Just wondering /pol/...
On this board we're generally against islam (and we have good reasons).
But on the other hand, this religion is getting stronger and the West is being more and more driven towards accepting islam.
How can we be so sure that we'll never accept this faith? Even in the decades that come?
Jesus' teachings were very powerful on the society for a short period of time, even if the society in his time was on some degree hostile to his doctrine!
>inb4 Paul's conversion. He was at the beginning one of the most barbaric pagan who slaughtered christians, but after a revelation, he accepted Christ as a savior.
Personally /pol/, how can you be so sure that you'll never, in your life time, accept islam as a religious or social model?
>tfw Paul
>>70095563
ive seen too many fucking cuck belgian posts so im making one of these to shitpost your shitty fucking threads with
what a fucking cuck
>>70095563
>>>/Molenbeek/, Ahmed
>>70096503
it's not a question of being a cuck. I'm looking at a pattern in history of religion. I don't have any strong feelings towards islam, but nonetheless, I cannot stop wondering where we'll be in the next 30-40 years.
It's a post where I invite you in a speculation of our future, that's all
>>70096562
nope, I'm originally from Bulgaria (orthodox)
living in a majorly white community
>>70096781
>I don't have any strong feelings towards islam
You should have strong feelings against it.
It's 110 percent anti-west, anti-logic. is the world's premiere incubator of intentional slaying of civilians, and demands censorship.
Unless you're an Ahmed, it is your moral duty to hate Islam.
Belgium probably will accept because you're a weak and pathetic people, and then your society will collapse and we will exploit you for slave labour to make our Nikes
>>70095563
I'm already there, my Belgium friend. Would you like me to post all the pictures of Ayatollah Khomeini. Just by gazing upon his image, the Twelfth Imam may appear to you.
>>70096962
yes sorry, i didn't express myself very well. I don't like islam, that's it. Also as a Bulgarian, historically, I have all the good reasons to hate this religion...
But all your posts here are ad hominem! I have to justify myself! But my question is different :
As anti-islam here on /pol/, don't you have any fear that on day, you'll live a religious conversion (for reasons of faith or/and social acceptance)
What is our solid ground as Westerners that we can say for 100% certainty that, NO, the West will never be Muslim
>I took the example of Paul who was against Christianity, but became one of the most radical christians
Are you safe from this indoctrination?
Islam can't be the true religion.
Taqiyya invalidates that.
A true religion wouldn't need to lie, because that would make it by its very essence, untrue.
>>70097167
probably true (the conversion part particularly)
it is frustrating to see how the elites here are strongly condesendant towards the monkey business of muslims here
commencing dump.
This is Khomeini's, "that's totally haram" face. He displays such character.
>>70097293
Bismillah, my friend! May peace be upon him
:^)
>>70097306
>But all your posts here are ad hominem!
I think you'd better consult your dictionary before shitposting.
And no, I don't fear the day i'll somehow (for some bizarre reason) have a religious conversion. I might as well sit around and postulate on all kind of arbitrary things if I"m going down such a weird road of illogic.
>are you safe from this indoctrination?
Yes.
He looks so serious.
Sometimes i wonder if Khomeini was actually Sean Connery working for the CIA.
>>70097463
such a display of virility...
>not as our Prime Minister, Charlouze Michel
>>70097467
I would rather die then become a muslim
>>70097502
>>70096503
>>70096562
>>70096962
>ad hominem
better consult the posts i was referring before shitposting
>>70097641
That's the answer I wanted to hear, personally!
And I'm happy that it came from a fellow citizen!
>>70097577
Khomeini has a way of stealing your revolution out from under you. I'm sure the Supreme leader could even stump the Trump.
He's sending us off, to spread the Islamic Revolution far and wide.
>>70097753
I would probably go out with a bang if they tried to convert us like going out and killing as many of them as i can.
>>70097830
with your guns no doubt.
>>70097864
such a badass
>>70095563
A couple of videos that explains how islam which claims to be the correct version of the bible with the sira hadiths and qu'ran, is incorrect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RySdPdLRxtg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmtNqJ5wC2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaW4EpLAk3k
>>70097864
A tomahawk isn't that bad.
Do you think Hezbollah takes in untrained Americans?
>>70095563
>Personally /pol/, how can you be so sure that you'll never, in your life time, accept islam as a religious or social model?
Because Judaism is bullshit and judaic god is a false god. This invalidates both Christianity and Islam.
>>70097898
Thank's for the videos, will watch them in detail.
Also, I've head a lot of responses from christians who debunked theologically islam and Mohammad.
But for me the problem is not theological, but mainly social.
Why there are so little conversion from muslims to christianity? I think it's mostly because next to islam as a religion, there is Islam which is the religion made itself community, society, history.
Christianity in the West is a weak religion, which has some efficiency in the private life of individuals.
Islam is "more appealing" because not only it encourages faith, but also gives a structure and some sort of social law to the whole nation/world.
I fear that islam cannot be destroyed only by articulate theological arguments.
>>70097928
Does your government know you own a battle axe? At least have it registered?
>>70096781
well i made your graph cuck i hope your happy
this is where your pussy cuck country will end up in 30-40 years
>>70097967
why Iran has a vagina on its flag?
>>70098475
better to masturbate to Persian nationalism than western pornography.
>>70098464
no shit mate!
Hence my "problematic" question...
>>70095563
Why do we *need* to accept any religion? Religion is unnecessary in modern society, it's only useful as a symbol to unite behind. Besides, Scientology is also rising in popularity in the West. Should we 'accept' them, too?
I'm not saying that literally everyone should become atheist, but the times where religion was an important driving force of a country's political climate should be in the past.
>>70095563
the true faith is catholicism and the better europe get back to it, the better it is
>>70095563
I'm an atheist so no religion for me ever thank you
Also "Islam", the word nauseates me
>>70098591
>Religion is unnecessary in modern society
this lie will be the death of Europe.
People need a spiritual outlet and they'll get it one way or another
>>70098760
we already have SJW and feminism for that, no need for islam too
>>70098778
He who smelt it, dealt it...
>>70098591
>should be
but it is not necessary in the past.
Personally, I see a lot of analogies between the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of Christianity and the fall of Western civilization and the smug rise of islam.
History is a dynamic process and I don't believe that there is a "right" side of the history and a linear teleology.
History is a clash of several forces (religious, political, cultural,...) and at several moments, one or a sum of couple forces hold a position of dominance.
"Personne est à l'abri des nouveaux modes de pensées".
With a decline of the West and the power of Islam, what should we do (or accept as primordial values/concepts)
1 Should we fight to the end? (Hold the position of westerners to the end?) The Spengler position
OR
2 Should accept that history is dynamic and understand that Empires are not eternal and thus, accept that maybe, one day, we'll enter in a new religious and social era.
OR
3 There is no explicit pattern of decline and if 2 is correct, we can fight back and win
>>70095563
you got it wrong mehmet, our social conditioning and laws currently keep us from behaving like adherents to your cancerous ideology disguised as religion
after the pendulum swings the other way, we'll take heed of our natural defensive instincts and do whatever needs to be done, it will be glorious for us and devastating for you
>>70098899
They think they're progressive, but their belief system is self destructive. There's nothing to moderate behavior. Even attempting to moderate behavior with good intentions is dismissed as abuse.
Suicide is championed, the nuclear family is despised.
Progressive liberalism doesn't survive the second or third generation.
Religion has the best chances for preserving a family line. Secular society has offered nothing but Nihilism and awaiting our inevitable demise.
>>70099316
Stupid Slovenian, you don't understand the specificity of the question and the problems which so many civilizations dealt in the history of human kind...
see
>>70099180
But you're acting on this thread as the dumb Slovenian as you are => me=good, you=enemy
The best thing your nation produced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glu9wA4HjE0&nohtml5=False
>>70095563
When you truly (completely and objectivel) try to look at happenings going on daily in the world, you have to be struck with the thought that we cannot possibly be on a good evolutionary trajectory. There is no possible way we are not headed for a massive "correction". Our behaviors are insane compared to other species of life on the planet.
>>70099667
back2desert shitskin, you are the enemy because you make yourself an enemy
>The best thing your nation produced
Laibach is shit, why don't you read up on Jožef Štefan, Jurij Vega, Rudolf Maister, Jože Plečnik, Edvard Rusjan, France Prešeren, Josip Broz, Ivan Cankar, Božidar Jakac, Rihard Jakopič, Primož Trubar, Janez Trdina, Herman Potočnik, Bojan Adamič, Jakob Gallus Petelin, Franc Miklošič, Janez Strnad etc etc etc
>>70095563
Becuase im not a fucking idiot, i will never just spontaneously believe in any stupid ass bullshit fairy tale, kill yourself
>>70095563
Because as soon as the one resource that anyone cares about in the middle east is gone they'll fight one another for whats left. Weakening Islam which is intangibly woven into their society.
So reverting back to a bunch of goat fucking camel riders.
>>70098301
>why are there so little conversion away from islam
death penalty under sharia for leaving the faith
pic related
if a muslim in a majority muslim nation wishes to leave islam, he pretty much have to leave the country or risk getting killed..
Inspite of that there's many muslims converting to christianity right now, ofcourse muslims will deny this because they want to keep up the facade that islam is growing tremendously.
Clueless people in the west might be converting to islam due to marriage with a muslim (a muslim woman can't marry a non muslim under sharia, but a muslim man may marry a non muslim woman to convert her and the children to islam).
>>70095563
The Qur'an openly states many times that Allah is the 'best deceiver'. The root word used in these verses is Makr which means deception.
You do not an ideology wrapped up in a religion masquerading as a political entity to be morally strong and socially aware.
>>70100490
(cont)
But middle eastern muslims are converting quite a bit away from islam. But not often reported much.
Also the convert in the west since it's not majority muslim, they can get away with leaving it again aswell, but even in the west many of the ones who choose to join not knowing what they are walking into, if they decide to leave the are often killed in the west aswell..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VepuyvhHYdM this is example of one in the UK, simply for leaving her forced married husband who was beating her to a pulp and finding another guy, she was killed by her family, first her father tried to kill her, she escaped, then some other muslims killed her.
If Islam had the notion that you can just leave the faith whenever you want and no problem.. Islam would be very tiny right now..
>>70100251
how do I make myself the enemy by being concern of the faith of Europe and asking questions that are problematic but not irrelevant?
And if you're so proud of your culture, start translating your authors and exporting their works, rather than putting some names here...
The glue that holds islam together more than anything else, is fear and intimidation and strong repercusions for even questioning your faith and if you even have the notion of trying to leave it.
Very easy to get into Islam, risking your life if you want to get out.
>>70100795
>how do I make myself the enemy by being concern of the faith of Europe and asking questions that are problematic but not irrelevant?
when in Rome do as Romans do; whenever I go to ME on business I don't spread any cancer in oppoosition to local culture and traditions or promote my incompatible way of living or oppose laws or cause violence
never forget that greed for shekels brought you to my continent, if you don't like it, go back to your shithole
>And if you're so proud of your culture, start translating your authors and exporting their works, rather than putting some names here...
library is a building that is home to plethora of books from all over the world, museum is a building that houses works of art, nature and history from all over the world
I strongly suggest you put down that one work of desert fiction you read up on daily and visit those places sometime
>>70100881
Thanks for the video. And yes, the problem of violence towards apostasy in islam is never an issue in the West (violence, accepted tacitly by regressive leftists and liberals).
Couple of years ago, I went out with a girl from a Moroccan family. She was atheist even if her father was religious (she was hiding from him that she wasn't virgin). The girl was cool and was acting like a westener. When we were walking on the streets of Brussels, we were always harassed by muslims. Behind our backs, we could hear that they were insulting her for being with me and that she was not veiled. The sad part was that she was used to it.
>>70101232
sorry man, you are completely insane...
>>70101356
nice ad-hom, you sure showed me
>>70095563
No one believes that shite.
>>70100490
>dat sample size
they doing a strawpoll on muslim version of /pol/?
>>70101396
For fuck's sake, all your opinion is based on an ad-hominem presumption! That I'm from the desert, that I'm not integrated (by causing violence and opposing the laws, Where I said that???). Then, your brain spills that I have greed for shekels!? And that I read desert fiction?
All you position is based on ad-hominem.
Also, they are false! Look up and see my other posts here.
If you're not insane for telling me that i'm from the desert and that i came to this continent for shekels, than this is a bait...
>>70101417
unfortunately, yes...
>>70095563
You do not consider Islam, you exterminate it. Listen to me, I live under a very mild islam, pedos and thieves run everywhere. You will under stand what I mean in a very few years
>>70102002
you'll have to join us in the extermination then (and as a Turk, you have to advertise in the West, the downfalls of islam). And you'll have to be quick too, because I don't believe that Erdogan is interested in preserving a "mild" form of islam
>>70095563
NEVER SYMPATHIZE WITH GOATFUCKERS
NEVER ISLAM
>>70102221
I have dreams where concentration camps are set up across mudslime lands and I personally decide who lives and who becomes soap. Seeing imams and alike crying for help in gas chambers... I wake up with a boner each time.
I hope Donald And Putin make this a reality. Cause Turkish people are dumb as donkeys, Probably because donkey fucking for the past 1k years
>>70101848
>For fuck's sake, all your opinion is based on an ad-hominem presumption!
it might come across that way but my opinion is rooted in reality of many failing western european societies that seem to be unable to deal with the neverending influx of aliens by applying what works for domestic population as universal
>That I'm from the desert, that I'm not integrated (by causing violence and opposing the laws, Where I said that???).
you might not be violent at the moment, however if one takes a look at sources of violence continent-wide, there is a distinct pattern that is islam, the only variable being % between native majority and alien minority
>Then, your brain spills that I have greed for shekels!? And that I read desert fiction?
immigration since post-colonial times was caused by economic reasons that I equate with greed; sure some of those escaped subsequent oppression for adopting ways of their former masters but those are outliers just as there are well-adjusted integrated specimens, but one doesn't form general conclusions based on exceptions
for example I wouldn't even dream of dropping anchor in any other european cunt, no matter how short a timeframe, despite sharing much of my culture and values with them because I'd still feel like an alien; a 100% or 1000% increase in earnings would not change that fact, hence I remain in my native count among my compatriots
>All you position is based on ad-hominem.
nope, it's rooted in reality of repeating behavioral pattern that death cultists exhibit anywhere they find themselves in - among christians, buddhists, hinduists, doesn't matter where
>Also, they are false! Look up and see my other posts here.
see above why I believe they aren't
>If you're not insane for telling me that i'm from the desert and that i came to this continent for shekels, than this is a bait...
I believe I explained myself
since you seem to be heavily into this subject, what kind of solution do you offer?
>>70102701
ok you link a general interpretation of the West to my personal self... I won't bother justifying myself (who am I, what is my family history, what are my intellectual influences, and so on) because it won't be interesting for this topic and it'll only fuel a sterile discussion between us...
>since you seem to be heavily into this subject, what kind of solution do you offer?
Don't have a miraculous method but I have some positions
-Stop massive immigration
by reenforcing the boarders
by rejecting the neo-liberal logic of many foreign workers for less money
by reenforcing the diplomacy with states who let their citizens flee as illegals
-Destroy ethnic ghettos. Deport agents of other countries (imams, politicians, NGO's linked to other states, especially states who are hostile to the european societies)
-Deport foreign criminals with heavy charges (murder, terrorist association)
-Nation preference for work
-Building a cohesive society
by participation for the citizens (building strong citizens as the Switzerland model = military formation, civic values, accessibility to knowledge)
- Building progressively a strong skepticism against Cultural Marxism and moral relativism by building a strong feeling of values and historic necessity
by Academia (without marxism)
by art, literature, architecture (without post-modernism)
>>70103637
most of those are all great, however I think we've long passed the tipping point of reversibility already; former colonial powers fucked up majorly by granting citizenship to aliens, guest workers and their children; one cannot deport its own citizens - where would they go? nobody would take them
the way we've been headed since then can lead to no other outcome than actual clash of the civs, if you like; I don't expect any alien to give up the generous gibs that are transfered from the natives or even ever-dwindling freedoms that are still centuries ahead of their ancetral homelands
>>70095563
Why would Islam be true?
Give me a good argument in one post, or live the rest of your life in shame before Allah.
>>70104818
yes, unfortunately the clash of the civilisations is our most probable future. The West undermined the resentment and hate towards it coming from its old colonies. But nevertheless, I hope that if there are western values which are solid and proudly put forward, that citizens from non-european origins could be our allies against "citizens" that are hostile against these same values.
You are right for saying that the diversity made things difficult nowadays. But maybe, if we stand together behind solid values, well-established moral and institutions with nation interests, maybe this diversity of race will be subsumed in an national/continental unity.
Let them to express themselves if they want to take part of the "european experience" or not (thus, making a line of demarcation).
>This meaning clashes
But maybe it's the most lucid battle we have to fight, a battle for our values and for new european enlightenment
>>70095563
Islam is getting stronger because our society is falling apart like Rome did. It's even almost the same causes.
>>70106331
I suggest you this book, written by a professor of my uni
http://www.amazon.de/Auf-dem-Weg-ins-Imperium/dp/3944305450
>>70106167
you're cool with me anon, I hope the natives don't mistake you for the enemy (if you happen to look like them)
>>70095563
>Personally /pol/, how can you be so sure that you'll never, in your life time, accept islam as a religious or social model?
Already accepted islam and converted several years ago.
>>70095563
>convert to islam
>become a righteous and diligent muslim
>earn muzzies trust
>decades later, be a respected muslim scholar
>smuggle nuke into mecca
>fuck their shit up
>>70097306
>I took the example of Paul who was against Christianity, but became one of the most radical christians
You could use the example of Daniel Streich, one of the founders of the Anti-islamic party of Switzerland. He ended up becoming muslim as well.
>>70097388
>A true religion wouldn't need to lie, because that would make it by its very essence, untrue.
"And, do not cloak (and confuse) the truth with falsehood. Do not suppress the truth knowingly." (The Noble Quran, 2:42)
"And for those who launch a charge against their spouses, and have (in support) no evidence but their own,- their solitary evidence (can be received) if they bear witness four times (with an oath) by God that they are solemnly telling the truth; And the fifth (oath) (should be) that they solemnly invoke the curse of God on themselves if they tell a lie. But it would avert the punishment from the wife, if she bears witness four times (with an oath) By God, that (her husband) is telling a lie; (The Noble Quran, 24:6-8)"
"God give thee grace! why didst thou grant them until those who told the truth were seen by thee in a clear light, and thou hadst proved the liars? (The Noble Quran, 9:43)"
"If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of God on those who lie!" (The Noble Quran, 3:61)"
"And there are those who put up a mosque by way of mischief and infidelity - to disunite the Believers - and in preparation for one who warred against God and His Apostle aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good; But God doth declare that they are certainly liars. (The Noble Quran, 9:107)"
"Ah! they will know on the morrow, which is the liar, the insolent one! (The Noble Quran, 54:26)"
>>70105515
Because God demands that you submit to him, all Prophets have said it.
>>70107171
no worry mate, take care!
>>70107691
Didn't know the guy, thanks for the info.
And if it's true that you converted yourself, will you tell us your story? What made you accept islam?
