Was there even 6 million Jews in western Europe during WW2? I had a hard time trying to explain the falsehoods of the holohoax to my father the otherday.
No, the holocaust was real. Go back stormfag before the JIDF find you.
Is the 6,000,000 all jews though?
Hitler also killed Catholics, Gypsies, Gays, and the disabled in those camps, it could be the jews trying to take all of the casualties as their own
>>70137261
>the holocaust was real
>>70137409
>Hitler killed Catholics
No
>>70137120
Does he respect the red cross?
They say only 300k died in Auschwitz.
Total Jewish population numbers pre- war and post war actually show a net gain of 3 million Jews.
>>70137120
There were six million Jews everywhere in the world during WW2, and for centuries before that. You see, Jews are produced in a giant spaceship beneath the Earth. Every time they get shoa'd, 6 million new ones simply spring up elevators, ready to get shoa'd all over again 5 year after the last shoa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjRsoLqHGr4
>>70137261
It happened but come on man it wasn't six million.
>>70137409
Hitler killed 12 million. Half were Jews.
>>70137577
He killed Poles :^
Majority of jews that perished in the holocaust (actual number here is irrelevant) were from eastern europe.
>>70137742
No way.
So you don't have your facts you just start spurging out? That only works 3 days into a meth binge.
>>70137630
>Jul 20, 1921
>BEGA AMERICA SAVE 6,000,000 IN RUSSIA
>666
>6,666,666 Jews
>>70137120
It had to have been much less than 6 million.....they couldn't get rid of all those bodies.
>>70137120
Most of those killed were in Eastern Europe, not Western.
>>70137768
How many German civilians did Poles massacre prior to Germany invading?
> http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm
> http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities_p219-223.htm
>>70137120
>Was there even 6 million Jews in western Europe during WW2? I had a hard time trying to explain the falsehoods of the holohoax to my father the otherday.
no, there were not 6 million in western europe.
but most of the holocausted ones were from eastern europe, primarily from poland and USSR
Of course the holocaust happened most of us believe, but the few autists who post about. I guess autism speaks louder than words
>>70138692
>but most of the holocausted ones were from eastern europe, primarily from poland and USSR
;^)
>>70138738
>Of course the holocaust happened most of us believe
Of course you do.
;^)
Have fun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MejbBsSAP8I
>>70138523
We asked them nicely to leave and they refused to GTFO.
But seriously, take your lies and not-real sources somewhere else please.
I know you are trying to trigger me with you bullshit, but killing random 100 Germans doesn't justify invading the Country and killing a large portion of its population.
>>70138959
Hey, at least you were honest enough to admit the massacre took place. That's rare.
> http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities_p224-229.htm
>>70138738
Of course however it was nowhere near as big as it is made out to be.
>>70139184
Listen nigger. "jrbooksonline" is not a valid source. You are retarded and probably a self hating Pole. Killing people is 100% justified when they threaten the integrity and safety of your Country, mkay?
>>70138959
Not saying Germany is innocent but your country acted like some smug cunts. Your marshal spoke as if Poland could wipe the German military out and you kept stalling negotiations for the Danzig corridor.
>>70138738
>>70137261
>$0.10 has been deposited into your good goy account
NO 6 million.
NO gas chambers.
NO government conspiracy.
NO holocaust till I see evidence.
PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
>THE HOLOCAUST IN 10 SECONDS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUGKmCdAaN4
>THE HOLOCAUST IN 20 SECONDS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGwn5R1PC9Q
>MORE EYE WITNESS TESTIMONIES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftoAnQV-9-4
>THE LAST DAYS OF THE BIG LIE: SPIELBERG'S HOAX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8
>AUSCHWITZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHzWo79dCHs
>MAJDANEK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHqlf0D9nuQ
>TREBLINKA, BELZEC, SOBIBOR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dxsVSzL4HE
>>70139501
Because we are proud people unlike you.
You say smug, I say patriotic and full of love for ones country. You don't keep morale high by acting like a beta male.
There was no cartoonishly evil plan to kill all da joos. People not just jews were put in camps and shit happened because there was a war on. Not that the truth matters to most people anyway. The vast majority believe it happened and the jews will continue to hold it against white europeans till the end of time.
>>70139756
>You don't keep morale high by acting like a beta male
Did getting your shit pushed in by Hitler keep your morale high, or nah?
>>70139748
>NO 6 million.
No six million. The number is down to what, 1.9 million according to the Simon Weisenthal center?
The holocaust happened, but it was likely exaggerated by the Jewish ran media. And the aftermath which created Israel makes them look bad too.
At best they're opportunists, at worse they sacrificed millions of their own people to further a Jewish state.
>>70139756
It isn't a beta male, see you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about you're like the Polish Trump.
>duh make poland great, low energy germans.
You should have taken the negotiations seriously for a simple fucking rail and highway so they could connect to East Prussia. Instead you listened to England and acted like you wanted war, acting smug got your ass kicked.
>>70139482
>killing a 100 people dent justify an Invasion
It does to a people who happen to be highly nationalistic as well as the fact they were trying to negotiate for the Danzig corridor. Instead you massacre a 100 or so people and then apprantly cry when you get slapped for it.
There were far more, Vienna had been turned into the jewish capital of the world, surpassing even New York in amount of jews there.
Why else do you think Hitler got so butthurt over jews?
There needs to be something rather big to inspire that sort of anger.
They were comparable to the muslims nowadays, just massed more densely in certain areas.
>>70139748
Can someone get this guy his proofster?
>>70139756
It's really funny that this fellow burger talks about "smug cunts"
>mah guns!
>mah nationalism!
>>70139756
What the fuck have you to be proud of exactly? You were used by the brits to start WW2 and basically never contributed anything relevant to anything.
Just give me a logical and sound argument for why you have a reason to be proud exactly? Obviously the love for ones own is important but pride without substance is just delusion.
>>70138397
How many times? Bet you can't beat my granpa's high score.
>>70140220
Can you actually contribute or just make off topic points? I've never said "mah guns" or "mah nationalism". You are bring up unrelated topics.
Of the six camps that are considered "extermination camps", all six were liberated by the Soviets. The rest of the allies, who liberated the majority of camps, did not identify any as extermination.
>>70140220
How do you figure that's more smug than being a libtard gun grabber who thinks anyone nationalistic is a troglodyte with no education?
Must be bait. 3/10, i replied
>>70137577
I don't know if he did but he was planning to get rid of the Church.
>>70140068
>Did getting your shit pushed in by Hitler keep your morale high, or nah?
Yes. That's why we will preserve our national identity while the rest of Europe will surrender to Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Westerplatte
>>70140282
And what do you have to be proud of, cuckany? your country is all but destroyed. You talk about britain controlling poles, meanwhile the king of fucking england begs hitler to bomb the shit out of london to end the war.
Germany needs to die.
>>70137120
Germany and Austria had around 250k Jews at the time. Poland is where it all went down. 3 mil out of 3.2 mil were killed. That's the number you should be looking at. If you can find real data about how many Jews were in Poland. It seems crazy that Poland had that many Jews.
>>70140172
You know shit about history. I don't blame you, after all you are a teenage American.
Please fuck off. I seriously don't have time to respond to your trolling.
>>70140506
Ok, I'll give you that.
>>70138959
Are you the same poland fag that gets triggered every time Hitler is mentioned and goes off rattling about your precious people?
Its over, its in the past. Stop crying your eyes over it in every thread, little crying bitch.
>>70140181
No there really weren't, there is no way they killed six million jews. To use train cars at the same as they were moving enough concrete, steel, sand, and building supplies to finish the flak towers in Berlin in 8 months, I believe, as well as building the Atlantic wall, Der Reise, and improving the Siegfried line. Not only that their rail lines were moving vast amounts of soldiers, equipment, supplies, tanks, and war materials as the trucks Germany had sucked ass. How do they move all this and six, or as you say more than six, million Jews? What double decker train cars?
>>70138738
Define the holocaust
>>70140630
>uh...uh you know shit. Yeah that showed him.
When you start to lose ground or face an argument do you always get butt blasted? Sorry I don't take my social studies book word for word.
>>70140442
You:
>smug ass poles, acting all high and mighty
>baits and bantz hitler into invaded with a illegal army
>>70140543
Germany is one of the greatest nations on this planet in terms of value of contributions to human culture.
>>70140282
>You were used by the brits to start WW2 and basically never contributed anything relevant to anything.
I'm out. Kill yourselves, all of you.
>>70140700
your precious people
How can poowinloo manlets even compete?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvd66ehWwso
>>70140596
Looking at census data for Poland, all of them show different numbers of Jews. So this is seeming a lil iffy now senpai.
>>70140543
Why does Germany need to die?
>they made war
>they intervened in conflicts
Hmm sounds really familar...
>>70140863
Remind me again why the royal family changed their name to Windsor?
>>70138397
>chelmno
>death camp
choose one.
the only 4 'death camps' were treblinka, lublin, sobibor, and belzec. those were the 4 rheinhardt camps that saw jews and communist sympathizers processed, then taken further into isolated forests and shot. the first year of the operation saw 1,274,166 killed. the following year, we don't have the total figures, but logistic reports suggest another million were executed. this operation ended when it seemed hitler began to catch on to what was happening, so him let and his adjunctant karl wolff, saw the operation covered up and all reports on the numbers of people processed by chief statistician korher l'd were reworded to say people has been "channeled through the camps" rather than "received special treatment".
>>70140506
You polacks will be eternal failure of Europe because of that pride. Germany and Russia are and alwayls will be stronger then you.You just can't forget good times when Poland was a medieval superpower pushing around poor teutons and moscowites.
![1416405778892[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FlInJyO.jpg "1416405778892[1].jpg")
>>70137120
>Claims it's a hoax based on population figures
>Doesn't even know what the population figures are
Holocaust deniers, you literally cannot make this shit up
>>70138523
55,000
>>70140068
>>70140172
>>70140282
And as a usual the "nationalists" of /pol/ immediately throw nationalism under the bus the moment it conflicts with their neo-nazis narrative.
Protip faggots: Nationalism =/= only whatever is in the interests of Nazi Germany (and Putin in the context of Ukrainian nationalism).
>>70140543
Kike detected.
>>70140818
His people have been defining it for the last 50 years without question. This has to stop.
>>70140865
Little bitch is still crying, come back nerd. Fucking whiny bag, should be made an example of.
>>70141128
irrelevant cuck detected
>>70140865
Poland, when are you going to give Germany back the land we stole from them to give to you?
>>70140700
The retarded burger is insulting Poland right now in this thread, my Hindu friend.
He is lucky that he is on the other side of the Ocean.
>>70137742
>Hitler killed 12 million.
even if we assume that hitler could kill four a minute, that's still over five years of nonstop Jew, fag, cripple, and gypsy killing. that's not even taking into consideration reloading his gun, sharpening his sword, or doing whatever to keep the kills coming every fifteen seconds, and definitely not considering the required time for personal maintenance and the management of a world war.
so the notion that hitler killed 12 million is clearly a load of shit. even half that number would have been impossible
>>70141095
What are you talking about? I support nationalism however not blind nationalism to the point of being a dumb fuck.
>>70141264
Never because Kohl fucked everything up in 1990
>>70140543
>And what do you have to be proud of?
At least germany contributed to world culture in a relevant way and is in the top5 for that.
>Music
>Literature
>Philosophy
>Technology
>Natural Sciences
Germany fought to get rid of the enslavement of the banking system, tried to free it´s people and wanted that for the others too.
>You talk about britain controlling poles, meanwhile the king of fucking england begs hitler to bomb the shit out of london to end the war.
I fail to see the logic or connection to the topic in this sentence. It might make sense if you actually thought that the king of england was relevant in anyway at that time. And you better shut the fuck up ameriburger when your country is 60% white and is more fucked than the others. You only contributed to science/technology, the rest is of jewish origin.
>>70141198
Lol. Take it easy, Chaim. It's Jews like you who push that cuck fetish of yours into your porn flicks. You're such a dirty Jew.
>>70137409
Hitler also killed
WOW Hitler was very strong to kill all thoses humans without no resistance???
>>70137577
>Hitler killed Catholics
Victims Killed Source
Jews 5.93 million [1]
Soviet POWs 2–3 million [2]
Ethnic Poles 1.8–2 million [3][4][5]
Serbs 300,000–500,000 [6][7]
Disabled 270,000 [8]
Romani 90,000–220,000 [9][10]
Freemasons 80,000–200,000 [11][12]
Slovenes 20,000–25,000 [13]
Homosexuals 5,000–15,000 [14]
Jehovah's
Witnesses 2,500–5,000
>>70141162
Superpower 2030.
>>70141022
>>70141162
>>70141264
Do you homosexuals seriously think that I'm mad and will lose more of my precious time "discussing" anything with you? Seeing how you get offensive just for the sake of triggering is as amusing as always. People on 4chan used to be more creative than you.
>>70140865
He's right. The UK played you like a fiddle, it's well known and not some kind of secret. You do have a lot of history though and got fucked over by a lot of people. No reason to not be proud of being Polish.
>>70140865
You could try to form an argument instead of posting people nobody heard of in the western world and nobody cares about. You just know poland is shit, you aren´t even top10, probably not even top20.
>>70141602
kek, that shirt
>>70141045
> some random number
55000 or 55 million, they killed Germans while Germany was seeking a diplomatic solution. They were conspiring with Britain and France, who already broke the terms of several treaties. The allies wanted another war, and they got it, then started losing it. After the war they used the pretext of German atrocities to make Germans eternally submissive. Now they're moving on to ethnically cleansing Europe of Europeans on the same false pretext.
The legacy of those lies will be the extinction of European ethnicities.
>>70141496
8/10 triggered
i have served my purpose
>>70141162
how can poo in loos even compete?
>>70141627
You've stated like three times you were leaving make up your mind.
>>70140989
Because uneducated plebs like you forget where the GERMANIC tribe the Anglo SAXONS came from and think that the SAXE Gotha Coburgs and the Hanoverians of SAXONY are foreign to us. Unfortunately, this mind-numbing, facepalm-inducing level of ignorance of your own history is what happens when you let the jews control your education system.
>>70141162
when you learn to shit properly, you can join our conversations
>>70141323
You clearly don't support nationalism then because for a nationalist the nation always come first, especially to the point of being a "dumb fuck".
Nationalism is not about "reasonable" compromise.
>>70141865
Soo.... why did they change their name to Windsor?
Dont ignore my question this time
>>70138523
none
>>70137120
I'm no Holocaust denier but I don't believe 6 million were killed. I think it's a gross exaggeration to be honest.
>Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to
You got what you asked stupid kurwa faggot
>>70141095
>he thinks nationalism is the same as baseless pride
Go back to R-eddit
>>70137120
If you count former Austrian Empire as western Europe then it would be close to the number
I hope you stormfags get what you deserve.
>>70141633
0/10
>>70141750
I can't. I'm on the phone and coming back from a market. When I come back I need to finish my report.
>>70141812
I'm on my phone, outside, ergo no sources.
Reading retarded bullshit in this thread made me hungry and I've already ate all of my onions.
>>70141927
You obviously know nothing about nationalism.
My view was acting big and arrogant when you don't have to be isn't nationalism it's being a dipshit. If you can't tell the difference between nationalism and stupidity than I feel sorry for you. The fact of the matter is Poland was very nationalistic as were the Germans however they should have given effort into the negotiations and not been retards who actually thought they could beat the Wehrmacht in a war.
>>70142057
Thank you!
>>70142014
*snore*
>>70141095
>definining natiinalism as being a dumb meanie with a big ego for no reason
Wew lad, you've spent too long without anything to be proud of. You need a positive amount of pride to effectively talk shit.
>>70141627
>im not talking to you meanies anymore because you're all big poopoos
>>70141760
>not some random number.
as for the rest of your post, yes, that's very true.
>>70142141
wew la
>>70142141
>M-muh holocaust!
t. Shekelgruber
>>70137120
>western europ
>Polish Jews
Well there's your problem right there
>>70142159
Onions are good family, I know I disagree with you but I'd still buy you a beer.
>>70141999
Because of the war.
>>70141627
You are a fucking insult to poland with your cuck skills, I have a poland friend added on steam and that guy certainly doesn't start crying over ww2.
You are the lowest poland scum I've ever seen on /pol/, I should fucking cut you up and feed you to the dogs and the world would not have lost anything meaningful.
Stupid triggered SJW, cry more about atrocities that happened a century ago. You are no better than niggers who demanded to be treated like kings cause some of their ancestors were made to pick cotton.
Fuck off you SJW entitled prick.
>>70142057
>he thinks pride in your nation and people is baseless
How many million more will your leaders welcome out of penance Germany?
>>70142246
No number is random. But the numbers game becomes a red herring. We're talking to people who exploit death tolls for rhetorical purposes, but don't fundamentally care. They throw numbers at you then retreat when numbers are thrown back behind a screen of zero fucks. Its just a tactic, the principle is ultimately inescapable though.
>>70142350
>>70142350
>loo
>>70140503
To be perfectly fair, that sounds like propaganda.
Nationalizing church is a thing I would totally see him interested in doing though.
>>70142055
So sorry about giving all those german lands to kurwas in 1945. Fuckers are so ungrateful while DDR was cool.
>muh nationalism is le ebul Hitler
> leds boat 4 t. Burdie Zanders, gomunist
Lefties could give two shits about death tolls, their morality is pure sophistry and pretense.
>>70142350
Shut up Indian. Do all Poles look the same to you? Today I saw an Indian on my University that was so dark skinned that I though from a distance that he was black. I never thought you people can get so dark skinned.
Also, tldr. Fuck your lengthy post filled with hatespeech.
>>70137120
>Asks something you should know about if you explain the falsehood of something
>Explains the falsehood of something anyway
Hoax or not. If you don't know something dont play the smart one try to prove or falsesify something
>>70142350
You're showing your violent desert heritage.
I agree the Pole is a cuck but don't be a fucking savage, you crazy savage.
>>70142173
By that logic Nazi Germany should have never started the war in the first place and Poland was wiser than Germany for having faith in the strength of it's allies.
Try and be consistent in your logic.
>>70142412
I agree, the cause behind the numbers is far more important. someone had asked for the numbers tho, so I just threw it out there.
>>70141927
>Nationalism is not about "reasonable" compromise.
You are one stupid fuck. Nationalism is doing everything for the preservation and improvement your country and it´s people. And that also includes compromises.
If you´d have a country like belgium (if they were highly nationalist) being threatened by the US they sure as hell would want to compromise in order to not get completely annihilated.
And just like hitler said, the most precious thing there is are your own people/race.
Sadly Hitler went a bit full retard with his master race stuff and should have surrendered after being pushed back by the soviets in 1943 or so.
>>70137120
Mfw I ask for evidence of the holocaust.
>muh 6 gorillian
>>70142727
ah, well done then anon
>>70142237
>You need a positive amount of pride to effectively talk shit.
and yet you no doubt support Hitler's campaign to increase the power of Germany at the expense of the rest of Europe
>>70142825
Mfw I ask for evidence of the holocaust.
>>70142350
Poles like him are as bad as jews when it comes to WW2. Or maybe he actually is just a polish jew.
>>70138879
>>70142716
My logic is fine, Poland was arrogant quite a bit if it actually thought Britain was going to do anything and especially France. That isn't being nationalistic it's being stupid.
>Hur Poland pride yeah let me fucking mess with this country who can kick my ass. I'm sure England will use its navy to take Berlin and France to idk do something. Hur all because this is what nationalism is.
No it isn't, but please go on and inform me how that was a good thing they did and what nationalism is even though at least two other people disagreed with your view as well.
>>70142350
T R I G G E R E D
What I don't get is why so many JEWS deny the Holohoax today? I mean, why would a fucking JEW want to deny the shoah?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmYFpiCo1-g
>>70143044
>>70143044
It would be funnier if it weren't true.
>>70142613
>hatespeech.
Fuck your safespace
>>70142714
Apologies, I have hatred for SJWs who are alarmist over century old news.
>>70143291
That Pole is nothing but bait, Pajeet. I mean, you deserve it, but I feel bad for you my son.
>>70143171
Because some of them are not sociopaths and value truth and justice.
>>70142817
>Nationalism is doing everything for the preservation and improvement your country and it´s people.
and considering how Germany wound up treating the Poles not submitting to them was the most valid means of preserving their people.
Why should Poland be considered retarded for resisting the stronger Germany but Germany isn't considered retarded for resisting the the hegemony of the much stronger Soviet Union?
>>70142358
>>he thinks pride in your nation and people is baseless
Stop making up shit and try to twist the words in my mouth. Pride in your nation is not baseless if your country has something to show for (technology, culture etc that contributed to the world). If your country is a shithole and just exists to govern a group of people that nobody else wants, then there is not reason to be proud of it. Yet you can still be nationalistic for that country.
Pride is a feeling that can supported by facts and arguments or it can be baseless and is just for projection of your shortcomings.
Nationalism is a princible to act by absent of emotions. You can of course add emotions (pride) to that but nationalistic decisions, "what is best for my country/people", are made by pure logic (or not if it goes down the shitter).
>>70137577
b-but Hitler was an atheist. why would he let Christians live?
>>70143127
>Poland was arrogant quite a bit if it actually thought Britain was going to do anything and especially France
Yes, we have learned to never trust Brits, Germans and French back then and we remember that to this day.
>>70137120
>It's illegal to doubt the Holocaust in Germany
Welp, okay.
>>70143481
One based Jew like David Cole is worth 6 million lying Kikes.
>>70143581
I will admit you guys got the shit end of the stick, like the really deep shit end.
>>70143127
and Germany wasn't arrogant for thinking it could bring all of Europe to heel?
Expecting allies to respect their treaty obligations isn't arrogance, it's the foundation of international politics?
>>70143448
Don't ruin my fun FyCMdGHn.
There are at least 3 buttblasted Poland haters in this thread and I still need to take a dump before I get to work. I really am procrastinating in here.
>>70143731
Ok, ok Polan, sorry.
>>70137742
False.
>>70137409
No they just claim it to be all jews.
>>70141280
Drone operators have mental breakdowns when they don't even see who they kill. Imagine being involved in herding people to gas baths then dragging their corpses to incinerators for several years.
>>70143485
>a poland gets invaded by Nazi Germany and Soviet Union.
They put themselves in this position, pretty much using your stupid variation of nationalism or what you think is nationalism.
>Soviet Union and Nazi Germany
Completely different matter, the German military, and the allied countries, we're fully able to fight the Soviet union. They committed a preemptive strike in a gamble to kick them out. It isn't anything like the Poland situation, try again.
>>70143808
Anyone in here knows how to interpret network data from Cytoscape? xD
>>70141280
Sounds like he might have needed some help.
Maybe some sort of army.
>>70142141
Good luck with that faggot.
It's very sad that so many that claim to share his ideals, would deny Hitler his greatest achievement.
And for what?
To cause some Jews hurt feelings?
That is not how you deal with them.
You make them work. You work them hard.
And when their efficiency drops, you dispose and replace.
>>70143516
Germany WAS a shithole in the early 20th century.
Why do Germans deserve pride but not pre-Communist Poles? You people don't actually support nationalism, this is all just a smokescreen to justify the rehabilitation of the image of Nazi Germany.
ITT
>>70143989
>They put themselves in this position
>>70143638
>99% of all videos on Youtube about holohoax denial are not available in Germany
PURE COINCIDENCE
>>70143485
>and considering how Germany wound up treating the Poles not submitting to them was the most valid means of preserving their people.
Well it was either germans getting killed or killing the poles. They chose the latter.
>Why should Poland be considered retarded
Nobody said that. Poland might have gone "full retard" with the propaganda and stuff, but britain didn´t tell them how strong germany was on purpose. Poland didn´t know that they will be overrun within 3 weeks. Britain/US also didn´t tell them that germany and SU had a treaty to split poland in half.
The only error Poland did back then was not checking the strength of the country they are agitating and blindly trusting british diplomacy and intelligence(information).
>resisting the the hegemony of the much stronger Soviet Union?
Pick up a history Book. Without a western front and without lend lease for the SU, Germany would have crushed them. 1 on 1 there was no one that stood a chance against nazi germany (US vs germany might get strange though because one would have to go over the sea to the other complicating the matters. But since germany would have developed intercontinental rockets way earlier than the US .....)
>>70144277
Meant Poland put themselves in the position political by isolating thenselves. Sure you allied up with England and France but that really did nothing. The two big dogs in Europe was Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.
>>70144226
I have seen a lot of those comic stips, but that one is plain idiotic.
>>70138959
>We asked them nicely to leave and they refused to GTFO.
Sounds awfully familiar
Get to fuck you stupid cunt
>>70143638
I have no doubt in the Holocaust whatsover. Six million innocent Jews died, because, uh, Hitler was the devil and pure evil. It is our guilt and ours alone. How can we ever repent? We should commit nation suicide! I think, the New Germany exists purely to secure the existence of the State of Israel and the Jewish people. They are truly our greatest ally!
t. Martin Schulz
>>70143989
>herp a durr it was a gamble so it was OK!
Germany never stood a chance of defeating the Soviet Union let alone defeating the axis of international capital that Germany was attempting to over throw.
If you can't see that's the exact same situation that Poland found itself in but on a larger scale you're a man blinded by nostalgia for a dead meme regime.
>>70141280
It's almost like he had a lot of advisors and people helping him out.
>>70144504
>but that really did nothing
And whose fault is it?
Joining with either Russia or Germans would fuck us even more. We were destined to get wrecked as we are the Christ of Europe.
>>70144094
Yeah was really a shithole.
No one, at least I'm not saying, Poland can't have pride. However their handling of the situation was very poor ad your view of nationalism is skewed which why two other people are disagreeing with you.
>>70144094
Yeah was really a shithole.
No one, at least I'm not saying, Poland can't have pride. However their handling of the situation was very poor ad your view of nationalism is skewed which why two other people are disagreeing with you on what it is.
I don't understand why you tags would even deny the holocaust in the first place. If we hate the Jews wouldn't you want it to be true that a great portion of them were exterminated? That this lends credibility to Hitler. Or do you dent it because it's been utilized by the Jews in the media to oust their agenda? Help me out here, because I have no idea why you guys would deny it happened if it's basically what you would want to happen.
>>70144517
C O G N I T I V E
D I S S O N A N C E
lel and amerifats are the uneducated ones
>>70144094
>Germany WAS a shithole in the early 20th century.
Are we talking pre WW1 here? Maybe you didn´t hear the memo but germany was basically the #1 at that time and rising fast. Why do you think they needed the other 4 important countries on the planet to defeat it? With peace germany would have mopped the floor regarding economy/science compared to france, the british empire and russia. Especially all the bagdad bahn/oil stuff going on with the ottoman empire.
>Why do Germans deserve pride
Contributions to science, literature, culture etc to the world
>not pre-Communist Poles
Nobody said that they don´t deserve pride but nobody brought up a good argument for why they should. Remember poland was "born into existance" again by the treaty of versailles (actually by germany in 1916) and was part of the russian empire for many decades. The only relevant thing they managed for themselfs is surviving so far (which already is a big deal considering being in the middle of 2 world wars).
>>70143731
No one hates Poland. Poland is the model of what all European nations should be. But you should all stop lying about the holocaust already.
>>70144941
>I don't understand why you tags would even deny the holocaust in the first place.
Because they are trying to be edgy.
You don't come to /pol/ to discuss anything, just to shitpost.
We /b/ now.
>>70144941
this confuses the denier
>>70137409
>Is the 6,000,000 all jews though?
>Hitler also killed Catholics, Gypsies, Gays, and the disabled in those camps, it could be the Jews trying to take all of the casualties as their own
True enough but the Jews claim six million of their own were killed plus an additional six million other non Jews
>>70137638
This.
Most died from illnesses like typhus that spread through the camps.
>>70144588
Never stood a chance?
Do you actually read any WW2 books? Germany and it's European allies had a perfectly good chance, however their odds lowered with the late launch date of Operation Barbarossa. Read How Hitler Could Have Won the war and Rise and Fall of the German War machine. Literally explains how the axis could have won against the Soviet Union. You sound like a ignorant asshole if you seriously think there was no way the Soviet Union could have been beaten.
>>70142141
I wish the holocaust was real.
>>70141266
>he is lucky to be on the other side of the ocean
>Poland challenging the mighty Burgerland
>can't even into space
wew lad
>>70137120
The holocaust occurred, in that people who were unwilling to voluntarily conform to the Nazi's social engineering policies were sent to concentration camps to forcibly work manually. Many of the people that subsequently died, did so resulting from either malnutrition and disease and not gassing. We've long known the Germans used forced labor, so that's not for dispute.
Where we are at this point on the public discussion isn't so much on if it did in fact happen. Rather we're asking why are we being denied the opportunity to publicly discuss the matter. This refusal to do so lends credence to the strong possibility that there is truth to the claim of hoax, but why would we be deceived into believing so many lives were lost, who participated in this grotesque deception, and what would they have to gain from it? I suspect that since much of the western media industry is dominated by people of Jewish descent, the appeal to make the Germans out to be evil to ensure western allied populations pitied the Jewish people was too great to pass up.
Now from what information I've read, it's quite unsettling and I'd never have given it a second thought had I not recently laid my grandmother to rest and queried a funeral director regarding cremation. It takes several hours to cremate a single human body and oftentimes the heart remains as it's the most muscle dense organ. Yet when presented with the holocaust, the Germans apparently had perfected cremation technology that could incinerate several human bodies in a fraction of the time. That helped lend credence to the strong possibility the holocaust may indeed be a hoax as such technology even now doesn't exist. No one likes to be lied to and if this is publicly confirmed as a lie it could have profoundly disastrous implications for the Jewish people, Israel, and the relationships of those who would consider themselves friends of Israel. For the Jewish people, they cannot allow any reputable discussion on the matter.
>>70144941
>why question the legitimacy of something that clearly did not happen and destroyed both our nation and people
>>70144504
>The two big dogs in Europe was Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.
USSR was kinda meh tier actually, nobody thought we will be any good in big war. Kinda tricked everyone there.
>>70144760
Eh idk man maybe the Danzig deal would have helped or a alliance with Nazi Germany wouldn't have been so bad, the soviets would have thought twice before attacking.
>Christ of Europe
I can see sort of that, Poland has done it's fair share to protect Europe.
>>70144760
>Joining with either Russia or Germans would fuck us even more.
Why exactly? Nazi germany was the first government to accept the "final borders" of poland and didn´t want changes made while the weimar republic never acknowledged your borders. You were offered an alliance against the soviet union in case they started shit. Germans even brought in new agricultural technology for you during the occupation (which also helped the germans of course).
Why exactly would you have been fucked if you negotiated with germany back then?
>>70145013
>The media was always controlled by Jews
>The Jews planned things perfectly and didn't just muh holocaust after the fact because they saw the opportunity.
>>70137409
The Holocaust was VERY real. It was actually 11 million all together that were killed. 6 million were Jews and the rest were gypsies, the elderly, handicapped/retarded, niggers, and some other races as well. Basically the rest were people that were not Jewish.
>>70145110
I still discuss.
>>70144398
>Germany would have crushed the Soviet Union
Wishful thinking.
Germany didn't have a prayer of defeating the Soviets. Their advance had already ground to a halt before lend lease went into effect and once initiative was lost it was over for them as they lacked the resources to change the tempo of battle once it was set and the much larger Soviet war machine rumbled into life.
>>70144941
Killing people, even jews (implying jews are human), is wrong anon. We are a board of peace.
And even if killing jews were a good thing. The holocaust didn't happen, and truth is the most important thing about history.
If history isn't true, then the lessons you learn from it aren't true either.
>>70137120
4 crematoriums would take hundreds of years to burn even a million people, nevermind 6 million.
>>70145433
Yeah true, you guys had some stumblings, like the Winter War, also Stalin killing many military officers. However you guys still had a formidable force.
>>70137120
There are so many facts against the holocaust its exhausting.
>>70145652
>completely ignoring the fact that I said without western front and ignoring the 1 on 1 scenario
>ignoring the fact that while the advance to moscow was halted by the soviets, the push back was mostly thanks to lend lease
>inb4 bringing up lend lease stuff was old unimportant stuff and ignoring the support vehicles (which made up to 60% of soviet support), the food, the steel (for new tanks), the ammo etc...
Good job burger. But ignoring things states just makes you look like.... well a typical ameriburger
>>70145652
>Muh opinions
Seriously guise I was there, I know for certain 100% that there was no possibility for victory.
Please stop your burger is showing.
>>70145614
And I don't know how I forgot to mention this, but along with the 5 million others were faggots too.
>>70145931
*things stated
>>70144941
>as a jew, x reminds me of Holocaust
>holy shit whatever x is is bad we need to stop this.
In a nutshell, it's the 'stop this immediately' trump card of jews.
>>70145931
Sorry that my fellow burger is suffers from a lack of critical thinking skills. He at one point just stopped talking about his view of nationalism and now is going on about how the USSR could never be beat. Call of Duty must have really helped shape his views here.
>>70145614
Got any evidence for your spooky conspiracy theory mate?
All the great Germans died in WW2. All that is left is a shell of a once great peoples, reduced to sucking brown dick
>>70137120
Not 6 million.
Not some evil master plan.
Best estimated guess hover around 2-300k.
Most died to starvation and disease.
>>70145128
No it doesn't. Murder is wrong.
A bit off topic, but I can't help but laugh every time someone says that it's physically impossible to round up all 12-20 million illegal immigrants and deport them.
It's as if they're denying the holocaust.
>>70137120
1488 million Jews killed Hitler
>>70146275
*is suffering
>>70146275
>>70146539
I never thought of it that way. kek.
>>70146066
That's what I figured. I suppose it would be interesting to contest the supposed entitlements owed to the Jews by virtue of the holocaust as opposed to denying it's existence. Basically saying, so what we don't owe you anything because of a visceral emotional reaction to a negative event. That eliminates their tactic right then and there.
>>70146539
>implying anything less than six quadhydroquintpentazillion jews perished in the Holocaust
a pox on you and your foreskin
>>70141606
>Jehovah's Witnesses 2,500–5,000
kek
>>70145227
>alt-history
OH PLEASE.
The armchair 20/20 hindsight musings of some "historian" out to make a buck are irrelevant in the face of ACTUAL HISTORY.
You might as well start conjecturing that maybe Poland could have dominated Germany if Pilsudski had made different decisions if you're going to start stacking the historical deck to create a desired fantasy outcome.
The people alive at the time chose the best available options to them with the limited information they had at the time. There's no reason to believe that you would have made different decisions if you were in their position.
>>70146539
Will be using this from now on.
>>70147139
>hur chose the best option at the time
No they didn't, Hitler interfered in a number of operations in the eastern front. A number of German and axis geerals could have and would have done certain operations differently. Furthermore that wasn't what you were saying before; you said there was no way possible for them to win and now switch to "there is no way different decisions would have been made". Well there clearly is different decisions that certain officers and Generals would have made. You can't say there wasn't a way of winning when clearly there were avenues they could have taken.
>>70145187
Knowing that the Jews blow everything out of proportion. I believe around 500K Jews died in the camps for various other reasons (being shot/gassed), and maybe 1-2 million from disease.
Compare this to regimes like in Italy, China, Russia, and you'll see that it's only brought up on a daily basis because it affects the Jews.
Whenever you see something talked about in the media, it's because it affects the Jews.
Seeing all this hate on the news, for Donald Trump makes me want to vote for him.
>>70146275
Don't apologize to foreigners you spineless cuck.
Stop kissing Germany's ass and actually look at the historical facts.
Hitler gambled his reich on a swift defeat of the Soviet Army in one fell swoop. This was denied to him when his forces were unable to trap the Red Army and destroy it entirely.
Once the Red Army gained it's footing it was over for Germany because it turned from a war of initiative to one of attrition, and while this may come as a shock to you in a war of attrition the bigger country always wins.
>>70146508
Your meme doesn't make sense JIDF. The newspapers (by the way do you know the religion of the owners of the NYT?) show that the 6 million number is just made up. It's a meme. Can you explain how the jews knew that 6 million had died at Nuremburg? It's not like they went round and counted all the jews who had emigrated all over the world and changed their names. They just made it up. Like they always made it up.
>>70146296
Well, I did visit the camps. I've been to Poland, Prague and Amsterdam. My grandparents were Holocaust survivors. My grandfather was liberated from Auschwitz, which was one of the worst camps. He told me all about it before he passed away, so did my grandma, although she was lucky and posed as a German the whole time. She had blonde hair and green eyes. She also changed location every day and was always on the move. Treblinka was also a very eery camp. It's hidden completely in the woods. The bus tour was driving into the woods to get there. I saw the crematoriums and the gas chambers, which my grandpa told me he was smart enough to avoid because one day before he was going to take a shower, he noticed the pipes didn't connect to any water source, so he ran off. They have a memorial in Poland filled with the remains of the millions of victims that died, bones, ashes, you name it. There's another memorial with the clothing and shoes of the victims. It's crazy, and very very sad. It's very real. You really should go visit if you want to learn more.
>>70145049
>basically #1
Compared to who exactly?
Certainly not America.
>>70147521
desu you're pretty right but hitler probably would've gotten btfo'd eventually by russia and the us
>>70137577
Catholic priests, nuns, practitioners were known to help hide Nazi targets and on some occasions help them to escape to Allied lands.
I'm sure many of them got caught and were punished for defying the Reich.
>>70147678
Got any evidence of gassings mate? Remember, it's very silly to believe in something (except God) if you have no evidence.
>>70147760
senpai your story was going okay but then this shit
>my grandpa told me he was smart enough to avoid because one day before he was going to take a shower, he noticed the pipes didn't connect to any water source, so he ran off.
kek such bullshit
>>70147793
You weren't number one at the time but neither were we.
>>70147692
>mad because he is caught saying stupid shit
Sorry man but research things better and realize things can be done differently.
>once they gained a footing
There you go again change gong what you are saying. Yes gaining a footing made their chances of pushing the red army back just about nothing however before the red army turned and pushed there was the possibility of a knockout.
It happened 19-20th century germany was this giant empire spanning across Europe saber rattling with minor nations. They definitely had the manpower to exterminate the fuck out of their neighbors and minorities. But thank god in the end stalin and his liberators liberated the fuck out of germany and reduced it to a cuckold hotspot then this giant kraut empire run by inbred european royality. Good guys won.
>>70145931
>completely ignoring the fact that I said without western front and ignoring the 1 on 1 scenario
So Germany could have won in a fantasy scenario with no actual relation to reality. Good to know.
>>70147760
I lived in Poland when I was young, and my family still lives there. My village is ~20 miles from Auschwitz.
According to my grandparents who lived through it, most Jews in the area died from disease and were thrown in pits.
Of course, many of them fled much before the War started. Some of them actually still live there, and didn't have to flee they just kept low-key.
>>70147860
Oh for sure, no way they could fight the Soviet Union and the US.
>>70147760
Also,
>the Jew controlled exhibits have accurate information
>>70148170
>fantasy scenario
How is the western front closing a fantasy? France surrendered and it wasn't impossible for England to surrender or enter peace talks.
>>70147760
I used to live in Germany. I have visited concentration camps, such as Buchenwald. We were led to believe that it was a death camp. But it wasn't. I have had enough of being lied to about the holocaust.
Have you watched David Cole's documentary about Auschwitz? He's a jew, so you can't call it nazi propaganda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHzWo79dCHs
Also, can you explain to me why this chimney isn't attached to anything?
And please read this pic before talking to us about the holocaust. >>70140034
>>70137120
Hitler utilized our people for slave labor to support a socialist economy which can't function without slaves, e also utilized the labor of every other group our media claims he only rounded up for the sole purpose of execution. He only executed us when we no longer could produce and weren't worth the resources for our production value. We respect this mans work ethic and only wish we could have gotten in on this scheme with him. Since we couldn't of course we had no other action but to eradicate him and his kind. Enjoy your freedom everyone it's so nice have unlimited options in life isn't it? It's not like you are all given a set number of variable inputs stimuli and unless you are defective and have a unique perspective your potential output responses can be calculated, that sounds like a science fiction book...
>>70147521
So what your saying is that Hitler could totally had won the war if he wasn't Hitler. Well that's a REALLY fucking useful conclusion.
You can't just pick and choose variables from history and tweak them to get a desired result. Things happened for a reason, and the moment you start tweaking those reasons your not talking about history anymore you're talking about historical fan fiction.
Which is ironic considering I'm the one that was accused of getting his history from COD.
>>70148439
Did it happen?
If it didn't then it's fantasy and you may as well start conjecturing that the Queen of England could have run away and eloped with Adolf Hitler.
>>70147760
>smart enough to avoid because one day before he was going to take a shower, he noticed the pipes didn't connect to any water source, so he ran off.
>>70138959
Anyways, your country will get flooded with refugees in the next months.
>>70148050
No, not bullshit. It wasn't just from looking at the pipes. He heard rumors going around too. Like for example. What if one day inside the camp you were with your best friend Hershel, and Hershel tells you, "I'll be right back. I'm in line for a shower." And you wait and wait and wait for Hershel to come back, and just like that, *poof!* he's gone. Rumors start to circulate. Only a few people might catch on and think, "you know, I think your best friend Hershel got gassed to death, or someone might have killed him because Hershel hasn't been to dinner 3 nights in a row now. Where the fuck is Hershel?" That's what I mean too.
>>70141264
Germany has a rightful claim to the territory lost to the Oder-Neisse line. Traditional German lands.
>>70148665
>wasn't Hitler
No that's you trying to put words in my mouth. He could have chosen different fucking strategies I don't understand what is so fucking hard about that for you to understand my God dude.
>can't choose different variables
Yes haha yes you fucking can. Historians do it all the time and it isn't fan fiction. Oh so documentaries are fan fiction when they mention different avenues that a general or politician could have taken in events.
>education from cod
Yes I'm pretty sure that builds a good base of your knowledge of world War two and history in general.
>>70148852
>possible event
>compares it to a fucking ridiculous event
You're not very good at this are you? Try again with actually being realistic with a scenario.
>>70148061
All I'm trying to say is that Poland wasn't some backwater shithole, and if Poland should be considered one then so should Germany.
>>70149063
>Terrible Nazi Murder/Death camp dedicated to killing jews
>"No shower for me thanks!"
>"Damn Hans, our plot to kill all jews has been foiled by their simple avoidance of showers!"
>>70149256
>and if Poland should be considered one then so should Germany
Not sure if I understand this logic but okay. No, Poland wasn't a backwater shithole but I can't be bothered to read the reply chain.
>>70149127
>He could have chosen different fucking strategies
Why on earth would he do that?
He wasn't flipping a goddamn coin, he was choosing the best options available to him according to his ideology, his perceptions of the facts, and his personality traits.
In order for him to act differently he has to not be him or have access to information that wasn't available to the historical Hitler.
>historians do it!
Pop-historians maybe...
>>70149531
He is back peddling. Literally we have already discussed this, already said poland wasn't a backwater shit hole and he just keeps changing subjects as the thread drags on.
>>70148601
>Enjoy your freedom everyone it's so nice have unlimited options in life isn't it?
Our nations and cultures are dying. And there's nothing we can do about it.
>He only executed us when we no longer could produce and weren't worth the resources for our production value
No he didn't JIDF. You can't execute someone with typhus.
>>70149732
Dude fucking here you go. This book literally shows the avenues they could have taken, and yes they were fucking possible, and produced a desired outcome.
Thsee possible approaches are not based on new evidence to the general staff or Hitler so save your breath before you cry about "how could they know".
>pop historians
Not sure what that is but no actual historians.
>>70148183
>According to my grandparents who lived through it, most Jews in the area died from disease and were thrown in pits.
Of course they did. The living conditions that the Nazis assigned in the barracks were absolutely terrible. I went inside the camps. I went inside the little barracks. They'd shove like 300 people in there to live together. There is NO room. Of course you'd get sick that way. It's clostrophobic as fuck too. The Nazis didn't give a shit, and neither did Hitler. They threw them in pits because they didn't care. They were burn the corpses anyway.
>>70148601
Highly disagree, even before slab labor their economy was pretty good. They broke off from the banking system and chafed to, I believe, a barter like system which further hurt the banks when it came to trade with other coutries. I use to have an infograph about it but lost it.
>>70147760
>I saw the crematoriums and the gas chambers, which my grandpa told me he was smart enough to avoid because one day before he was going to take a shower, he noticed the pipes didn't connect to any water source, so he ran off.
>>70149531
I must apologize because I'm posting from my phone and arguing with multiple anins in a long thread is very awkward..
My stance is that Poles deserved nationalistic pride every bit as much as the Germans did and it's inconsistent for a nationalist to condemn Poles for holding a grudge against the Nazis or to expect Poland to submit and do what's best for Germany rather than what they believe is best for Poland.
>>70149490
You are actually retarded.
>>70150042
Oh forgot pic.
Good read highly recommend.
>>70149083
We had the right until 1990, with reunification they accepted the Oder-Neisse line as an eternal border
>>70150208
Okay, now explain to me how this proves le gas meme?
>>70150042
If these options are so obviously superior why didn't Hitler choose them? Are you saying he wanted to lose and deliberately chose the inferior strategic options?
>>70137120
Yes
Anyway, don't get into these arguments unless you've done proper research.
Here are some basic shit, easy to understand arguments
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndGraf.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uJEE3thwmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R6mTTrOlzE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47rbRNSGQUs
>one of the most document events in the history of mankind
>didn't happen because some basement dwellers share sourceless JPGs with each other
