uh, the delusional or the no nothing?
I'm no fan of trump but libertarians are the worse
Rumor is they're both working for the freemasons.
I wish Ron had stayed in Congress. I will intentionally piss myself and then go put my pants in the washing machine and take a fresh shower if Trump gets it.
Ron Paul. He wanted to cut off all foreign aid, including to Israel.
>>70101831
Autism: the post.
>>70101967
>not masturbating to anime
>>70101831
>Rumor is
spotted the retard
Alex Jones shilling hard for the past 3 days
I like Ron Paul but he is way too idealistic.
Trump seems to be more practical.
>>70102114
Nah, I just thought it was funny people were circulating an "alleged 500 page report from elevnty different Russian intelligence agencies"
No need to get upset.
>Trump wants to Make America Great Again
>Ron wanted to somehow make America into Switzerland
Having been here since the Ron Paul era, I'm proud to see how much this place has matured.
Trump may lose the election, but he has already made /pol/ great again
>>70102160
What's practical about him?
The way he will guarantee #Hillary2016 by being the anti-Bernie?
Yeah, I guess the Trump/Clinton campaign is pretty practical.
>>70100264
If I were American, I'd support Ron, because his campaign comes down to more than boiling his ideology down to few short sentences with words of up to three syllables and repeating them over and over again.
Since I'm Serbian, I naturally support Trump as the first American to actually apologize for bombing us, demonizing us and siding with the Zerg against us and declare support for our cause.
But yeah, Trump is objectively probably the best option out of the available ones.
Don for president, Ron for the Fed chairman
>>70100264
Ron Paul is the evangelical preacher of economics. Full retard with his monetary ideals.
>>70100264
Whom*
>>70101831
>Rumor is they're both working for the freemasons.
Then why would Ron call Donald part of the establishment, and tell people he's no better than Hillary?
If by free masons do you mean good goys?
>>70102930
Well I imagine Ron doesn't like him for all the usual reasons the Ron people don't like him. There's a lot to not like about Trump, even if you didn't have a son that he didn't even have to really go after at all to be slipped out of the election.
Doesn't mean I don't like either Paul, and doesn't mean I don't like Trump.
>>70100264
Ron Paul is a genious ahead of his time, Trump is just the least terrible option currently
Ron Paul was alright as a 'fuck you' to the establishment. Trump is practically my ideal candidate.
Libertarianism was always for protest, I wanted Right-Wing Populism.
>>70100264
Paul for domestic policy
Trump for foreign policy
GARY JOHNSON 2016
>>70100264
>Whom* do you prefer?
:^)
>>70100264
Trump.
>>70100264
I like my energy HIGH.
>>70100264
Dr Paul
>>70100264
Paul, obviously. I literally LOATHE libertarians and would gladly execute every one as the deadly and immediate threat to the species they represent. But Trump is worse. At least most of the shit Paul says makes fucking sense. Trump is a fucking meme-spewing rich idiot. Literally a White fucking Mt. Dew Camacho. I guess everyone got used to Idiocracy being real after W.
>>70101831
Kill yourself
ron paul.
trump's a meme.
>>70103745
I'll get right on it
>>70103673
Libertarians don't do damage at all.
Shit about anarchy is just a meme.
Gary Johnson was popular and managed to get reelected in New Mexico curshing the Democrat.
State spending kept increasing, just with a lower rate than before.
Then again, the governor isn't the only man behind the budget.
Trump.
I like Ron Paul a lot and his son too, but he would make a bad leader and a bad president.
It was already said: he's too idealistic. Idealism can fuck up a country worse than being under greediest evilest and most manipulative rule for all of its existence.
Idealism leads men into minefields.
Ron Paul doesn't think "this is how the world is, how do we make it tolerable?", he thinks "this is how the world should be, how do we make it as close as possible?"
Trump on the other hand is very down to Earth on matters. He's a bullshitter and any bullshitter worth his weight in shit knows their own like a man knows his penis.
I don't want a nice guy as our leader, I want someone who would function efficiently as a leader.
I can't think of a better leader than a crook and swindler. I can't think of a single better leader than a mob boss with his interests invested in this nation for his own financial well being.
Trump is the kind of person who makes his money off people, and if you make your money off people you do all you can to make sure that the people have money and are there otherwise you don't get jack shit.
>>70104154
>Libertarians don't do damage at all.
Their policies sure do. Most people employing them don't call themselves libertarian. But you'd know that if ANY libertarian understood the Earth has a history that extends before 1930. The late 1800s were a libertarian paradise. And they were shit. There's a good god damned reason we have child labor, environmnental protection and pollution control laws and it's not to spoil capitalists' fun.
I swear to god, libertarianism is like christianity - you can only belong to it if you literally can't think.
>Shit about anarchy is just a meme.
No. It's not. Libertarianism may as well be a cult with the motto "The market do as it wilt shall be the whole of the law". You're literally just anarchists in serious denial. There is no such thing as a government small enough to satisfy a libertarian. You're like a bunch of idiots that go around claiming you like mushrooms but refuse every mushroom on earth and will only eat broccoli doused in ketchup that you insist on calling the "best mushroom".
>>70100467
You've a gay/fag Prime Minister, wtf are you talking about? I would be ashamed of my country if my PR was voted purely on his looks.
#WOMANSHOULDNOTVOTE
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>70104500
As opposed to 19th century socialist paradises?
>No. It's not.
Yes it is.
Give me an example where Gary Johnson did those things you claim libertarians do?
And again, libertarianism isn't anarchism.
Ron Paul
Trump was choking on the Clinton's dick for decades before announcing he was running.
I seriously don't get why /pol/ never mentions this.
Ron Paul is actually intelligent. So, Trump.
>>70104653
The narrative, bro.
>>70104802
You mean the narrative where all they mention is he gave money to Hillary but not ever that he gave money to pretty much everyone else, including most or all of the people he's actually running against in the primary?
>>70104642
NO. As opposed to the 20th century one all you altright imposters keep CLAIMING you want to return to. Kindly eat your own shit. You want to know why the 1950s was a time of prosperity and the 1880s weren't? Here you go. In one image. Oh wow. Look at where the Great Depression is. Oh wow. Look at where the Great Recession is. Oh wow, look at where the era that everyone is constantly nostalgic for is (1950s-1980s). Oh wow, look at where the the time when everything went to shit again is.
ALL TOTAL COINCIDENCE. IT'S A MILLION OTHER ISSUES! HONEST! MUH FREE MURKET IS UNFALLIBLE!!!
>>70104642
>And again, libertarianism isn't anarchism.
Oh, and again, yes it is. None of you cocksuckers respect the rule of law and you hate all nation states. That's fucking anarchist. Go to a therapist, not the campaign trail, faggots.
>>70100264
Paul.
http://strawpoll.me/7294555/
>>70104882
No, the narrative where he constantly sweet talked Hillary every time she tried to squeeze herself into politics or some other shit.
I like Trump but I can't help but think hes a plant to secure the Clinton's presidency. If he goes independent the democrats will win, and Bernie stands no chance against Hillary and her kikes.
His F you attitude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rVd3JLg16U
>>70105067
This is about ancaps but I swear it's relevant
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1459905725438.webm
>>70105100
Hillary thrives on being sweet-talked. Can't tell you for sure if he's a plant or not, but it's not like Ron Paul is about to win the Republicunt nomination.
>>70104965
>straw mans
The 50s were great because the rest of developed world had to rebuild while USA was pretty much undamaged.
Reagan isn't a libertarian dream unless you have never seen any of his policies.
>Oh, and again, yes it is
No, it isn't.
Again a strawman.
Instead of putting words in my mouth first take that dick out your ass.
Again, if libertarians are such ancaps, how did Gary Johnson get reelected in blue New fucking Mexico?
>>70100264
Think of Ron Like Caesar and Trump like Augustus. Ron was the hero of the people ans was struck down by the elite afraid of a shift in the status quo. Trump is coming in to transform the republic into an empire and finish a movement Ron started.
American is Rome all over again, and history will always repeat itself.
>>70105321
>straw mans
Ope, there it is. Conversation over. This is the libertarian version of "heretic" and shows the libertarian is done listening and is just going to start reciting libertarian scripture to try to counter facts.
>The 50s were great because the rest of developed world had to rebuild while USA was pretty much undamaged.
There it is again. Same old bullshit. Never change, faggot.
>No, it isn't.
Yeah, it is. The favorite insult of you retarded faggots is "statist", you're actively ANTI-FUCKING-STATE and still claim to totally not be anarchists. You think governments are ALWAYS evil and wrong, and business never is. The only government which would theoretically satisfy a libertarian is a corporation, and we basically already have that in corporatocracy, yet you fuckers STILL aren't happy. The only way to please a libertarian is to allow them to be born rich and smoke pot. But I've done this rodeo since you were probably literally diapers. Every libertarian always has the same (false) talking points and excuses and you're never right. About anything. I'm just here to rub it in your fucking face.
>HURR MUH LITERAL NOBODY
STOP USING A STRAWMAN!
>>70105181
Thats another thing, Ron was even more damaging to the top kikes than Trump, and he got taken down silently with the whole delegates scam.
Trump has been turned into a popular antagonist by the media, and the kikes obviously know that there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Makes it even more suspicious.
>>70105321
Because, as that dude stated, most people who are seeking employment don't say they're libertarians, why don't you clean the cum off your eyes you Norse piece of shit?
>>70105576
Again you're putting words in my mouth I never said.
>The only government which would theoretically satisfy a libertarian
According to?
You?
> Every libertarian always
According to?
You?
How is giving an actual libertarian governor as an example a strawman?
>>70105646
Ron knew where the drop zone was and didn't give any fucks about calling Head Jew of the Jew Reserve out every chance he could. But that's why Ron was successful in Congress and could never pull off a serious presidential run.
If you want me to trade that for a guy who can get on top, take the stage, and shit-talk TPP and TTIP out of existence, I'll take that deal. As I have consistently stated since I learned of these deals, I believe they are paving the road to the New Jeworld Currency that will take rise like the phoenix from the ashes to take control when the current global currency regime finally becomes less competitive.
It's similar with that seemingly ridiculous thing Trump issued about how to make Mexico pay for the wall. That's never what he's said about how he was going to do it. Currency controls are a sure sign of an empire that is going down in flames. But some people who heard that know damn well he's talking about currency movements other than peeps sending money back to their senpaitachi. He's not playing the little man's game.
>>70105715
According to libertarian theory, and according to most libertarians I've talked to, he's right.
>>70100264
Trump and Paul are similar in more ways than they are different. It's kinda weird on Ron's part why him and his manlet son attacked Trump like they did so early on. I can see going after him later in the game but at the very beginning?
>>70105983
What libertarian theory?
I'm using classical liberalism as definition of liberarianism, not some anarchist shit.
> according to most libertarians
Did they mention Ayn Rand with a positive tone?
If so why are they idolizing a whore like that (who also said she's not a liberarian and despises them herself)
If they mention Ayn their opinion is invalid. Always. Zero exceptions
Ron. He was a hero America needed but didn't deserve.
That being said, I agree that Ron is too idealistic. He always sees things through the lens of a perfect libertarian world, a thing that should be considered the lategame effect, not primary goal.
>>70100264
Ron Paul never proposed to build a wall and deport all illegal immigrants.
Give me liberty, or give me Trump or give me death.
Newfags will say trump.
>>70106140
It was the dragonslayer effect - You attack the powerful dragon and you either get burned to death or win and instantly become the hero featured in ballads, the dragonslayer. They didn't make it.
>>70102930
You remind me of the people who were pissed at Ron for calling out Romney for all his shit. Ron Paul is just being the same principled Constitution loving man he has been his whole life.
>>70100264
Pic related because Sander's and Trump are opposite sides of the same coin.
>>70106140
Both of their campaigns were always terrible outside of when they acted themselves in public. I got an email from Rand's campaign asking me to sign petitions to get him on the ballot in my state way too late into the game and after all these other emails not alleging he wasn't fit to run in the first place.
I might have even chucked him some real money early on if I had known he was in that bad shape. I'd much rather have had him last longer on stage than most of the others.
>>70102606
>Ron wants to turn us into Switzerland
>he is constantly criticising people like Sanders that actually want to turn us into Switzerland and the failures of their welfare states
>>70100264
Easy choice. Ron Paul.
The only reason /pol/ ever liked Ron Paul was due to his neutral/anti-Israel positions.
>>70100264
Ron Paul is the King of /pol/
Only newfags disagree because they weren't here for the glory days of /pol/ and /new/
Ron Paul is/was a bigger threat to the establishment over Trump so between the two Id pick Paul. But Paul isn't in the running now so Trump is the only choice.
>>70106639
>Only newfags disagree because they weren't here for the glory days of /pol/ and /new/
>mfw newfags
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM
>>70106799
how can one man be so based?
>>70108402
>>70100264
Trump by a mile libertarianism only works when you have a labour marked filled to the brim with 3rd worlders. It's judaism in economic form
>>70106799
remember this gem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e26FhQo_2JY
>>70102606
Ron wants to turn America into America again.
>>70103257
You know how retarded you sound when you say you want 'right-wing populism'.
>>70100264
They're both shit.
>>70104500
>Caring about humanity and the environment
>Wanting Trump in the White House
I like Trump, but this statement is retarded.
Ron Paul.
>>70110016
can you explain or cite sources? I am interested
>>70110572
Economic libaralism to such an extreme degree seeks out vast numbers of low payed workers as they best help to create profits for corporations.
There's a reason why economic liberals such as Thatcher and Blair supported vast numbers of migrants who can work long hours for low pay.
Trump as president and Ron Paul as VP.
Trump shouldn't do anything then to hold press conferences (he is fucking hilarious) and then leave all actual decision making to Ron Paul. Just like the relationship Bush jr and Cheney had.
Paul would have been nice.
Honestly the US is fucked any way you cut it for the next four years, there's slimmer pickings than usual at this election. At least with Trump I'll get a few laughs out if the deal
Trump can never be this good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjBoAQw7bgo
Ron Paul was okay, but he has a huge blind spot on cultural issues, particularly Islam.
>"What many fail to admit is that ISIS deliberately manipulates Islam to inspire violence by some, which helps them gain recruits for their cause. This is not a reflection of the 1.6 billion Muslims around the world. It’s like claiming that the KKK represents sound Christian theology."
>"Economic ideas that encourage empire-building and resentment are what hurts the economy and encourages war. Instead of understanding how free markets, sound money, property rights, and civil liberties lead to prosperity and peace, the explanation is that the ensuing wars are explained by a “ clash of civilizations” stirred up by racial tensions and religious differences. This is something that always ends badly."
Not to mention some frankly cuckservative ideas on immigration
>"Most immigrants, regardless of the color of their skin, are open to the ideals of liberty: private property, free markets, sound money, right to life, low taxes, less war, protection of civil liberties, and a foreign policy designed for peace."
>"Even with a healthy economy and stricter border controls, the issue of what to do with twelve-million-plus illegals already here would persist. One side says use the U.S. Army, round them up, and ship them home. The other side says give them amnesty, make them full-fledged citizens, and reward the lawbreakers, thus insulting and unfairly penalizing those who have patiently waited and obeyed our immigration laws. The first choice--sending twelve to fifteen million illegals home--isn't going to happen and should not happen. Neither the determination or the ability to accomplish it exists. Besides, if each case is looked at separately, we would find ourselves splitting up families and deporting some who have lived here for decades, if not their entire life, and who never lived for any length of time in Mexico."
>>70114000
Thing is without bennies only the people who did want to work would bother going to the US.
>>70114211
yeah but even if someone is a hard worker would you still want them if they are a theocratic Muslim planning on raising a herd of little radicals?
It might be efficient for the labour market to bring such a person(s), but does it culturally harm a Western secular state in the long run?
>>70114399
I agree that culture is important and worth defending. I just didn't see Paul throwing open the gates had he won it.
>>70100264
Paul = Cato
Trump = Caesar
It's hard to say, they both have their merits.
