ITT: act like it is 1852
>>70119585
LOL NIGGERS XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>70119585
fucking germans it won't be too long till they try to conquer southern Jutland
Boy do I love being white
Whaile I say, them niggers getten mighty uppity out there in the feilds, boy, go tell them to knock it off or itll be the chains for a week
>>70120966
When did it all start tumbling down
>>70119585
Long live rhe empire
>>70119585
Lets send the negroes home before they get freed.
>>70119585
send them negroes to liberia
So what do you think of those friendly railroad Huns? Honorary Aryans or nay?
If that terrible yankee Franklin Pierce wins the election there's going to be hell to pay. It's bad enough that he's a drunk, but now I hear he wants to nullify the Missouri compromise.
This will not stand!
>>70119585
I do say chaps, though their cuisine might be apt enough for our palate, and their culture indulges our urge to learn and our fascination with foreigners, Indian sanitation simply isn't up to snuff, so to speak.
Well hello dere.
Dem some mighty fine slaves ya got.
I'll give you $100 each for three of them field hands and $200 each for a pair of house Negresses.
Paddy potato famine best day of my life
>>70119585
waaade in the waterr
dammn danes, occupying german land. fuckin libtards want a constitution and shit, dont they know that monarchy comes from god?
I'm going to get off the internet and actually work now. Find a good woman and raise a good, God-fearing boy, yes I am.
>>70123006
>Constitution
>limiting the powers of your king
Are you a cuckhold?
>>70119585
Just from the outside looking in, there are two different perspectives on the cause of the Civil War, none of which are true. If you believe the northern perspective, you believe that the Civil War was caused by southern aggression and a moral crusade to end slavery. If you believe the southern perspective, you believe that the Civil War was caused by north aggression and a moral crusade to keep the federal government from trampling over the tenth amendment.
What really happened is that the Civil War was a massive repossession. For about a hundred years leading up to the Civil War, banks had been issuing loans for the buying of slaves, land, houses, and farming resources. These banks were based in the north. They had the power to seize the collateral of loan payments left not payed, which they did. Through this, the north had been sucking the wealth out of the south long before the Civil War. The turning point of the Civil War happened before the hostilities even began, while the north was winning a long financial campaign against the south.
Hostilities did not begin until it became clear that the slave-agricultural bubble (speculative value of plantation related equity in slaves, equipment, houses, land versus what was owed) was about to pop. The growth of abolitionism represented a clear threat that the banks and their puppet government in the north could have the moral high ground in a massive repossession. The south, essentially, said "You can't have our shit," and declared independence.
Have you ever wondered why in early American history you hear about how all the wealthy people were in Virginia while the poor people were in Plymouth, and then now the wealthy people are in the north and the poor people are in the south? The Civil War is that reason. The transfer of wealth and production capacity by the scariest weapon man has ever devised - banking.
This is why Jackson and the populist Democrat southerners were so against central banking.
>>70119585
Fucking centurials ruined our society, we are degenerated now.
Also, kill all jews, no one likes or defends them anyways.
>tfw a serf
>tfw guns are legal
>tfw drugs are legal
>>70124733
>tfw libereated russian
>guns illegal
>don't own home
>don't have farm
>don't have wife
>still a bitch to politiboru and union leaders
>have to die in war for economic reasons
BRB, gonna take my slave for a walk.
>>70124436
Interesting stuff. Do you have any sources to back this up?
>>70124837
well actually serfs were liberated in 1861, commies were just tryina help the working class f a m
>>70119585
Just got back from the whipping post. Did I miss anything? Thank Jesus we can work to gods glory without being distracted by that damned agent in Rome. *spit*
>be woman
>live comfortable life with loving husband who gives you many children
>cook, clean, gossip, read, sew clothes
>/comfy/
>>70124961
>help working class
>take working classes possessions
>>70124961
>richest are the non worker administrators
Long live the Empire
>>70124733
>tfw a serf
>tfw the law is whatever your owner says
>tfw guns are illegal for serfs
>tfw drugs are illegal for serfs
>tfw resting is illegal for serfs
>tfw education is illegal for serfs
>tfw you get drafted into a war against people you don't know anything about
>tfw you survive a war and go back to back-breaking labor
>tfw aristocrats hunt you for fun
>tfw you'll be hung after a revolt whether you supported it or not
Whew, tzarism sounds so fun!
[spoilers]I don't think Russia had any good periods after Byzantium went into decline, save for very brief NEP[/spoiler]
>>70125369
Damn, missed an S.
Long live oviet Union!
>>70125077
they were taking peasant's possessions mostly, I'm not justifying anything, I'm just correcting you.
And the peasants were the largest part of Russia's population
>>70125369
iktf senpai
>>70125106
yeah
>>70119585
Have you noticed that all the slave owners are Jews? Why don't we castrate our slaves like the Turks do?
>>70125369
reality
and not soviet propaganda.
>>70124932
http://www.abrahamlincolnsclassroom.org/abraham-lincoln-in-depth/abraham-lincoln-and-civil-war-finance/
Kike website that tries to push all the blame on the South for it.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/general/2002/02/21/slave-brown-bros.htm
One of the banks that did this shit is named.
Sure the loans weren't just for plantation related assets, but the seizure of those assets and the freeing of the slaves was the seizure of what could be considered collateral for those debts.
>>70125369
serfdom should have been reformed as mandatory labor, same shit you had in soviet union, because hierarchy provides possibility to progress rather than class conflict.
>>70119585
Dear Lord, if Nigger prices rise like during the last year, it's really gonna be difficult making money with cotton in the 1870s
>>70125808
If you were a slave owner would have a harem of house negresses?
>>70125921
I would ban all slave labor in the U.S and send all the negroes back home, never allow a foreign race to settle in your peoples land.
>>70125678
I'm not defending USSR, senpai.
Cheap mass housing was built as a stopgap, btw, a temporary measure to offset catastrophic loss of residential areas during WW2, to provide separate apartments for families (before that, most people lived in communal apartments), and to facilitate moving agricultural workers into cities to help rebuild the industry.
These buildings were meant to be demolished in 10-20-30 years, so noone gave a fuck about looks. And they were still better than wooden barracks peasants and workers lived in before.
If you think your picture is bad... google K-7. The ultimate khruschevka.
BTW, if any of you think USSR was communist or socialist, you are wrong.
It was state capitalist, all the tools of labor belonged to the state.
>>70125369
It's hilarious that Westerners seem to think the Tsars were some kind of enlightened and benevolent leaders, when it was the last absolute monarchy in Europe that had kept Russia backwards and it's people crushed.
The Tsars got everything they deserved.
There was a brief period, from like 1917-27 maybe, despite all the violent of the civil war, when Russia made enormous strides and embraced Modernity, enlightenment reason, and threw off the backward superstitious autocracy. All went to shit after that mind you.
>>70125875
Comfy
>>70126488
kill yourself communist/republican scum.
>>70125808
Serfs couldn't progress anywhere.
They were slaves. The only way to leave serfdom was to somehow run away to Don Cossacks (think Underground Railroad, but without any help, with EVERYONE trying to recapture you) or die.
There was no social mobility in Imperial Russia. A noble couldn't become a peasant, a peasant couldn't become a noble. To think otherwise is treason. Prepare to be hanged. God save the Fatherland!
>>70126420
Taking peoples shit is very Communist, reality of Communism is people taking your shit and you're supposed to like it because apparently it's good for you to have less things.
>>70126177
So, would you fuck off back to Britain then?
>>70119585
When is Abe Lincoln gonna free us?
>>70126710
can you provide proofs?
that sounds like massive propaganda.
>>70126758
I'm a conqueror and superior to natives, it was my moral duty to take their land.
>>70119585
I do declare Mr Beuagard. Your niggers are doing some fine work in those fields, just fine. Would you be willing to trade one of the boys for one of my lil nigger gals? I tell you something right now sir, she can do things our wives can't even think of!
>>70126849
>can you provide proofs?
Have you ever heard of an academic discipline called "history" by any chance?
>>70127140
I know history can be falsified by certain people.
>>70126758
Don't waste your time on this guy.
>>70126718
Uh, no. Communism isn't "taking your shit", that's feudalism and fascism.
Communism is complete absense of currency and property. You don't have anything that is only yours to use. You eat what you need to work, you work as much as you can. The food that you eat isn't yours, or the state's. It is everyone's. You are supposed to understand the optimal amount and never have any excess. Whatever you produce in turn is, again, not yours, it's everyone's. Communal.
Think Corp Hangar in small corps in EVE online, or kibutz in Israel.
Trick is - people can't beat their animalistic nature and start to hoard. When you have a small bunch of people, communism is possible, but anything more than 50-100 people, and bam, THE COMMUNISM, IT'S, UH, IT'S GONE!
So "reality of communism" is only present in Israeli deserts.
>>70126488
Dude, I know. The period you are referring to is NEP - New Economic Policy. A period of very liberal economy.
>>70127222
>my moral is correct
>yours is not
We share different morals, it was my moral duty to conquer land solely for my race and my children.
>>70121527
I hope the conservatives get the government next time.
Praise D. Pedro II
>tfw will never experience the western frontier
>>70126934
So surely mexicans and muslim immigrants are superior to you... right?
>ottomanfags getting rekt by montebros
independence when?
>>70127259
That is class war, right now your neighbor takes your shit, your neighbor has nothing, he eats your food, how was Communism is your economic interest now?
>>70127200
Believe it or not Feudal society was not like some video game, life was nasty brutish and short for most people, it wasn't some idyllic pastoral utopia.
Dying of typhoid aged 4, starving to death cos the harvest was poor, being murdered with impunity by a Land-owning Baron, being conscripted to 25 years forced military service and dying whilst fighting for an Aristocrat - this is about par for life prior to the Enlightenment.
Take a look at Russian history some time - it's a story of near-constant peasant revolts against a brutal and savage aristocracy coupled with immeasurable hardship and suffering.
You wouldn't last 2 minutes in their world.
>>70127454
If they can kill us in war and take our land, sure.
>>70127525
>I should believe republican historians
>I shouldn't believe Fascist historians
>1852
>slavery is still legal in the US
Oh my God. Wow, just wow. dost thou realise it is the year 1852 of our Lord?
>>70127481
>That is class war
Class warfare is a good thing. I fight for my class, in the service of my own economic self-interest. You side with the enemy.
>>70127377
>We share different morals, it was my moral duty to conquer land solely for my race and my children.
Sounds like the sort of thing a Savage would do.
Are you a savage?
>>70119585
Hey guys I'm a diplomatic envoy in Ottoman Empire(currently on a vacation back in Saint-Petersburg) and I can say that Russia will probably kick their asses and free Balkans soon. What could possibly go wrong, right?
>>70127596
It's against your economic interest to die, and it's in my economic interest to enslave you.
>>70127646
>70127646
You sound like a savage.
>>70120966
This union sure is fine.
>>70127594
lol you're a clown. This isn't even remotely controversial or disputed.
>>70127596
also in my economic interest to take all your shit and not share anything.
>>70126849
Are you an Olgino faggot under a proxy? You sure sound like one.
Read up on 1861 Reforms. Even after reforms, though, peasants were treated like second-class citizens... as opposed to property.
Seriously nigger, do you need a link to lmgtfy?
>>70127764
>lol you're a clown
>lol only my side is valid everyone else is biased
>>70127776
Are you telling me the Russian Empire wasn't Socialist at all?
>>70127595
Go back to England you yankee black republican scum.
GOTT ERHALTE FRANZ DEN KAISER UNSERN GUTEN KAISER FRANZ
quite frankly fuck hungarians
>>70119585
I heard something about a revolt being organized
Any fellow commonwealth fags know about this?
Heard it'll take till at least 1857 for it to happen tho
>>70127812
Pretty much.
You're a clown, and it's not about "bias" (something angsty little Americans get unusually triggered about) it's about objective historical analysis.
History has no obligation to "treat all opinions equally" (another Americanism) and there's no requirement for History to recognise "that both sides are equally wrong" - things happen and they don't have to correspond to your pre-conceptions or assumptions.
ultimately Communism is a contradiction, it attracts the have nots to have more and criticizes the haves for having what the nots do not have.
Anyways Communism is impossible and bad because it's against truth/reality.
>>70125369
>swallowing so much Soviet propaganda
More plantations less civil rights these suffragettes and abolitionists might as well be hung for Treason.
#RememberKansas
>>70127891
>Are you telling me the Russian Empire wasn't Socialist at all?
The Russian Empire wasn't Socialist. At all.
>>70128157
only way for everyone to have equal stuff is through socialism not Communism.
>>70126488
There were attemps of modernization on Russia, but some leftcucks destroyed it when they killed the reformist tzar.
Don't go into Governor's Office tomorrow. Some of you are ok, guys.
>>70128157
Lets say boats and airplanes don't exist, could communism work then?
>>70127481
What
>right now
are you referring to, ffs?!
Russia is capitalist. Crony capitalist, to be precise.
>your shit
>your food
Jesus fuck, you don't get what Communism IS. In a communist society, there is NOTHING that is "yours".
For instance, you need to create a hammer.
One person is a miner, one is a logger, other is an engineer, another one is a blacksmith, another one is a carpenter.
Miner and logger get more food than the other three, because they need more food, because their work burns more calories.
The engineer who designs the hammer gets better housing, some literature, more free time, etc., because he needs to be creative, but doesn't need as much food.
Blacksmith and carpenter get medium amount of food, somewhat okay housing.
Who assigns food/housing/jobs? These people themselves. They think about their needs and capabilities, and manage the resources themselves.
I want to die.
>>70128157
I fully agree that the well being of the people takes presidence over the few, but I also agree that those who work and produce is theirs and those that do not produce must accept their place as having no entitlement to the bread.
>>70127771
If you take all his shit and not share anything, he'll be inclined to either try to kill you or just fuck off and die. Then you die as well, because you can't provide for yourself and ensure the continuity of your society alone.
>>70127891
Yeeeeeah, he's trolling. Go to sleep, baby boy. И штaны пocтиpaй.
>>70128542
That's what I'm saying if all ownership is destroyed that's what you get, less shit.
>>70127346
For Marxists, you have a pattern to go through. It goes:
>Feudal economy
>Agrarian capitalism
>Industrial capitalism
>Socialism/Social Democracy
>Communism
Because Russia was a pre-capitalist country (outside of Moscow, which had some factories) Lenin and the bolsheviks believed they had to have a period of maybe a decade of capitalism (NEP) before they could move on to the next stage of development.
During that period of time, The Bolsheviks expected other European nations to have their own socialist revolutions, but when those revolutions failed to win power (especially in Germany) they were left in this fucked up situation - what do we do now?
Then Lenin dies, Stalin takes over, NEP gets dismantled in favour of "socialism in one country" and that's when the forced collectivization takes place.
I couldn't give you the exact date that it all went to shit, but it was some time in the late 1920's. But that short period, after the Tsars had been destroyed, when they had elections to the Council of People's Commissars, when they started to embrace the modern world, Russia made huge progress.
Before this it was the most backward state in Europe, but it was transformed into a modern forward thinking country. That's a legitimate achievement in my opinion - and it's weird becaus it's not a socialist achievement, it's not what the Bolsheviks were aiming for, but that's how history works out sometimes.
general sherman is nice guy tbqh
>>70127525
>this is about par for life prior to the Enlightenment.
When the enlightnment appeared the feudalism was already extinct.
>>70127653
Nothing! We will crush these turks, fampai!
>>70128661
I take you all as slaves to produce my food.
Your name is Toby ........
Do you guys have some time to listen about how Napoleon III is a gigantic faggot?
>tfw speaking both French and English
>considered the ultimate lock of trust between two bitter nations
>nobles come and go and consider our colony to be the most superior
>tfw still loyal to the great British empire
>tfw like America except cold and no niggers
>tfw Americans made a meme about us being all muscular lumber men and seen as the best if both worlds between civilised Europeans and hearty Scandinavians
Lool! Sweden look who fucking laughs now. Slesvig - Holsten is ours.
Fucking cuckolds, lmao.
>>70128875
Then we all decide 'fuck you' and burn your crops, go innawood, and wait for when you're in hunger to kill you.
Primal times freest times.
>>70119585
>you will never own a southern plantation
>>70128270
>killed the reformist tzar.
They weren't trying to modernise Russia though, he was trying to save the Tsarist system by making very small modernisation as a compromise. The modernisation wasn't even the Tsars ideas people like Stolypin were the driving force behind that, and even then it fell well short of what was needed, as the later collapse of the Tsarist system proved pretty conclusively.
>>70129015
never happened in 500 years of negro slavery.
>>70127986
I HAVE AN IMPORTANT MISSION FOR YOU.
Run off into the jungle, writing books and etching stone tablets about pooing in loo. Become a leader of poo in loo tribe, bestow upon your disciples the knowledge of pooinloo. Instruct them to return to the people once Brits are gone, and teach them to poo in loo like their ancestors did.
Seriously, India really went down the drain after occupation.
The Trans-Siberian Railway is the longest railway in the world. It was built between 1891 and 1916 to connect Moscow with the Far-East city of Vladivostok. En route it passes through the cities of Perm, Yekaterinburg, Omsk, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, Chita and Khabarovsk.
not socialist at all fampai, they were simple exploiters and not for the greater good of Russia.
>>70129104
>negro slavery
geez, wonder why
>>70127986
Shouldn't you be dying of starvation about this time?
>>70127454
Living in the garage and cleaning their cars isn't considered "conquering" but more of a "squatting, with benefits" sort if deal
>>70128661
If you steal food, tools or weapons enough you can stay raiding the workcucks for what they have.
>not believing Davis has Presidential potential
>wants to make Cuba an American state
>wants to finish what we started in Mexico
>wants to retake Haiti for white men
He is the man we need.
>>70129118
What are you talking about?
Everyone poos in the loo here
>>70129195
The rich ones don't die that easily :^)
>>70129231
Davis
>>70128270
>Nikolay II
>the mop rag czar
>reformist
HA-HA-HA, gimme another one of these jokes. You are killing it!
>>70119585
those damn Dixies are getting restless, what do?
>>70126758
Whats the point when 90% of the inhabitants of the Americas died of small pox? Should we have left 2 continents basically empty?
>>70119585
What the fuck are those yankees thinking? That cotton aint gonna pick itself!
>>70128738
>less shit
You don't get "less shit", you have no shit to begin with. Never had, never will have.
Until whole humanity gets a hivemind, communism is impossible.
Socialism is somewhat more reachable.
>>70119585
It's the Year of Our Lord 1852 and look at what just came in the mail Silas!
>>70129341
Nicolay II started World War 1 y'know.
It was his decision to mobilise the Russian Army, made by him and not by his generals, that led to the conflict.
Fuck him. My great-grandad fought at the Somme. There was never a more pointless fucking war in European history than world war 1.
>>70121527
This
>>70129478
You are being retarded, you obtain things in communism but you don't own it.
>>70129478
Communists tend to make a distinction between personal possessions and property though.
So you can own a car under communism (in theory...) but the factory that makes the car is owned by The People and run by The Workers.
>>70128801
Dude, dude, dude. Look at my flag.
I know this. I read Kapital (unlike most self-described commies), I read history books, you don't have to tell me about this.
Better tell it to the american idiot, he clearly has no clue.
>>70129478
Humanity doesn't exist first of all, there is nothing unifying of all the different genes, this is truth, and you must work with this just as a magical Communist paradise where you don't have to eat or drink water.
>germans
>ever united
Fucking kek mon ami
Niggers for sale. Can I get an opening bid?
>>70129688
>I read the opinions of a man
>this mans opinion has authority
>>70119585
We should ban alcohol
>>70127259
Anarcho-capitalism is superior in every imaginable way.
The meme that communism was necessary to modernize Russia needs to die. Just look at Finland, the only part of the empire where the whites won.
>>70129778
fucking Dixies and their immoral beharvior
>>70129573
He actually didnt want a war and was writing with his cousin, Wilhelm II many a mail. He could have stopped everything though, but someone convinced him at the open discussion by implying he was a wussy by not making a manly decision. I bet it was a jew.
I am unsure how to act like I am in an opium den via text.
>>70129857
anarcho is complete shit, Tsarist Prussian Socialist Russia would be best.
Gentlemen of the forum, I'm sure many of you have heard rumors of Succession from The Union.
I'm positive that as long as those nutty Republicans stay out of office such a thing will never happen, with God as my witness.
>>70129883
It was a Jew.
Guys I have a bad feeling about this whole slavery thing, I think we should just send them back while we still can.
>>70129688
My apologies tovarish.
I wouldn't waste my time on the American. There are some pretty stupid Europeans on here, but the worrying thing is these Americans are probably the best and brightest America has to offer.
>>70129989
>Update
I'm with you brother, the white mans land should be tilled by white men, God wills it.
Now, I say, what in tarnation is a "World War?" IN THIS YEAR OF OUR LORD 1852 we don't know of anything like that.
Now somebody tell me about this new science of phrenology. It seems a promising way to evaluate my daughter's suitors.
>>70129118
>Everyone poos in the loo here
Don't bullshit me.
>>70129573
Everyone involved was retarded as fuck.
Terrists were dumb for killing a politician who sympathised with them, Austrians went apeshit over Franz Ferdinand buying it, Gerries were retarded for supporting Austria and attacking Belgium and France, Brits - for attacking Germans, Russia - for mobilizing during the economic decline (although the country would've fallen anyway - people were starving even before the war)... Every dumbshit elite faggot is at blame. Too bad Trotsky got owned and most bloody-handed bastards never got a taste of their own medicine.
>>70129989
I agree with you, but them Southerners are threatening to secede if we do
>>70129989
Can we put the suffragettes and Abolitionist men out to work my plantation then?
>>70129857
>The meme that communism was necessary to modernize Russia needs to die.
It wasn't necessary - that's just how it happened.
Same's true of China - they could've embraced modernity in a million and one different ways, but it just so happened that it was the communists that did it. Had the civil war gone another direction, it would've been someone else.
Anarcho-capitalism is not a serious political system. Capitalism needs a state and every functioning capitalist market economy that's ever existed in human history has had a state.
poland? what poland?
no such thing.
[speaks Jèrriais]
>>70119585
I heard the hotshots up in Washington is tryna take my negro workers away from me
telling me i gotta pay them or let them go
I am tired of those big fancy bureaucrats thinking they can tell what i can do what i cant
what do my fellow plantation owners? should we ougta just secede from this soon to be uncontrollable federal expansionism?
>>70130198
What is a Poland? What kind of flag is that
>>70129778
No get those things out of our country think about your great grand children you southern faggot.
By God, I'm not so sure about all this nation building going on in the world today. We don't want those Jacobins in our country and we certainly don't want one man at the head of a whole country, don't we?
>>70129645
You obtain exactly what you NEED, not what you WANT.
Things you need to serve the greater whole. You get a shovel today to shovel coal into the boiler, but tomorrow a more efficient shoveler will pop up and you will give him the shovel by your own volition, and go do something you'd be more efficient at, like writing slogans to impress fellow proletarians with a pen given to you by previous writer.
You never owned the shovel or the pen. You are one big neo-liberal family in communism.
I am happy and healthy. I feel excited for my future. I am a valued member of my community.
>>70130048
The indians are given over to indolence, still many don't accept Jesus Christ as their saviors, and when they do plant crops they can't even plant them in a straight row.
By our shining example as we clear, level, and till the land, they will become productive Christian members of our great Civilization, or they will be swept away.
However, in my travels, I have been friendly with the Oh Jibway on the Superior, and sired many sons there among their beautiful and fertile women. It's my duty to bring these races up and sons of white men may lead them to civilization.
>>70119585
fucking ottomans REEEEEEEEE
>>70129573
>Nicolay II started World War 1 y'know.
Was us actually, soz lads. At least Russians were there to bail us out, we got a letter 1 day before the war started from the Tsar saying he'd defend us and did some pretty cool shit to make France save our soldiers too.
>>70130134
Leon Trotsky is a good contender for the best amatuer general of all time.
Considering he was a intellectual with fuck all military experience he did a good job fighting off those counter-revolutonaries and foreign armies.
Fucking Mormons and their godless "marriage". Invasion of Utah when?
You can work with the Tsar not go in a retarded revolution.
This is the result of people who worked with their people of all qualifications and orders.
Finland/GDP per capita
49,146.65 USD (2013)
Kingdom of Sweden /GDP per capita
60,430.22 USD (2013)
Iceland/GDP per capita
47,461.19 USD (2013)
Kingdom of Norway/GDP per capita
100,818.50 USD (2013)
Kingdom of Denmark/GDP per capita
59,831.70 USD (2013)
>>70130723
Sir that kind of language carries a two dollar fine in this territory.
Please kindly pay the barkeep, who also serves us as the Federal magistrate.
>>70130758
God bless the Nordic Model, comrade!
>vote Sanders, 2016
>>70130758
result of Jewish destruction and unatural declarations of prosperity?
Russia/GDP per capita
14,611.70 USD (2013)
Remember four years ago when we showed those Mexicans who's boss, tis was a glorious
>>70129802
Yeah, I read the book that defines communism, by the man who invented communism. What Marx says about communism isn't an opinion, it's a statement.
Let's talk in terms more familiar to a simple american mind, unclouded by such rocket science as logic, analogies and complex reasoning!
Imagine: Lauren Faust says that Twinkie Pie is a pony. You think "aha, so Twinkie Pie is a pony! Gotta remember that!". It's a fact. In Lauren's mind, in her creation, Twinkie Pie is a pony, not a xenomorph or a fucking double frappuchino pansexual transvestite.
Likewise, Marx says: "To everyone according to his needs, from everyone according to his capabilities". It's fact. Not opinion. Because he's the one who created his version of communism.
Simple enough?
>>70130176
>economy needs slavery and every functioning economy that's ever existed in human history has had slavery
It's 1852 after all.
>>70130443
How exactly do you imagine that society could ever progress under such a system?
>>70130608
I'm curious, why didn't you agree to all points in the ultimatum when you ended up hanging the dudes who were behind the assassination anyway?
>>70119585
Hey gringo, do you want to buy texas?
>>70131115
yes, Communism he invented and the work Communism is what he says, doesn't mean his opinion of what is good is true.
>>70119585
Can we just get rid of the niggers already? That continent they sit on could be much better in our hands.
>>70131188
word*
>>70129857
JESUS FUUUUUCK, READ MY FUCKING POSTS, PEOPLE!
1. I am not defending communism, I am explaining what it is supposed to be.
2. Communism never existed IRL aside from Kibutz, JEWISH TINY DESERT VILLAGES!
China is not communist! USSR was not communist! They are not socialist either, THEY ARE STATE CAPITALIST!
>>70131327
Probably because Communism is complete shit and you can prove it by legalizing theft effectively destroying all property.
>>70131115
>buh Karl Marx said!
What Karl Marx said has no bearing on how Communism actually works. Karl Marx's ideas put into practice collapses almost immediately, much like as if someone would take Lauren Faust's MLP as political gospel.
>It works, I swear! We all just need to be ponies!
Should have stayed out of Houston. Now I'm gonna die of yellow fever.
Why are we talking about communism in this thread, it's 1852, what is communism
>>70131327
What in tarnation is this USSR you speak of my Russian friend? Your Tsar still rules from Saint Petersburg.
Tell me, does your nation yet have railways? We have found them most excellent for hauling, far superior to waggon trains. Locomotive engineers are professional gentleman, as well, and teamsters are but churls.
>>70131327
You sound like the people saying that ISIS is not muslim.
China and the USSR were socialist. I'm pretty sure that socialism was considered by Marx, who you've quoted already, to be a transitional period between capitalism and communism characterized by dictatorship of the proletariat.
And why are you not defending communism is you think it's something totally harmless that only ever existed in Jewish desert villages?
REMOVE SANTA ANNA
>>70131327
>Communism never existed IRL
Yes it did. We cannot judge by theory. Real communism did exist. It's just that it needed to make compromises immediately, and fell apart.
It either descended into pure despotism and barbarism, attempting to force it's ideals onto an uncaring and non-compliant reality (Soviet Union, Cambodia, North Korea) or it gradually adapted until it had a hard time even pretending to be communism anymore (Cuba, China).
Or anything in-between. Saying REAL Communism didn't exist is practically a No True Scotsman-argument.
look at me, I am king now
>>70131528
I never said human society is ready for implementation of communism. However, I am still at loss how you don't understand what communism is.
>>70131532
Then make your own economic system to your liking and name it however you want. Stop trying to redefine communism. You sound like rabid SJWs trying to warp definition of racism and sexism and stating that dictionaries are "ya opinion muh mon".
>>70131607
A German Jew by the name of Marx has written on the subject of collective societies. He seems to think they will be instituted by war from within, a most subversive subject.
His book was recently translated into English and promulgated among the literati in the Northeast.
I fear there may be much bloodshed if the underclasses get hold of their ideas.
May I interest you in the finest and freshest tobac you ever smoked Sir? Tinned on the plantation in Virginia. What a wonder!
>>70131733
Socialism kills Communism, aint no one going to get conscripted to fight for some Jews fetish when they are getting paid like mad men with shit tons of jobs, can practically buy anything, have their own house etc..
The Tsar could have easily beat the revolutionaries by becoming a Socialist Emperor.
>>70131889
When is human society ready to stop eating food?
So when do join Prussia ? I'm tierd living under Russians we share nothing in common
>>70128801
Don't you think praising Lenin's plans as a crowning achievement for Russia after the murder of the Czars is a kind of uncritical view on the Soviet coup?
The reason socialism never rose in Europe was because the workers were actually enjoying the fruits of capitalism. There has only been a struggle in Germany because the socialists were actively persecuted which helped them actually increase their numbers. Take a look at Britain which did not exercise any repercussions in that scope and you will see that they had less problems with socialists henceforth, although they had Karl Marx directly on your island.
So the idea for Communism in Marx's mind was violent revolution to bring it about since the liberals in Germany actively opposed democracy for they feared it would inevitably advance socialism (which it actually did). The overthrow of the Czars was to the Communist's a necessary deed. An ideological crime.
But what happened with those revolutions is that they are bloody and corrupting. The Communist's themselves destroyed the means of productions they thought to secure for the people. The NEP was not some clever concept Lenin had in the back of his mind. It was a necessary correction to undo the damage of their revolution which in the long run continued to cost even more lives.
The people in Ukraine used to say that their country was the breadbasket of Europe but somehow as soon as the Czars were gone nobody had anything to eat anymore.
>>70119585
>tfw piss poor
>tfw Ivan took out the last cow so now have to eat tree bark
>>70131733
>China and the USSR were socialist
Holy fuck, a croatian is trying to tell me shit about my country.
Socialism - means of production belong to the workers that use them.
State capitalism - means of production belong to the state that lends them to the workers if the state feels so.
USSR and PRC - the government officials assign workers to production plants, assign 5-year plans, order production of specific goods and generally command every aspect of both the economy and citizens' lives. Workers have no say in what they produce. Worker councils are fabrications for foreign PR and were never functional.
I'm surprised you didn't know that, being an ex-Yugoslavian.
>>70131889
>Stop trying to redefine communism.
I'm not. You are. You're trying to sell off communism as being not-communist, but it's simply not true. Communism did exist, and it's failed horrifically every single time, and immediately fell apart.
Communism "as written" is incompatible with reality. It doesn't mean that serious attempts weren't made, or that those attempts weren't "real" communism, just because they failed. They failed *because* they were communist and thus incompatible with reality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
I HATE THE FRENCH SO DAMN MUCH
>>70128801
Good posts bro. 8/10 would read again.
>>70132008
Never. Likewise, communism has no requirement for its adherents to stop eating food. You just eat what you NEED, not what you WANT.
In capitalism, you eat what you CAN, not what you WANT.
>>70132271
>Socialism - means of production belong to the workers that use them.
Lolno. Marxist fucking nonsense.
>>70132271
>I implement Communist policies, destroy all property this is supposed to be good and next step in human civilization
>wtf I don't like Communism anymore
The point of Communists is that they want more stuff.
Fuckin yankees trying to free my farm equipment
>>70119585
electric cars are the future and all these Internal combustion things are just too inefficient
AEIOU r-right guys? H-haha
>>70122699
You'd be willing to pay $5800 in today's currency for 2 unwashed black whores? Shameful
>>70132429
Okay, eat only what you need my good ol chum.
>>70129989
Here in texas we fought for the right to own slaves and you want us to give that up? Shut the fuck up damn yankee faggot.
>>70129778
I'll give you a watermelon tea and some skittles.
>>70132637
nah, fuck off nigger, Southerners didn't own slaves they fought to keep them niggers as slaves as opposed as citizens.
>>70132540
this guy
>>70129573
>Nicolay II started World War 1 y'know.
That matter was long out of hand as he also told his cousin Wilhelm. It was the Panslavists that were driving the country to war and instead of packing up and just going home the Austrians had to go on and bomb Belgrade.
>>70132429
>In capitalism, you eat what you CAN, not what you WANT.
That's more fucking nonsense. I don't eat more than I want, even if I can. I'm not a capitalist, but that entire sentence is such fucking nonsense.
As for what you need to eat, that's a pretty big fucking subject up for debate. Nobody needs to eat only what they need to eat.
We're human beings, we're not good at the whole bare minimum communist thing. It's like saying all we need is concrete blocks for housing, because art is unnecessary.
In shocking news, humans appreciate art, music, and culture, including food. Comrade #88 is not satisfied with Supplemental Gruel #413.
>>70131942
The US managed had far less trouble with socialist revolutionaries than Germany, simply because capitalism works better and made the workers wealthier than Bismarck's quasi-welfare state did.
The Tsar might have remained in power by becoming a socialist emperor, but the commies still wouldn't have been satisfied and the only thing he would have saved was his own skin.
>>70132271
Because it's exactly the same, workers only owned and ran Yugoslav industries on paper.
The USSR and the PRC were just as socialist, because the workers 'owned' the state. On paper.
>>70132429
But in capitalism everyone is trying to make what you want as cheap as possible to take your money so that they can use it to pursue what they want. Someone who doesn't even know you can make a damn good assumption how much you want something simply according to how much money you're willing to give him for it. Isn't that great?
>>70132429
I will give you Water, Food, Medical Care and necessities for life, the rest is for me, you don't need it.
Ah ! tu finiras bien par hurler, misérable !
Encor tout haletant de ton crime exécrable,
Dans ton triomphe abject, si lugubre et si prompt,
Je t'ai saisi. J'ai mis l'écriteau sur ton front ;
Et maintenant la foule accourt, et te bafoue.
Toi, tandis qu'au poteau le châtiment te cloue,
Que le carcan te force à lever le menton,
Tandis que, de ta veste arrachant le bouton,
L'histoire à mes côtés met à nu ton épaule,
Tu dis : je ne sens rien ! et tu nous railles, drôle !
Ton rire sur mon nom gaîment vient écumer ;
Mais je tiens le fer rouge et vois ta chair fumer.
tl;dr
Napoleon III is a little bitch.
>>70132300
Nigga, if I claim that I am, say, an anarchist and the first thing I do is create a government, hire some roughnecks and start collecting taxes, guess what, I am not an anarchist.
Oh, and if you read any pre-70s soviet literature, you'd see a lot of pharses like "we are on the road to communism" and "communism is 20/10/5 years ahead, rejoice". It became a discredited joke after Perestroika, because people were fed up with constant promises of impending communist society.
The ones who called USSR communist were USA propagandists, because people suspectible to propaganda are incidentially the dumbest, and can only digest simple statements, like "soviets are commies, USA is capitalist, God bless Murrica".
I guess you will now say that I fell for soviet propaganda, that every soviet politician of any relevance lied and USSR was actually communist... right?
Oh, and please tell me what the second "S" in USSR stands for. Maaaaybe it's "Sommunist"?
>>70132709
learn 2 history bro. texas fought it's war of independence with mexico for the right to own slaves as a means of producing capital. get fucked you nigger loving kike. you're just trying to fuck the economy.
>>70132825
t. slave master
>>70132969
eat shit nigger.
>>70132540
i feel you bro
>>70132540
I'll pay you for all the slaves to be deported.
>>70132596
See>>70125837
After the banning of the international slave trade the price of domestic slaves skyrocketed.
A good slave was more expensive than a nice car would be today.
>>70132907
>Nigga, if I claim that I am, say, an anarchist and the first thing I do is create a government
Then you'd be an anarchist. The fact that your ideology fails has no bearing on your ideology. It just fails. Any attempt at anarchism has, like communism, failed. Anarchism invariably leads to government structures, whether you call it a government or not, because were are social creatures that respond to authority and establish a pecking order.
>Oh, and please tell me what the second "S" in USSR stands for. Maaaaybe it's "Sommunist"?
Socialist. Not sure what point you're trying to make, but I think you're confusing socialism with Marxism again. They're not mutually exclusive terms, you know, even though Marxists traditionally define socialism as Marxism as if they're interchangeable terms.
So I guess you're just retarded.
>>70132825
That's not communism. What I need to function at optimal capacity is for me, what you need to function at optimal capacity is for you, what is left goes to the freezer to be used later.
If there is, for example, some perishible food and you can't store it until tomorrow, you eat what you can, somehow utilize the rest (dump it as fertilizer, dunno) and make less effort at harvesting food next time.
Needless to say (you and swedecuck forced me to spell it out for you 5 times tho), the complexity increases exponentially with every new worker, leading to unmanageable mess when you reach "small village" stage.
Therefore - hivemind, some benevolent godlike AI administration or bust.
>>70133514
>The fact that your ideology fails has no bearing on your ideology.
It didn't fail. I didn't follow it to begin with. I lied about my intentions.
>>70133649
I think what they're trying to say is that if you strive for communism then you are in fact, a communist, whether you fail to achieve your goal (which is a given since as you admit, it's impossible) or not
>>70132429
>In capitalism, you eat what you CAN, not what you WANT.
>>70133514
>Socialist.
BINGO.
So now you are saying that USSR was communist, despite:
1. Every aspect of the country being at odds with tenets of communism.
2. Soviet leadership themselves explicitly denying Soviet Union being communist.
3. Soviet citizens telling you USSR isn't/wasn't communist.
So you basically come up to a white KKK member who's screaming how white he is, slap a "nigger" sticker to him and start loudly yelling that he's a nigger despite everyone telling you he's very much white.
Is this clear enough for you or should I draw an even more blatant parallel?
>>70133928
Soviet leadership (MAYBE, very much MAYBE except earliest revolutionaries like Lenin, Kamenev and Zinoviev) never strived for communism though.
>>70134114
>USSR
>socialism
Oh, here comes another one. Go back and read the posts up there.
I'm facepalming so hard from you.
>>70133756
But Marx himself and basically every commie that came afterhim what wasn't also an anarchist genuinely believed that making a huge state was the best solution. Marx talks about the need for progressive taxation, constantly growing min. wages, abolition of inheritance, etc... all things that make the state more powerful.
It wasn't that the revolutionaries failed in establishing socialism, it was that Marx was wrong, and socialism doesn't lead to communism.
>>70132907
Except that Karl Marx established his form of communism that you like so much as a violent revolution to bring the change about.
First they said that socialism would naturally evolve out of capitalism and it didn't happen. Then Marx theorized to start a class warfare to get things finally going and we saw those revolutions and their outcome. I already put forth my thoughts on why Lenin wanted to introduce the [>>70132139] and it can be seen as an admission that Marx's ideas are no good.
I hope you have read Hegel before Marx as Lenin suggested it. Else you wouldn't understand the part that explains why force is deemed necessary.
I do declare, I'm feeling the vapors
Who else /secesh/ here?
>>70132429
>In capitalism, you eat what you CAN, not what you WANT.
Are you retarded
>>70134512
>need for progressive taxation, constantly growing min. wages, abolition of inheritance
...arises in the transitional stage.
He's talking about the ROAD to communism, not communism itself here.
>>70134490
Keep your cool, bro. I searched for the term communism and bread but the only good pictures were labeled with socialism.
>>70119585
DA DAMN AUSTRIAN KEEPIN THA HUN MAN DOWN
>>70134776
>Be Dixie
>Have niggers for their farms
>What the fuck fucking yanks trying to take our slaves
>Fucking Lincoln wanting to send all the niggers back to Africa,let's get him
>"Lincoln is killed and the niggers stay"
>WTF I HATE NIGGERS NOW
Come on lads
>>70134691
Obviously the elite won't tolerate workers suddenly demanding to be treated as equals, and would never agree to stop being parasites. Hence, the need for a violent revolution.
>>70135016
Hello there, Mr. Microcephaly. You being illiterate is, sadly, your fault. Basing your education on soundbites from TV ads is a bad strategy too.
And yeah, in pure capitalism, without these disgusting leftist things like welfare and pensions, you indeed eat what you can afford. If you can't earn enough money for food, sucks to be you, because noone will give you a helping hand.
>>70135025
I know. And it has been proven multiple times that this doesn't work, as a constantly growing government has never ended up becoming what you describe as communism.
Whether or not that is communism is a matter of semantics, but I don't think you would be so keen on defending the term if you didn't have some sympathies for the ideology.
>>70135029
Found one. Not quite bread, but quite communism. The only communism in existance, in fact. Ever.
>>70135540
>no one will give you a helping hand
That's bullshit. Just because you don't get welfare doesn't mean that you don't have a family, friends, or people willing to help you out just because.
>>70135540
>hurrrr ur dumb xddddd
>>70135205
Lincoln didn't even propose sending those slaves home to anyone. The Republicans secured themselves a huge new voting base with the Freedmen.
The guy was a madman that just wanted to secure his place in the history books by uniting the country. Of course Northern supremacy was to be secured in both cases as the tariffs were the breaking point and not the slaves which also were necessary for the South.
>>70135540
>Hence, the need for a violent revolution.
So Lenin and his friends did implement Marx's ideas of communism?
>>70119585
congratulations to the transvaal becoming independant
>>70135540
What the fug are "TV ads"
WESTWARD EXPANSION, HO!
>>70135540
>If you can't earn enough money for food, sucks to be you, because noone will give you a helping hand.
I knew all those monastery feasts, poor reliefs and charities mentioned in my history books were just a lie.
>>70127949
sorry for shitting up the empire senpai
1848 was a mistake, the jews were behind it
While I was writing by the candle, Jack entered the room and we dis
>>70135702
I have a burning hatred for people using wrong terms for things to push their political agenda and people like you who are helping them, wittingly or not.
I am sick of our TV and politicians using "fascist" and "nazist" as synonims [spoiler]Especially considering USSR under Stalin was very much fascist, with industry and state being one[/spoiler]. I'm sick of people describing USSR as socialist or communist. I'm sick of people saying that freedom and liberty are the same thing.
Fuck double standards, fuck history revisionism, and fuck the people using wrong terminology.
I detest USSR. I hate every power-hungry degenerate motherfucker in history of our country, starting with mongolian horsefuckers and ending with botoxed limpdick Pootin, with burning passion. Ivans, Peters, Nikolays, Vladimirs, Iosifs - all of them.
Western and Eastern rulers, slit-eyes, crackers, niggers, kikes, mudslimes - every rich and powerful person who goes and decides that he wants to reject his potential, reject all that separates a human from an animal - progress, ingenuity, curiosity, and do rails of coke off the underaged prostitute's ass in a backseat of a Maybach instead of helping elevate humanity further, contributing to science, art or engineering, every single one of these cocksuckers
I
HATE
These people disgust me. And the ones that actively sabotage progress to maintain status quo, that strangle liberty in order to secure their ability to be a degenerate animal? These people are, in my opinion, equivalent to smallpox.
>>70136013
>>70135205
basically this
>yanks
>not sucking negro ape cock
wewlad, the shilling is really strong itt
>>70135868
In a truly capitalist society, family means nothing. Hell, you mother will prolly sue you for the pain she endured during childbirth.
Family is, like I previously said, a rather communist social cell.
>>70119585
I love importing all of these slaves to fuck my wife and her daughter. I can't wait to go to war and defend my right to a bull and my wife and her daughters right to imported black dick.
>>70119585
We gotta do something about all these Irish coming over here and taking our jobs, this is our country damn it and if Scott gets into office it'll just get worse, that's it, I'm voting for Pierce!
>>70119585
I am a southern belle white woman that can't get enough of getting fucked by daddies slaves, typical of white women at the time.
>>70136008
If you don't contribute anything to the discussion, flinging insults instead, don't expect me to respect you or reply with a constructive argument to your statement... which you haven't made yet.
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