We should teach other /pol/acks how to argue with lefties so we can try to turn the tide, offer tips and tricks.
One of my favorite ones is to shrug off any "moral" argument simply by proving that moral arguments are subjective nonsense because there's no "right" or "wrong" outside of what you prefer it to be. I've done this a couple of times and it sets them in a repeating loop because they can't get around it.
Bern victims are especially retarded when it comes to arguing about illegal immigrants, tell them that if we removed the illegal immigrants (less then 3,49% of the population iirc) the unemployed (4% or so) could fill the spots in and be paid more, allowing the US citizens to buy more and so on and so forth.
Pic Unrelated
bump 2
bump 3
bump 4
self bumping swedcuck is bad but...
I like this idea, the Jehovas's Witness boys do this and they can rip most "christians" to shreds about the bible. We could do it here. Imagine /pol/ a place of teaching and sharing.
...andshitposting....mostlystillshitposting
>>70094899
you can't bump your own threads
>>70095017
yes
>>70095022
Sorry but the thread would have been buried otherwise, this thread has some actual value too.
>>70095157
I agree, but I meant it literally - your posts won't bring your thread up, that's why I gave it a bump myself, here's another one.
Turning the moral relativism against them.. i like it.
bump for justice
>>70093220
The only problem I see with your proposed idea is that arguing implies that one side is trying to persuade the other into an agreement of sorts. The issue with this is that most leftist are so dead-set to their state of mind that any form of facts or evidence that would change that is immediately discarded and/or completely ignored.
Anyways, i'll add this:
According to the Art of War by Sun Tzu, which is applicable in more then just warfare, you should attack the weakest points, such as outposts and so on, which would be relative to minor shit that the opponent brings up in the argument, destroying these points will fragment the argument pretty much. You never aim for the big fish in the pond first.
It also says that you will force them to hunt you, which means you shall lay out bait and lure them into creating their own weakness.
Also when you engage them in moral arguments, you can turn their own morality against them, since our morality (Mine is that i find noneuropeans and nonasians inconsequential because they have zero to no power outside of a few select resources and their people are worthless shits) is different, you can target their very common "empathetic" and "globalistic" morality while they can't attack yours, it's more or less Sun Tzu's saying "You will be close but till untouchable"
>>70095979
This is why we must spread it all across the rightwing, they can fight back coherently which means they will behave like fools. Exposing themselves.
>>70096015
With the "force them to hunt you" part i imply that you can derail and crash their argument by trying to get them to jump onto a new point that will create their weakness, what it is will be up to you, but usually it works. Drag out the conflict and they will get tired.
>>70095979
You're arguing for the sake of the lurkers. It's enough when you make your opponent look like a fool.
>>70093220
In my experience is pointless, it's no different from arguing with a wall [insert meme] and the rare occasions where they realize they are wrong the mental gymnastic Olympics starts and start malfunctioning until they shut it down
>Educate yourself
>You are a racist/bigot/uncle tom/misogynist/x-phohic/etc.
People should avoid arguing with lefties unless there is a public watching, you can't change those retards but you can influence the opinion of those trapped in the middle.
>>70096337
Of course, i myself encountered some faggot redditor who i annihilated but the second after i dominated him in moral arguments he kept saying that i was "silly" and attacking me personally.
Naturally i was confused since i was alike... them, before i went here, meaning i have some experience with how they make their points.
>>70093220
>you need tips for arguing with a leftist
You only need a functioning brain,eloquence and basic grasp on rhetoric. Fucking Svencuck
Muslims are not PC in anyway whatsoever. That has helped me tremendously when arguing with libtards. The things that come out of Muslim mouths...definitely priceless. Everything from fags should be executed in the streets to questionable marriage practices like polygamy and beating non-obedient women. I don't even have to say it, I just let the Muslims do the talking for me and then watch these idiots try to defend a lot of my own points of view for me because it came from a refugee.
Also I have found they all virtue signal like mother fuckers. If I can somehow get my argument to hold the moral high ground like women's rights vs refugee rights then they sound like a Nazi opposing it. Cologne rapes, Sweden shutting down dual sex bathhouses, Germany with their female and child only train cars etc.
And I tell them to check their fucking privilege like 24/7. Seriously anytime they say something about how minorities are oppressed I ask them how the fuck they would you know anything about oppression as WHITE MALES. If I can get them to admit they have privilege they usually shut up and listen to whatever else I have to say.
Basically they are idiots with serious cognitive dissonance issues who have already set up the mechanism for me to be able to silence them the same way they do me. Example: You support illegal immigration, don't you know that affects black communities more than anyone else and is ruining their ability to grow financially, what are you racist? Are you fucking racist you literal Nazi? It makes me sick to say things like that but you can only argue with them on the terms they have set up or they'll just shut you out. Best wishes from a burger and keep up the tips.
>>70096448
This is also why you should outlast them, i learn from observing, and you get tired of their opponent when they start acting like a faggot so it's simple to just act like a smug shit and try to piss them off if they enter that stage. Eventually they will leave out of being tired.
>>70096554
no, we're just here to come up with methods to force them to fuck off, taking their own battlefield from them.
>>70096590
This is what i was talking about with "being close but still untouchable"
you mock their own morality and use it against them, since we /pol/acks hold an older and more "tribal" morality system, caring about europeans above others, it means we cannot be fucking damaged by those moral high ground arguments.
>>70096590
lol why is phil fish there
>>70096700
>>70096600
check em
>>70093220
lmao redpilling leftists is impossible. You can shove them in as many facts as you want, they won't change their opinion.
Those which you can convince are the ones in the middle, the moderates.
>>70096814
The moderates and the lurkers, yes.
It means that we need to dominate because people naturally support the dominating ones.
>>70096862
Sounds like impossible in Sweden.
>>70097056
No, you can try to beat that shit into their heads and it will linger on eventually. There are a lot of moderates here since the "conservative" party who are moderates, what a surprise, have some 20% of the vote along with 5% or so for the smaller conservatives, it is perfectly possible to bring these over as it was at the start of the refugee crisis due to sweden suffering from the intake until we put a stop to it. They've calmed the media for now but we're still suffering from it.
>>70095756
it's pretty easy to do since they never count on it.
>>70096015
This shows you debate to win not learn anything or inform anyone. That's no debate at all.
>>70096337
this
There is honestly no point in trying. I have given them every possible fact with sources in history and they still just call me racists and run away or scream at me.
I have given up and just decided that there is no hope unless something magical happens.
>>70097147
Well but you do realize it's not just "putting a stop" to it in Sweden? Sweden is so much fucked you have to turn around 180 degrees and fix the whole fucking country which will take years. It's not just a matter of changing the opinion of some people.
>>70093220
The majority of leftists I've talked to, including some friends, are literally impossible to reason with. They've already made their minds up (had their minds made up for them by MSM and kikebook memes). Plus people seem more narcissistic and self-centered than ever, so in their minds there's no way on earth that they could ever be wrong. Even if they know they are, they'll never admit it, and continue on with their misguided beliefs out of pride.
That being said, I just hit them with memes and infographics from here even if they're not completely sourced and I'm skeptical of them myself. We live in an age of meme warfare, swedenguy.
>>70097524
You have to tackle the small fish to tackle the big.
>>70097375
I debate to win (the debate, in which i mean come up on top or show dominance) and inform, it's pretty simple, you do it naturally anyways.
>>70093220
>How to argue with lefties
You don't. You will never convince them anyway, so tailoring your answer to their statements is pointless. The actual target of your arguments should be everyone who is listening in on the conversation and hasn't decided on a position yet.
Use their own weapons against them.
There is a book called "The Thinker's Guide to Fallacies: The Art of Mental Trickery"
It explains 44 kinds of fallacies, which will not only help you to detect and counter them, but also to use them to win an argument. The average liberal is usually too stupid to detect one anyway.
>>70097760
And then they'll call you a racist. Good game you lose.
>>70097944
Is this counterable by calling them a racist first?
>>70097760
You can bait them into using a lot of them and then calling them out on it. But if they respond depends on the one you're arguing with. If it's the factual "redditor" type then it will mostly work, if it's the average normalfag then it might be a bit harder.
>>70097944
Simply pre-establish that their own argument is racist or bigoted in some form, unknowingly to them like >>70096590 said
>>70097944
This fallacy is also included in the book. It could be classified either as Guilt By Association, or Ad Hominem.
And like >>70096590 said, you can use it against them, which is pretty amusing.
>>70098045
>>70098075
They already ended the discussion. You are a racist. You lost mate.
>>70098106
They ended the discussion on their terms, not on ours, therefor it's still on for us.
>>70098106
Thanks to them using that argument for even he most irrelevant shit it is very quickly using its shock value though.
I mean, most people will still condemn it in public, but that is more lip service than anything else.
>>70098106
Now that I think about it, you could be right. After they decide in their mind, that "you are a racist", they probably won't even listen to anything else you say.
Well then, the trick could be to say "racist" first.
You have to be a sneaky fucker. You don't go full DONALD TRUMP MAGA HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED.
You question what they think they know. You prove that something they read online or saw on news was false. You ease them in and then drop a politically incorrect opinion. If they go along with it you're winning them over ever so slightly. You nudge them in the right direction. Be gentle, these people are mentally still kids.
If they flip out there's a backup strategy that has always worked for me. You ask them ''Are you always right? Are you correct on 100% of the time?''. Keep asking it until they admit that they aren't right 100% of the time. You get them to admit that there's a chance that they might be wrong. Now you can calmly explain why they are wrong.
>>70098351
But that just means we can take the opportunity to tell the lurkers that this is what a leftist is: a brain dead faggot.
>forced to come up with ways of arguing with literal retards
>political discourse
We truly are fucked, aren't we lads?
>>70093220
Number 1 tip.
Stay calm at all times.
When two people are arguing about anything (doesn't matter what) if one person is frothing at the mouth and shouting observers will tend to side with the person that appears to be in control of their emotions - assuming they are not already sold on one side.
>>70097569
>I just hit them with memes and infographics from here even if they're not completely sourced and I'm skeptical of them myself.
>>70098245
It's like a game where you are playing against the end boss but he has the ultimate weapon. No matter how much you damage him, he will always win.
And if he calls you racist, the other people around will also not listen to you anymore.
>>70098525
That's why you need to pre-establish that he himself is a racist or that his point doesn't matter.
It's like a person arguing for racism and then the people say that he's racist in response.
>>70098511
It depends. Some people follow the dominant person and will see you as a weakling.
>>70098654
It would also imply that the moderates are that brain dead.
>>70098654
How do you make someone who is pro immigration look racist?
>inb4 le white genocide
>>70098525
>>And if he calls you racist, the other people around will also not listen to you anymore.
Bullshit. They might announce that they side with the other person because of said statement, but that is simply a lip service because they are afraid of being labeled a racist, too. It does not mean that they are truly convinced by it and when push comes to shove, it is not guaranteed to influence which side they take.
>>70098735
Their immigration might be bad for another minority.
I think you are vastly overestimating the stupidity of lefties, sure they're stupid but they're not that fucking dense that calling somebody racist will stop every argument.
>>70098450
Yes, it is effective to make them start to doubt just how much they know about what they're saying.
>oh trump's a fascist? how do you define a fascist?
>ask them the difference between socialism and capitalism
>ask them any economic question since 99% of people don't know shit
You don't even have to know the answers yourself. Just show them exactly how ignorant they are, and how they are just parroting what it said to them in the media.
>>70098833
also if they say anything about him being hitler then you have the liberty of asking them to provide proof since they have the burden of proof, if it's insufficient then you can disregard it.
>>70098735
In Germany actually simple as fuck. Because the left spewed a lot of hatred when the refugee crisis initially started, back then it was mostly Eastern Europeans who came here. Just say they hate gypsies.
You can also pull the card that they are only taking in those who are strong and ruthless enough to illegally make it to your country, while they abandon women and children to live in refugee camps in shitholes like Turkey and Jordan. The more eloquent speakers of the AfD are rather successfully making use of that argument, taking a pro-refugee stance while at the same time being significantly more anti-refugee than the other parties.
>>70096015
>(Mine is that i find noneuropeans and nonasians inconsequential because they have zero to no power outside of a few select resources and their people are worthless shits
Kill yourself, yellow fetishist.
>>70097760
calling someone out for using a fallacy is a fallacy. see pic related
>>70098889
My go-to is something like
>oh trump is hitler you say?
>do you agree that bernie has self identified as socialists?
>and do you know what Nazism is short for?
Doesn't matter if it's a valid argument. They think Bernie and picture socialism. Then when you explain that Hitler was a "national socialist" (they won't know that fact, most likely), it's pretty hard for them to get past that
There's a very good saying that i remember... "Never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake"
Do not alert them to their fallacies, completely stop them from knowing what they are doing wrong.
>>70098810
I've debated many leftists and it looks like you've only debated weak retards or people who finally just agreed with you to make you shut up because you were annoying as fuck.
I asked them why import these refugees if they are against gays and other minorities. They respond with not everyone is like that.
Seriously there is no fucking way.
>>70098785
You as a German should know the effect of the word "racist" and "nazi". That's the ultimate triggering in the people. Look at Trump or politicans in Germany. They label them as racist and people automatically hate them.
>>70098937
>The more eloquent speakers of the AfD are rather successfully making use of that argument
And still AfD is a minority and the average German elects CDU / CSU (pro immigration)
"are you so privileged that you want illegals to come in and you don't even want to recognise that blacks and minorities suffer the most from illegal immigration while having no effect on you? how can you be so racist?"
>>70098965
Poor fucking dog.
>>70099182
This is pretty cash right here.
>>70098965
I'm going to lol hard if these pricks run into Isis.
>>70098965
Asians have an impact on western economy though, definately consequential.
>>70099167
>And still AfD is a minority
Third biggest party in a lot of polls actually and still rising while everyone else keeps losing votes.
>the average German elects CDU / CSU
The average retired person does so. The CDU has the oldest voter base of all parties and real problems to motivate younger people to vote for them, which means time is definitely not playing in their favor.
>>70099167
>asked them why import these refugees if they are against gays and other minorities. They respond with not everyone is like that.
Same shit happened to me. How do you even argue with people that will deny that deeply religious Islamists are not all like that?
>>70099167
Ask them how the middle-east fares when it comes to gay/female rights. What is the punishment for being gay? What is the punishment for being an atheist? Since there is actual statistics about this then it means that a majority IS like that, and it's proven already.
>>70093220
I've never found logic to be very persuasive to the average leftist. Their beliefs are based on emotions and fear, so you isolate them and argue with emotions.
There's a moment in a discussion on ethics in war, where the group is talking about the hypothetical question of what an American journalist should do when he's with the enemy and they come across American soldiers. Do they warn the soldiers that they're about to be ambushed or do they film it happening?
Peter Jennings, a reporter, starts out kind of going back and forth on it before deciding that he probably would warn the Americans in some way. Mike Wallace, the other reporter, admonishes him gently, saying all this junk about the importance of journalism, journalistic integrity, blahblahblah, and Jennings changes his answer to agree with Wallace. Other people come in, and they all debate it intellectually in neutral terms.
Then Colonel Connell comes in after like, 12 minutes of discussion and says,
>I'm filled with utter contempt. The next day, these two go out, and they get ambushed. And they're going to want us to come rescue them. Why. They're just journalists. They're not Americans. And we'll do it, and that's what makes me contemptuous. Marines will die to rescue them.
Jennings and Wallace are BTFO. Wallace is looking down and Jennings is leaning forward and town toward Connell. It worked because they thought that they were taking the high ground, and Connell knocked it out from under them. He said that you're a coward, and you're cut off from the group. BTFO
https://www.learner.org/resources/series81.html#
It's video 7, Under Orders, Under Fire II. Question comes up at like 33 minutes in, Connell comes in like 10 minutes later.
>>70099394
Ask them why women walk around covered up and there's never gay pride parades in those countries if these hateful/extremist mudslimes are only a minority?
>>70099456
>Ask them how the middle-east fares when it comes to gay/female rights. What is the punishment for being gay? What is the punishment for being an atheist?
Yes there is punishment. But these are extremist. The refugees are actually FLEEING that, don't you get it?? None of these refugees are like that.
t. leftist
>>70098889
The Hitler claim is just funny. It should be flat out mocked.
Stop treating it like a serious argument. It's just funny. If you compared Bernie Sanders to Josef Stalin you'd be laughed at. You'd be mocked. Never mind that it's a much better comparison, nevermind that Hitler has more in common with Sanders than Trump.
You just don't fall for this shit. Mock it. Either laugh at it or agree and amplify.
>>70095936
Bump for peace
>>70099555
Checked.
Maybe...
>then why shouldn't these people stay and fight for their country? us providing refuge only hands these countries over to the extremists who will kill and rape and burn (be graphic) the innocent people left there.
Basically find any way to work it back around to someone getting raped or killed and tortured, and make your viewpoint the one that's trying to prevent it.
Fuck, idk...this is why I try not to argue with them. I end up getting stumped if i'm not allowed to use logic in the discussion.
>>70093220
OP,when you present "tips and tricks",ALWAYS include examples.
When you're talking about " attack the weakest points" or " force them to hunt you",write a realistic example of the argument you're having with a leftist.
>>70099555
Then the entirety of the middle-east is extremist, which means it's not extremist at all, but the norm. Not a single middle-eastern state (with the exception of Israel I suppose) allow gays or women any rights that can even be compared to the west. They also refused to sign the UN declaration of human rights, saying that Sharia law comes before any "man-made" laws.
And how come there is not a single christian state left in the region it was born in?
>>70093220
But how do we argue with rightsy?
>>70093220
I needed this thread, thank you based Sven.
You have to be the kind of person that people aspire to be. They came to be liberal because of emotional reasons, so even if you are perfectly logical it won't matter if you are disheveled, ugly, desperate, angry, etc. People ultimately remember how you made them feel, not what you said. Most liberals are whiny and effeminate, if you can be a self confident, successful role model then people will want to be like you, especially since being against you means being whiny and effeminate.
You want to be a successful person, fit, dress well, be playful, be self confident. TRP is a good starting point, even though the main focus is sex.
"illegal immigrants don't have documentation and that means employers can pay them close to nothing. why do you prefer illegal immigrants making close to zero to giving minorities and blacks a decent living wage? do you want them to live on the streets so you can give them money and feel better about yourself? how can you be so bigoted and self centered?"
Zeiger's Hammer of the Patriot.
Google it, very first hit is the PDF that's free.
Essentially it is a compilation of a lot of SJW/leftist arguments and how to destroy them. p gud. i think the real tactic is to meme hard so they can't enable stupidity via facebook and other social media.
>>70099132
That's pretty good actually, they will never adapt to it if they don't know what they are doing wrong.
Use their ignorance to your advantage instead so you can avoid this >>70099035
>>70100065
Thank you! I'll take that into account when i try to make a copypasta that i can use to make more of these threads with, knowledge is power.
>>70099555
>Yes there is punishment. But these are extremist. The refugees are actually FLEEING that, don't you get it?? None of these refugees are like that.
>t. leftist
You can't have it both ways. We're either part of the world, or we're a separate country. You can't pick and choose how you feel on different days, depending on how convenient it is.
If you think it's noble to offer help to the people lucky enough to make it out, you're wrong. If you think wringing your hands and watching a big chunk of the Middle East depopulate means that you're a good person, or that you really care, you're wrong.
Syria's either our problem or it isn't. If it's not, then they can stay there and figure it out themselves. If it is, then what they're trying to escape is our problem, and we need to fix it.
Sitting by and watching millions and millions of people leaving a country, with more and more every day isn't noble. Syria has a population of 22 million. How many people need to leave before you'll do something? 5 million? 10 million? 15? Either do something about it or leave it alone. You can't have it both ways.
>>70095979
The way I see it we aren't arguing to convince the lefties themselves, its to convince the bystanders that they don't have to be cucked and that there's always a counterpoint to the shite these people are always coming out with.
Remind libs that the "oppression" done by the west in the third-world (and thus it's our responsibility to take care of the fallout) is solely done by the same people they would call liberals or neo-cons.
Those they would call racists are the ones who just want to mind their own business. The calling card of liberals and neo-cons is globalism, and in that system, anyone who is not part of the elite will suffer. The 99% to be exact.
Do you think Marine Le Pen or Geert Wilders want to fuck around in Iraq? Healthy nationalism is equal to minding your own goddamn business, because you see to your own people first. It is when capital starts to control the nation, and the priorities of the country move outwards, that oppression starts, both inside and out. That is why America has a trillion dollar deficit and a dying middle-class but still have the most overinflated military in the world, and an agency that actively spies on its own people and its allies, while completely neglecting its internal troubles.
Nationalists coming to power = No more middle-eastern proxy wars.
>>70100452
I bring up a similar point, i don't care about inconsequential people to the west, like the syrians, their moral arguments mean absolutely fucking nothing. In a logical sense they are retarded because they presume that it's efficient to waste time with them.
Remind them that we would have more power if we didn't spend it on helping inconsequential people.
I don't have the confidence to get into a heavy debate with leftists often because I don't always have an intimate understanding of the subject matter.
Eg I'm not going to get into a big debate on leaving the EU because I don't know every subtle EU system and every piece of EU legislation and have an active knowledge of every paper published on the EU function and am probably going to rub in to some leftists who has a phd in economics and will throw up arguments and studies I didn't know existed.
I have my opinions largely on trust that leftists have failed to disprove professional rightists, eg I've not seen anyone ruin Nigel Farage yet but I've seen him ruin plenty of liberals and so trust his stances.
I guess there's no cure for this unless I'm prepared to dedicate all my time/years learning politics and economics and staying current with every published paper so nobody can bring up something I haven't heard of and make me look foolish.
>>70093220
>old bern victim is talking at work
>"trump has said so many ridiculous and absurdly ignorant things"
>everyone starts laughing and agreeing
>I ask ok just name one thing
>they start laughing more
>"I mean come on on anon"
>I say what, just one thing
>he says there are too many to count, then mentions that he lost the entire women vote, and that the 3 women who are voting for him should be shot
>walks away as he says that
Yep, fuck Bern victims.
>>70099570
>Godwins Law
>Stop treating it like a serious argument
Absolutely. Just ridicule them for using it.
I don't know if it works with Berns, but one of my strategies against the "you are Hitler" claim is, I admit it and start playing Hitler in an overstated way.
This changes the discusion most of the time to a friendly banter conversation, sprinkled with positive facts about the Third Reich and laughter.
Works especially well in groups, not so good when you are isolated with the victim.
>>70093220
I do this all the time, it usually results in them yelling shut up and I don't want to talk about this.
They shut down, plug their ears and yell LALALALALA
>>70100986
That means you've won, to the lurkers at least, since if they are that pathetic then their opinion is worth shit. The righteous with always succeed.
>>70096337
It is not pointless.
I have unfluenced many hardcore leftists and made them move towards the centre.
Converting them into /pol/acks should not be your ultimate goal. Shifting their Overton Window is good enough.
Some of my friends (left-leaning couple) actually bought me a "Dummy's guide to racism" type of book as a cheap jab. But I just kept dropping red-pills. Now they are more racists than the average person. What I was telling them and what they are experiencing is starting to coincide. As every /pol/ack knows, once you notice the patterns, it becomes impossible not to see them.
They are not quite at "gass the kikes, race war now" yet, but they are getting there.
>>70101292
Give them Mein Kempf.
>>70094288
>>70094545
>>70094798
you know that you cant bump your own thread?
>>70101292
I agree with this. At best, you can teach them to recognize globalist and multiculturalist efforts. They have to reach /pol/ tier on their own, preferably by browsing /pol/
>>70100669
I know that feel, britbro. Meanwhile, lefty/SJW types will run their mouth off on any subject, even if they have no idea what they're fucking talking about, as long as they feel like they have the moral high ground.
All you have to do is use logic.
Call out their logical fallacies (there always is one) site your sources and be confident. Never use fallacies yourself (ok, you can slip a few ad homs in but make sure they are surrounded by a solid argument).
Eventually they will tun out of steam and just all you a bunch of names.
>>70099035
>calling someone out for using a fallacy is a fallacy
incorrect
that is notwhat the fallacy fallacy is about
dismissing an argument just because it includes a fallacy is a fallacy
stating to your opponent that he is using a fallacy is not
>>70101652
I actually got into an argument with some normalfag who kept being in denial, so i started talking down his throat about how fucking dishonorable and disgusting it was, eventually he fucked off after his arguments crumbled apart.
Forcing your own morality on them also works, but it will take a bit of energy.
>>70101852
You shouldn't directly tell him that he's using one though, you should be aware of the fallacy and act accordingly though, because you aren't supposed to interrupt an enemy while he's making a mistake.
It means they can't learn from their mistake and adapt their argumentation.
>>70101799
>the tolerant left
>>70101937
You don't have to state that its a logical fallacy, just state that they are using buzzwords (ad hom), or are too invested in emotion and arent thinking about the facts (appeal to emotion).
>>70102096
Yes, but never say what they're doing wrong, just ridicule them for it. Since it will make them unable to mend their argument if they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
>>70102163
In one case I actually did, and then they tried to use my tactics against me, but it seems that they didnt even know what an ad hominem was. The poor retard ended up arguing semantics over the fallacy and I gave up.
>>70102326
kek
>>70100529
I have used this argument with a couple of friends (one anarchist, one member of the communist party)
They agree and now they accept nationalism as the correct way of dealing with the globalist elite
>>70102778
Wrong image?
>>70097994
I have stopped calling them out. It just makes them better. Instead I just learn why a fallacy is wrong and make the argument. For instance, the Argument from Authority is a fallacy because even authorities can be wrong. So if someone makes one, I won't call it what it is, but I'll point out that leaders can lie or be honestly mistaken.
>>70099111
I've tried this, numerous times. Bernie's a socialist. The answer is always "No he's not." end of discussion. It is seriously like arguing with a child sticking their fongers in their ears going LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
>>70103288
That's good on you, ameribro.
>>70103384
Mention that Bernie used to be a communist back in the day and link to easy to find sources.
Arguing lesser evils is fun. Then when they try to deny it.... wait! It gets worse!
>>70103732
His adventures with communists are suspicious, yes.
>>70100452
Good post
Well, i will collect the shit in this thread and compile it into a larger post later.
If they bring up how Obama is black, just say that "he's half black half white, so why do we consider him fully black, and not white?"
The niggers usually block you after that
If someone says being against muslims is racists, I ask them if they are a Nazi, because Nazis were the only people who categorized religion as a race (when they made the Nuremberg laws)
wtf sweden youve got a bull to prep what are you doing here talking about american politics
>a guide in wasting your fucking time
yeahhh you're retarded. best of luck in life.
