Does pol agree?
>>70123434
As long as he can convince the millitary to start making revenue from televising combat operations...
Sure why not.
Just fuck my debt up.
>>70123434
yes but only because I have less respect for american football players than american soldiers
>>70123434
Considering the fact that the US military functions on barely skilled labor, and depends on the fact that it pays soldiers less than minimum wage...
That's fucking retarded.
The only way you're going to get this, is if football players suddenly make no money whatsoever.
Also, I doubt you'd really support this idea, if you saw what would happen to your tax rates, to pay for it.
He probably does, on average. Most people playing American football aren't paid anything. Also, if he's any good at his job and gets promoted to the highest level, he'll make more in his lifetime than the average top NFL players because of how short a career the latter has.
>>70123675
This.
Also, just about anyone can enlist in the army.
A lot less people have the talent to play professional football.
>>70123434
> Defending our country
> Defending
You reards are literally all over the world exporting democracy and freedom and still post paroles over your heroic "defending" soldiers...
They don't defend their country.
They kill arabs for Israel.
>>70123434
>paying your soldiers to fight for another country
>>70123622
This
>>70123622
People would watch the ever living shit out of that.
>>70123964
But not everyone can do well in the army.
>>70123434
Only if military operations are televised live
No, since I think the market should determine what someone's labor is worth. That is an unamerican fucking shirt.
>>70124186
yeah but they can't fucking fire you
everyone gets to do SOMETHING in the military
>>70124218
With color commentary
fuxk no
>implying I show more than a casual interest in sports
>implying I don't believe caring about something so unrelated to you is a form of nihilism, or basically not being a real person
I know more war statistics than sports statistics people that shit matters and the second we believe it doesn't we are at risk of war leaking into our peaceful countries.
Sports fanatics are degenerate cancer being distracted from real issues.
Over 200,000 people died in the Syrian war and if China doesn't buy more iron Australia's workforce participation rate will continue to drop. I can't tell you who won the last afl game because I couldn't give a flying fuck.
>>70123974
Sparta needs no walls.
>le pay soldiers mare than le footballers!!11!!1!!!!!
I hate this retarded populist argument, players get paid that much because people allow them to. Stop watching and they won't. Equally being a volunteer soldier isn't anything special, it's a career that has a high risk factor.
>>70123434
I'd be more in agreement with that shirt if you replaced money with respect.
>>70123434
>value of a worker should be determined by anyone other than his or her employer
sounds like a commie traitor to me m8
>>70123434
LOL nice try Arnold .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ceegnWSENQ&nohtml5=False
>>70123974
>>70124015
Seriously, when was the last time we actually needed defending?
9/11? Well, that sure worked out.
>>70124186
A. the ratio of people in the military to NFL players is probably 20:1
B. I guarantee you more people do well in the army than do well in the NFL. In the entire world, there are 10-12 people who are considered "good" quarterbacks. That's it.
>>70123434
Free market.
>>70124231
Yes they can fire you.
Have you ever heard of discharge?
>>70123434
no
the one who provides more value to society deserves more money, not the one who in your subjective opinion should make more
if you disagree then why don't you provide the money?
>>70123434
no, military pay is here to fight corruption and compensate the time "lost" serving your country
footballers are paid depending on their performance relative to others and also relative to how much they make their boss earn (with audience numbers on tv and so on).
the pay of the two are different concepts.
It is in no way comparable.
>>70124414
Yeah, but you have to be worse than incompetent. Like you have to be either super injured for an honorable discharge or you have to be malicious, approaching treasonous, to get a dishonorable discharge.
>>70123434
Better contract mercenaries.
Also, the army is supposed to be more a duty than a career, especially if he's a pleb tier soldier
>>70123434
>be retard with no prospects
>I know, I'll go fight for Greater Israel's interests in the Middle East
>expect to be paid millions in return
wew lad
Millions are talented enough to be a soldier
There's less than 1000 people who are talented enough to play NFL level football
There's way more of a shortage and demand for an NFL QB compared to an American soldier.
>>70123622
>wake up
>turn on TV
>see some worthless shitskins getting massacred
>get my first beer
if only.
>>70123434
As active duty chair force no this argument is retarded, one is paid for by government one is paid for by the free market. People like watching football and giving them add revenue, thus they make the salary they do. We signed up for what we got, simple as that.
>what is supply and demand
Anyone who expresses a personal opinion on what someone "should" make "should" kill themselves
>>70124513
Incompetence under the right circumstances can be considered malicious or even be qualified as treason.
>>70123622
I would subscribe
>>70123622
>Body cams for all armed forces, even cooks and laundry staff (fetish porn)
> Give percentage of revenue from stream to individual soldier or combat group.
There's some serious cash waiting to be made for front line and special forces.
>>70124607
Maybe if you somehow ND into the foot of a four star general. The bar is NOT high, here.
>>70123434
Let's face it, the ability to get shot in the face by muhammad isn't particularly unique or valuable.
>>70124231
>yeah but they can't fucking fire you
Yes, yes they can.
Have you been under a rock for the last 8 years?
>Punitive Discharges.
>Administrative Separations
>Failing Weight and Fitness Requirements
>Failing Training
>AWOL
>Misconduct
>>70123622
God fucking yes, it would blow football and nigball out of the water with ratings. It would pay for its self.
>>70123622
>televising combat operations
Kind of surprised this isn't a thing yet.
We have the technology and we definitely aren't a moral society anymore.
>>70124607
You severely underestimate the type of people we allow in our military.
In some cases, literal retards are allowed.
>>70123434
Interesting uniform. It seems familiar.
>>70124370
~1700 active NFL football players
~1.4 million active military personnel, way more in reserves.
More like 823:1 military vs NFL
Pay for respective parties is more than fair.
Just so you guyz know peoples do not have real respect for soldiers and babies killer they considered them mostly disposable tools..
>>70123434
No because the number of positions on a football field is fixed by the number of teams and the maximum allowable players on the field (plus second string players). Meaning that the players on the field have EXTREMELY high performance standards.
People in the armed forces do not have nearly as high standards and there are millions of openings for applicants.
>>70124666
>>70124750
>You are supposed to have the best military in the world.
Fug.
>>70124734
>a moral society
2000 years ago watching gladiator battles was pretty normal in Rome.
>>70124817
speak english leaf
>>70124734
>>70123622
Its dangerous if the enemy can watch the stream
>>70123622
Pay per view campaigns and battles. Sign me up.
>>70123622
why is that not a thing? Nobody cares about the morality of it, and those who do think it's just useful to show the carnage as well.
>>70124439
This. Almost anyone can be soldier, very very few people can be NFL players
>>70123434
more like defending jews
>>70124884
Hah, no. We just spend the most money.
>>70124884
We do. Other militaries are not better.
See: IDF with tanks.
>>70124911
Air them after?
>>70123434
Thing is, athletes and celebrities shouldn't be paid fucking millions when they don't contribute at all to society.
>inbf4 muh charities tax exempt
Now, I believe Operators and other special operations MOS should be paid 6 figures.
You're telling me a fucking Seal/SF making 45-60k a year is over paid?
I make more than them and all I do is weld and cut metal.
Pilots should be getting paid 6 figures too.
i understand the sentiment, but certainly not
also:
>playing a sport in a helmet
yanks are such poofs i swear
>>70124884
We certainly have the best equipment.
Just remember that stupid people are great at absorbing bullets. Everyone has a use in the military.
>>70124983
You are not even spending it that well.
>>70125002
Those are jews which also have a conscription based system.
You are supposed to have a volunteer professional army to not have retards in it.
>>70123434
I see this sort of argument a lot. No one joins the military for the pay, other wise it would be full of folks doing it just for the money rather than caring for the cause.
Our military don't get it as bad as other countries, you get reduced taxes, free medical and dental care, the military help you pay for housing, they teach you skills that are transferable when you leave. They don't get it brilliant, but they don't get it bad either.
American military on the other hand get treated like shit by their government. Especially with all the homeless veterans and high suicides.
>>70124911
>implying there is live tv.
Everything is aired minutes later after a few accidents.
>>70125023
>Thing is, athletes and celebrities shouldn't be paid fucking millions when they don't contribute at all to society.
They do though
>>70123622
Came here to post this. The military would have to start negotiating TV rights. I'm surprised the electric Jew hasn't thought of this yet, seeing how they are fighting and dying for Israel.
>>70125023
>Thing is, athletes and celebrities shouldn't be paid fucking millions when they don't contribute at all to society.
They're paid what they're worth in their respective markets.
There is one Lebron James in the world and he's the only one in the entire world who can do what he does.
>But it's just a sport!
No shit, but in that climate, making 30 million is worth it for what he brings to the team.
Why can't people understand basic economics?
>>70124907
I am just fucking with you .. YOu know you the best right ?!
>>70124370
Then why are all the other players/positions so overpaid?
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/
>>70125111
>You are not even spending it that well.
Well, you know who's behind it.
>>70125020
>>70124137
>>70124545
>>70124650
>>70124654
>>70124724
>>70124912
>>70124915
>>70125168
>>70124734
You don't want potential enemies knowing how your army conducts operations. There's also the aspect of veterans, their families and the loved ones of those who died during combat getting triggered by something like this.
Something like this would only attract edgy teens
>>70125111
No, the reason we have a volunteer army is because everyone was grumpy about Nam.
>>70123622
FPBP
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>Produced by the creators of The Apprentice and The Celebrity Apprentice.
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>We send them on some of the most dangerous missions that have ever been devised by our sick and twisted team of Military Intelligence, PSYOPS, and crusty old 11b Ranger-tabbed 1SGs.
>Whether they be ISIS, Taliban, Serbians, Chechens, Colombian Drug Thugs, Somali Pirates, or North Korean regulars to fight, our SOF competitors are literally dying for the chance to plant the American flag in a pile of rubble that used to be a nursing home filled with Chinese communist veterans of the Korean War.
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Trump really is going to Make America Great Again.
Military channel.
Sign me in.
>>70125265
This is a good point
Nah, soldier-fucks are overrated.
The fuck should do what he's told, even if that means dying.
If the fuck in question is of the opinion that he should be paid more he should be given such an order and replaced with one with a better opinion.
In the case of a country's active defense then the matter's a bit different, but there's currently very few people that can legitimately claim that sort of fame.
>>70123434
>there are 1.4 million soldiers
>there are 1,696 football players in the NFL
To make this a reality, we either have to stop paying football players so much or drop literally billions on soldier pay. This is a stupid shirt.
>>70123434
Yes because I don't give a shit about football.
But it doesn't matter because it's supply and demand - football players make their jew owners big bucks, so they pay them a lot.
Soldiers get pretty good pay too, by the way.
>>70124296
A really good non-shitpost from Straya for once
>>70125293
MAKE THIS REAL PLEASE MAKE THIS REAL
I'D SUCK DICK TO HAVE THAT REAL
>>70125265
You are on 4 chins.
Moreover nobody is fucking forcing the vets to watch it.
And moreover, if the enemy can figure stuff out from a TV show, then they already know.
>>70125221
Free market and higher performances in contract years.
Gauging athlete performance is a fucking science, man, and very few people can gauge talent on a consistent basis. It's why good GMs are hard to find and why so many teams perpetually do badly in their sports.
Building a winning team is not an easy task given the thousands of variables there are in modern sports.
>>70125362
>stop paying football players so much
Works for me.
>>70125159
>>70125185
Wow, I'm assuming you're sports fan.
There's no rational argument can be made that these athletes/celebrities that help society as a whole.
They'er parasites, that we allow to get paid 100s of million for playing a child's game and or whore themselves on TV.
Why do we Americans have a celebrity worship culture? 90% can't even conjured an original thought.
>>70123622
The Shadowrun RPG has something called Desert Wars which is basically this.
>>70124296
>>70125538
In the grand scheme of things, it's technically not right what these athletes gets paid, but again, supply and demand.
Basic economics.
If you really want to bitch, look to Hollywood. They make athletes salaries look like minimum wage.
>>70123622
reminds me of the George Carlin bit about prisons and the Four Corners
>>70125438
>You are on 4 chins.
And you're on /pol/. Morality is necessary for any society that wishes to function properly.
>Moreover nobody is fucking forcing the vets to watch it.
That's not the point, and besides maybe their friends or family watch it and talk to them about it? It's just not a good thing overall.
>And moreover, if the enemy can figure stuff out from a TV show, then they already know.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Please just stop
>>70125517
Why? Are you a socialist?
>>70125293
>>70125435
>5 years later the US army is decimated by the combined strength of Russia and China because the enemy knew exactly how their army operates and had no problem cracking their communications
>all with the help of WAR by LiveLeak
>>70125517
Fuck off back to le reddit pinko. We support a free market here.
>>70125517
>i shouldn't have the choice to pay other people
anyone that complains about the money generated by the entertainment industry is retarded
>>70125828
Dude there is so much war footage circling around from Afghanistan I can tell you if anyone really cared they could figure out most of the "super secrit" stuff in a day.
Don't be a retard. Most of which is already basic logic and tactics that at most come from WW2 City Combat Doctrines, and that is at most.
>>70123434
They kinda do already, if you're a high-ranking officer.
>also reminder that officers are the only ones in the military worth admiring. It doesn't matter how much of a highly trained Special ops, Marine, Navy SEAL, Spetznaz you are, you're still an expendable grunt. Never once in the history of war has a foot solider changed the course of a war, but you can find plenty of officers that did.
>>70125485
Couldn't the same procedural standards be applied to the military, then?
Really, the only difference between American football and the military is you're far more likely to die in the line of duty than you are playing the game.
I'm not saying soldiers ought to be paid more just for enlisting - but specific breed of people or w/e that make objectively good combatants deserve more than what they get.
how to fix america:
major push to enlist men from ages of 18-35
utilize big numbers to enforce the borders and route out the mexican cartels
then push the military south and conquer mexico
fuck them
take their shit
they can be americans once they start paying american taxes
then push south and take south america
fuck em
take their shit
then allow canada to vote to become part of america
if not
fuck them
take their shit
>>70124218
>enemy general has his television on while instructing his men how to counterattack
>>70126268
The "free market" never will pay for an army.
That is why taxes are needed.
>>70126164
and you think the US government is happy with it?
I can guarantee you that that footage is being analysed by loads of countries around the world constantly
I think athletes should be able to make millions, but the NBA, NFL, et al should be taxed aggressively.
>>70126322
>Gets so caught up in the show forgets to give orders
>Last words are "Holy shit I'm on TV!"
Nope. Milfag here. They're entertainers and athletes who are payed by a private corporation to compete, while the government funds our shit. Then what about EMTs and other first responders?
>>70123434
>defending
When will this meme end
>>70126268
>apply free market principles to the army
>entire army gets bought up by a bigger enemy
>they invade with ease because you have no army
ya ok
>>70126321
>how to fix America
>fill it with a billion third world shitskins
Why don't you finish highschool before posting.
>>70125993
No one will ever set foot on US soil or attack US soil in a conventional ware. The second they get close we go Mutually Assured Destruction on them and there wont even be enough left of the bodies to bury
We have the biggest cock in the room. Kiss the tip or bend over. Your choice
>>70126397
>>70126321
i forgot to mention
only the enlisted can vote
everyone else can get fucked
>capitalist
>soldiers making more than footballers
Pick one fuck goy
>>70126268
Because most people don't go into the military with combat in mind.
It takes more than infantry to make an army go. There are cooks, IT specialist, mechanics, you name it.
>>70126322
It's just as ridiculous as the initial suggestion soldiers should make more than NFL players.
>>70126321
>major push to enlist men from ages of 18-35
So you want to put more of a drain on the economy with government jobs?
Are you prepared to pay 50% taxes to fund this new army?
>>70126492
>its a USA #1 memepost
great insight there
>>70126376
You never once in your life read a book about war that was not fiction have you?
There is very little to learn from fucking combat footage. All the tactics are already known. The weaponry is showcased on parades so that is already known. At most you can figure out how much punishment a new piece of kit can take, but the US hasn't deployed anything but drones that is of much relevance.
Also when talking about encryption and codes you do realize that would not appear in combat footage most of the time and even when it does you have to remember those things change regularly.
There's a big difference in how football players and soldiers are funded.
>>70126321
and where's that money coming from?
i highly agree, someone putting his life on the line dying for his/her country should make much more for defending it, however american football players should also be taxed a lot, or should make an equal amount of pay as the soldier or even less, the american football player is safe, not fighting for his country, but playing a game, making millions for just a ball
>>70124889
Rome was a pre-morals society. Morality was invented in 33AD
>>70126562
we make up the difference by ending welfare and unemployment for any man eligible to serve
also, the cartels make millions
capturing the funds of a single cell would fund the military for years
>>70126431
The NFL is technically a "non-profit." How BS is that?
>>70123434
You join the military to be a soldier not a soldier of fortune.
>>70124911
5min delay or even 2h delay for some operations, shit if they would let you pay for flying drone from couch with safety settings so they won't fall due to lag and reasonable follow function so you can "support" your favorite soldier with watchful eye from the fucking couch every sport would be so fucking done.
>>70126696
>however american football players should also be taxed a lot
Um, they are?
They're not somehow tax exempt.
>>70126730
It's the status quo at this point in America. No big corporations pay taxes. It's cheaper to bribe politicians than to pay what you owe to the American people.
>>70126329
>>70126466
The US army is just a glorified mercenary company by this point, so I can see the free market being applied to it.
As for anyone buying it out, well the transaction has to be voluntary in order for the exchange to take place, ie. Roman army.
>>70125993
Pick up a goddamn manual. It's not classified although considered sensitive is public fucking information. They fucking have it if they want it.
>manual says they maintain 360 degree security.
MUHOAHAHAHAHAHAW! WE HAVE CRACKED THEIR CODE WE KNOW NOW WE MUST ATTACK FROM UNDERGROUND!
You can't counter Infantry tactics...
>>70126615
BTW, these videos have existed for a long time already. There are entire series on TV about Seal and Ranger school. Entire websites dedicated to tactics. Putting it on TV is just letting the idiots who watch TV have some fun. What is out there is already known. Beyond that, it doesn't really mater who knows what, because like I said, the second you become a little too dangerous you die. Its really a very simple matter
>>70126856
ah well its been a long time since ive returned to california or to the US in general, in UAE all emiratis when they finish high school have to go to head towards military conscription after they realized of how poor our military in yemen, now theyre doing joint trainings with KSA, and being much more tough, since they are now supported by russia AND china, i think north korea as well
>>70126562
The entirety of the US military is a fraction of the cost of Social Security. Military is cheap compared to feeding old fucks and retards
>>70123434
yes
>>70126511
Well it can be applied to cooking, engineering, etc. as well, can't it?
>>70126696
>the american football player is safe
You do know how prone to injury football players are, correct? And that they will probably suffer brain damage and die at age 60, correct?
>>70127000
Post something covered in sand with timestamp.
>>70127079
Eh, why bother? I mean, it's paid for by taxes, so there's no incentive to get "the best."
>>70123434
> Defending "Our Country"
Dumbest euphemism for 'kike interests' ever.
>>70127113
theyre safe meaning, theyre in their homeland being protected, not a country invading them, thats what i mean by safe
>>70125265
I think we just need gladiator type fighting again
>>70126717
The US military costs in the order of five hundred billions per year. That is more than every cartel combined for fifty years would make. I repeat, finish highschool before posting.
>>70127423
>The US military costs in the order of five hundred billions per year.
yeah, that is the cost of fighting in the middle east, without taking the oil
i'm talking about deploying locally from texas and taking everything they can
>>70123434
Why not become a mercenary? I heard they make shitloads of money.
Am I a jew?
>>70127546
No you fucking moron, even if you cut out the entire operations budget the military still spends 400 billion per year on payroll, soldier housing, R&D, and procurement.
>>70123434
The market doesn't agree so no
Lose the helmet and you have a deal.
>>70127353
If you could somehow entirely remove incentives for everyone but potential gladiators it would be great
But there's way too much room for abuse
>>70127791
you're just too canadian to understand
>>70128577
its a leaf, what do you expect ?
>>70127656
I don't trust you to know.
>>70128746
maybe i should have structured my argument in the form of canoeing
>>70123622
/thread
>>70128839
i dont reply to canadians, you shouldnt too
