bush for the loss of millions of jobs when Bill Clinton was the one who put the 2007-8 crash in motion by mandating home loans to people who had no business getting them.
>>70177767
It's a fact.
The Spectacular Myth of Obama's Part-Time America—in 5 Graphs
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/02/the-spectacular-myth-of-obamas-part-time-america-in-5-graphs/283674/
Baby boomers are retiring yes. People have known this was going to happen for decades. Do you know what happens when baby boomers retire? They leave the labor force.
You're obviously mentally handicapped. Way too easy to debunk.
You didn't know the Obama economy has created over 14.4 million private sector jobs?
>>70177937
Clinton left Bush one of the best economies in American history. 3.9% unemployment, a thriving economy, a $315 BILLION annual budget surplus, the national debt set to be paid off within 10 years, the highest labor participation rate in American history, and no wars.
Within 8 years, George Bush and the Republicans left America on its knees.
This is why Republicans can't be trusted with the economy. No matter how good a situation they inherit, they'll fuck it all up and blame Democrats.
>>70177994
>It's a fact.
So how much you want that bridge for?
We're well aware of how they've cooked the books btw, I've seen it for years.
>>70177552
You do realize that the personal attacks and assuming everyone is a right winger makes you look like an idiot.
As for this >>70177238 assuming thats 100 percent the cause so what? That's not a good thing either. A shrinking workforce regardless of the cause is a problem for everyone.
>>70178214
>We're well aware of how they've cooked the books btw
This is just something right wing retards tell themselves because they need an excuse for why they're still in their mother's basement and can't find a job even though job openings are at all time highs.
The only source for Obama's cooking the books meme is you pulling it out of your fat ass.
US hiring reaches 9-year high
http://www.timescolonist.com/us-hiring-reaches-9-year-high-job-openings-slip-1.2223883
>>70177937
Most of his graphs are disingenuous but that one is pretty bad.
>>70178421
So your plan for the economy is to get my 80 year old grandma back into the labor force?
I hope you idiots run on that.
I've already given you a chart for why Americans aren't in the labor force.
It's not just retirees. It's kids in high school, kids in university, stay at home parents, people in training, the disabled, and yes the actual unemployed.
>>70156091
Why are right wingers so stupid?
Donald Trump says the unemployment rate may be 42 percent
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/30/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-unemployment-rate-may-be-42-perc/
PANTS ON FIRE
>>70177994
>you
>0.14 dollars has been deposited in your PayPal
Go away shitposter
>>70150014
too many people who aren't white
>>70178448
So hiring finally reached Bush levels in Obama's last year in office. Wow its fucking nothing.
>>70178625
Cite me one fact that's wrong.
All you idiots have are "I don't like facts so they must be fake"
That's what your entire ideology is based on.
You haven't challenged one fact.
All you retards can do is continue repeating debunked right wing talking points like parrots.
You bring no facts to the table.
It's not a big secret that Democrats are better for the economy.
Want A Better Economy? History Says Vote Democrat!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/10/10/want-a-better-economy-history-says-vote-democrat/#286b989b67a1
Lucky or not, the economy does better under Democrats
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lucky-or-not-the-economy-does-better-under-democrats-2015-10-27
>>70160212
>>70178941
That's a chart of job openings. You're too retarded to even be able to keep up with this conversation.
Employment has far surpassed Bush levels.
Bush job creation: 1.1 million jobs in 8 years
Obama job creation: 14.4 million jobs and counting
It's not even close.
>>70178661
>So your plan for the economy is to get my 80 year old grandma back into the labor force?
I gave no plan or solution nor am I running for public office. I pointed out that a smaller workforce is bad regardless of cause. Perhaps you disagree with that assertion. If so tell me why.
Again you don't need to reach for insults and personal attacks if you want to debate.
>>70179151
I was referring to the article you linked. Again with the insults. Why so triggered?
>>70179205
>I gave no plan or solution nor am I running for public office. I pointed out that a smaller workforce is bad regardless of cause. Perhaps you disagree with that assertion. If so tell me why.
Yes we've known for decades that the baby boomers are a demographic bulge. I remember learning about that in social studies class.
My question is why haven't retarded right wingers figured this out yet?
I've already gone over what needs to be done to deal with the aging baby boomers.
Protip: NOT more tax cuts and wars.
Lift the taxable income cap and fix Social Security -- until 2070
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-le-0126-tuesday-social-security-20160126-story.html
>>70157226
>>70179005
You need to realize how utterly fucking impossible it was to actually fuck up the United States Economy after the Collapse of the Soviet Union.
Every economic strategy to put us a step above and ahead of the USSR was destroyed with NAFTA.
Thanks clinton for single handedly bringing our manufacturing and factories to their knees 20 years later.
Thanks FDR for obliterating our country with social security because the meme of a
>a countries population must infinitely grow to support the infinitely larger retirement population.
We are in a reverse pyramid scheme and all faggots like you do is blame someone else when the Democrats and Republicans are literally the same fucking thing at this point.
>>70178107
>Bush passed NAFTA
lololol
>>70179312
You know, the fact that in current year, in the supposed age, right wingers could still be so misinformed and fucking retarded, does sort of trigger me. I have to say. It gives me despair about the future of the human race when I can throw facts directly in front of right wing retards and the facts do nothing. It's as if right wingers are surrounded by a cloak of stupidity that shields them from facts.
This is all being cataloged for my research anyways. We're trying to understand the stupidity of the right wing mind.
Right wingers do appear to have some sort of cranial deformity that requires further research.
Why do you think this was such an important endeavor?
President Obama Unveils Brain Mapping Project
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2013/04/104826/president-obama-unveils-brain-mapping-project
>>70150014
Raymond Brannen, is that you?
http://thefutureprimaeval.net/you-cant-save-the-world-without-civilization/
>>70179661
>You need to realize how utterly fucking impossible it was to actually fuck up the United States Economy
Republicans manage to do it every time they get the presidency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw&feature=youtu.be&t=191
>>70150747
Yeah, I'm good with this.
Encourage firearm ownership and training as a civic duty to protect your country and self
>>70166301
I haven't argued for or against any government regulation in the financial sector on here. If we were going to have it, then Glass-Stegal was a decent piece of legislation that mostly worked. If we were not going to have any, we should have let the TBTF banks fail. In fact, that would be my preference. You assume a lot about me with little information. But then again, I think that our entire banking system is fucked, and needs to be redone from the ground up.
You assume way too much. Republicans and Democrats are both the fucking problem. They're both in Wall Street's pocket. The Clinton's are no exception. I don't like any of the candidates.
>>70166961
NM
>>70167344
I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I've said nothing about /r9k/.
>>70179751
What's so funny?
Watch this new clip from 1992 and then thank me for educating your retarded ass.
12/17/1992: Pres. Bush Signs NAFTA
http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/dec-17-1992-pres-bush-signs-nafta-15205420
Why are all of you motherfuckers so stupid? Seriously. Is it something in the water or what?
>>70179487
You only concern is the solvency of social security? Less workers means lower tax base. That means all government programs are screwed down the line.
Also your link is just a letter to the editor by some random guy. Facts indeed.
>>70151596
Is it better for one to be independent and take care of themselves or better for one to be dependent on others or the state?
If the second, why?
>>70179005
It's no secret that the economy under Clinton was a speculative bubble. Or don't you remember the dot com crash? But, much like the housing bubble, that was more driven by the Fed than it was the president.
>>70179797
You know I'm actually not a right winger, and assuming that everybody who disagrees with you is makes us not the retard here.
>>70179151
>>70179797
14.4 million burger flippers
>>70180155
Again, as I've already said, people have known for decades that the baby boomers are a demographic bulge. I don't know why right wing retards still haven't figured this out.
This is exactly why Bill Clinton left George Bush a $300 BILLION budget surplus and told you Republican morons to pay off the national debt within 10 years.
Bill Clinton left George Bush a $300 BILLION budget surplus for a reason. He told you morons to make sure you pay off the national debt. That was the plan. But nooo.. you right wing retards had to have your tax cuts and your wars.
Well here we are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O45zUlQPUQ0 [Embed]
Business: The Economy
Exorcising the US national debt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/380923.stm
What's your plan exactly? You're complaining about an aging workforce, as if it's somehow optional.
Are you suggesting we cull millions of baby boomers?
Are you suggesting we keep my 80 year old grandma toiling in the mines?
Or do you want to dramatically increase immigration to bring down the average age of the American worker?
Which is it, retard?
>>70180429
Source?
>>70179005
>It's not a big secret that Democrats are better for the economy.
That's also an essentially meaningless statement.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/science-isnt-broken/#part2
Capitalism built on land ownership:
>Dwindling desirable land left in England to make profit on.
>Everything is fine.
Invest in a skill set that people want.
>>70180280
>Or don't you remember the dot com crash?
You just proved your stupidity. You just your mental retardation on full blast.
You think pets.com and a few web companies going out of business was an economic crash?
Tell me this, retard. The Clinton economy created 23 million jobs during his presidency.
So how many jobs were lost during your supposed DOT COM CRASH.
I honestly want to know the answer. How many jobs, of the 23 million Clinton jobs, were lost in your precious DOT COM CRASH.
Answer this question.
I'll wait.
>>70180561
The only reason people vote Republican is because they want the economy to crash.
>>70180538
bureau of labor statistics as it says on the graph you didn't read as seeing things that conflict with your worldview causes your retina to boil away
>>70180839
Did you not follow the link?
>>70180429
Where's your evidence that the 14.4 million jobs are all burger flipper jobs.
Is this just the excuse you use to stay unemployed in your mother's basement?
There are literally 5.6 million job openings right now.
How are you such a loser that you can't find a job?
America has near record 5.6 million job openings
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/09/news/economy/america-5-6-million-record-job-openings/
>>70180680
Silly leaf. The labor participation rate has never been as high as it was right before that bubble popped, AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE IN THE OP. That was the peak. The Feds response to that crash was to blow an even bigger bubble. And now it is blowing an even bigger bubble than before. Each crash is worse than the last.
>>70180977
If you're saying that the economy thrives under Democrats and crashes under Republicans, just by happenstance, then shouldn't we vote for Democrats, just to be safe.
>>70177552
If what you say is true about the only people not finding jobs are stupid right wingers, then why does EVERYONE in America know someone, or is related to someone that hasn't found either a good job yet, or one at all? Be honest with yourself, if you left your job how easily could you find one that either paid more or the same? Just because Monster or indeed says there is a job doesn't mean there actually is one. If every company had to tell the truth about firing their employees and major layoffs their stocks would crash, that is the only reason they say there are plenty of jobs. Why can't we atleast agree that? Give us something, there must be common ground. Otherwise why should I let you live? Why have a society? Why? Explain.
>>70181110
I am not an american you moron
Additionally I used 'burger flipper' as a reductive and general term for anybody on part time or casual employment. This much should've been obvious to anyone who possessed as much reading comprehension as a small child with microcephaly and Down's Syndrome.
>>70180489
A budget surplus 16 years ago does nothing. Past congresses cant tie future congresses when it come to spending. That's why all these 10 years spending plans always fall apart. Because events usually overtake any past agreements. Yes agreements the president isn't a dictator, hes not responsible for all that's bad nor is he responsible for all that's good.
My plan is and eventual raising of the retirement age probably to 67, tax increases are likely, and importantly a real cut in government. Not future spending growth, not future plans, but real department cuts today.
Immigration probably wont help until we get a real guest worker program going and start to actively recruit skilled workers and not just peasants right out the the fields. We need more people paying taxes not taking welfare
Also
>He told you morons
Fuck off with this shit.
>>70178448
those are all part-time positions you assnugget
and the full-time positions are just for advertising the company
Our economy strikes me as basically stable, but I can't help but feel uneasy about how well we will do in the next 20 years with the rising tide of automation.
Angry Pro-Democrat poster, I am not a Republican at all and have no love for their party, but tell me-what will your beloved party do to prevent automation from turning our nation into a modern serfdom?
>>70158655
>Instead there was 8 years of prosperity.
Lol, the greatest generation investing it's wealth and the dominance of the petro dollar after the USSR fire sale and desert storm was temporary. Don't be fooled there was rampant inflation during you "eight years of prosperity."
>>70181181
...I take it you followed the link but didn't read it?
The point of that thing is to show there are many different ways of mesuring how an economy is doing (Employment, inflation, GDP, stock prices), there are many ways of measuring if republicans or democrats are "in charge" (Senate, House, governors, presidents), and it is a question whether or not recessions should be counted when measuring how well someone does.
Taking those factors into consideration (try out the interactive chart, it's pretty neat), you can say that either side has a positive or negative effect. As such, saying one side is "good for the economy" is meaningless.
>>70181315
>rs, then why does EVERYONE in America know someone, or is related to someone that hasn't found either a good job yet, or one at all
This seems awfully anecdotal.
> if you left your job how easily could you find one that either paid more or the same
The quits rate is at its highest since 2005 so that's yet another signal of the strength of the American labor market.
I'm not saying everything is perfect but jesus christ it's a hell of a lot better than Republicans make it out to be.
By the way, on the topic of wages, I absolutely love how right wingers bitch and complain about wages but are completely and categorically opposed to minimum wage increases.
The irony is not lost on these fools.
>>70181335
So you have no source. That's what I thought kangaroofucker.
Why does A FUCKING LEAF care so much about the US economy?
How come he has so many "facts" that he posts whenever there's an economics thread?
>hurr durr I'm an economist
pics or it didn't happen
>>70181380
Obama job creation has been 95% full time actually.
>>70177552
The Spectacular Myth of Obama's Part-Time America—in 5 Graphs
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/02/the-spectacular-myth-of-obamas-part-time-america-in-5-graphs/283674/
Why are you right wing retards just parroting debunked right wing talking points. Your bullshit gets debunked in 2 seconds.
>>70181508
I am just going to kill people for fun. You can't do anything about it, who knows maybe I'll get you. Wouldn't that be fun?
>>70181735
kek
>>70181727
You are a very effective ironic shitposter. I always knew canadians were worse for it than Australians. You pretend to hold a position you don't actually hold and follow with complete non-sequitur statements when you run out of counterarguments. Congratulations on all the (you)'s you've got anyway, you deserve them.
>>70181688
>The quits rate is at its highest since 2005 so that's yet another signal of the strength of the American labor market.
Or maybe people are getting fed up with one shitty part-time job and moving to another one?
Quits rate doesn't determine the strength of the market on its own. Especially not in an economy that's automating as much as ours.
>>70181508
Automation is a good thing. The leaf is right about the boomers retiring leaving a worker shortage in time. More automation means most low skill jobs go away. There will be social chaos but atleast it might put an end to mass illegal immigration.
In any event its not something any political party can stop.
>>70181735
Maybe because his own economy isnt that great right now.
What percentage of new jobs, part time or full time, are within 3 dollars per hour of the minimum wage?
>>70150747
>increase tariffs
This does not follow. Increasing tariffs fucks your consumers, both in price and in quantity of goods available. It's using government power to reward domestic businesses and shelter them from having to compete on the international marketplace. Increasing tariffs on imported goods is no different from imposing a minimum national price on steel or wheat or cars or any other good. It is no different from setting a minimum wage. It rewards some of your countrymen at the expense of others.
>>70181735
Because if his view on how the world works is challenged, he starts to hyperventilate. It's what happens when you build your economy on selling heavy crude from tar sands to your neighbor and and the price of oil takes a shit.
>>70181995
better hope trudoo doesn't find all that gold he's wearing
>>70181892
I never said I was an economist.
But yes I do look at economic data. Every time a jobs report comes out, I study it.
bls.gov
Jesus Christ, this is the information age. This information isn't exactly that hard to come by.
Yes I read private sector material as well.
And yes I think you have some of the hottest women on the planet.
>>70181892
Yeah, but Aussie shitposts are fun and joyful.
>>70181688
OK some common ground was found I am happpy with that. Somewhere between total economic collapse and total recovery.
>>70181894
Jesus Christ.
US hiring reaches 9-year high
http://www.timescolonist.com/us-hiring-reaches-9-year-high-job-openings-slip-1.2223883
December jobs report could cap best 2 years since 1998-1999
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/december-jobs-report-could-cap-best-2-years-since-1998-1999-2016-01-01
It's basically the best labor market since 2000.
>>70181915
But how will all those laid off make money? If a society can't make work for its people, it seems doomed to mass criminality and chaos.
Of course politics can stop it-politics ended entire classes of human beings. Millions of angry, desperate people created from new economic styles caused the Red Terror.
I fear that more than anything-demagogues wielding rage who make the problems of automation look paltry next to their tyranny.
>>70150014
This is what people have been saying for a long time.
But they just say it differently.
They point towards overflows of beuracracy crippled by red-tape.
