Why do you believe in God?
>>70138727
because i believe in myself
>>70139582
What does God have to do with believing in yourself?
>>70138727
I don't
>>70138727
something must have created this fucking gay universe
>>70140408
maladets
>>70140479
I did, my son
I don't
>>70140311
me=god
Because God had mercy on me and saw my effort to know the truth.
"And if Allah had willed, He could have made you [of] one religion, but He causes to stray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And you will surely be questioned about what you used to do."
The noble Quran 16:93
>>70138727
I don't believe in 1 single God, however nor do I believe in multiple Gods. I think there's a collective power that brought us here and sometimes I think the AyyLmaos are what these "religious founders" thought were Gods.
>>70138727
Because meme magic is real
>>70138727
I don't
>>70140553
ewww gross.
>>70140482
cпc, пaцaнчик
I don't
>>70140479
Consider the following:
The universe came from God but where did he come from? It doesnt add logicity to the coming into existence outta nothing but adds complexity. What is more likely to come outta nothing, super complex and super powerful being with consieousness and will or simple chemicals?
How do you think you'd feel if you lived a life of "sin" and then get sent to hell for not being a believer?
Sometimes I sit and think about that, is the risk of a "sin" today and tomorrow worth spending all eternity in hell?
>>70138727
Having considered all possibilities, it is the most likely reason as to how things came to be.
No other hypothesis offers such a complete explanation.
without me there wouldn't be the world
What if God is browsing /pol/ rignt now?
>>70141296
Is this bait?
>>70140691
Thats pretty strange, elaborate
>>70140765
How do you know islam is true but not other thousands of religions?
>>70141154
>where did he come from
Is it hard to comprehend the answer "he was always here"?
God literally doesn't have to obey the rules of time. He always was, is and will be.
>>70141383
No, I've considered everything from exogenesis to chance. Belief in a creator is logical.
Because to think all live on earth happened coincidentally by chance takes a lot of faith I simply dont have.
>>70141405
Fucking this.
Because I'm afraid of reality and I think life should be my personal safe space so I believe that there's a father figure in the sky who loves me because I'm mentally a child. Also I try to restrict other people's freedoms.
Also I'm not an SJW
>>70141405
>>70141556
>He is there because he must be because he has always been
nice logic dips
>>70138727
>because i witnessed he's real after decades of being fedora dogmatic science freak
>>70141243
There are helluva religions and hells, how do you know yours is the true one?
>>70141324
Are you a solipsist?
>>70141710
yes
>>70141243
You live a life of sin not accepting Allah's will too so you might as well be a Muslim while you're at it, faggot.
>>70141381
>mfw god is an australian and all life is just a shitpost he made.
There is no god
>>70138727
Because he exist and we should pray him so we can go to heaven.
>>70141886
this kills man
Riddle me this, Christfags: can your so-called omnipotent God create a rock that he can't lift?
>>70141681
Well where is he hiding and why wouldnt he show up?
>>70141546
To think that simple chemicals spread as the universe expand, get fused in supernovas, then form life on one planet and all that happens gradually is less likely then a super being from nothing? Ok, m8
>>70141405
>Universe couldnt exist forever thats illogical, someone created it
> But he existed forever
Cant you see the contradiction?
>>70142266
yep
>>70142296
Stop using logic you'll trigger the christcucks.
The human body doesn't have any qualities to make it capable of transcending into some ethereal plane.
Let's say I go to hell forever or whatever. Where'd I go? Did my 'spirit' only go, or am I back in my flesh and blood body? Eventually my nerves will dull to the pain, and if somehow they're magically kept sensitive then the big nerve in my brain will become dull, and if that's somehow magicked up then changing my brain really just changes me entirely so it wasn't even me in Hell anymore, just some husk in the flames.
If it's my spirit? Well, first off, I don't even know how you wrap your head around the idea that there's a magical ghost in your body, why would there be? What function would it serve? Was it only placed there so that God could torture it later? Kind of a dick move. Being omniscient, he knew he was gonna fuck my ghost in the end. But what if *I* am my spirit, then what purpose does my brain serve? Is the brain just some fatty anchor for the spirit to stay in the body? What constitutes death then? When does the spirit know to leave the body? Where does it go?
Is my spirit just some VR where I'll be forced to go through simulations of shitty experiences forever? Eventually God is gonna have to up his game or I'm going to get used to even his worst shit with enough time, or he's just going to have to make me a braindead ghost vegetable, either way, doesn't matter.
>>70142266
as far as melon scratchers go, thats a honey doodle.
>>70141154
>Thinking that a being that created Time, Matter and Space is somehow also caught in that trinity.
k
>>70138727
Psychedelics
>>70141154
God is the simplest being possible tho
>>70138727
Because the fear of being rejected by so many people, both in my family and society at large, urged me to just go along with it.
>>70141154
In order for something to begin to exist, something must cause it to... but God never began to exist, he simply always existed.
Even if you reject God, you will have to accept that there was *something* that has always existed. otherwise you will find that whatever caused the universe needed a cause to begin, which in turn needs a cause to begin which also needed a cause of its own ad infinitum. Without something having always existed, existence simply can't get started.
>>70142015
There were thousands of religions and there are thousands now. All of them have their own Gods and stories and afterlifes. How do you know that islam isnt just one of them, Tunisia? Ancient Greeks believed in Zeus Poseidon and other gods, ancient slavs in Perun Veles and Mokosh. But now these religions are gone. Hows islam different?
>>70142734
I highly doubt that you created the universe Anon
>>70142296
so youre saying , the universe bubbled and boiled all these atoms smashing against one another till they managed to come together and create this world by chance and chaotic disorder?
when is the last time you've solved a complex mathematical problem by chance and randomly placing numbers everywhere?
atheists are nothing more than children just throwing a tantrum and screaming, "no I dont want that jacket I want this toy!"
>>70142976
When did the singularity from which the universe expanded suddenly appear into existence?
>>70138727
Because you need something to believe in when society and people have failed you.
Throw me a just a bone, a beacon of hope, and i'll take it
>>70138727
out of body experience
>>70142976
Time hasn't always existed.
The big bang literally started time itself. There's not some infinite history in reverse.
There is no God.
>>70143088
kek
>>70143272
When?
>>70143123
>when is the last time you've solved a complex mathematical problem by chance and randomly placing numbers everywhere
That doesn't disprove your claim.
Why do you think Earth, out of the billions of stars, is the only planet we've seen with life so far?
Shit has a low probability fampai.
>>70143272
Jew physics really?
>>70141851
That's the thing though, are you willing to take that risk?
I currently don't follow a religion but I'm not an atheist. I just scare myself thinking and asking, "what if I was on the right path and then fell off"
>>70142266
Yes. He could even make it so that he could lift it also.
>>70143528
Anon if God is so vindictive that he sends everyone to eternal torture regardless of whether or not he knew they'd sin anyway (being omniscient and all), then he already knows if you're going to heaven or hell.
Just relax.
>>70141710
I hate Muslims they all act like Fucking jews, and you can't say they don't.
They're all just jews who smell worse and decided to get a tan.
>>70138727
The same reason you believe information received from your sense faculties corresponds to real objects - because I want to.
>>70143160
About 13.82 billion years ago, as far as we've been able to tell. That is did appear into existence, that is to say it begin to exist, tells us that something caused it to. I think that something was God.
>>70143528
That's why the psychological trap exists in the first place.
People tend to behave civilized when they think they're being observed.
It's okay. You can climb out of it. Nothing out here is gonna burn you for eternity. Just remember why you were in there.
>>70142734
An omnipotet and omniscient being with will and consciousness is simple?
>>70142545
And proofs that such a being exists are....?>>70142976
Its hard I know. Universe either existed forever, which to me is illogical, or came from nothing, which is equally illogical.
> there was *something* that has always existed. otherwise you will find that whatever caused the universe needed a cause to begin, which in turn needs a cause to begin which also needed a cause of its own ad infinitum. Without something having always existed, existence simply can't get started.
You see, introducing God doesnt make it logical. You have to start somewhere, but why not the universe? It is illogical that it came from nothing, but the answer it was created by God who came from nothing doesnt make it more logical and has one superfluos detail.
I'm a cuc and I really want to lick the cheese and sand between a brown man's toes so I accepted Jesus Christ.
>>70143738
>About 13.82 billion years ago, as far as we've been able to tell.
False.
The current cosmological model does not refer to any point at which the singularity "began" to exist, as time itself was not a factor and non-existence would imply a point in time prior.
Religion formed so that people could cope with the fear of death and that the powerful could use it to extort and control the masses.
Fear of a king punishing you? Enough angry peasants will just rise up eventually and not fear a king.
Fear of an omnipotent God punishing you? Now you're really reconsidering stealing that loaf of bread aren'tchya.
Shit just got out of hand and it's still around. Now it's also a lens that people too frustrated with a lack of answers and too stupid to actually pursue research for mankind's quest for actual knowledge use to know "why".
Well golly, wasn't that easy? You solved the whole meaning of life, answered all the questions you smart monkey you. It's so simple, right? A big man in the sky made it all huh.
>>70143396
yes and even an improbable probability it all happened by chance with no intelligent force behind it to snap the all the pieces together and make them take shapw,form and function.
Something, someone had to put it all in motion.
Okay, so let's say this, if he already knows your fate, knows if you're going to heaven or hell then does it still matter what lifestyle you live?
I love talking about religion as a whole versus the difference in religions .
>>70144144
Bruh just do whatever you were gonna do anyway, he already knows you were gonna do it. He knew you were gonna question this shit right now, and knows what you're gonna do because you thought about it.
When you were a sperm in your dads balls he knew whether or not you were gonna have a shitty life, resort to crime, and then go to hell forever to somehow actually suffer for eternity, yet he forgot to actually give humans the capacity to endure or experience anything in infinite without or minds and personalities going blank, so I guess he goofed and is just bluffing.
>>70143817
Yeahh I get the whole "you behave better when some one's watching" but if your fate is decided the second you're born and religion says that your fate is already made up, then why follow any religious rules?
>>70144112
>The current cosmological model
Humans are retarded monkies trying to start a car by trying to guess how the universe came about.
Really we dont have the intelligence nor imagination for it nor even know where to begin looking for the clues.
All we got are stupid monkey theories and wild guesses.
>>70144449
It's okay. You can climb out of it. Nothing out here is gonna burn you for eternity.
>>70138727
I believe in Kek
because atheism isnt any better
>>70144534
Well if you're going to invalidate the cosmological model then you can't use the "Big Bang" theory to argue your imaginary friend into existence, and now you're back to the story book.
>>70144738
>"big bang theory"
and thats all what it is, just a stupid monkey wild guess
>>70144738
i like the parts of science I can manipulate to prove my claim and i ignore the ones that disprove it
>>70144449
Also, all of that nonsense is what they came up with when people reasoned that omnipotence is in conflict with free will.
>>70144534
Pretty much. Arrogant child playing with plastic tools on a huge sand beach.
>>70144829
>just a stupid monkey wild guess
>a theory is a guess
wew lad
>>70144425
I do whatever the fuck I want, and I gladly take what I deserve. I man up and take responsibility. But if I were destined to go to hell and I lived a very peaceful and religious life, I'd be Fucking pissed
>>70144829
lmao theory =/= guess
Did you even read a science book growing up?
And to think us Americans are supposed to have the shitty education system.
>>70143123
No, i believe that there are strict physical laws (gravitation and other bullshit). Your coin doesnt fall on heads or tails by chance, it is determined by complex previous conditions (resistance of air, trajectory, mass of coin etc). Same with Earth. The universe is not chaotic, it is orderly.
>>70143166
You need to believe is not an argument. You may as well believe in unicorns because you dont wanna live in a cruel cold world without unicorns
>>70143168
How do you know it isnt just phantasy of your brain just like dreams?
>>70143683
I cant force myself to believe that if stand of a cliff i will walk the air no matter how bad i wantto
>>70144985
thats exactly what it is, you mong, a theory is just an assumption.
And the "big bang" theory was never proved or backed with real facts.
some self centered asshole came up with an idea
"oh, well this is how it must have happened" and all the stupid monkeys jumped on the bandwagon.
Kinda like how like politics works
>>70145285
>a theory is just an assumption
This is not what a scientific theory is.
>>70145200
No, you actually could if you wanted to. You just have other beliefs that make you not want to, and prevent you from wanting to since you arbitrarily put more weight on them.
>>70145285
losing alot of respect for poland now desu
>>70138727
why not
>>70145285
>thats exactly what it is, you mong, a theory is just an assumption.
holy kek you seriously don't know the difference between a scientific theory and hypothesis
Did Hitler smash all the schools?
>>70145285
>look out in to the universe
>see all the galaxies moving away from you
>why would that be happening?
>silly Satan, always trying to deceive me, lol
That's you.
>>70141402
Because Islam is the only religion that I can see happening everywhere in the universe. It is about worshipping the creator of the universe alone without any partners. Pure monotheism, the only religion that does that. Also if you listen to the Quran it is obviously supernatural, no human can create anything similar.
>>70145571
Humans wrote the quran bruh
Theories have always changed throughout history as men explored deeper into them and redefined them from different perspectives.
Many of your "theories" have proven wrong over the centuries
Therefore yes theory is just an assumption
>>70145677
Goats wrote the quran bruh. They didn't want Abdul to leave them.
>>70138727
I don't I'm not a faggot.
>>70145366
My sensory organs receive information which goes to the brain. I cant force myself to erase or change that information. I cant force myself to believe in god or astrology or that cows fly
>>70138727
I don't, why do you assume that I do?
>>70145959
Because you're surrounded by mudslimes that'll burnrape you for not fucking sheep
>>70145870
You assume your sensory organs actually receive information. You might not even have sensory organs at all - you could be a brain in a vat. You are entirely capable of doubting or ignoring any information you think you receive. You can thus find reason to believe in anything, since anything is possible when nothing is established besides the fact that you have thoughts beyond a doubt.
I think I experienced the holy spirit or some kind of divine blessing when I begged for forgiveness/mercy.
Specifically from Jesus Christ.
Arbitrary limits to how the universe works, recursion, existentialism.
With "artificial" intelligence getting closer as a possibility, along with a true virtual reality, it will be difficult to not interpret our view of physics as intelligent design.
I personally believe that consciousness itself exists "transdimensionally" to our measurable world. That is, intelligence permeates through iterations of universes.
>>70145571
Every religion adds a bunch of ritual bullshit that has nothing to do with spiritualism at all. Why the fuck do you need to bow your ass to the heavens 5 times a day? Why that number? Just some meaningless shit to get you used to doing irrational things. Former Mormon here. Half the "religion" was bullshit clothes and handsshakes. "God" seemed like an afterthought.
>>70145754
>Theories have always changed throughout history
You know, that's the great thing about science. The idea of admitting that a theory is incorrect in some way and supporting it through evidence, experimentation and observation.
That's a lot better than thinking God just did everything and putting on a blindfold, furthering your stupidity.
>still doesn't know the difference between a theory and a hypothesis
>>70145571
>Because Islam is the only religion that I can see happening everywhere in the universe.
As far as I Know islam is only practised on earth in some regions
>It is about worshipping the creator of the universe alone without any partners.
Pure monotheism, the only religion that does that.
Why do you think somebody created the universe?
>Also if you listen to the Quran it is obviously supernatural, no human can create anything similar.
Why there helluva islamic sects? The Quran wasnt so perfect and clear and different people interpret it diffrently
>>70146344
>That's a lot better
For you
not for me.
You go ahead and believe in your inconsistent "theories" some faggot spouted just to make a fool out of you.
Im going to stick with my imaginary guy in the sky.
>>70146154
We never got to finish that argument a while back about the induction problem. You had a clever approach I hadn't seen before and it was pretty underhanded, so I've got one for you in return.
>If logic itself is invalidated by the induction problem and the induction problem itself was only discovered using logic, then how can we be sure that the induction problem even exists?
>>70146344
>>still doesn't know the difference between a theory and a hypothesis
This is getting to be one of my least favorite internet meme arguments.
I know just how much fedora-tippers like to bring this up. I remember one time one of you preemptively assumed that when I said "theory of evolution", I automatically was trying to use the "it's just a theory" argument and went off with this shit.
>>70146699
>>70146344
oh yeah and dubble dubs triumphs your singl dubs.
shove that theory up your ass.
>>70146154
Yeah I agree. I thought about it. But since I cannot verify anything beyond that i just assume that i have sensory organs and all that shits true.
>>70146212
Muslims experience allah, hindus experienc e their gods just like you, who is right?
>>70144117
>Religion formed so that people could cope with the fear of death and that the powerful could use it to extort and control the masses.
lmao, I miss being 16
Religion formed to tie together tribes of otherwise hostile people in order to move on from simple nomadic hunter/gathere life to agriculture . The oldest permanent human settlements were agrarian societies centered around temples like Göbekli Tepe.
Modern civilization would never have been possible if sheep fuckers from thousands of years ago wouldn't have come up with the idea of religion.
You might want to actually read about the subject, think about it really hard, and only then come to a conclusion next time. Unless you only want to listen and believe what your marxist teachers tell you, that is.
>>70145368
he is right though you get cucked without god just read the bible what is happening now
>>70146732
>This is getting to be one of my least favorite internet meme arguments.
Therefore, God exists.
I don't. Religion is fucking stupid. It was just shit people used for power back in the day.
There was a battle in the past where religious people were fighting and the Catholic church decreed that any man who died would die with his sins forgiven. I chuckled about it. "Die for us, you stupid cattle."
Did you know that Christianity includes angels and demons? Seriously, you're supposed to believe in angels and demons hahaha. Might as well include elves and fairies.
>>70146906
You literally just said the same thing m8
>>70146716
Logic itself isn't invalidated. Scientific reasoning is, since it relies on the logically invalid assumption that the future will be like the past. No where in the problem is logic itself invalidated.
>>70146875
And I assume that God exists and that His Word is true. Same thing.
>>70147147
Prove that logic will be valid in 5 minutes.
>>70142266
No, because he is by definition omnipotent, and would be able to able to lift literally anything. Lack of the ability to create such an object demonstrates His omnipotence, rather than disproves it.
>>70147488
A priori deductions don't deal with time states.
>>70143919
God transcends will and consciousness
>>70147519
it would not even weight anything for him because he is beyond that
>>70146875
Allah is the same god as Christianity's. I've seen a lot of this argument in this thread:
>there's LITERALLY THOUSANDS of religions, and you think your's is the right one? heh kid
There's 3 major religions. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. They all have the same God, and each one is just an addition on top of the other. These 3 Abrahamic religions account for the vast majority of religious people on Earth, the only other two relevant major religions are Buddhism and Hinduism, the rest is irrelevant pagan shit.
What I experienced was so physically intense that it changed my life and made me a devout Christian, that's how I know who is right.
>>70146941
this is why i believe in God
but honestly, FUCK Catholicism
bunch of self-hating heretics
>>70147669
*God IS will and conciousness
>>70147188
I didnt meant that i believe everything's real. i mean that i cannot know it, so why bother try to? The only information I got is that i have thoughts. I can suppose that i'm in a madhouse and it is all a delusion, or i'm ai, or its all simulation truman show or ehe Thirteenth Floor, but i have no reasons and no ground to believe that. The simplest supposition is that i get information from sensory organs, and until i get evidence to the contrary i will stick to it.
>>70147833
meh islam stole from the jews and christfags
christfag stole from the jews
and the jews dont even exist anymore
>>70148099
so if mudslimes die off... christfags win?
>>70147998
>I cannot know it
You don't know that either.
But my point still stands - you're running on an assumption because you want to use that as an assumption. I want to use God as an assumption, so I do. It's exactly the same thing.
>>70145554
perhaps they're not moving away? perhaps it's an optical illusion?
Maybe they're angels playing tricks on us?
Have you even been on the sun? No!
You dont know it it'll attempt to bite you when you touch it.
So there go your big bang theory out the window.
>>70142976
yet the most simple solution is to think that matter (atoms and what compose them) is that only something.
And again, big bang is not about creation of matter. It's a "dilatation" of matter that was already there.
why believing in some old guy in the sky, when matter is all this universe is ?
>>70148293
I really thought better of you Poland
>>70143919
I actually agree that choosing the universe as the thing that always existed is a viable solution to this problem... for the most part.
The main issue I have with this solution is that it appears we do not live in a eternal universe, and I have a few reasons to believe so, but the biggest is Entropy.
Our universe, taken as a whole, it continuously winding down, as energy is used and left in less and less useful states. An infinite universe means infinite time for this winding down to occur... in such a case you would expect the universe to already be long dead.
>>70148226
impossible there need to be a miracle to make that happen. the one who think they are jews are winning
>>70148491
>implying I care what you think of me.
You'll probably die in a car wreck tomorrow and I couldnt care enough to care 1 bit.
>>70148293
>angels playing tricks on us
>illusion
>this much damage control
once you understand what god is...
...Not what has been described and prescribed by the mainstream...it is impossible not to believe in god.
>>70138727
I believe in the concept and possibility that a god-like being is out there and may or may not have been the creator of everyone, no one can fucking know. But if you believe in an organized religion, if you say that the christian god is right, mudslime god is right, or even as an atheist to say that there is 100% no god, it is all fucking retarded. A god may exist, but to claim that your '''''''''''''''''''religion'''''''''''''''''' is the right one is the stupidest, most ignorant thing I hear
>>70148274
Its differant. I make an assuption that info comes from sensory organs because the info is all ive got and cannot confirm or falsify the info using this very info. But im ready to reconsider it in the future if i get something else. Thats epistemology. But beyond epistemology, in info i get i dont make arbitrary assumptions (like that elves exist). In info iget i see no reason to believe in God.
You didnt tell me bout your epistemology btw
>>70149153
>because it's all I've got
No, you have a whole lot more than that - your thoughts are not dependent on sensory experience. In fact, to even talk about sensory experience, your thought *MUST* precede them and subsequently process them. And there's not one way to process them - you can think about any given thought however you'd like. But you attach yourself to the assumption that your sensory experience is real *when you don't have to*. You choose to because you want to.
My epistemology is soft-solipsistic at root, but not at all when I take God as an axiom (which I do).
>>70148856
If life is a test and we discover god by science what test would that have been. he created the universe and it is expanding ,so when we look with a telescope we see real far .he knew this thousands of years ago. also in the bible god disrupted scientific progress so now we are right where we are suppose to be
>>70147620
Okay. Indeed. I'll have to work on this one some more.
I still see you as an underhanded trickster and I suspect you don't actually believe the things you claim to in these threads and you know how frustrating you're being.
I can admire that.
>>70148880
I miss high school. Where everything was deep just because you said it cryptically as to not actually give any argument.
>>70149710
There's nothing underhanded about my thought processes - it's quite literally one of my life's tenets to be as intellectually honest as possible. You may not like the conclusions you reach when talking to me, but that doesn't mean what I'm saying is deceptive or malicious.
>>70148574
>Entropy
wellll, wait a little:)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe
is a historically suggested theory of the ultimate fate of the universe. In the language of physics, this is when the universe reaches thermodynamic equilibrium (maximum entropy).
>>70149853
what you're looking for is someone to prove god exists to you through science, youre looking in the wrong place. Because you'll only find the devil and his deceptions if you search there. Search inside yourself, and behold., You will find god.
under aged fag.
>>70147052
Care to explain your reasoning?
>>70138727
i dont
>>70149674
Okay, scenario time.
Poor ole GramGram is getting old, she don't see well, she don't hear well, but damn does she smell.
I go into GramGram's room and hit her in the head with a hammer, GramGram don't hear see or smell shit now and is basically a vegetable.
Now, to GramGram, she could be experiencing any number of things. Fuck if I know, I'm in jail now. But when the social worker goes in to check on GramGram all he sees is some old husk sitting in bed drooling. Well, he and GramGram are seeing differnent shit now right? Well, no one else sees what GramGram sees, but another worker comes in and sees an old husk drooling and shitting itself, and then the rest of GramGram's family comes in and sees the same thing.
GramGram may be having some epiphany or spiritual experience, but every other human on the planet just sees a shit covered vegetable.
I think GramGram may just be brain damaged.
>>70149982
Altogether you've put a lot of work into establishing and refining your position (and I regrettably have not); but in the end it's still the equivalent of "God exists. Prove me wrong."
>>70150262
>what you're looking for is someone to prove god exists to you through science, youre looking in the wrong place
>quit trying to use logic and evidence to support your beliefs
desu its pretty sad to see this kind of brainwashing up close
>>70150457
you're an asshole of a grandson.
>>70150629
No, I don't ever ask to be proven wrong. And I only say "God exists" as my belief and a core assumption in how I'm going to operate. You can believe what you like - I'm going to hold that there is a God and we're all ultimately accountable to Him.
>>70138727
Because i look around at this amazing universe and know that we exist for something more than to eat shit and die
>>70150457
>Well, he and GramGram are seeing differnent shit now right?
Not necessarily. They could be "seeing" the same thing. Or neither could have any thoughts to begin with - the worker might be an automaton with only the cursory appearances of being a human and having thoughts. GramGram too.
Maybe some observable evidence for evolution
science tells us if a human has hate and anger in him this is because we still have parts of evolution from reptiles in our brain.
How is it possible that a animal does not have this a cat does not think he is a former evoluted animal he is a cat . a cow is cow and a dog is a dog
>not any of you atheist fucks can awnser this
>>70150729
Logic is used when youre cooking soup or playing chess, to achieve a goal, when you find god you've achieved your goal in your search.
as for evidence, if you're a dense dimwit you or deep down you're just too scared then you wont recognize the evidence for evidence even if it's in front of your eyes
I don't believe in a god and I'm not into spiritual stuff.
>>70138727
Because i like he idea of mystery and ourexistence. there is a god we might all have different interpretations. But possibility that pure science has created us. What do u call that? A coincidence? Its certaibly ppssible and likely. But the other chance... The unknown i like to call God.
how can atheism be real if abiogenesis isn't real
>>70138727
>tested it and it works
>>70141243
Religion intentionally tries to make its followers think along those lines to rule them with fear so that they can be controlled and never revolt.
>>70151660
abrahamic religions are notorious for using terrorism to keep the flock of sheep in line
>>70151125
>How is it possible that a animal does not have this a cat does not think he is a former evoluted animal he is a cat . a cow is cow and a dog is a dog
what
>>70151966
>atheist babby can't even understand basic logic
>>70152131
To be fair the English isn't great from the Netherlander there.
>>70151125
No one can answer it because you formatted your question like someone having a stroke and trying to get 911 service through the special instructions section on the Domino's website
Because I AM god, bitch.
>>70152383
haha good one burger maybe you saw my flag and burger is not my first language
>>70152713
just speak to him in toothpaste from now on lets see what a real smartass he is.
>>70143304
This.
And even if there is, it isn't your retarded sky daddy. If you think a story told by people in caves before pluming is even posably true, you are the idiots the lie of religion was made to control.
>>70143388
At the beginning of time? You fucking pleb. Learn to read.
>>70153219
Romans 1:22King James Version (KJV)
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
>>70146906
So you agree then??
>>70153919
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
>>70138727
I really don't know.
>>70145571
how do you even pray to mecca from somewhere else iin the universe how do you ramadan without earths sunset
moehahaha muslims cant go in to space earth is your prison
I must be insane to be atheistic.
I have to be insane, because that's the only way I can account for the fact that so many people in the world can actually believe the wild and wacky shit they do and not see how wild and wacky it is. Because it's not wild and wacky at all and I've just gone full fedora tipping retard because I'm so afraid of what would happen to my soul if God exists.
Therefore, God exists, and I'm seriously about to go down to the car and run a hose from the exhaust to the window because I can't force myself to accept what is so obvious to everyone else.
>>70142266
What if He created a rock that you couldn't lift?
Let me see you create a rock God can't lift, and then I might consider you qualified to make pronouncements on whether or not God exists.
How many rocks have you created, by the way?
>>70157155
I don't know about lifting, but I doubt even a god could break the boulders that so painfully rend my anus.
>>70142403
>Stop using logic you'll trigger the christcucks.
>Logically, if God existed, wouldn't he like, come at my beck and call and do my bidding?
>Well, I'm still sitting here all mortal and powerless, so obviously there IS no God, and if THERE IS a God, well then he's a total JERK!
Atheism, everybody.
>>70156680
Wait.
THAT'S IT!
I'm insane! How can anything be wild and wacky if you're insane!
Join me, fellow fedora tippers, and we can rejoice forever in heaven as we inhale the sweet smoke of billions of burning souls beneath us!
>>70150457
You sure can generate thousands of words, on command, completely off the cuff, to explain all the different aspects of what it feels like to be a complete and total nihilist.
Brother, if you love the cold, black emptiness of oblivion so much, then go worship it silently to yourself, or is it a tent of your faith to represent the worst of both worlds at all times?
>>70150729
>desu its pretty sad to see this kind of brainwashing up close
The only thing we know about science is that science doesn't explain the universe yet.
If you don't have the whole picture, if you just have pieces and parts, then any conclusion you might draw from those pieces and parts is ultimately skewed.
Science would be a great idea, and maybe many quadrillions of years from now, science as understood by Mankind will be closing in on understanding 50% of the universe, BUT GUESS WHAT!
There's still plenty of room for God in the other 50%
Don't just look at it, EAT IT.
>>70155007
The first one just find our star and pray towards it, as for the second you can't.
>>70140479
I guess there are things that can become from "the nothing", as long as we know that something material can't, then whatever created reality and matter, must be something else between nothing, and material reality. That should be god, or whatever you want to call it.
>>70161726
Putting God in the gaps of your knowledge isn't going to explain anything. One day there will be an explanation and then what will happen to your god? Your god will keep getting pushed out as more information comes in. besides using god to fill the gaps in your knowledge is just lazy, it makes you complacent and unwilling to learn more. If you don't know something, then you don't know.
>>70138727
Because my parents told me to, and I am of feeble mind.
>>70143123
So you are saying its more likely there was a magical creator that their exists no evidence for than natural laws which can be observed? If you do believe in the magical creator which one is it? Does it not worry you that your religion was most likely not the first and will not be the last?
>>70138727
Theism is for inferior races.
I'm pretty divided on the matter. On one hand, the rational part of me is by definition materialist and nihilist, but on the other hand:
>i cannot comprehend the idea of death and going from being to not being
>i cannot justify morality from a rational perspective(and instinct/empathy/social programming doesn't cut it), yet even though rationally I should be a nihilist, I still have some sort of moral compass and seek the Absolute for fulfillment/purpose
>i cannot comprehend the idea of sentience since at best I would be more or less a solipsist and that still does not explain as to why I exist(as a mind) when I as an individual am nothing more than another biological machine amongst billions that existed, exist and will exist
t. confused cosmotheist or some shit
>>70153526
>Implying God = Religion
