They had a larger army than all European countries for a very long time
They mostly conquered sand and austro-hungary which has been a military failure since forever
>>70112270
because turks are just like fucking roaches. They horde together and tunneled underneath European fortifications to blow it up. Apart from that and their superior artillery, they had whites in their armies The only way they got as far as they did fighting whites is because they used other whites. The janisarries were unstoppable
>>70112270
janissaries
>>70112270
>Large army
>hit and run tactics
>gunpowder
>muh' cannons
>occupy trade routs
not that hard senpai.
In wars against Poland. The Janissary wrecked shit.
but they were Christian raised from birth to serve the Sultan. So go figure.
>>70112492
Using whites to kill other whites? DAMN the cuckness began earlier that I thought
>>70112456
>austro hungary
yeah, nah, they conquered Hungary, and attacked Austria while the empire was engaged in the 30years war
and who was the Ottomans main ally? France.
then the Empire drove them back deep into the balkans.
>>70112270
>The Muslim equivalent of Muslim Niggers who did hit and runs
>Took advantage of political disunity in Europe and civil strife
>Flooded neighbouring states with hoards of Turkfilth
>Allied with France and co-ordinated their shit with the Berbers before having their shit pushed in by the Hapsburgs and the Commonwealth
>only kept alive by the British because they didn't want Russians to threaten their trade in the Far East
Literally cockroach tactics
>>70112671
What made these janissaries so strong, nigga?
>>70113029
>Literally cockroach tactics
LOL
>>70112270
Cannons when practically no one of her immediate neighbours used them en masse. Or at all.
For instance, Mamluks fell in record time due to internal dissent and the view that using artillery and cannons is unchivalrous and thus un-islamic. Idiots were the victims of their own stupidity.
>>70112356
C'mon, the number of soldiers is all that matters when it comes to war?
>>70112270
Bump
>>70112270
Bump
Serbs helped them out
>>70112983
Why the fuck would France help the roaches?
>>70114426
To fuck the Austrians.
>>70114510
Aren't you Belgians French in denial?
Very simply they were militarily pretty competent and the Europeans were busy doing other shit. It's no coincidence that as soon as Austria were BTFO by Prussia in central Europe they shifted their focus and powerbased east and Ottoman power started waning
>>70112983
>France allying with muslims
typical, once a cuck always a cuck i guess.
>>70112270
Weak neighbours.
Strong centralised government that placed all resources in the Sultan's hands.
Disciplined and loyal Janissary army.
>>70114711
Partly, on the northern side there are the Flemish people, who are Dutch, south side Walloons who are French, there is also a small German minority there.
>>70114941
They even took Budapest
What went wrong, Hungary?
>>70114776
DAMN
>>70114776
Thanks poland.
Not only for that awesome Sobieski vodka,but for Jan III Sobieski, the savior of Christendom.
Also, is sobieski popular in poland? It's not very big here in burgerland.
>>70115209
>Christendom
>>70115106
Whatever it was, it is going go right again.
>>70112270
Bump
>>70114776
Well, I'm pretty sure that in an alternative universe where the Reconquista of Spain never happened, the Austrians would have allied with the Muslims over there against France.
It's a valid strategy since it's very hard to fight on 2 fronts.
It's definitely a shitty move to let the Turks get a foothold in Europe, but France was attacked by the Spanish Empire and the HRE, there is no fairness in war.
>>70115478
If I was a fuckin catholic, I'd honestly consider leaving the church............the pope is a fucking religious sell out
>>70115787
You can be a Catholic and not follow the pope, I know it is probably hard for you to get your head around that fact.
>>70114711
We were part of Austria/Spain...
>>70113158
Ask the Russians in ww2.
![cache_24148402[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SiggvqJ.jpg "cache_24148402[1].jpg")
>>70114776
look who is talking
pic related, Michal Czajkowski Pasha
blood tax and traitors
>>70112270
Because Euros were too busy killing eachother to stop them. The few times they pulled their heads out of their asses and started to fight back (Lepanto, Vienna, etc.) the Ottomans got their shit wrecked.
>>70115787
Already did
>>70116103
DAMN
>>70116000
The day I'm fucking lectured about anything in Christianity by some fucking Fellawaffle
>>70113029
These are the correct reasons. Any fags who say shit along the lines of "the Ottomans BTFO all of Europe hurr" are kidding themselves.
Turkshits and their supporters obviously don't realise that at the time it wasn't Europe vs Turkroaches, but more like an individual empire/state vs the entire united sandnigger empire as seen in OP's pic. Moreover, that individual European state had to deal with dozens of other European states invading them, threatening them, or even allied against them with the Turks. So it's pretty easy to see how the Turkniggers had momentary success.
Yet, we've seen that when even just TWO European powers united, as in 1683 with the Poles and the Austrians, the Ottomans got completely fucked up. Imagine what it would have been like if all of Europe united.
They had a bigger army and their crowning victory was fighting a bunch of naked savages in the woods.
No wait, that was Charlemagne.
>>70113042
they wuz white n shit
>>70112270
Bump
>>70112270
Tecnology,
>>70112270
My country was divided into regions and Ottomans and Persians were trying to conquer us at the same time, but we still won ton of battles and then Russia annexed us. I don't understand how did Balkans got cucked by them so much.
>>70113158
It is when they have centuries of mostly conquering other Muslims while using guns. Their largest rivals in Europe, Poland and Austria weren't exactly up to much either.
>>70117337
It's probably because most Balkan people have tiny heads which naturally leads to tiny brains.
Seriously though, why are Balkan heads so small? Microcephaly?
>>70116594
You're literally saying that ottomans were superior than euros.
They need two european empires to stop the expansion of only one muslim empire.
Also, the ottomans had problems with the persians and other muslims in east
>>70117559
FAS
>>70117559
Post example of how their head looks like.
>large and relatively advanced army for their time
>conquered mainly weak north African states and fragmented Balkan states
>experienced massive decline when they realized their army wasn't modernized and that basically sealed their fate for their last 100 years existence
If the Ottomans had of stayed neutral, or even became an ally in WW1, they would still have been destroyed internally by WW2.
>>70117559
>Seriously though, why are Balkan heads so small? Microcephaly?
Never noted it.
But if sandniggers also have tiny heads, it explain everything, since most balkan peoples are closer to sand people than with other europeans
>>70117872
>They need two european empires to stop the expansion of only one muslim empire.
>Polish Empire
>>70118025
The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was basically a empire. They were powerfull back in the days
>>70118115
>dismantled by sweden
>powerful
They had a large, well trained army against a bunch of inbred retards who had civil wars every other weekend.
>>70118016
nigger please
>>70112270
Bump
>>70112270
Look at who they fought when the won and then look at who they fought when they lost, the answer is obvious.
>>70112270
The Ottomans were at least an established empire. I think the initial spread of Islam with Mohammed and Khalid etc. Was way more impressive seeing as their initial enemies were made up of large empires.
>>70113158
>C'mon, the number of soldiers is all that matters when it comes to war?
You can't occupy conquered cities and then go onto take more if you don't have a large number of people.
>>70118934
yeah, dying decadent shit empires, real impressive.
>>70118191
What the fuck you have against Sweden lol
>>70119048
What about the Mongol Empire, nigga
>>70114776
Wasn't there a roman emperor or something like that whos parents were from Syria and North Africa but raised in France too? France really is the historical hub of cuckoldry.
>>70119058
Neither of them were, though you could argue that their military forces were exhausted from wars between eachother, but nontheless they outnumbered the Arabs in the majority of the battles.
>>70118191
>>70118206
>>70119058
Tulips on a spree
>>70116000
>claim to be catholic
>doesn't know what the pope is doing in those images
neck yourself
>>70119060
nothing, just that it had like 1/10 the population of the PLC yet they managed to ravage it even more than the soviets and nazis managed to do, hence my argument is that the PLC wasn't that powerful. This mainly has to do with the way the PLC was governed was retarded.
>>70118934
It was impressive, but you've also got to take into consideration that the ERE had absolutely no knowledge or experience fighting those Arabs. There was no reason to see them as a threat until all of a sudden there's a massive unified army of them sweeping across Arabia using completely different tactics.
for the same reason why the huns had success, their entire culture and way of life revolves around waging war and taxing other people.
>>70119566
Turks are Huns
>>70119673
Da fuck?
>>70115503
the faces of the muslim invaders is too cute
>>70119712
He is talkin' shit but this is the /pol so you should not be surprised.
>>70119712
Turks are literally Mongols
>>70112270
They prayed to the right god.
>>70119712
essentially the same type of altaic/turkic people who had migrated either north of the caspian sea into europe that way or the route modern turks largely took which was by way of conquest through persia into anatolia.
>>70112270
Got organized while Europe had a fetish for breaking up territories instead of building cohesive empires. Sassnads and Buttzantines also were weakened during Islam's outset.
>>70119849
Nah, dude. They even fought each other, Turks had a rough time during the Mongol Empire time
>>70117559
What? Dinaric population is representative of Balkans and we are noted for having big skulls.
Fuck your pseudo-scientific racial bullshit.
>>70120218
Tons of Mongols fought each other. They're literally steppe niggers that invaded the original inhabitants of Anatolia
>>70120581
And who were the original inhabitants of Anatolia then, nigga?
>>70119849
Check them.
Middle East section - Turks
Central / South / East Asia - Mongols
The overlaps under the frog's ass.
>>70112671
Those slaves are one of the main reasons why the Empire Fell behind in the first place alongside Nationalism and The New European Trade Routes which ruined them economicly
By 1620 the Janissaries became more of a threat to the empire than Europeans or Persians
>>70112270
First to make practical use of guns.
>>70118934
The only impressive empires they defeated were the Byzantines and the Persians, which were already half dead from beating the shit out of each other.
The Byzantines were able to hold out for a 800 years too, even with retarded emperors and civil wars.
>>70117337
>I don't understand how did Balkans got cucked by them so much
This nigga has a point, Balkans sure got cucked by the roaches
>>70112270
Bump
>>70112983
this. France always does that.
And even today Turks are butthurt that they couldn't take Vienna.
>>70121328
>Byzantines and the Persians, which were already half dead from beating the shit out of each other
Not quite, that was the Arabs that did the latter. The Ottomans took over a shadow of the Byzantines and clashed with the resurgent Persians but never managed to fully conquer them.
>>70112356
no they didn't, ottomans weren't more numerous than the europeans during any period
this is a misconception because european accounts love to over-exaggerate the turkish numbers during this period
for example we know that during the siege of constantinople the turkish force was 50-60k strong, according to one european account turkish force was 300k strong
>>70112270
byzantine/roman military tradition mixed in with turkic traditions
i have been reading on the ottoman military lately, on their formations, tactics and daily life
it seems that ottomans were mimicking romans quite a lot, which might have lead to a disciplined ottoman force vs undisciplined germanic/slavic opponents
janissaries are also part of the reason, but they weren't as numerous as people think they were
also they were basically the best elite troop in europe during the 1400s era
a misconception is that janissaries were slaves. they were kul, which is basically subjects to the sultan but they kept contact with their old families, had their own possessions and were free other than their daily training
they were of the bektashi order, and lived their lives kinda like warrior-monks until they retired, at which point they were basically looked after even if they did not work by the state
ottomans failed quite hard in science and reformation though, that alongside with other problems like corruption and stagnation brought about their downfall
also the great war was devastating, from which they never recovered
>>70121087
they were successful before they had guns
>>70113042
They were expected to stay celibate. Taught under strict disciplines, almost like monastic conditions.
>>70119048
a lot of their land was actually vassals and local garrisons with small turkish contingents as leaders
they had a provincial system and a decentralized control until later periods
>>70121755
Ah, right. Forgot we were talking about the Turks. I was thinking of Islamic Powers in general.
>>70117962
>We could have had a Hans of Arabia
>>70112270
Ottomans were better organized and at the beginning had better technology and equipments To tell few, 15-16th century best cannons belonged to the Ottomans, and they even used bones for arrows which increased their range considerably. And jannisarrias were trained professional soldiers. European peasants were no match to them.
>>70118304
I didnt lie.
Go make some research
>>70122205
they were actually following behind the europeans on military technology. they hired people from europe to get them information, they also bought quite a lot of their armament from europe
>>70120830
Anatolians, a indo-european people.
>>70121845
What do you think about the rape of Balkan girls committed by the Ottomans?
>>70112270
Conquering heaps of desert and bunch of fallen states.
>we conquered the Romans.
The only real challenge for the Ottomans was Austria and we know what happened there. Same with Iran disastrous wars and leadership.
>>70122785
Are you a cuck? Because you sound like one.
>>70112270
Never.
Ottomans were puppets for Britan from 17 to 19 century.
>>70122922
It is a historical event
>>70123203
*fact*
they were raped for generations, not a single event.
>>70122205
>That feel when you will never party like it was year 1683
>>70116594
>Yet, we've seen that when even just TWO European powers united, as in 1683 with the Poles and the Austrians
There was a coalition of Germanic States led by Prussia there, too.
>>70112983
the true rotweißrot pill here
frogs are cancer, they did muh trianon too, frenchies are the real eternal anglos
Because they were capable, simple as that.
Don't be so stupid as to underestimate the Turks, the only one who suffers for such faults is you.
>>70112270
Bump
France fucked up the Holy Roman Empire, the Spanish Empire and Austria by allying with the Germanic Protestant princes (despite being a Catholic country),other Protestant countries and the Ottomans. They gained a lot from that war.
>>70112270
Bump
The roaches had success with small Balkan states. As soon as major powers got involved they got destroyed and made irrelevant ever since. They also used whites (who were by far the strongest group fighting on the roach side). The roaches themselves needed literally millions of soldiers to conquer Balkan states that were at the time were mostly sparsely populated and severely outnumbered.
>>70124591
THE ETERNAL FRENCH
>>70112270
Bump
>>70123481
they still have the upperhand though
>>70123612
we lost it because of that fucking incompetent grand vizier
>>70125699
C'mon, do you wanted austrian girls raped?
>>70126355
>austrian grils
nah i prefer bohemian and bavarian grills desu
>>70125699
Except they don't.
Read the intercepted radio transmission news about Azerbaijan and actually see how many people are injured/dead. They've lost more tanks as well.
>>70126469
Being an Ottoman warrior and going for the bohemian and bavarian girls, what a life eh turkroach bro?
>>70116594
>momentary success.
>For almost 700 years.
>>70116594
>Turkshits
DAMN
>>70112270
Early adoption and employment of firearms, high quality upper echelon troops (Janissaries, Sipahis, etc.), and large numbers of men. To top it off, they had a different system for raising regiments in which regiments were not raised privately, but were raised by the government itself. This resulted in standardized units, and reasonable quality.
tl;dr they had better tech for a while, large numbers, and for a while high quality.
>>70127882
/thread
to add - there were privately raised regiments, cavalries called Sipahi.
>>70112270
Bump
>>70112721
/thread
Ottomans had a large, well equipped, well trained army. Turks are shit fighters but janissaries usually weren't Turks and had super morale and the best equipment the empire could give them. Plus Turks were the first to really make use of cannons in a significant way.
>>70113042
To piss Austrians off
>>70114776
>a pole calling me a cuck
>>70114776
We needed a powerful ally.
Was Poland still a thing, back then ? Or was it already Russia's bitch ?
>>70112270
They kind of weren't, to be honest.
1. They conquered a lot of Muslim countries, which are generally crap at fighting anyway. They were successful at it because they were a militaristic and organized culture, compared to Arabs and their "ALLAH ACKBARRRRRRRRRR" nonsense that has never changed. To put it in perspective, imagine China adopting Christianity and then conquering the world in the name of Jesus. It would make Europeans look like total cucks. The Turks did the same thing to the Arabs.
2. It took them... how many hundreds of years to get that far into Europe? And they didn't really get THAT far.
3. Europe was politically fragmented, but any time they weren't, they beat the piss out of the Ottoman armies. Usually while horrifically outnumbered.
4. Ottomans only lasted as long as they did because they became the total bitches of the European empires in the late 1700s/early 1800s. The Russians could have conquered them more than once. There's so much retarded fuckery in history involving Euros using the Ottomans as poker chips in global turf wars that its just plain infuriating to read.
5. Ottomans kept getting fucked up by Zaporozhye Cossacks, which were niggers on horses for all intents and purposes.
>>70129214
>Turks are shit fighters
>get slaughtered by panic of soldiers who heard about sipahis(turk only cavalry) coming.
i will post pic when find it
>>70129402
Sounds about right, Jafaar.
>>70129640
They will, in our time. Russia will invade Turkey and kill 1/3 of its population in the process.
>>70129773
Post pics of Ottomans raping Balkan girls and cucking the Balkan boy
>>70129640
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4qpT_ow3sc
>>70129913
Auguste*, Bernie.
>>70121394
they invade us in the right moment (bulgaria was divided to 3 bulgar kings and byzantine and latin empire was weak at that moment)
>>70112270
ITT we thank based Sobieski for saving Europe.
A>t around 6:00 pm the Polish king ordered the cavalry attack in four groups, three Polish and one from the Holy Roman Empire. >Eighteen thousand horsemen charged down the hills, one of the largest cavalry charges in history after some ancient charges.>[23]:152 Jan III Sobieski led the charge[16]:661 at the head of 3,000 Polish heavy lancers, the famed "Winged Hussars". >The Lipka Tatars who fought on the Polish side wore a sprig of straw in their helmets to distinguish themselves from the Tatars fighting on the Ottoman side. >The charge easily broke the lines of the Ottomans, who were exhausted and demoralized and soon started to flee the battlefield. >The cavalry headed straight for the Ottoman camps and Kara Mustafa's headquarters, while the remaining Viennese garrison sallied out of its defenses to join in the assault.[16]:661
Its where the Rohan saves Minas Tirith theme comes from.
Aparently you could feel/hear the charge from 5 miles away.
>>70130197
Would you even WANT Constantinople at this point? I get the historical reasons, but the place has been an outhouse for just hundreds of years at this point. You would have to bulldoze so much shit.
>>70130430
Don't forget the part where the Ottomans executed 30,000 men women and children out of pure butthurt over losing that battle.
Yet it's "racist" to depict them as the bad guys in our shitty Hollywood movies.
>>70130566
just remove kebab , Constantinople deserve to be free
>>70130287
DAMN bro
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hodów
:-D
>>70130566
still
>former capital of the eastern roman empire for a millennium
>>70129640
>4. Ottomans only lasted as long as they did because they became the total bitches of the European empires in the late 1700s/early 1800s. The Russians could have conquered them more than once. There's so much retarded fuckery in history involving Euros using the Ottomans as poker chips in global turf wars that its just plain infuriating to read.
>tfw Russia didn't genocide Turkey out of existence back in the day
History is full of injustices
>>70131116
you are obvious into cuck porn ,aren't you ?
>>70130566
The entire metropolitan area will be raised to the ground.Turks will evacuate in the mean time the populace to the Asian part and a terrible cholera outbreak will happen.
Note that it's not something we're happy about.We know it will happen and must warn others of it.Also bear in mind that Russian artillery tactics are based on the use of excessive and unneeded force.
Why will Constantinople then be given to Greeks? European nations wil face Russian forces in Constantinople and the straights in a fierce battle.Russia will prevail but in the fear of extensive nuclear exchange ( tactical nukes will be used) will find this as a middle solution.
>>70112270
Bump
