Personally, I think it's acceptable in legitimate cases of rape, but if a woman is stupid enough to get herself pregnant when she isn't ready for a child, that is her problem. Also, some could argue that use of contraceptives is a form of abortion in itself as it prevents fertilisation. Discuss.
Pro Life is the more morally correct position. It takes the correct medical viewpoint that a fetus is a living thing and killing that living thing is morally wrong.
Pro Choice is just a utilitarian position, unless you take the absurd position that a fetus is not a human until it has been born and taken it's first breath. (the Jewish rabbinical law position)
>>70097304
first post best post
Abortion should be legal all of the time, for any reason.
>but it's murder!
So is killing homeless retards who buy crack with their food stamps, which should also be legal all of the time.
>>70097193
>also, some could argue that use of contraceptives is a form of abortion in itself as it prevents fertilisation.
only if you're an uneducated moron
there is nothing to abort if fertilisation hasn't occurred
> giving women a choice
Name 1 scenario where this has benefited society in the long run
Personally I'm against it morally save for certain conditions but I think it should be legal up to 12 weeks as biologically the suffering will be an utmost minimum almost akin to unplugging a vegetative state human.
>>70097446
>there is nothing to abort if fertilisation hasn't occurred
you need to look up how birth control pills work.
They don't prevent fertilization, they prevent the fertilized egg from implanting on the walls of the uterus.
>>70097193
I approve of it because it's a legal way to kill future criminals, non-whites, children of single mothers and all around r-selected scum en mass, all the most miserable suicidal dysfunctional people I've met are from situations where the mother was clearly not fit to have children so it's doing the baby a favor
however if women have the option to terminate their pregnancy then that means men should have the option to terminate their financial obligation so no more getting knocked up just to get the boyfriend on child support
>>70097590
Underrated
The inherent value of a human is drawn from their self-awareness.
Babies are less intelligent than a dog for as much as the first three years of their life and the laws should reflect that.
>>70097193
>What does /pol/ think about abortion?
should be legal and enforced in high populated areas.
should be illegal in low populated countries.
>>70097853
Condoms prevent fertilization and are the most frequently used form of contraceptive.
>>70097193
Exactly what we do here in Oz mate. Abortion is under the table legal and no government funds are used for it
>>70097193
The Donald was right
>>70097590
I want to disagree, but I just can't anymore.
>>70097193
This is the best explanation of it I have ever read.
http://www.wendymcelroy.com/abort.htm
I think abortion is only permissable in very specific cases like: the child will be a super poor fuck who's a burden on the economy or they're suffering some disorder.
>>70098090
Would you introduce agree with mandatory abortions in India due to you guys having such a high population density? Something like a one child policy maybe?
>>70097193
>her body, her choice
My wallet, my choice.
>>70097853
Except they do prevent fertilization - most birth control pills work by preventing release of the egg in the first place. The implantation thing is just second line of defense.
>>70098171
>lolbertarians
Case dismissed.
>>70098175
>super poor fuck who will be a burden to the economy
What, like all your muslim imports? Put the child up for adoption if you can't afford it.
>suffering from a disorder
I can't answer that one. They're alive, but physically or mentally fucked. Hard choice either way.
while you're all busy wasting your time over the rights of a cunt, arabs are busy overbreeding and over taking every suburbs of your nation
>>70098161
The evidence is almost incontrovertible, if not already give it another 20 years max. There is a reason ancient civilisations even wrote about it.
>>70097410
Third post, best post?
>>70097193
>implying women aren't just going to call rape every time they want and abortion.
>>70098327
Not my nation :^)
Nothing any of you Europeans can do about it. Your countries will turn slowly Muslim and non-white until it becomes an Islamic nation.
>>70098425
If they can prove it, they can abort it. It would have to be confirmed as legitimate rape by a physician and/or the police.
>>70098317
>dismissing it because assumed libertarian
>not dismissing it because woman
You were probably not self-aware until 6.
>>70098491
>>70097193
Never trust a female that killed her own child. She will always put herself before others
>>70098230
one child policy won't work, china fucked it up. it's the 5-6 muslim(and others too) children that we should stop.
fuckers use women as farms.
We had compulsory sterilization from '75-'77 but it received backlash.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization#India
Most people in urban areas can only support 1 kid, 2 at best. It's the rural population that we have to take care of.
My grandfather had 8 kids, my dad has only 2. and my cousin has 1.
>>70098578
Libertarian outranks woman on the scale of dismissal, tbqh. Women sometimes have good ideas, but libertarians?
I'm pro-choice. I also think it's stupid to argue that abortion is ok because "its jusss a buncha cells hurr." That argument leads nowhere because you just end up with an arbitrary line drawing activity about when it "becomes a baby."
In my mind, there's pretty much no intellectually honest way to say that you're not killing something. But I still think abortion should be an option (though it is a very heavy and serious decision that should not be celebrated) and is not morally wrong.
As a society, we tolerate some forms of killing: killing in war, capital punishment, self-defense. Murder is just killing we think is detrimental to society.
Abortion should be just another form of socially accepted killing. We think its ok to kill when the person is a threat either to our physical body or to society at large. I would argue an unwanted fetus is both.
In a non-degenerate society it should be illegal
Since the west is fully degenerate, we're doing these fetuses and the economy a favor
>>70097193
It's murder, plain and simple. However, I do think that there are situations where despite that fact, it is still acceptable. Like when you already know that you will give birth to a human vegetable.
I completely believe that life begins at conception. The intermixing of DNA has created a unique being.
I am also 100% in support of abortion. Not pro-choice, pro-abortion. I hate children and most people who have kids should not be having them because they are either complete idiots or the woman having the kids is using them to satisfy their own personal and petty desires. So, talk people into getting one whenever you can.
This stance really tends to piss off both sides of the pro-choice and pro-life sides of the argument though.
>>70098491
You already don't have control over your countryand it is going to get worse. USA is the most cucked western nation yet you look down on europeans.
>>70098661
In my mind, there's pretty much no intellectually honest way to say that you're not killing something.
You're also killing something when you take antibiotics anon, that's not the point.
Are you killing another human individual? Or a collection of human cells with only a potential to later become a human individual?
That's not hurr durr that's cutting right to the heart of the question.
>>70097193
>but if a woman is stupid enough to get herself pregnant when she isn't ready for a child, that is her problem
>not OUR problem when OUR taxes are gonna go to pay for OUR baby
Amirite ?
>>70097304
Educate yourself.
The medical viewpoint is that cells are not a living thing until the 3rd or 4th week of pregnancy.
>Muh feelings
>>70098695
What if the mother is very likely to die in childbirth? Would you consider abortion to be okay in such a situation?
>>70097193
Acceptable not if or buts. Personally I would never have one but I will not force my opinion on other women on the issue. Kinda like the death penalty, I would rather have it being implemented for violent crimes and at petition of the family victims rather than impose the view that the life of a criminal is worth more than the life he took away or destroyed.
>>70097193
all though i have mixed feelings about killing a living thing, i think abortions are necessary and good for avoiding unwanted children. i dont think i would want a girl i impregnated to have one though, no matter the circumstances. if people want them they should be allowed to get them as long as i dont have to get my hands dirty.
Pro-choice people are some of the most insufferable cunts around. They always treat the "fetus" as an object, not a person. I wouldn't mind their argument if they didn't try to obfuscate their intentions.
>>70098746
>>70098594
Spics are Christian and believe in Western values. Muslims do not.
>>70097193
I believe if you are dumb enough to not take the pill. to not use a condom, to not take the day after pill ect. then you should have the baby
unless you got raped, the fetus is a potato ect.
I agree only if it goes both ways.
If a woman uses her body to have yet another kid despite her own inability to support it, then that was her choice for which she alone should take responsibility.
Her body.
Her baby.
Her choice.
Her responsibility.
Society is not your baby's daddy.
>>70097193
I think it should be allowed, but I would want people to not have to use it as much as it is used now. I would like for people to only have unprotected sex with those who can support a family, but I cannot control people - I can only suggest what would be less harm to the mother in both the short and long term.
>>70098755
Sure, but I'm saying the result will always be arbitrary if you take the "buncha cells" position.
Please explain to me when a cluster of cells becomes a human individual.
Pro tip: you can't
>>70097193
I don't really give a shit unless it has started developing a brain. Before that, have at it. Also if it is retarded or deformed, go ahead.
>>70097590
You have a point.
>>70098821
tell that to laraza
>>70098821
Spics believe in their spic identity and socialism which is reflected by their voting patterns.
>Muh natural conservatives
>>70098132
>Abortion is under the table legal and no government funds are used for it
Are you aware that you live in Australia, not Fantasy Dream Land?
Source: http://www.abortion.org.au/
>>70098755
You are killing a human.
IF you break it down, YOU are nothing but a collection of cells yourself. I am fine with abortion but the line of 'It's just cells' is rather silly to me. So is the whole, 'I think abortion in the case of rape is fine.' That line is no different than saying it is fine to kill someone because their dad is an asshole.
I support killing babies and pre-babies.
abortion leads to lower crime rate
society would save billions in welfare and law enforcement by funding abortions for the poor
it is immoral but inevtiable and also necessary for a well functioning society
if you will murdered a puppy in dog stomach
everybody will hate you
but not a human? I think no
>>70098774
>The medical viewpoint is that cells are not a living thing until the 3rd or 4th week of pregnancy.
You must have been listening to some odd propaganda. Babies in the US are viable outside the womb at 23 weeks now.
The idea that a living cell is not a living thing is laughable.
>>70098974
Instead of killing the unborn, why don't we just kill the poor? It'll save us lots of money and resources.
>>70098957
But in a case of rape, the child will remind the mother of the traumatic event and will grow up without a father and potentially hated by, and in turn neglected by, the mother. The child would have a terrible quality of life.
>>70097193
I have mixed feelings about abortion.
It is killing a baby. It should not be easy to get an abortion for normal people. I agree with abortion where the mother's life is at risk or if the baby is jacked up beyond viability.
On the other hand, a large majority of abortions are done to black women. If it weren't for abortion, we would not be 12% nog, but more like 35% nog. If you think blacks are rough on society now, imagine about 3x as many blacks nogging around.
Abortion may just be a necessary evil.
>>70098988
Hello best Korea. How did you get here?
>>70097193
I think regardless, it's trashy as fuck
>what about rape children
I'd be okay with rape abortions
>but then everyone will just say it was rape
Yeah that's where stuff gets tricky and its easier for me to say just take plan B or some shit instead of giving it a couple months and acting like you didn't see it coming.
>>70099040
the poor would start a violent revolution
state funded abortion is long-term method of killing the poor
>>70099098
>The mother will have to deal with this child everyday
It's like people aren't even aware of how fast a newborn gets adopted when put up for it. Those fuckers fly off the shelves where women with doom wombs snatch them up so quick it will make your head spin.
>>70099139
Exactly. If a girl is raped why would she not take the morning after pill or some equivalent?
Make it legal for mudskins but illegal for Whites + any other ethnicities with falling populations :^)
>>70098879
If you read the article that I linked you will find an answer to that question. You may see the article as 'extra' verbiage but it's really quite lean, and the background is necessary to understand the answer.
>>70098957
You are wrong. I am much more than a collection of cells. I am an autonomous human individual with a personality all my own. If you give me severe brain damage so that that is no longer true, you might as well kill me - what is left alive is human, but it is NOT me.
Also you're making no sense at all when you say you are fine with abortion. You are fine with murder? Really?
>>70099206
>Doesn't understand how Plan B works.
>>70099160
Just slip trace amounts of RU486 into junk food and soda.
Problem solved.
>>70099191
Fair point but a lot of adopted children have a lot of angst.
>>70097193
>What does /pol/ think about abortion?
This is a topic I got tired of discussing by the time I was seventeen and at this point I really don't care either way since I don't hold human life in high regard
>>70098746
>USA is the most cucked western nation
product of russian media, everybody.
>>70099256
>Doesn't understand how Plan B works.
Correct I do not as I have never had to use it before
>>70098786
Right now I would say "no", but my opinion would probably change rather quickly when my own wife was affected.
My statement did not mean that I want to see abortion banned though. What I would want is that they are properly informed of the full consequences of what they are about to do, that they stop encouraging people to see abortion as an acceptable alternative to contraception.
Murder was probably the wrong word for my original post, since it implied that there are always base motives. A better choice of words would be that they are killing a human being. In my opinion, there are situations where killing someone else is a viable solution to the problem (and pretty much the whole world agrees on that, see self-defense). But people should be aware of the fact that they are killing a human being and think about the implications of it.
>>70097193
Make it illegal for well off white couples(with the exceptions of rape, incest, the mother's life and all that)
Keep it legal and offer incentives to perform it to shitskins.
Fun fact: The Nigger population of the US would be more than double what it is today if abortion was illegal. Keep that in mind before you pro-life idiots dismiss it.
>>70099206
My social justice friend says because it fucks with your hormones and no-one deserves that, but from a family friend I've heard abortion literally makes you feel like you killed an innocent person and shellshocks you.
Of course this is anecdotal evidence but hell, even though planned parenthood is defunded, we still have free contraception in most civilized areas and teen pregnancy is still going up.
Yes. What our countries need is more fucking stupid white 18 years old teen that get knocked up by Tyonne who are now stuck raising a kid alone and feel indicated in raising its kid and getting welfare. I fucking love giving money to single white trash mother on welfare.
>>70099011
A fetus is formed after 3 or 4 weeks. Up until then those are just cells who can become a fetus but are not a fetus yet. Hence they're not a living person, just cells like the skin we shed every day.
And what you're saying is completely true but has no connection to what I said.
>>70099305
>stop encouraging people to see abortion as an acceptable alternative to contraception.
I share the same sentiment.
>>70099256
>I am more than a collection of cells
No, you really aren't. Your brain cells are just trying to tell you otherwise.
>>70099260
>Adopted kids have angst
Kids in general have angst, anon. If raised from a newborn status, unless told (or highly visually obvious) that kid isn't going to know it was adopted.
>>70099260
They have angst because they have an excuse to put their angst into. most other kids just get depressed anyways. cry babies are always going to be crybabies, they should be happy a family took them in at all, or aren't born like the butterfly boy.
>>70098774
>The medical viewpoint is that cells are not a living thing
wew
>>70097193
The proper punishment for abortion is sterilization.
>>70097193
Keeps the black population down.
And of course you need to consider the fact that hundreds of eggs are fertilized but never grow into babies (never get attached to the uterus wall).
So I mean at a certain point it makes sense. It's a humane solution to a potentially disastrous problem.
However, it should be used very sparingly, only in certain severe cases. And never in instances when the baby is more than just a couple cells. Terminating the life of an 8 pound infant who just happens to not have left the womb yet is barbaric
>>70099288
It's simply a chemical abortion, so saying you shouldn't need an abortion, just use plan b if you are raped is completely missing the point.
The anti-abortion people don't want this to be legal any more than they want any other method of abortion to be legal.
>>70099326
I can confirm at anecdote level at least. I've heard from several female friends that used it that it was very much not fun. But surgical abortion certainly isn't either.
>>70099256
I did read the article. It still has the same line-drawing problem.
If birth is the point at which the fetus becomes human, then 1 hour before its born its not a human but 1 hour later when its popped out its suddenly human though nothing meaningful about the baby as a thing has changed besides its location. It's an interesting philosophical point, but not ultimately useful - it's still arbitrary af.
Also if biological independence is the point, why shouldn't it be human at the point of viability rather than birth? Arbitrary.
>>70098974
...ha ha blindman thinks its the poor getting abortions!
IMHTTO
It's the comfortable rich brats who shelter their parents from the ugly truth of sluttishness. Money accounted for, not wasted.
Serreptitiously funded.
REAL poor are popping babes to widen the haul on the Welfare Wagon.
>>70097193
The best argument you could make for abortion is one based on utility.
There is utility in allowing abortions as it has a noticeable effect on crime rates, number of people in poverty etc. Just look up 'Freakanomics and abortion'.
If you get into the moral side of it, you can easily slide into arguing with people whether or not condoms are pseudo abortion as well.
>>70098988
How the fucking fuck did North Korea get in here?
>>70099749
I totally get the "it keeps crime down" angle.
But all that proves to me is that niggers are scientifically a blight on humanity, and if we're going to allow abortion, let's go full throttle and just exterminate the monkey menace
>>70099630
The limit should be something concrete.
Such as the point the heart starts beating. Or the point the brain can feel pain. Or something like that. Figure out the average time it takes for that to develop, subtract a week as a buffer zone, and make that your demarcation limit.
>>70097193
I'm only for it because nonwhites get it a lot more than whites, and that's helping oru demographics in the US.
Otherwise, in a white country it should be illegal unless of rape, incest, and danger of mother's health.
I am a bigger fan of offering massive tax breaks and cutting a decent check to people who willfully get sterilized before having any kids, personally.
>You got a vasectomy or hysterectomy before popping out spawn?
Congrats, here is a check for $10,000 straight up and your tax rate is cut in half AND school taxes are removed entirely.
>>70099305
Whoa shit son be careful with that common sense.
I am skeptical in all cases of abortion, even cases of rape because the result of the rape didn't do anything wrong to warrant death. However I can understand why women would seek it out after something so traumatic, nor would the child likely be given a healthy upbringing as the chances are he or she would be resented. But the basic fact is you cannot get away from the fact that abortion does stop a life, I'm not religious, from a biological perspective human life has started at conception, it just hasn't developed to the point it can protest BUT IT WILL if you give it a few months.
It's not something a blanket ban can fix, as it gets complicated in cases of rape or children born in a vegetative state where steel hanger abortions would be used in desperation.
What I am completely disturbed and appalled by is the current trend of the left to treat any stigma against abortion as men trying to control women's bodies. It's degeneracy of the highest order that was warned by both Huxley AND Orwell, who was actually pro-life and disturbed by the attitudes his colleagues were taking. A culture of irresponsibility being taught as freedom where all are actually slaves to their passions and addictions, yeah nah save that shit m8 I'm out.
>>70097193
In any case, this question will soon be superfluous as science develops artificial wombs.
No abortion necessary, just transplant the fetus into a tank. Of course then you have the problem of all these parentless kids because women have no consequences for their actions, and can get pregnant 100 times if they want.
Abortions should be mandatory for all non-whites in America. I'm a black man so it's not racist.
>>70100092
*Cringe*
>>70099865
But how do you determine which concrete biological development should be the mark?
>>70100082
Those kids will most likely find their mothers and kill their mothers.
>alt-right generally is pro-life but at the same time considers single mothers spawn of the devil
Can anyone explain this contradiction to me?
>>70097193
I used to think it's murder that is somewhat justified by the results, i.e. no kids born to trainwreck women/turning women into trainwrecks by making them drop out etc.
But it's become so "popular" and easy that it caused a gap that we're now filling with cultural enrichers.
So I'm inclined to changing my opinion from "useful murder" to "nation-wrecking murder". That's just for Germany though.
>>70099892
The people that would go for that are not paying taxes, so the only thing they would see is the $10K. And honestly, most of those would still go for it if the price were lowered to $2K. But that's just details that could be hashed out. Too bad this is a utopian idea and not something we could actually accomplish.
>>70097193
my sperm, my choice.
Men have right to take back half of the fetus.
>>70100347
It's not a contradiction. They just want women who aren't so stupid to have unprotected sex outside of a stable relationship to begin with - and fathers who don't run away from responsibility.
So single mothers are the lesser evil, but still an evil.
Sorry if that's a double-post.
>>70097193
>>70100092
Hey there, T&T. Good food you people make. I love cooking with that Chief brand curry and burnt sugar. Tasty stuff for sure.
>>70097193
>but if a woman is stupid enough to get herself pregnant when she isn't ready for a child, that is her problem.
But it becomes everyone else's when gov pays for her to stay alive and her shitty, ill-mannered children start committing crimes and just in-general inflicting their loathsome presence on other people in the community
>>70100347
We intensely dislike the destruction of marriage and the nuclear family as that has by far the best track record of producing people that aren't complete washouts and druggies, we dislike abortion as an alternative to contraception as it is degeneracy of the highest degree and another move to separate responsibility from freedom, when you need one to protect the other.
TLDR modern callousness and hedonism is toxic to society and we will go the way of so many Empires before us.
>>70097885
I agree with this guy.
>>70099630
>Arbitrary
Is it arbitrary that you can't vote until you are 18, or drink until you are 21?
>>70098988
Best Korea? Am I hallucinating?
>>70097590
Very underrated post.
>>70097193
I'm pro choice for any stage of development including after birth which also leads me to being pro euthanasia. I'm also for the death penalty.
Pro life but also pro euthanasia so long as the patient or family consent.
The consent is pretty fucking important, difference is the pro choice crowd don't give the kid a choice between life or death.
>>70097193
My sperm is not your property.
#StopSpermMurder
>>70100750
yes it is
what's your point?
>>70097193
in favor of it in the following instances (assuming it's all proven and severe enough.):
>rape
>incest
>threat to mother's life
>threat to fetus' life
beyond that, adoption is always an option.
also, the man involved needs WAY more say than he currently gets because that baby wasn't created by ONE person. in a case where it was ONLY the woman involved (thanks to a donor from a sperm bank who waived all rights let's say) then i'm 100% fine with it whatever the case may be.
also, there should be some kind of option where a man can waive his rights AND responsibilities to the baby. in this case, the mother would get 100% rights and responsibilities and be able to get an abortion regardless of the circumstances.
>>70097193
>>70103436
>filename
Read it.
>>70103436
Did you just debunk "It's my body" argument? ABSOLUTE MADMAN!
Abortion = not cool
Rape victim abortion = case sensetive
Abortion where mother's life is threatened = Okay.
Condoms = Okay.
Prevention pills = Okay.
The problem with the abortion debate is that both sides are dominated by the stupidest people with the loudest mouths.
The most rabid pro baby murder people really believe that a woman has the right to kill the human being inside them no matter what. They think a woman could kill the thing right up until the last day of a full term pregnancy while she is in the delivery room.
And the anti abortion people think the life begins when the woman's bra strap unsnaps.
I personally think that actual abortion should be so tightly regulated that it would be highly illegal unless the baby is deformed or there is a large chance the woman will die from the pregnancy. But I also think that every female human above the age of 11 should be required to have a fresh supply of "morning after" pills on them at all times so there is no possibility they could get pregnant if they don't want to.
that pic pisses me of, IT LITERALLY HAS THE DRAWING OF ANOTHER BODY. Its like they all know it is a fraud, they ju.st want to keep killing their own children. And if they want to do that, let them do it, but lets start calling them by what it is, a murder. If our country is going to allow infanticide, lets start by calling it by its name
>>70097193
her body her choice his alimony obligation
>>70097193
It's the greatest killer of dindus in American history so I fully support it
>>70097193
I think it's a massive distraction, just like religion and degeneracy. Ethnic nationalism is all that matters.
>>70103436
So why does that someone else's body never object to being aborted?
>>70097193
OP's mom should have swallowed.
>>70097853
>American education
>>70097590
Natural Selection :^) you wouldnt be a manly man if women would have sex with betas
>>70108976
>both sides are dominated by the stupidest people with the loudest mouths
I do belive this include yourself, seeing how you went on that great anti-abortion rant on the very next line of text.
>>70110609
Did you miss the "most rabid" part? As in the most insane, frothing-at-the-mouth people?
>>70097193
Until fairly recently I had no opinion on it one way or the other. I figured if it matters to a guy, he'd wrap his Johnson up before diving in rather than buy a chicks claim to being on the pill. During that time, no one was pointing me to any real information to put the whole debate into perspective with numbers. Then I learned last year that in the US alone since the legalization of abortion around 52 million babies were killed and just over a million pregnancies are terminated annually. The scope of such mass murder is so profound that I no longer consider the holocaust to be the greatest single loss of life in the 20th century, but possibly the smallest.
However, while I know a battle to make abortion illegal would be problematic as feminists and their useful idiots would passionately fight against it, it's clearly a moral and ethical necessity to stop it at this point. While working towards that, we should also invest into developing artificial womb technology, so that scientists and doctors can develop a way to safely remove embryos women decide they don't want. Pass laws enabling biological fathers to be presented with the choice of raising the child, and create options that allow the child to be given to a family who would raise them well.
I hope the "gay" gene is discovered so we can start aborting potential LGBTQFFS babies before they are born.
But he SJW's will likely make THAT TYPE of abortion illegal. That baby has rights all of a sudden....
>>70097193
>Personally, I think it's acceptable in legitimate cases of rape
>two wrongs = right
wew
>>70098786
not Hans, but from a Catholic perspective, the principle is: direct abortion for the sake of abortion is wrong. If the only way to save the mother's life involves killing the fetus, that's an unfortunate circumstance that (if i recall correctly, correct me if I'm wrong theologians) would warrant abortion. The key here is intent.
>>70111041
Along with the development of artificial embryos to house the unwanted. Public perception of Roe v. Wade has slowly began to favor the pro life crowd, in particular it is really hard to spin a video of a late trimester abortion as anything other than killing.
>>70097590
Rare
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>>70097193
Abortion is always an act of evil 100% of the time. However in the case of rape, incest and possible death of the mother it is for the greater good to murder the child of a rapist, a child of incest or a child that would endanger the life of a taxpaying woman.
God Bless Donald Trump. Make Abortion Illegal Again.
