>tfw no candidate running who is exactly like Sanders on all the issues but also wants to deport all the illegals and build a wall
I'm sorry pal, but socialism doesn't work. I know because I live in a socialist country. Many people, especially young people, refuse to work because you can sometimes get more money by being on welfare. And if you do work, government will steal like 50% of your income.
>>70102616
Not sure whether you are being intellectually dishonest or whether you have just been misinformed by /pol/ but despite what /pol/ says and despite that Sanders says he wants the US to become more like the Scandinavian countries he has not called for massive tax increases on the middle class like they have there compared to here.
If his overhaul of healthcare works then the slightly higher taxes people would pay would be less the money they would save one his healthcare system compared to the current one, i.e. most people would be left with more money in their bank account every year then how it is right now.
There are tons of things about him that are legitimate to criticism but its important to not try to gloss over or twist that point.
>>70102365
trump used to support single payer
he's very populist and not ideological. He wants what is best for the people that can actually be done
Why build a fence around a house that'd be destroyed?
>wants to ruin the economy
>wants to ruin healthcare
>wants to ruin education
>wants to ban nuclear power
>wants to ban semitrucks
>doesn't give a fuck about jobs
The guy is a fucking mental case who has no idea how the world works.
>>70102365
you mean stalin?
>>70103980
>i.e. most people would be left with more money in their bank account every year then how it is right now.
Leave it up to the greedy leftists to only care about how much money they can get out of the system, regardless of morality.
>>70104098
hes going for the weed man strategy. promise liberal faggots things that sound nice and then invite millions of mudslimes on
democracy is terrible
>>70103980
>le /pol/ is just satire meme
Yeah, tell me about your many black friends my hispanic brother.
>>70104505
>biweekly paycheck
>>70104303
Its not about being greedy to obtain more money. The Insurance and Pharma companies are currently the greedy ones and are bleeding both the public and the government dry. If they didn't have much control over the healthcare system and didn't act like parasites so much then both the government and the people would save money and healthcare would function as it should.
>>70104098
>doesn't give a fuck about jobs
thats one of the most intellectually dishonest thing you wrote, a central part of his plan is creating 1 million new infrastructure jobs and he wants to end or renegotiate current trade deals to bring back jobs just as Trump does, him and Trump are the same when it comes to free trade, that convenient for you to ignore though huh.
Anyone who votes bernie is either an idiot or a mooch
>>70104505
dosen't account for savings of his healthcare plan
>>70104660
>FDR-New Deal-style capitalism = soviet communism
when will this meme end?
As long as women have the vote: the trend will be towards socialism. After all the shitskins are deported socialism becomes much more viable.
You Bernie guys should play the long game and vote for Trump.
>>70104815
When the last socialist weeps bitter tears and admits he was wrong before being put out of his misery.
>>70104644
>Its not about being greedy to obtain more money.
>both the government and the people would save money
>>70102365
Trump is low key NatSoc bro
>>70104644
source? i thought bernie changed his mind on the free trade deals
>>70104712
You mean the one that may or may not ever work?
You realize that whatever you plan will not actually be what is implemented right? In fact in the case of a massive federal government, not only is the implementation off-key, it's extraordinarily inefficient. As of now the money saved on paper might be just awesome. Awesome enough to get your inexperienced and gullible vote even. But in practice none of that will happen and you'll not see a dime of that money saved by Healthcare Reform.
Sanders is a child that walks out of interviews and yells at his opponents to shut up. His supporters are very similar. He will accomplish nothing in office and while that's usually cry for bern victims to say "lol then what's your problem with him?" the problem is that if he even gets the democratic nomination, it shows the millennials that crying like children and behaving like fascists towards anyone they deem bigoted works to get what they want.
>>70102365
There's no way to stop the illegals ftom getting all your free stuff.
MAGA
OP you and all your posts make you sound like the sort of idiot that thinks he's smarter than everyone else because he has "mixed views."
You're not. Everyone here has mixed views to some degree, most more disparate than yours. You're not special you never have been you never will be.
>>70104961
not when he shills zionism every chance he gets
>>70104919
The companies are the ones being exorbitantly greedy. No other countries spends so much on health care because of being forced to shill out so much money for the corporations. Our healthcare system is one of the worst out of any major developed country.
Its about restoring balance to a system that is currently distorted and unhealthy.
>its not greed when the jewish-owned corporations do it
>>70105921
They are not incompatible. Zionists controlling the politics of the US is incompatible with it but Trump has come out for reforming election funding and has been vocally critical of how it currently works. Israel being an asshole to the countries around it has nothing to do with NatSoc in the US.
Without cheap labor your "prosperity" will end. You will work for a bowl of porridge, if there is no illegal migrant workers. This is socialism, baby!
Bernie would make my tax rate 25.7% and I make less than 50k/year. No thanks. I am a single person and I don't want to pay extra in taxes for some fat single mom's kids' healthcare. Nor do I want to pay off some liberal arts major's student loans with my taxes. Fuck Bernie. Let my money pay for my health insurance and take care of ME.
>>70105322
>MAGA
>there's no way to stop illegals
What is wall?
>>70105113
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Free_Trade.htm
>>70104961
I know, and I would be happy with both Trump or Sanders and like them both but would prefer Sanders although depending on how Trump finalizes his positions before the election and on how the debates go I may change my mind.
>>70104625
Most people employed in America get paid every two weeks. What's your argument?
>>70106251
>wages will rise, if there are no illegal migrant workers
fixed that for you
>>70106895
> Wages rise, the owners profit falls
> Production are transferred to third countries
> Millions of unemployed smash the town hall
>>70103980
>40%+ federal for my bracket
yeah...
>>70106056
>The companies are the ones being exorbitantly greedy.
>make product
>people willingly buy product
>greedy
>No other countries spends so much on health care because of being forced to shill out so much money for the corporations.
>forced
>Our healthcare system is one of the worst out of any major developed country.
Is that why all major medical breakthroughs and research is done here?
But no, it's fine if we spend other people's money via taxes. That's the just and moral way. I mean, who actually takes care of themselves and is responsible for their own well being anymore? IT'S 2016 COME ON
>>70107170
>Millions of unemployed
Oh, right, because they were being employed in the first place
>>70103980
This is flat out false. I would be laying $400 more per month in taxes when I pay considerably less than that for my benefits. Go fuck yourself schill.
>>70102365
Sorry you're still a retarded manchild that thinks giving the government more power over your finances and personal info will fix anything.
>>70107608
>Is that why all major medical breakthroughs and research is done here
thats not healthcare bro its scientific research, that does have not much of an effect on the whole healthcare system
>WHO ranks us in 37th place
http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/#5e7183a61b96
>>70108455
>thats not healthcare bro its scientific research, that does have not much of an effect on the whole healthcare system
You were just complaining about prices of our healthcare. I'll give you a hint:
>company researches and develops product
>copyrights it
>upsales the cost to the user to help cover cost of research
But no, address that one point I made and ignore the rest. They'll just go away if you do. I mean, who wants personal responsibility and freedom when you can have taxation and """"""""""""""""""free"""""""""""""""""""""""" shit?
>>70104712
anyone who works already has healthcare you fucking NEET
>>70104660
Based Gary the GOAT
>>70107776
I did that math with his percentages. If you make less than 50k you will be paying $2-$4 thousand in taxes.
>>70107608
>medical breakthroughs and research is done here?
>actually believing this
Americans spend the most on healthcare because the health industry fundamentally breaks market capitalism
>no price competition between doctors or hospitals for services
>no incentive for preventative care, only for selling you shit you don't need.
>no incentive for health insurance to cover your costs.
>>70109284
It's actually $4800 MORE and would be close to 12k annually. I don't know what liberal arts college you went to to figure out the taxes or if you aren't actually reading his tax plan entirely.
>>70109612
>Americans spend the most on healthcare
I wish this meme would end.
>>no price competition between doctors or hospitals for services
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>no incentive for preventative care, only for selling you shit you don't need.
I don't know, preventing illness seems like a pretty great incentive.
>>no incentive for health insurance to cover your costs.
Are you fucking retarded? Do you have any idea how our shit works? You can't afford NOT to have health insurance.
>>70102365
dumb frog poster
>>70104625
That means one paycheck every two weeks (which is typical in America), not two paychecks every week
