How to destroy ukraine?
>>70106312
Let Russia take over
>>70106312
I'm okay with this map.
Finally Poland and Hungary will have a common border again.
>>70106312
Wait a while
>>70106387
Lengyel, magyar – két jó barát, együtt harcol, s issza borát
or
>>70106312
>Not giving us Southern Odessa
>giving it to Russia
For what reason.
>>70106613
>Odessa
>not israeli
>>70106613
Cernauti back in Romanian hands. Perfect
>>70106387
for what purpose you want a place poorer than eastern hungary, magyars are a minority and natural resources are nowhere to be found
>>70106946
You have to show some initiative and take it yourselves pham.
Ukraine has trouble finding its national identity, in part because of the divide between ethnic ukrainian ukrainians and ethnic russian ukrainians.
The best way to strengthen ukraine would be to give more autonomy to the russian speaking parts, so that the country is less politically devided.
So, naturally, the best way to destroy it would be to integrate the russian parts so that they create total gridlock within the ukraine government
>>70106312
All of Ukraine goes to Russia. All of Poland also goes to Russia and Germany. I think that's pretty fair
Force it to take in millions of migrant niggers who are given welfare at the expense of hardworking citizens.
>>70108134
>>natural resources are nowhere to be found
>trying to use common sense on /pol when someone shillin' with annex
bumpy road
>>70108221
>with this cuck government
But yes, the tanks shall roll in soon enough. I don't even think it'd be that hard to hold our land even now, the only issue would be the west and the EU throwing a fit over it and sanctioning us to hell and back. Which would probably kill us economically.
Intermarum should come first.
>>70108342
>ethnic ukranians
no such thing its either temporarily confused Russians and Poles
>>70108342
No such thing as ethnic Ukrainian. There are mostly Russians, then some Polacks, and then a small amount of Hungarians and Romanians. The very concept of Ukrainians was only created by the Jew Lenin less than a hundred years ago. All eastern Slavs are ethnically Rus. There should exist no such thing as the Ukraine and "Ukrainians" did not exist from the start
>>70108411
how the fuck did you post with my ID, when you're not me???
>>70108631
Are you drunk mate?
>>70108628
The concept of ukrainians was created by poles..
>>70108531
What makes you say that? They meet all the criteria of being a destinct ethnic group. I'm not particularly familiar with the history of the region, but even if they are a young or even new ethnic group, it really makes no difference. And not acknowledging them as such really only serves to create problems
Turkish Republic of Crimea
Krım Türk Cumhuriyeti
Capital: Sibastabul
Religion: Islam
Official Languages: Turkish, Crimean Tatar,
Regional Languages: Ukrainian, Russian
>>70106312
we must ayy their lmao
>>70106312
ukraine is aight like it is
no need to change it
>>70106312
Like this
>>70106613
Lwów should be returned to its rightful owner, Litwa and Grodno.
>>70108411
When do you finally get new assault rifles, theyre pretty ancient now.
>>70106312
Piss this son of a bitch off
>>70110635
PA Md. 1986 may be old, but it works and we can make them. The only way to get better rifles would be to develop them ourselves (other than buying, against which I am), and I don't see the current government doing that. Should happen somewhere in the future though.
>>70106416
This
Considering their retarded stance in global politics, they will ruin their country themselves. Poland do not like ocuppying other countries teritorries, but on the other hand Lwów, Grodno, Wilno - all Polish clay. We would have to intervene to protect Polish people living there.
>>70112216
Didn't the soviets kick out all the poles?
>>70112541
Many of them, yes, maybe most, but definitely not all. Also, we could just take our guys from Siberia and place them in new clay, if you allow that.
>>70110707
Of course Putin is a powerful man, but who is the real force that controls Russia? I can't imagine he is the mastermind. Merely a puppet like Barrack Obama or Angela Merkel for instance.
>>70106312
Make it independent and let ukrainians run it. The depopulation caused by Ukrainian rule sine 1990 is bigger than what Hitler and Stain did put together, look it up.
>>70106613
Moldovan clay being returned... beautiful.
P.S. Fuck Romania
>>70112928
>America in charge of eastern european borders
Stalin tier.
>>70108134
Yeah, but the majority are ruthenians, so it's ok.
>>70106451
Polak Węgier dwa bratanki i do szabli i do szklanki ;_;
>>70106312
whats the beef between poles and hohols?
>>70114300
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia
I have no idea.
>>70106312
Ukrainians - ethnic russians. Actually whole of Ukraine is historically Russian land (except Lwow, which was founded by russian king, but most of the time there lived Poles, and the Poles built it and Tarnopol and Stanislawow).
>>70114300
Absolutely no clue, massacres are absolutely not a reason, nor are deportations, cultural appropriation of historical landmarks and destruction of local culture with settling of ukrainians.
Totally no reason at all. Romanian hatred is also irrational. Hohols did nothing wrong.
All of ur lands belonged to us at some point.
>>70112216
There are next to no poles living there anymore.
Anyone who survived Banderists chimping out was resettled to former German clay
>>70108879
Remove yourself roach
>>70114300
Poles are untermenschen.
We Ukranians were chosen by Hitler themself to remove asian mongol russikies and left overs of prussia t. poleshits.
>>70106946
Implying gypsies can fight.
You were running from soviets scum that badly you just left all positions and ammo to subhuman ruskies.
Stfu romashit before we end you.
>>70106312
Poland dreams. Ukraine will be Russian totally.
>>70118059
kek
>>70118059
>Ukraine will be Russian totally.
Dream on pidorahen, Crimea is ukraine.
>>70118366
What you doing here under Russian flag, cockhole?
FFS i am from Crimea why do i have Russhit flag over me.
WTF
>>70118444
Putin huilo pidorahen. +15
>>70118340
Poland never changes. Only imperial dreams and nothing more.
>>70118506
nice
Russia will break ukrainian Fascism and retake it to the Motherland
>>70106312
Germany would never allow Ukraine to be destroyed.
>>70108628
Ukrainian is an ethnicity, Russian is a collection of slavic races.
>>70118665
>>70118059
>>70117639
>>70108134
t. Dunántúli MSZP nyugger
>>70114397
>>70114583
alright that explains it
>>70119475
Just got back from Poland today. Fucking favourite European country and coming back next year to Krakow. Your women are beautiful.
I also visited Berlin a couple days before entering Krakow. It was a 90% Turks where I was, no exaggeration.
>>70106613
UN zone should have more sea, ie. Russia should be smaller.
>>70108364
Got nothing to do while your mother gets pounded by Jamal?
>>70117768
Stop pissing in the elevator
>>70119246
Russian is the ethnicity. Ukrainians it is a geographic name. Russian is a nation that has a particular history and a particular origin.
Slavic tribes, who were under power of the Vikings, whose selfname was "Rus" eventually called themselves "russkije ludi" - "Russian people". It was in the 9-10 centuries.
Ukrainians - a territorial title.
As an example, Silesians.
>>70106312
signed
Ukraine is a shitty, artificial country anyway
>>70119246
Ukraine means borderlands. It's geographical. Ukraine as an ethnicity doesn't exist.
Why are we so hated ?
>>70122471
he major haplogroup in the Ukrainian gene pool, haplogroup R1a1 (earlier designated HG3), accounted for about 44% of all Y The second major haplogroup is haplogroup F (21.3%),. Haplogroup P found with the frequency of 9.6%, Haplogroups J and E (11.7 and 4.2%, respectively presence of the N3 lineage (9.6%)
R1a and its offshoots are very common among Russian men. Studies have found the ethnic Russian frequency of R1a ranges from a low of 19.8 percent to as high as 62.7 percent, average of 46.7% of Russian men carrying R1a. Northern Russian men carry R1a at a lower frequency (33.4%) than other Russian men (49%).
Among Russian men, the Y-DNA haplogroup R1b ranges in frequency from 0 to 14 percent, and is found on average among 5.8%. The "Russia-Slavic DNA Project" includes men who have the sub-types R1b1a2 and R1b1a2a1a1b.
The Y-DNA haplogroup I is found between zero and 26.8 percent among Russian men. Their average frequency is 17.6% when all regions of Russia are taken into account, but a little higher (23.5%) when the scope is limited to central and southern Russia. Some members of the "Russia-Slavic DNA Project" carry the sub-types I2a and I2a2.
The Y-DNA haplogroup N is also common among Russian men, at frequencies between 5.4 percent and 53.7 percent. Their average frequency is 21.6% when all regions of Russia are taken into account, but only 10% when the scope is limited to central and southern Russia. N haplogroups are often signals of Finnic ancestry
Some Russians carry U4 mtDNA haplogroups; these are common among northwestern and central Siberian peoples,
Not the same, Russia is a false """"nation"""".
>>70122694
You aren't, I love Ukraine.
>>70122694
Khuy ikh znaet.
>Grows up in the Soviet Union
>See first hand how shit Russians actually are
>Gain independence
>Fast forward a few years
>Hear Western Europeans constantly talk about how great Russia and Putin are
This is why i only have respect for the native English speaking countries, the rest of of Western Europe are a bunch slack jawed faggots bending over to Putin and mudslimes
>>70123087
Putin is no Gorbachev.
>>70106312
You wait until they are second Moldova and then retake rightful lands of our fathers west to the Doniec.
>>70123035
Russia is the same thing as America. A multi-ethnic empire with slavs at the core. America used to have WASPs at the core only their relevance is now very small comparatively.
>>70123468
It doesn't exist then, it is simply an administrative sector, it has no one that "belongs" in there other than someone that chooses for personal interest.
>>70123468
Russia is the same thing as the UN and Ukraine is as much "Russian" as you are UNian.
>>70123542
In Russia, share of russians more than 80%.
'Russians' don't exist anymore than 'Americans' exist.
>>70123616
Russians don't exist, each region is racially different than the next.
>>70122694
>>70123068
I had a Ukranian friend back in grade school who was pretty cool
European immigrants are good in my book
>>70122694
because Vohlyn '43
>>70123754
>>70123680
In Russia, in every region, people look the same (and I was in the Far North and the South, and in Siberia and the Urals, appearance, basically, dont differ).
This is firstly.
Secondly, ethnic identity is a characteristic of the individual, rather than genetic. It is the existence of common historical and cultural ties, the association with the history, culture, heritage and society.
In this case, Americans its part of English people.
>>70124685
Americans are part of the English nation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_Englishmen
Also, if Poland is still butthurt about Volhynia and Eastern Galicia massacre, just a reminder that you
have slavery shit to us in 16 century.
So, we kinda are quits, huh ?
>>70124685
What you identify as doesn't matter, only what you are.
>>70124936
There was no ukrainian nation in 16 century you mong, learn some true history, not the WE WUZ KOSSACKS bullshit they try to sell you.
>>70125182
They are cossacks.
>>70124914
That's what I said about it. And the Ukrainians - Russians.
The Austrians - Germans. Bosnians and Montenegrins - Serbs.
The point is not in appearance, but in society. The history and culture. The fact that the Ukrainians associate themselves with Russian history and Russian kings and ancestors, then, that the Ukrainians have historically been part of russian people. And historically considered themselves so.
>>70125358
Cossacks is only social class. Most of local russians was usually peasants. The Cossacks were not only Dnieper but also Don, Tarek and Yaik.
>>70125358
Cossacks may be some cultural heritage to them but at that time they certainly were not ukrainian. An assorted rabble of bandits and rebels does not make a nation. And even if they did then they weren't slaves of the Polish Crown so his argument fails on several fronts.
>>70124959
That who I am is what I identify myself. It's part of my personality.
>>70126473
take your mongolo-tatarian cucksucker, and gtfo, ssaniy vatnik
>>70106312
>ukraine
no such thing
>>70127010
A wot i natsmeny podjekhali.
Lold
>>70127193
SEMI-COMMON
Ukraine is alright they dont need to be broken apart.
>>70126473
Is this a boyar of the Kievan Rus? Enlighten me, please.
>>70127692
I absolutely agree with you, we can't allow that Ukraine was separated into pieces.
It must be Russian whole.
>>70127944
He is a russian king.
Alexander Newsky. King of Wladimir-Suzdal, Kiev and Nowgorod.
>>70128209
Ah, that guy. I remember his name. Didn't he fight against the Teutonic Order?
>>70128364
Yes
>>70128364
Yep, he did.
>>70127193
>A MOUNTAIN NIGGER
>>70127010
founders of Kievan Rus' - Ruriks , Princes of !Novgorod! which conquered the Khazarian outpost and founded in its place a new capital
after mongol invasion 90% of russians moved to the North(Moscow and Novgorod). Historical fact.
Rulers of Moscovy - the family of Rurik(Rurikovichy) which unite Novgorod and Moscow lands and form Tsardom of Rus, which then became an Russian Empire
ukraine = okraina , border zone between Poland and Russia. The territory inhabited by runaway holops(runaway slaves), thieves and deserters from Poland and Russia.
the first mention about the "Ukrainians" 19 century. Prussian and Austrian creation meant to undermine both Poland and Russia.
so, finally, to consider ukrainians as a nation and especially to consider them like heirs of Kievan Rus it's the same thing as consider Turks as descendants of the ancient Greeks because of Constantinople.
only facts , without impurities
Russia. Have. Only. Right.
>>70125182
Actually, Ukrainians (formerly known as Kievan Rus') were BEFORE even Russia (formerly known as Moscovia) came to existance after lifting themselves out of Mongol-Tatar yoke.
And your claims to Volhynia and Podole are bullshit because these lands were owned by Lithuanian Grand Duke and were given to Polish Crown as a concession for Lublin Treaty (to form Polish-Lithuanian) Commonwealth.
I wonder why Poles are such chauvinistic assholes who ignore historical context and see every country around them as "rightful clay" having no rights to it?
>>70128985
>WE WUZ RURIK VIKANGZ AND SHIEET
>>70129107
free history lesson
you're welcome
>>70128985
>>70129334
>we wuz polish vassal and shieet
>>70129107
>muh kievian rus fanfiction
We're gonna need a bigger trash
Also poles don't give a fuck about your silly country, you can stop sperging out
>>70128985
This everyone knows. Why repeat it again?
Everyone knows that Kievan Rus is the only name of the period of Russian history.
The fact that the Ukrainians want to believe that the Kiev Russia is Ukraine (despite the fact that initially Russia was only in Novgorod and Ladoga) will not change historical facts.
They say so because they are still russians and consider russian culture and history of their own, but for political reasons dont want to be a part of modern Russia (largely due to the fact that now and in the Soviet Union propaganda says that Russian and Ukrainians different nations ).
>>70129334
when will this stupid lithuanian meme end? we dont care about u, after next world war u will finally be Russia, again, thank god for that
>>70129107
>I wonder why Poles are such chauvinistic assholes who ignore historical context and see every country around them as "rightful clay" having no rights to it
m8, you're probably talking about hungarians
>>70129352
Cheeki Moscovite bastard stole Rus' name, claimed itself to be 3rd Rome (LOL), steal Rurikid viking heritage.
I wonder who were Moscovia before 14th century? Before fall of Kievan Rus' by Mongol Hordes, whatever principalities north belonged to Grand Duke of Kiev, later cucked by Mongols till 14th century.
Russia didn't even exist before Ivan the Terrible who transformed Moscovia principality to Russian Tsardom, 2nd last before Romanovs (who pretended to be viking Rurikids, but genetically Lithuanian Dukes were closer to Rurikids than Romanovs).
Whole Russian history is lie, stealing, pretending extends to this day.
tbqh, lying in Russia is so common that you cannot even recognise because you lie every day.
>>70129916
>t. butthurt Pole living in Sweden on benefits.
God you're more pathetic than those Somali leeches.
>>70130088
Same applies to Poles too, I guess.
Somehow they have to have somekind of coping mechanism for their failed political and military moves in the past.
Dirty bozgors and psheks.
>>70130243
Butthurt stories: Deluxe Edition
>>70129107
Kievan Rus its only name of period of Russian history.
Russia was founded in Novgorod by Rurik.
Kiev was the second capital beacuse it had convenient geographical location.
Russia in the 10th century was called the Russia (in Latin), and people called themselves also "russians".
It's a fact.
Self-Russian identidy mean the people ofRus'.
In the 12th century a single state became to a number of independent principalities, which rulers were Rurikids.
Wladimir-Suzdal (later Moscow) princ. was one of them.
Gradually it united other again.
But part of the principalities ceased to exist, and their lands became part of Poland and Lithuania.
Russia - is not Moscow principality.
It's like saying that Germany - its Prussia.
Russia - a number of principalities.
And I remind you that kings of Moscow were Rurikid.
Direct descendant of the great Kiev princes and founder of the state - Nowgorod and Ladoga King Rurik.
>>70106312
I think ukraine is doing fine job at destroying itself.
>>70129793
>Moscovia cucked by Mongols till 14th century
>Need somekind of story to justify conquest of Slavic Orthodox lands
>"WE WUZ RURIKID VIKANGZ, 3RD ROME AND KIEVAN RUS"
I swear to God, almost all Russkies will go heaven and hell to cover up their lies and fails.
>>70129398
>WE WUZ 3RD ROME AND SHIET
>>70130243
shut the fuck up, russia is russia.
jews bolshevik controlled u through communism, and the jews control you now with EU. you are so fucking stupid not to realise that.
Russia dont bring niggers to your country but EU does.
Butthurt Belt of Eastern Europe. Russia is cool so fuck u.
>>70130780
Rurik founded Holmgardthr, which later became Novgorod.
>>70130893
Don't bother, bruv. Discussing geopolitics especially if anything is related to history on /pol/ is as smart as meeting someone from /b/ in real life.
/pol/ is a joke board for memes and nothing more, this small factoid was shown very eloquently on the 1st of April where every single other board managed to retain a more or less normal state of topics and /pol was just name gets and nothing more.
Don't argue brother, get comfy.
>>70130893
>lithuania blames someone else in cucked
u what? u suck ballz of all europe last 700 years
fucking usless nation without inventions , without achievments , without everything
best part of your history is literally vassal of Poland
fucking kek
better stfu pathetic peasant , it is funny to read to anyone who knows what is actually your country is
>>70130780
>WE WUZ RUSSIANS + RURIKS
lmao
>>70130243
I remind you that Russia was founded precisely in Novgorod, not in Kiev.
And the king of Moscow was a direct descendant of Rurik.
Vladimir-Suzdal principality, and is part of Russia.
Just over time a single state was divided into principalities, and then merged again.
All principality or re-united or ceased to exist, and their lands became part of Poland-Lithuania.
Modern Russia comes directly from Russia the 9th century.
>>70131009
> t. Mahmud al Cuckali
>>70131307
>>70128985
>>to consider ukrainians as a nation and especially to consider them like heirs of Kievan Rus it's the same thing as consider Turks as descendants of the ancient Greeks because of Constantinople.
green text special edition for blinded because of chemicals for toilet cleaning hohol
>>70131103
Yes, it's so.
I just didn't want explain such details.
>>70130893
But they were conquered by Rurik and ruled by his descendants.
Being destroyed by savages isn't good desu.
Third Rome was titular and Kievan Rus was a state of Eastern slavs, not Ruthenians, Belarussians or Russians.
Besides there are multiple cultures of Russians that could call themselves their own, but all Eastern slavs can be Russian.
>>70130841
>DUDE WEED LMAO
>>70131470
desu Holmgardthr is comfy.
>>70130893
What I said - it is a historical fact. Modern Russia is directly descendants of 10th century Russia.
Look:
Rurik founded Russia in Old Ladoga.
Rurik died, but his son is too small. Oleg become a regent.
Oleg conquered Kiev and moves the capital.
Over time, the house of Rurik becomes too large and every Prince wants more power .
One state is divided into principalities.
Vladimir-Suzdal is one of the largest and richest prnc. and gradually begins to rally the rest of the principality around.
The richest and most influential city of Vladimir-Suzdal principality becomes Moscow.
Gradually Muscovy combines all the rest.
Then the Prince of Moscow takes the title of king.
It's histoical facts, i remind.
>>70131433
>Ivan Moskal, you received over 9000 roubles this week for your amazing work shilling!
>this is you
>>70130780
>Russia was founded in Novgorod by Rurik.
Kiev was the second capital beacuse it had convenient geographical location... and the rest BS.
Bullshit. It was Kievan Rus', and Novgorod was Novgorod principality belonged to Grand Duke of KIEV (capital moved from Novgorod to Kiev, no double capital) until Mongols and Lithuanians keked every Orthodox entity till 14th century.
Then there was growth of Rurikid descendants on Moscovian Principality until 16th century Ivan IV the Terrible proclaimed itself Tsar.
The stupid Cossack rebellion, treaty of Pereyslavl, Russia become empire, cucks the cossacks by moving them from Zaporozhe to Near Caucasus as guard dogs against Chechen mountain bandits.
>>70130717
>Lel butthurt Russian allergic to truth.
>>70131307
How Ukraine belongs to the Kievan Rus?
Kievan Rus was divided into principalities.
These principality then re-united with its capital in Moscow.
And where Ukraine?
Kievan Rus' is only the name of the period. And it's name appeared only in the 19th century.
Kievan Rus' is not the name of the state.
The state called Russia, and people called themselves Russian.
>>70131552
On my pic Aldeigja
>>70131885
>It was Kievan Rus
Only name of period. It was founded in Nowgorod (Holmgard) and Staraya Ladoga (Aldeigja).
The state called Russia, not Kievan Rus'.
Kievan Rus' it's a period.
Like Nowgorod Rus', Wladimir Rus', Moscow Rus'.
>>70131962
This is the original statue of king Rurik, a proud Romanian/Dacian king, who conquered Russia 53 times since 704 BC, you have officially been ripped up and rekt, Anti-Romanian shill.
>>70131885
calm down Żmudźn. Moskal have right this time
>>70132334
>Find that everything that he thought it was nonsense and stereotypes when he read an article on Wikipedia.
>Began to sneer.
Fairly predictable.
>>70132411
Daily reminder we Romanians were a superpower and you weren't
;) rekt
>>70132590
This is you vs the Dacian empire.
>>70132614
>we were superpower, romania strong
>cleans toilet in Britain
:^)
>>70132411
Im nowgorodian, but thanks.
Why slav always into trouble?
>>70131009
>Who were Latvian Riflemen?
tbqh, majority of Communist elements before Stalin purges were of former Russian Empire who released all their butthurt onto mainland Russia for all Tsar wrongdoings of the past (Russkies had it coming). Jews, Poles, Latvians, Lithuanians, Georgians all wanted Russkie bleed.
Then came Stalin (Georgian: Iosif Dzhugashvili) who now removed them because he didn't want to leave any doubts in his rule, put fellow Georgian Beria in charge to root out any dissident elements (most notably, killing almost whole General Staff in 1933 and replacing it with lapdogs, so no wonder they got fucked fighting Finland in 1939).
Stay cucked, Grzegorz.
>>70132700
Why do you compare the historical facts about Russia to anti-scientific heresy about Romania?
Say that Kievan Russia is not the Russia same that assert the Egbert's Kingdom - is not England.
Or are you an immigrant?
>>70132781
This was Warsaw before Dacian constructions and when we lead the Romans.
>>70117639
Ok Bohdan.
>>70133099
"KODDUNUT" is a rather interesting ID.
>>70133099
You've got some giant penis cuck towers, why would an anti-homosexual country have giant Romanian penises built all over it?
Russia without Romania would be USS, so how can you deny all russians are romanian?
>>70106312
close the borders to ukraine
ukrainians are a "slave-people" they cannot function without orders
>>70118059
>Poland dreams. Ukraine will be Russian totally.
So why you just don't take them? Oh, wait. I forgot that your country is shit and economy is collapsing due sanctions and oil price.
>>70133350
What the hell Romania?
>>70118059
>>70133479
Yes, brothers , let's fight even because of pile of shit
>>70133453
This was UK before Romania conquered it under the Roman empire, so you was enslaved by us, so you can't say anyone else is a slave.
>>70131249
Like if Russia is any better...
AIDS, Krokodil, Mass Corruption, Idiot politicians sending men to useless wars, making neighbours into enemies, stealing and falsifying history, Muslim and Illegal churka immigrant cucking 100 times worse than Sweden (but never gets reported as it will ruin Russia's false image as "White Christian's undefeated saviour"), aircraft engineers making less money than our emigrants cleaning toilets in UK or Norway.
You're only relevant because you have nukes and oil and currently getting extremely butthurt about ABM defense and oil price manipulation.
>>70133479
>economy is collapsing due sanctions and oil price.
American fairy tales.
I also think that the whole Ukraine should be Russian, but Lwow, Tarnopol and Stanislawow must be part of Poland as enclaves.
>>70133530
Romania has conquered this thread.
:D ripped up and rekt
>>70133479
go back to africa!
>>70133772
>russia has less money than the country with designated shitting streets
>>70133745
You obviously stupid and use only stereotypes.
We didn't make enemies out of neighbors, and don't send people into senseless wars.
And especially do not deal with the falsification of history.
>>70131471
What I am implying that filthy Moscovians stole Kievan Rus heritage and even name. Rus was name of KIEVAN RUS, not Moscow Rus (which former vassals of Mongol Tatars Moscovians with inferiority complex stole)
>>70133772
probably most of my polish countrymen will call me a traitor, but I would join a federation
>>70134027
This is due to the falling ruble. Our prices are not in dollars but in rubles, while prices grew slightly. The standard of living was quite the same.
>>70134092
>We didn't make enemies out of neighbors, and don't send people into senseless wars.
Only when Romanian/Dacian Scythians/Samartians used to rule the Central Asian steppe.
>>70134251
>The standard of living was quite the same.
You mean while Romania is in the top 10 for HDI (human development of index), russia is still in the same living standard as Uganda.
>>70134027
It has about 1 billion less people too so there's that.
>>70134169
I must say despite policy, in Russia is quite well disposed towards the Poles.
Personally, I really like the Polish culture and history.
Thank you.
>>70134491
Those pictured buildings are actually in Bucharest, Romania, revealed by reverse search.
>>70134410
top kek what are you smoking cygan, Romania isn't even in the top 30
>>70134125
You totally dont understand what you say.
Rus is the name of the Vikings, who founded the country in Slavic lands. King of the Vikings was Rurik. Gradually all the local Slavs began to associate themselves with this country and with these Vikings and start calling themselves Russian (russkije - people of Rus').
Kievan Rus' is only the name of the period.
Initially, Russia was in Novgorod.
Moscow (Vladimir-Suzdal) was part of Kievan Rus, but Vladimir king like other kings, wanted more power and began to rule alone.
Later principalities united again.
All this is part of the Russia. People in all these principalities called themselves Russian.
And each prince was from Rurikids.
The word "Kievan Rus" appeared only in the 19th century. Never before had such a word was not. Read Wikipedia, please.
>>70134993
You are in bottom 2, with Russia, like this of cuck. >>70135131
>>70131752
First of all, in 10th century there was no Russia.
It was Slavic principalities with fancy names, and ruling seat of this collection of principalities called Kievan Rus' (not Novgorod, not Moscow, but KIEV).
Them shit went downhill with Mongols in 12 century. Whole Kievan Rus was cucked from all sides, Lithuanians gradually took control of from Mongol-Tatars territories of modern Ukraine and Belarus, while modern European Russian part remained under Mongol-Tatar yoke till 14th century when Moscow succeded from Mongol-Tatars and imagined itself as "glorious inheritor of Kievan Rus'", gradually expanding and forming itself into Russian Tsardom in 16th century and Russian Empire in 18th.
>>70134125
I'm not talking about the fact that Moscow was founded by Prince of Kiev.
And the first Prince of Muscovy (Daniel of Moscow) was a native son of the Grand Duke of Kiev.
How can you steal a legacy from your father?
>>70132906
Check mate atheists, Zionists have wanted to destroy Russia for 1000 years, still they didnt succeed
>>70132411
Who was Jogaila (aka Jagiello)? :) a žmud king of Polish shlachta? Eh?
>>70134027
>russia has less money than the country with designated shitting streets
India: Soon fucking 2 billion people.
Russia: Less than like 200 million.
Per capita Russias economy is 10 times larger than India
>>70135247
I agree, have a free chicken as of award for good knowledge.
>>70135247
all your stories is literally proof of your historical ignorance
read fucking history books, or atleast wiki
Ukraine is game to you!?
Ukraine strong and white until Stalin engineered a famine then brought in untermensch from the east to break Ukraine's nationalistic pride.
This is the root of today's Ukrainian question!
>>70112734
the turboslav of maximum squatting controls russia
all hail the turboslav
>>70135844
ukraine not even exist before revolution
the traitor Lenin invented it
therefore, it is doubly funny to watch as now the Ukrainians tearing down his monuments
>>70135247
Was. It was a country, that called Russia.
This is recorded in all documents. As Byzantine (where a country called Rossija) and in Western Europe (Russia/Russie/Ruthenia). Kievan Rus it's only a period, not the country's name.
It's just 19th cent. word.
No one documents before 19th c. have not this word, no one document, no one map.
There is only Russia/Rusie/Rosija/Ruthenia
And it was a very specific country with a specific name.
And it was based was in Novgorod. Its a fact.
Read Wikipedia carefully.
Kievan Rus implies only a period.
>>70134092
>Estonia
>Latvia
>Lithuania
>Georgia
>Azerbaijan
>Ukraine
>Poland
>Norway
>Sweden
>Finland
>Russia's friends?
Strage, why countries bordering Russia are the most hostile towards it?
Maybe because you:
1. Invaded them
2. Threaten to steamroll with tanks every second time
3. Threaten to nuke them "preventively"
4. Agitate Russian minorities living there to uprise.
5. Disproportionally put high gas prices and get butthurt when they don't buy them as they import from elsewhere now.
>>70108628
>created by jew lenin
>written about by Shevchenko 70 years prior
Pick one
>>70136398
Sweden, Finland and Norway hate us? LOL what? I think they do not care about any of us.
Latvia - Lithuania - Estonia does not like because of the history and of their own propaganda, which declared that the country was "under Soviet occupation."
Azerbaijan does not like because of the support of Armenia.
Georgia is just as well because of the history.
This is our gas. We set these prices, what we want. It's capitalism, no?
>>70128985
>Ivan Kalita backstabs Novgorod with Mongol help
>Is given title of Prince of Russian lands by mongol khan of the golden horde
backstabbing moscovites, slava rossiyi
>>70137580
Novgorod was founded by Rurik.
Ivan Kalita was a direct descendant of Rurik.
He had that right.
I say as i novgorodian.
>>70137999
Ivan Kalita was a traitor to the core. Shows what you know.
>>70138337
Not at all. On the contrary, he sought to unite Russia again.
