I support the 2nd Amendment and gun rights, but I just don't see why any person needs a magazine over 10 rounds, or a detachable mag semi auto.
The argument is brought forth that they give gun owners an advantage over criminals, or that they are necessary for self defense. Yet in the vast majority of defensive gun uses (themselves being uncommon), nowhere near 10 shots were fired. There are fewer circumstances where they were needed for lawful defense than the number of people killed in mass shootings with them.
Can someone put forth a valid argument supporting civilian ownership of high-caps and detachable magazine semi-autos without resorting to memery?
Serious answer: not sure why other than convenient
Silly answer: smaller magazine capacity will be a burden upon burgeoning spree shooters
>>70087288
Imagine being the one guy who needs 11 or 12 rounds to protect his daughter from a rapist
>>70087288
The problem lies in having a 'gun culture'. It is literally a culture of violence. Everyone wants to carry their pistol around so they can fantasize about saving the day or taking down bad guys and pretending to be James Bond.
You don't need a full (or semi) auto machine gun. You don't need a 30 round clip.
If you want to hunt, fine. Get a wooden hunting rifle (less dangerous). You don't need an m16.
>I support the 2nd Amendment and gun rights
>but
>'need'
Every fucking time. Just kill yourself.
>>70087288
Duh
>Duh
Duh
>Duh
because the army has them
>NEED
>>70087448
That guy should have spent more time at the range if he can't hit somebody in 10 shots. Hell, he probably shot his daughter while trying.
>>70087288
Learn what negative rights are and then come back.
>>70087288
because it doesn't affect you.
Let me have as much as I fucking want.
>>70087288
Because all of the government troops that can be used to oppress you have high capacity magazines. Also all the organized crime has high capacity magazines. Any invading force will have high capacity magazines.
Foreign and domestic threats are a lot more terrifying than a crazy guy with an AR-15. And if your population isn't armed they will flood your communities with Muslims in order to divide your communities and change your voting patterns. And you will have no access to guns, and they will.
The argument boils down to the fact that every force that poses a threat to your freedom will have access to high capacity magazines.
Because it's not just for self defense.
It's also in the event that our government became so corrupt that we the people needed to overthrow it yet again.
>hur dur you could never do that muh tanks muh planes
Let's consider
>66% of the military comes from red states
>you can't use tanks and planes. You know the shit storm that occurs when "innocent" civilian Muslims are killed? Image that with innocent Americans that are gunned down in the crossfire of rebels and the feds. All hell would break loose.
>repubs have the guns
>repubs grow the food
>repubs control the major choke points of the nation
My Grandfather a general in the airforce had nightmares of this shit.
So yes, we need anything and everything to be MILITARY grade ready if that should occur.
Also, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
I dont really understand the ban on full auto. Very few ppl can control a full auto even with bursts. Most of their shots would be high and they would run out faster.
>Defending self
>Need to use all rounds do to anxiety affecting aim/multiple attackers
>run out of rounds
>get killed
>Rampage killer
>Only a few rounds left
>Pick a good spot and time
>Reload
>laughingcho.jpg
Also your pic is a standard capacity mag, not high capacity.
The second amendment was created to set up a giant fighting force able to protect the nation from foreign attacks and with all the most modern weaponry available.
Do you understand why we NEED high cap mags, and full autos? It's not a hard concept to follow
>>70087288
>>70087448
>>70087482
>>70087495
Fuck's sake burgs this want > need shit is supposed to be what you're good at. If you've got such raging nightmares about standard cap mags come over why don't you come over for some dudeweed.
>>70087741
Fuck, due, not do.
>>70087288
>Yet in the vast majority of defensive gun uses (themselves being uncommon), nowhere near 10 shots were fired
Then what's the fucking problem, you asshole?
>>70087288
I own 20 full size 30 round AR magazines.
It's completely futile to ban standard capacity magazines because retro-active bans do nothing to curb possession and only creates demand to horde them.
The winning move here is not to play.
its a fucking box and spring. you can't fucking get rid of it. Assuming it was a good idea to make "HIGH CAPACITY BABY KILLER MAGS" illegal, ps its not, It wouldnt do shit any way because ITS A FUCKING BOX AND SPRING.
I thought it was America's fight against government tyranny thing so the public and government had a some what even playing field in case of a rebellion. It's also really annoying how people assume AR style rifles are more dangerous because they look scary even though most wooden rifles fire immensely more powerful rounds.
>I support gun rights but why don't you support restricting gun rights?
Every fucking time
>>70087288
When my uncles home was invaded by five armed men, his 30 round mags came in pretty damn handy. Ran through a mag and a half. He would be dead along with his two children if he were limited by mag capacity. He killed three and wounded two of them by himself. He only took one bullet.
>>70087288
>I just don't see why any person needs a magazine over 10 rounds
That's because you're a god damned liar and you don't actually support the 2nd amendment at all.
You're BTFO forever. Also sage and hide, this is daily bait you can tell because OP was a drive-by.
Eight chan slash bmw
they are bringing the daily bait
>>70087288
>need
>>70087288
Why do you need a gas tank in your vehicle bigger than 1 gallon?
The vast majority of commutes are under 15 miles. You don't need all that extra fuel.
>>70087288
>I support using passwords but I don't see why any person needs more than 4-number pin.
>>70087482
JIDF plz go.
>>70087856
No. It has more to do with repelling foreign invaders/hostile countries.
Remember we just got done kicking Britain out and we knew they would come back for more. Also just in case any other European power wanted to invade us we would be ready for them.
>>70087288
It's more convenient and restricting freedoms because a criminal element exists in society does not make sense if we are to remain a free society
So many cucks in this thread. So sad!
>>70087288
You'd be surprised how fast 10 rounds go.
>>70087482
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>clip
>>70087288
can you give evidence that shooting a group of people with 3 ten round magazines is significantly harder than shooting a single 30 round magazine? Can you give evidence that this would save even a single life? is this evidence compelling enough to spend the millions of dollars lost in banning them?
>There are fewer circumstances where they were needed for lawful defense than the number of people killed in mass shootings with them.
do you even have a source on this in particular? with the recent popularity of the AR-15 for home defense, i seriously doubt its a legitimate claim.
>>70087288
>need
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>70087482
If you wouldn't of put "(less dangerous)" your b8 would be mess obvious.
>>70087482
>Get a wooden hunting rifle (less dangerous)
For a second there I thought the post was serious, that was great bait.
>>70087288
in·fringe
inˈfrinj/
verb
past tense: infringed; past participle: infringed
actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.).
"making an unauthorized copy would infringe copyright"
synonyms: contravene, violate, transgress, break, breach; More
disobey, defy, flout, fly in the face of;
disregard, ignore, neglect;
go beyond, overstep, exceed;
infract
"the statute infringed constitutionally guaranteed rights"
antonyms: obey, comply with
act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on.
"his legal rights were being infringed"
synonyms: restrict, limit, curb, check, encroach on; More
>>70088152
less*
>>70087770
It's bill of rights, not bill of needs, what do you not understand?
>>70087288
>need
please just fucking stop.
>>70087288
I know you said no memery, but this is why.
>>70087288
Because there are a lot of corrupt politicians?
>>70087288
You don't need to be a whiny lil bitch either and yet you are.
>>70088446
You're executing high-risk search warrants and hostage rescue situations? alright, pham.
More likely it is a case of pic related
This is my gun, it holds 12+1 (13) rounds of .45 freedom bullets. One for each of the original 13 colonies. If it held only 10 it would hold a significant lower amount of freedom.
Also Trump 2016.
>>70087288
>talks about high capacity
>posts standard capacity ar mag
Bbbbbbbbbbbbbait
>>70087553
Kek m9
>>70087770
>want > need
No, it's rights > 'need'
>>70087288
Why do cops need them? Why does the military need them? Because they are effective. Why would I want to hamstring myself during a critical situation?
The 2nd amendment does not exist for target shooting out hunting. It exists so the people can keep the government in check.
PS. It is a *standard* capacity. Anything less is a reduced capacity.
>>70088555
Why wouldn't you want the best tool you could get?
>>70087288
>> bill of needs
The 2nd amendment isn't for criminals, it's for tyranny.
The magazine pictured is a standard capacity magazine.
BTW magazine size doesn't make a huge difference even for someone who isn't really well trained.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCSySuemiHU
tl;dr
No.
>>70087482
The problem lies in "human culture" not "gun culture" . There will always be violence. We adopted gun culture to in order to counter that.
>>70088660
It is not needed and if you gave it up you could spare many lives in mass killings.
>>70087288
Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
>>70088555
funny how aussies think we actually care about what they have to say about anything. they just keep thinking we care or are listening.
>>70088758
You made me cry, I hope you're fucking happy senpai
>>70088758
Cool reply, Ahmed, Want to bring it to the White House?
"Why do you need a fuel tank with a capacity more than 2 liters?"
>>70088555
Actually, it's just common sense.
>>70087288
To protect from an alien invasion.
>>70088035
>americlap education
Guns are to defend against Tyranny. We were a British colony when we rebelled. Allowing citizens to own weapons was clearly to give us power over the government.
When the day comes we will exercise our rights. And it will come at some point in history.
>>70087288
>SHALL
>>70087288
Preventing tyrany. There is the only argument you need. That was the second admendments purpose. So the people could overthrow the government if it became tyrannical.
>>70087288
30 rounds lets me kill 30 hogs instead of 10 in one sitting
people that have guns like to take them to the range. do you have any idea how inconvenient it is to reload every 10 shots AND have to work around a bullet button? it's just stupid.
>>70087288
Because they're more effective in shooting government forces when they try to take away your liberties.
>>70087288
Interestingly, the point of the Second Amendment has nothing to do with self defense, it actually exists for no reason other than to be able to overthrow a tyrannical government if one ever arose and, in addition to guns, it originally covered every weapon imaginable. Private citizens used to own Frigates, Galleons, and other ships of war, as well as cannons, Tanks, and even Jet fighters prior to about 1960.
Your entire argument is actually a meaningless distraction from the real point of the thing, and its really sad that people aren't willing to approach guns, or even their society as a whole, as adults would have in previous generations where life itself was more dangerous and less convenient.
At its core your argument is based out of a distrust for the citizenry of your country, what weapons anyone has would not matter at all if you had faith in your countrymen, and that is the true crime.
>>70087482
You also don't need a house. You could just live in a cave.
>>70087288
We need full-auto rocket launchers to cuck up the government's shit in a "1984"-type scenario.
>>70087288
Nice 88 op
>>70088701
>thread
When 6 niggers pry open your front door to rob your house, and three of them have guns, you're gonna wish you had 30 rounds.
Guns exist. Even if they're just bolt actions with 5 round clips. You can't uninvent them. 6 guys with 5 rounds apiece = 30rounds.
Sounds like evening the odds when you're outnumbered by niggers.
>>70087288
I actually need an AMR
>>70087885
Story pls??
>>70089046
NOT
>>70089387
INFRINGE
>>70087482
Here's a wooden gun to make you feel better
>>70088555
checked
>>70087288
because even fuckin retards with extremely basic common sense on the "issue" knows it doesnt matter.
>>70089536
There you go a lot less dangerous than those plastic guns with their 30 gorillion rd full auto clipizines.
I bet if Europe had the gun laws of Merica I'm sure cologne headlines would have read something like "Mass kebab removal from rape attempts"
Since we are talking about magazine size etc.
Can somebody recommend the best rifle to own the happening that is perfectly legal in CA?
I was looking at M1As but idk if theyre legal here t b h
>>70087288
>loading a man is painful although I saw a new tool at a gun show recently that might make this better
>when I am in the zone shooting I don't want to change a fucking mag
>because shall not be infringed upon
>because if some faggot wants to cut off his junk and call himself trisha why can't I own a fucking 30 round mag? (note I do not really care if you are a tranny just let me own my guns and you can take as much dick as you want)
>because rapid fire is fun
>because if the police have them then why can't i?
>lastly
>when I went to the sandy vagina class room all I found was empty magzines while the actors were all out on break in some shitty warehouse 10 miles north of hollywood.
>>70089765
Mini 30 with 5rd magazine.
It's funny, I carry 15 rounds in my EDC. I used to just keep 10 in there.
I watched some footage from Baltimore, St Louis, and then way back to the LA riots. I got to thinking "holy shit what if the next big court case leads to a riot in my niggerzone?"
I did a little thinking and realized that just getting home could be difficult. Hundreds of violent niggers being egged on by thousands of less-violent enablers, and I'm carrying only 10rds?
I live around these animals. They carry, so what do I do when I have only 10rds and a car full of them pulls up and demands my laptop bag?
I figured the extra few shots could be the difference, so I loaded them up. There's no harm in carrying a little extra, so why do people freak out so much about how many bullets I can have in a magazine?
Spree shooters don't go where people can shoot back. They can reload at their leisure because nobody is attacking them. Everyone's hiding or running away.
If you're in a defensive position, you're going to want a gun that never runs out of bullets. 15 in your handgun and 30 in your rifle sounds about right to me.
Plus, an AR looks silly with a 10 round magazine.
>>70087288
>I support the 2nd Amendment and gun rights, but
Stopped reading there
>>70089665
Not everyone is Travis Haley
>>70087288
>Why
Because
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUjpr1UdPj8
>>70087288
>I support the 2nd Amendment and gun rights, but
>but
Nice try
>>>>>>>>>>>need
>>70087288
>but I just don't see why any person needs a magazine over 10 rounds, or a detachable mag semi auto.
but can you see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?
>>70089829
>loading a man is painful
Try being the man being loaded.
>>70089965
because sammy the psycho never practiced his shit while dreaming about and planning his rampage.
>>70087482
>clip
>>70088555
Pic: for this guy, climbing stairs IS the apocalypse...
>>70087553
You mean he should have fought harder for his rights against a group of limp wrists trying to tell him what he does and doesn't need.
>>70087288
Come the race war it'll be useful to drop 30 nogs without reloading
>>70087288
The second amendment is meant to help you kill tyrants, not deer and niggers.
>>70089894
Can that kill a man? Asking for a friend
>>70087288
Because of fat fucking faggots like OP who are so fat they can be shot 10 times without the bullet going anywhere near a vital organ
Just in case this has not been addressed. 30 round magazines are standard capacity.
>>70087288
Fun as shit.
>>70087288
So when government.exe stops responding we can take to the streets.
>>70090221
Most firearms can.
>>70089165
>At its core your argument is based out of a distrust for the citizenry of your country
What is the belief that a tyrannical government would arise, if not a distrust for the people of your country?
Besides, it's logistics and strategy that wins wars, not individual small arms. A well-regulated militia wouldn't need high caps to stage an uprising, take over army depots or even have an armed protest. Would the feds have cared if Bundy and co. had Ares SCRs with 10 rounders versus standard AR15s?
>>70087288
Permanent in an anti gun ong spotted.
>>70087288
30 boolits are better than 10 when protecting my home from violent niggers
also detachable magazine semi-autos are better in every way for home defense
>>70087288
Let natural selection do its job
>>70089765
M1a are legal as long as they don't have a pistol grip and they have the right muzzle device. You should be able to buy them at a gun store.
>>70087288
>need
There's that word again
>>70087288
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4
Just gonna leave these here.
>>70090665
That aussie cunt is right about everything except when it comes to guns. He's a fucking SJW.
>>70087288
If you make them smaller... I'll just find a way of attaching two of them together. Or better yet go buy a drum barrel that hold four times that amount.
>>70087288
>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
"Well regulated militia" was 18th century speak for a well armed populace.I will never understand the irrational fear of anti-gunfags about people wanting own guns,and carry them around for self protection.
Why do anti-gunfags want to disarm the populace?The only reason why we don't get invaded is because American citizens are armed to the teeth.If you don't like American gun laws,and hate guns I suggest you move to a different country where you think you'd be safer without the population being armed.Stop trying to change the 2nd Amendment as if it were a privilege when it's a right.If you take away someone's "rights" then they weren't really rights,but privileges.They're called rights,not needs nor privileges.I have the right to own a gun,it's not something you can take away.If you don't know the difference between RIGHTS and PRIVILEGES,I suggest you sit down,and read a fucking book.
>>70087288
The second amendment does not guarantee the right to self defense, it guarantees the right of all Americans to bear arms as a member of a militia (read: non government military) force. This means the right of people to own infantry grade firearms and explosives, and the right of American groups to own military grade cannons, missiles, bombs, and vehicles.
That is what the second amendment is for. For you support the second amendment, this is what you support.
>>70088701
Who is going to have a pile of magazines laid out on a table to easily reload from? A person only has so many pockets or pouches for 10 rounders.
>size doesn't make a huge difference even for someone who isn't really well trained.
The man is obviously trained to some degree, the woman less so. Still, how many people deliberately fire off 9 rounds from a 10 round magazine to avoid rechambering on reload?
>>70090738
Why is he wrong about guns? I am genuinely interested in an American's view point on this topic since all we ever hear in Australia is anti-gun shit.
Me owning a gun with high cap mags contributes to gun violence just as much as me owning a Ferrari contributes to drunk driving. In fact me owning a gun actually helps reduce gun violence, against me.
>Need
I like the stance Barrett took with California.
>.50 BMG rifles are Barretts bread and butter when it comes to rifles
>California bans .50 BMG firearms because "civilians don't need that "
>Barrett bans the sale of all their products to the California National Guard and all Californian police departments because "If civilians don't need it, neither do you."
>Barrett develops the .416 Barrett cartridge, which is both California legal and from a ballistic standpoint superior to .50 BMG in every way
>Barretts face when
>>70087288
Pretty shocking to me that someone in this country can't have something purely on the basis that they don't 'need' it. That is as communist as it comes. Should I also only get 4 pairs of standard issue socks because why would anyone 'need' more? How about a car that goes over 75mph, maybe we should ban those because who really 'needs' it?
This country was founded on the idea that people can spend their money on things they desire and don't need. It was built on the idea of excess. Now how about you fuck off because you don't really 'need' to be on the internet right now. Pic related is what you get when you only allow people to purchase what they 'need' and nothing more.
i'd rather have more chances to hit the upstanding african american gentlemen that's in my house than less.
shall NOT be infringed
>>70090816
Militia is irrelevant apart from the justification.
We have the right to own flour so we can bake bread, but you don't have to bake bread to justify flour ownership.
WELL REGULATED MILITIA
REGULATED
>>70090910
Well I didn't see the video you linked. But basically it boils down to restricting our rights to defend ourselves.
Restricting guns means law-abiding citizens will not own any.
Criminals don't fucking care about the law - so they will have guns, one way or another.
And we're fucked!
>>70091315
RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE
PEOPLE
>>70091342
Also left out, the ability to over throw a tyrannical government part.
>>70087288
>I support the 2nd amendment but...
Stopped reading there get fucked commie.
>>70087288
>Why do you need?
Begging the question, go suck a dick.
>>70091498
But the US military is the most advanced in the world. Your TEC-9 isn't going to do much against a fucking drone.
>>70087288
>but I just don't see why any person needs a magazine over 10 rounds, or a detachable mag semi auto.
then you don't understand the importance of parity
why own a gun in the first place if you're going to tie one of your hands behind your backs
the dudes busting in your house have choppers with 30 rounds
go fuck yourself
>>70091711
How many times has your house been broken into?
>>70087678
Nice post fellow burger.
>>70091593
I can shoot a drone operator just fine, they operate in sheet metal trailers in the Mojave desert.
All the most advanced technology of the greatest military on Earth isn't going to do a damn thing against ten million armed citizens. I own a rifle that can easily disable a $150m aircraft.
George Washington definitely did not favor individual gun rights. He knew of the atrocities committed by armed civilians and untrained militias and detested it. He favored a strong military to prevent that outrage after the Whiskey Rebellion. He was not in favor of armed resistance to government.
>I support...but
No, you don't faggot. The 2A is all or nothing, there is no in between.
>>70091711
>the dudes busting in your house have choppers with 30 rounds
In that scenario, I think you have bigger problems than having less rounds senpai. They would hit you with chemtrails first anyway.
>>70091801
And the military owns rifles that can easily disable you.
>>70091771
All ot takes is one. Why don't you try telling me what I'm not allowed to defend my family with so I can tell you to get fucked, m8
>>70088555
You wouldn't be a hostage if you shot your hostage taker.
>>70091315
>Well Regulated
>Debunked a million times
Try again libshit
>>70091918
>And the military owns rifles that can easily disable you.
Yeah, the same ones American civilians own.
>>70091918
I can legally own everything they can own, no exceptions.
>>70091801
haha stupid burger thinks he can shoot down a drone
>>70091920
Most people that break in just want cash, jewellery or electronics. They don't want to kill you because of the difference in jail time between robbery and murder. You can defend yourself and your family from low level thieves without a military grade arsenal. The reason home-invaders carry firearms is because they assume the home-owner owns firearms also. If you didn't have guns, they wouldn't need them and therefore wouldn't carry them because they would have a risk of more jail time than if they simply carried a knife.
>>70090841
Trick question, faggot.
>>70087288
nice clip
>>70091771
How many times have you crashed your car? If the answer is none, do you still wear a seat belt? How many times has your house caught on fire? Do you still have a fire extinguisher? All of these scenarios are similar. All it takes is one time and you can be dead. Why take any chances with something that has such serious consequences?
>>70092129
You have fully automatic military grade assault rifles under your bed?
>>70091918
Same applies to us
The US military hasn't been able to overcome several illiterate goat farmers in the middle east despite ten years of trying, American gun owners would prove a much more powerful adversary in the event of a real crackdown
Not to mention the fact that a considerable number of US military personnel would vehemently oppose orders to enact martial law on their own country and go AWOL to protect their families
I remember seeing this exact thread months ago, fuck off
>>70087288
>need
I may be a gunless citizen of bongland but even I realise that's it's the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs.
>>70087288
Some people would be alive today if they'd had more rounds available.
Nobody ever died because they had too many rounds available for self-defense.
There you go for that reason you said you were lacking.
>>70092239
I travel in a car every day and I am in my home every day. I am not robbed every day.
>>70090841
The point is that if someone is prepared, like someone who is going to commit an atrocity, the size of the magazine makes little to no difference in the effectiveness.
>> pile of magazines
You don't need a pile if you have a vest, a bag, or both. If you're really concerned, you could tape the magazines together and instantly double the amount carried in a vest. You could probably hold 20 or 30 additional standard (20 or 30) round AR mags in a backpack, that's 400-900 extra rounds.
>> how many people deliberately fire 9 of 10 rounds blah blah
Well, assuming they use a modern firearm it wouldn't make much of a difference because they almost all have bolt/slide holds that keep the slide or bolt back when the magazine is empty. The purpose of them doing that was to take every variable out of the equation.
Even if you had to release the bolt or slide, or even rack one into the chamber, it wouldn't make enough of a difference in the ability for someone to defend themselves. It would take you longer to get back on your current target, but you would still have time to fend off close range attackers with ease. The video clearly shows this and it's the entire point of the video.
You're grasping at straws, dude. The video is on point and it completely blows the fuck out of the magazine capacity argument.
It terrifies me to see you lunatics openly fantasize about murdering government agents.
Timothy McVeighs in the making
>>70092266
So if they wouldn't defend the government, why is there a need to own weapons on the premise of defending yourself against a government that has no means to attack you because all their employees refuse to?
>>70092193
or you know, they just wouldnt rob in the first place since they might get shot in the face. Also in australia burglers usualy bash the fuck out of anyone that seems them even if they are an unarmed elderly person so your whole point is moot.
>>70087288
Multiple attackers, multiple targets. 1 shot doesn't always get the job done, especially in high stress situations.
On top of that, none of these are actually high capacity. They are the standard capacity for a rifle. 30 rounds per magazine is standard, not high.
>>70092244
Fully automatic is only useful for suppressive fire, but since you ask...
>>70092360
And you probably do not crash or have your house burn down as well.
>>70092459
I'd rather be bashed than shot. Wouldn't you?
>>70092442
I didn't say "all," the majority of personnel would carry out their orders but there would be enough who refused to be a significant drawback
>>70092511
Much more likely than having people invade my home.
Well why do they need to be taken out?
A magazine isn't even as complicated as a firearm and firearms can be made without a factory if they really wanted to.
It doesn't take that long to reload anyways especially with practice.
I personally like the idea of people having guns in my community. I feel safer knowing law abiding citizens can buy whatever gun they want.
Do I see them toting around those guns everywhere they go? No, but if someone broke into a house on my block and they heard gunshots they'd be there in just a couple minutes.
That deters criminals from doing shit.
Unlike black communities most people are actually very civilized and the more of them that are educated and have firearms the better for everyone's safety.
There is also the needs to defend ourselves from a tyrant government.
I mean a full out war a lot of the military would probably back those people. Tanks are shit in dense cities. Drones are expensive.
The US government simply couldn't afford a war against it's people and that's a good thing.
>>70087288
Founding fathers were aware of guns that fired more than 10 bullets at the time of the revolution, and even owned the guns. Fuck, they even ordered the guns for the troops until they realized how expensive they were gonna be. It was capable of firing 20 bullets in five seconds.
So why don't you tell me, if they didn't put limits on magazines at the time the Constitution was written, and even went on the record stating that private citizens had the right to own CANONS, why you think that magazines should be limited now?
>>70092531
If it was enough to be a significant drawback then why would the government even try to kill you?
>>70087288
Might have to take out a squad of Storm Troopers sometime in the near future...
>>70092558
So what? What would you do if you are the .05% (made up statistic) who has it happen to you? Bend over for Mohammed or Jamal and let them fuck your wife and take your shit? I don't plan on any of that happening, but if it does I'm fucked, so I'd rather be ready. Plus guns are fun as fuck. So you get two uses out of them.
>>70092667
Do you not have any home security measures other than firearms? The whole reason you yanks love guns so much is because they are fun as fuck to use, not because they protect your home. I don't see any pictures of people standing proudly with a secure door, and I sure as shit don't see any padlock magazines being sold. The obsession with guns is simply because they are fun to use and you use the whole security reason as a weak excuse to own them.
>>70088740
Prove it.
>>70092654
Are you asking why a civil war would ever happen?
>>70092244
Bitch I might
To be honest it's not dofficult to convert an AR15 or an AK47/74 to full auto, you can legally own the parts as long as they aren't installed. Class 3 firearms can be legally owned for a princely sum and a background check. If the shit hits the fan do you think anyone is going to jail for illegally modifying their rifles for more dakka dakka?
>bill of needs
>>70092484
So when are you going to go and kill some gubment officials?
>>70092520
Do you seriously think robbers think rationally? Do you think they will have a slow escalation of force against you? Most of them are drug addicts looking to make a quick buck for that next hit. Someone like that would not be able to legally get a firearm or afford a black market pistol in australia.
>>70092798
It's not an excuse to use them, for some it's a reason. I don't have other means of home security. I also live in an area with a rising number of meth heads burglarizing homes and stealing cars. Like I just said, they serve a dual purpose. You can have fun with a tool that doubles as a weapon in case of emergency.
>>70092813
Look at all the "wars" going on currently. They are between different ideological groups in 3rd world nations. None of the countries these conflicts happen in are even close to being as advanced as the US.
>>70087288
Okay well i'll take the bait. Let's look at the Virginia Tech school shooting. He had 2 handguns, a 9mm and a .22lr, with a total of nineteen magazines and 400 rounds. He managed to kill 32 people, injure 23, then off himself. Keep in mind you could and still can own 30 round magazines, which glock 9mm models have plenty of, in Virginia. What would have changed in that shooting if he had 30 round mags? Almost assuredly nothing else would have changed except he might have to reload less.
>>70092798
Everything that is not a weapon is nothing more than a desperate attempt to buy time so that people with weapons will arrive. I have a solid wood door, with a bar AND a dead bolt, and the hinges are drilled in with 6 inch screws.
But if the cops aren't here by the time that they get past the door, then I don't have the luxury to wait around and HOPE that they aren't violent. Considering that I work 3rd shift, and my wife is home alone, and weighs 130lbs soaking wet, I would rather give her a gun than a baseball bat.
>>70092892
Have you ever been jumped kiddo? A good friend of mine and I were jumped by cunts with a baseball bats and screwdrivers. If guns were as readily available here as they are in the US we would likely be dead rather than have bruises for a few days.
>>70092963
And? I'm talking about a civil war in America. American citizens aren't all penniless, illiterate goat farmers, and a lot of us have guns that aren't 50 year old Soviet surplus.
>>70092520
What a fucking cuck. How about not at all?
Fuck you straya making me reply.
>>70093046
Do you not see the flaw in your story? If guns were legal there you and your mate could have shot those fucks.
>need
rights =/= needs faggot.
>>70093001
Do neighbours not help each other in America? If cunts tried kicking my door in my neighbours would all come out and say what the fuck is going on, and offer me assistance. They would be subdued, or the cops would have arrested them, or they would run. There is no need for guns.
>>70093046
If everyone was a potential concealed weapons holder, it's likely they wouldn't have taken the risk, unless you were being dumb as fuck and somewhere you know to be dangerous.
Not even guns can save dumb fucks.
>>70093127
Oh? You know a lot of people who are up at 3am?
>>70093097
But I wouldn't be carrying my gun since I probably wouldn't have a concealed carry license or whatever. They are criminals and if guns were readily available they probably would have been carrying them.
>>70087288
>Can someone put forth a valid argument supporting civilian ownership of high-caps and detachable magazine semi-autos without resorting to memery?
I'll shoot you if you try and prevent me from owning them.
>>70093098
WHY DO YOU NEEEEEEEEEED A MILITARY-STYLE ASSAULT WEAPON CAPABLE OF DISPENSING WITHIN HALF A SECOND THIRTY MAGAZINE CLIP
>>70091771
Twice, thanks for asking shitcunt.
>>70087288
I said it thousands of times before:
COLUMBINE FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL
>9mm tec 9 was used
>10rnd mags were used
>more than 90 shots fired
>tec-9 was banned BY NAME in the Assault Weapons Ban that was in effect at the time.
Tell me again how reducing magazine size is increasing safety?
>>70093170
The police force.
>>70093127
Yeah we help each other with guns. They work as intended, kills motherfuckers dead. Saves Uncle Sam from having to provide 25 years worth of 3 hots and a cot for jamal and his buddies.
>>70093127
>They would be subdued, or the cops would have arrested them, or they would run. There is no need for guns.
And what if the perps have knives. bats, or crowbars? What happens when the cops are 45 minutes away? There is no need to require someone risk becoming a victim of a violent crime.
>>70093190
>But I wouldn't be carrying my gun since I probably wouldn't have a concealed carry license or whatever
Then that's you choosing to be a victim. You would get jumped regardless, I would draw and either shoot or they would flee. And if they had guns, one of us is getting shot. And usually its them in those situations.
>>70093208
How many people were killed?
>>70093190
Well thank god the abo's are poor as fuck and you live in a bush.
>>70093046
>got jumped
Cuck confirmed
>BUT DA GURBEEMENT HAS JETS TO BOMB U HILLBILLIES
So my local airport has a reserve fighter wing stationed there. They keep their interceptors out in the open, in plain view of a major road, covered only by a roof.
Aircraft skin is made of aluminum alloy less then an eighth of an inch thick, hardly what you'd call durable. Contained inside it are hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of delicate radios, radar, and other electronics. Not to mention the delicate turbine engines that cost taxpayers a few million a piece.
All of this located about three hundred feet from a road, across nice clear runway with no obstructions. Well within rifle range to anyone who's ever spent any time behind a trigger. Let's assume that someone opens fire on those expensive, delicate aircraft. Let's assume that it takes airport security three minutes to respond, which is very very unlikely considering the road is far away from any buildings on the tarmac. How many rounds could someone put in those multi million dollar aircraft in three minutes? One shot to the cockpit alone would destroy tens of thousands of dollars worth of avionics, and if the radar got hit it could easily go into the hundred thousand range. Not to forget that the seat and canopy would need replacing as well. That's just with the opening shot. What happens if the second shot hits an engine? Or a flight control?
By the time security responded, one man with a rifle could cost the taxpayer millions in damages and ground the planes for up to a week while repairs are conducted. That's not even considering the human cost if the gunman turned his weapon on the security personnel.
>>70093190
I'm guessing you were jumped when you were isolated or in a bad part of town, due to this post: >>70093127
At which point, nothing will help you, because you lack common sense.
The fact that you are lobbying for people to be less free, and for power to be concentrated in the hands of a few, is intellectually backwards, especially in the US, where the Supreme Court has ruled TWICE that nobody, not even cops, have a duty to protect you.
Automatic strawman when you call a standard-capacity magazine in common use, that's 'standard' issue on every rifle from the manufacturer, as "high capacity".
>>70093242
Which brings me back to my original point. If they haven't arrived by the time the door is kicked in, and my 130lb wife is home alone, what then?
>>70093250
If they hit you with their car and then have a fuckin screwdriver at your throat, you'll be able to draw your pistol? Enjoy your tracheotomy, bro.
>>70093347
Assuming a gunman lets you get that close
>>70093190
So your excuse is...what, laziness on your behalf? An unwillingness to get a CW license if you had the ways and means?
>>70093311
My door was not kicked in, I was walking down my own street, my neighbours came out and the fuckwits drove off. There was no need for a gun.
>>70093190
My neighbors are several hundred meters away and wouldn't come looking if they heard smashing as it's common place here (animals and such), the police are 45+ minutes away.
If someone decided to break into my house to do me harm, I'd be on my own. Lucky for me I live somewhere where there's virtually no crime, I still own guns anyway but for other reasons.
Not everyone lives in your safe little city street.
>>70092427
Ban fertilizer!
>>70093347
>if this hypothetical scenario happens you won't be able to use your gun
Just stop, Mick, you aren't fooling anyone
>>70093347
That comes back to not being isolated in dangerous parts of town. If you get hit by a car in a grocery store parking lot, and someone jumps out with a screwdriver, the citizen that is Conceal carrying plugs him.
>>70093405
meant for >>70093127
>>70093347
>If they hit you with their car and then have a fuckin screwdriver at your throat, you'll be able to draw your pistol?
That isn't them jumping me that's attempted murder at that point and there is nothing I can do. But I can draw a pistol and have rounds down range in at least 2 seconds. So they better be pretty damn quick.
>>70093347
Self defense is like 95% situational awareness and 5% actually using a firearm. There are legal repercussions for even drawing a firearm so we tend to not do so unless we are in immediate danger.
because 30 is not high capacity, it is standard, and secondly, any limitation would be purely arbitrary and in no way prevents criminals from killing. The law shouldntt be based on why you need something. Imagine if they limited the tanks on cars because nobody needs more than 5 gallons. You can stop and refill, you only want a bigger tank to run away from cops. See? it's ridiculous.
>>70087288
LA Riots, Korea Town 1992.
>>70093381
He ran into me with his car. I was then on the ground. He then jumped out and put a screwdriver at my throat before I could get up. How do I get my pistol out and shoot him before he stabs me in the face?
>>70087288
>bill of needs"
>resources to form militia if need be
>it's a meme if it can be summed up in ten words or fewer
Nice 8s
>>70093404
Super fucking neato. That's not what we are talking about. We are talking about why people need to own guns and be able to conceal carry.
To which I refer you to here:>>70093420
>you don't need high capacity magazines
>you don't need a 500hp car with a top speed of 200mph, that's just dangerous. cars should be electronically limited to the max speed limit
>you don't need high speed internet, dsl is plenty fast enough
>you don't need freedom of thought, you NEED to listen to us and do as we tell you. it's for your own good
>>70093413
>>70093347
These hypothetical scenarios are something only drooling autistic retards dream up. Just because a gun can't save you in every situation, doesn't mean there's not a valid reason for owning one.
"ERR MUH GOD I'M AN AUSSIE KEK WHO SLIPPED IN MY BATHTUB AND HIT MY HEAD! FUCKIN GUNS CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO SAVE YOU IN THAT SITUATION m8!"
>>70093405
If you are so isolated from everyone, who exactly is coming to rob you?
>>70093242
You don't need a fire extinguisher Straya, you've got the fire department!
>>70093265
None fucking thankfully. During the second one one guy had a knife, pretty sizable guy too. I had a 9mm. He saw it, he ran like a whipped dog. Now what if I hadn't had my handgun? I'd rather not die secure in my moral superiority over my assailant.
>I support the 2nd Amendment and gun rights, but
(You)
>>70093517
This. Someone needs to start dumping webms of all the self defense videos of dindus getting blasted.
>>70093536
What does rape not happen out in the middle of nowhere? Like in say Alaska? The rape capitol of the world?
>>70093472
How is that an argument against carrying? If someone hits you with a fucking car you obviously aren't going to be in a position to fight back, having a gun plays no role in that situation because you're already dead or dying
How fucking dumb are you, that's like saying wearing a hard hat it meaningless because a half-ton block of concrete might fall on you
>>70093560
You can't simply disarm him? It's a fucking knife.
>>70093405
My shop is 15 mins from the nearest police station and it still took them 5 hours to respond.
>>70087581
Tell that to sandy hook
>>70093517
So I shouldn't own a gun because the possibility exists that I might not ever need to use it?
Get fucked, dipshit
>>70093298
Putting aside the fragility of aircraft, consider that a jet cannot enforce a curfew.
A tank cannot kick in your door at 3am to strip your house for contraband.
An Apache cannot break up an assembly.
To enforce a police state, you need police. So long as armed citizens outnumber police, guess what? Your police state won't fucking work.
>>70093639
Not sure if bait
>>70093454
>you only want a bigger tank to run away from cops. See? it's ridiculous.
Even if having a bigger gasoline tank directly enabled you to kill more people, it takes minutes to refill it, not seconds.
>it's not high capacity, it's standard
Not an argument
>>70093681
He was arguing the opposite.
>>70093639
Holy shit you are retarded.
>>70093639
Kekd
>>70093639
Now this is the fun part where I take SJW lingo and turn it back on them.
>using an ableist argument
How do you know I'm not physically infirm or wheelchair bound? I did mention the dude was big, and again, I'd rather the risk of damage/death be fully on his end. Get the Croc Dundee mentality out of your head m8, you'll live longer.
>>70093740
Wrong quote, jeez oh man
>This angry mob is coming to loot & burn down the business you spent your whole life savings to create. It's your only source of income for your family. You'll starve and lose everything you've ever worked hard for if they ruin you.
How are you going to win in that situation with 5-round magazine?
>>70093723
Let me guess, you are a millennial who lives in a large urban city and goes to a university?
>>70093741
Australians are trained from birth to reject any sort of common sense.
>>70093787
It happens.
>>70087288
SECOND
AMMENDMENT
IS
TO
PREVENT
GOVERNMENT
ABUSING
ITS
POWER
NOT
SELF
DEFENCE
RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>70093639
Holy shit
Wow
I'd rather take my chances in a gun fight than a knife fight. That shit is nasty.
>>70093767
If you were physically disabled how would you use a gun effectively?
>>70093803
Millennial Cuck Confirmed.
>>70093873
aslong as your arms and eyes work pretty much nothing
>>70087288
Is 10 in a clip enough?
>>70093850
To be fair they come from a place that has a poisonous, egg laying mammal with a duck bill and beaver tail. Being able to suspend one's disbelief is sort of essential for them.
>>70093873
Pretty easily. Hoodie on, shoulder holster. If you have the use of one hand, you're good.
>>70093920
Same for disarming a cunt with a knife.
>>70093857
The second amendment exists to present an additional check against government tyranny. Also, self defense is an inalienable human right.
>>70093935
Not really, should have 20
>>70093723
Having a bigger tank does allow you to kill more people. What if they had two or three tanks, like on trucks or RVs? 3 25 gallon tanks? high capacity assault tanks!!@!11
Actually, you calling a standard capacity 'high capacity' isn't an argument, it's a fucking logical fallacy because you're deliberately misrepresenting the intended capacity of the firearm in order to gain advantage in your argument.
>>70087288
>I support the 2nd Amendment and gun rights, but I just don't see why any person needs a magazine over 10 rounds, or a detachable mag semi auto.
Because the organized militia, that is to say, the National Guards, has thirty round magazines. So the unorganized militia, that is combat ready males between the ages outlined in the 1903 militia act, are allowed to own them as well, providing that individual states don't infringe this right.
>>70093878
>let's label everyone who disagrees with me
Who does that remind you of?
>>70093981
Nah, that requires strength. Guns require a good aim, and enough dexterity to draw and pull the trigger.
>>70093973
But if the point is to also be able to defend against a tyrannical government how is a disabled person who only has use in one arm going to go in a street battle?
>>70093674
GTFO of /pol/
Fucking pathetic. Do any level of research and come back.
faggot.
>>70093981
How the hell is an able bodied person meant to stop a knife let alone a disabled person with their bare hands?
>>70094039
Hit them in the balls or throat and they will double-take. Then remove knife from nigger. Easy.
>>70094046
I never claimed that it's purpose was limited to. It's a tool. Claiming that this tool can only be limited to resisting government is like claiming a baseball bat is limited to hitting baseballs, or a knife is limited to buttering bread.
>>70094080
Literally just grab their wrist and then throat punch and/or boot in nuts. The will be stunned long enough or fall to the ground and you will be able to remove the threat of the knife.
>>70093858
This.
I was always taught that in a knife fight, nobody walks away without any injuries. When you go into a knife fight you go in assuming your going to get stabbed at least once, it's just a matter of making sure you fatally wound your opponent before they do the same to you.
>>70093873
>>70093981
>>70094046
You are all over the fucking place with this damage control. Set the goalposts down son and take a breath, you must be exhausted from all that running around.
>>70094086
>just hit the guy with greater lethal reach than you, it's simple
Confirmed for never having been attacked with a knife.
>>70087448
if you need +10 rounds to hit a target im not sure you should be allowed to own a gun at all
>imaagine being too dumb to own a gun to protect your daughter from a rapist
>I support the 2nd Amendment and gun rights, but I just don't see why any person needs a magazine over 10 rounds,
There's no reason not to. You're the one who has no argument because naturally if you're someone who owns a gun you want as many round as possible on tap in the gun's form factor.
So why do YOU think there should be some arbitrary limit?
>>70094086
Or they could use a gun, and be able to have the ability to deal with most threats to you or your property, even if there is more than one threat present.
When you try to pull these mental gymnastics to justify that nobody should ever have cause to use one are just getting sad.
Who needs a hammer to drive nails when you can just use the blunt end of a screw driver and a block of wood?
>>70094198
I've been attacked with a 12 inch screwdriver. Wasn't stabbed because I'm not a fucking pussy.
>>70094238
Glad to know your aim will be unaffected by adrenaline or heartrate Denmark. Wish I had that kind of certainty.
>>70094172
You realise a knife attack cant be stopped if you charge the centre mass of someone and then slice the fuck out of the abdomin right?
>>70087288
If you're not a trained military man and are a poor shot, under heavy stress and being terrified you might miss 10 shots even point blank.
>>70087288
>needs
Kill yourself
>>70094287
Wow rad bro, do you have ptsd now? Post pic of your purple heart with timestamp
>>70094172
>> grab at their wrist
>> get slashed in the arm
>> grab at their wrist
>> get stabbed in the hand
>> grab their wrist
>> lose motor control because your tendons are fucked
>> lose grip because you're bleeding profusely and blood is slippery
>> get stabbed to death because you kicked this guy in the dick or throat punched him when all he wanted to do was rob you
kek.
"grab his wrist" is not something that someone who has been stabbed would say.
>>70094258
Sure there are uses for guns. Hunting and combat. You must be pretty fucking paranoid if you are constantly ready to shoot the people who are out to get you when they break into your home. Do you find yourself walking around your home aiming out windows making sure no one is hiding in the shadows?
>>70094287
Neat. But even if, in your opinion, only pussies carry guns, then I argue that the pussy has just as much of a right to defend himself as you do.
And, in my experience, most of the people in the States that argue for gun control are such pussies that they haven't even held a gun, if they've even seen one.
>>70094024
Because you're literally a beta autistic cuckold piece of shit if you want honest people disarmed because of your irrational paranoia
>>70094287
Ah, I get it now. This is a "I'm tougher than you because I don't use a gun" argument. Specious from the get go.
>>70094354
Why would I have PTSD from protecting myself from some retard armed with a tool? If he had a gun I would've been fucked. But he didn't and that's because they are hard to get here. Simple as that.
>>70094318
its called having a fucking clue about what you are doing. you dont see soldiers spray and pray in combat because of panic
well except for american soldiers ofcourse
>>70094238
You ever have to fire a weapon in a SD scenario? People generally exchange ammunition until one of them runs out or dies. Are you going to let some liberal piece of shit tell you what you do and do not need?
>>70094431
Not at all. There just isn't a need for me to own one. If someone is intent on killing me then they probably will be able to if I am armed with a gun or not.
>>70087288
30 = STANDARD capacity
dumb shit
>>70094005
I could call them clips, which the US Army officially did. Why has the entire gun lobby carved out a false semantic representation to circlejerk around instead of trying to debate gun control on its merits?
>>70092360
People crash every day. Homes burn every day. People are burglarized and daughters are raped every day somewhere in the world.
To wait for one of these things to happen to you instead of being prepared is the epitome of cuck mentality, so much that I no longer believe you are arguing with necessity, rather you are just looking to argue. Have a nice day.
>>70094392
>Do you find yourself walking around your home aiming out windows making sure no one is hiding in the shadows?
No, I have a dog (who is my alarm system), and just have a gun in my pocket at all times. Wife has a shoulder holster with it on her person at all times. While sleeping, we both have our guns on our nightstands.
I also have enough things to buy me or my wife enough time to be prepared if someone tries to break in. I've gone into detail on a few of those things earlier in the thread.
>>70094519
Right because in a heavy firefight in battle, where both you and the enemy are behind cover exchanging gunfire, every soldier always hits his target. They never waste dozens of round of ammo trying to hit 1 guy.
>>70094188
the winner of a knife fight dies in the hospital.
knife fights are brutal, and often a well placed knife from someone untrained can be deadly (deadlier than a single bullet) a well placed knife in the hands of someone well trained is almost assured death.
>>70094578
Ok. Call them clips. I don't give enough of a shit. People are debating gun control on its merits in THIS VERY THREAD.
>>70094519
>hurrdurr I don't know what I'm talking about
Go away.
>>70094580
The point is I don't need a fucking gun because no one will be invading my home because they don't have a gun either. Sure criminals have guns but they aren't going to risk life imprisonment for murder for a few dollars out of my wallet.
>"Look guys, I support X and all, but...."
It's another one of those threads.
>>70087288
Pretty easy to understand.. Shooting someone is not like the movies, they don't go down or fly backwards just graced by one bullet sometimes it takes several, let's say 5..
Then you miss some.. let's say there's 2 guys attacking you.. you miss 5 put 5 in the other so he's disabled.. now comes the other guy..
Shit.. out of ammo, do you have another magazine lying around? perhaps not.. do you have bullets lying around.. perhaps not..
You're then screwed..
High capacity magazine meaning you don't have to worry about that too much even against multiple assailants, pick up the weapon and you're ready to go on demand..
Even someone who has never used a gun in his/her life should understand this simple basic logic..
It amazes me how ultra dumb the left in america is..
>>70094669
Typical retarded cuck mentality.
Niggers literally do JUST THAT everyday. Entire families are killed for a few hundred dollars in belongings.
>>70094583
So you are fucking paranoid. You think you're that important that someone is going to come and kill you?
>>70094392
Do you come from a land down under?
>>70094669
Must be nice, we have more niggers than you have Australians.
>>70087288
>detachable magazine semi-autos
Holy shit you're right!
Belt-fed Uber alles.
>>70094418
When did I say I want honest people disarmed? You're the paranoid one, friend.
>>70094677
If you are using a magazine, just having the bullets lying around wouldn't do shit. It takes time to fill a mag.
If you don't have spares, you would be better off with a revolver.
>>70094710
Only in America, m8.
>>70088354
/thread
>cucks
Says the country that needs a gun and all those extra rounds and never use either.
Also reload time, the assailant will be all over you if you have to reload constantly.. and ofcouse the magazine/bullets problem.. of carrying that around in a heated situation you probably don't have time to get those too..
>>70094712
Typical aussie cuck faggot. Belittling somebody when you have no argument. "You think you're that important" -- just because you're an emasculated pacifist pussy bitch doesn't mean the rest of us have to walk around with your beta male attitude.
>>70094677
best answer... seems like weekly you hear about someone getting shot by a cop 18 times (standard glock 17 capacity) and surviving. that means the officer shot the guy 18 times and he survived! bullet placement is king, yes, 1 bullet is all it takes, but it does not mean it takes 1 bullet.
>>70094519
>Says thing about shooting guy taking daughter
>argue against point
>Changes topic to trained soldiers
>Weak bants
Fuck off Grendel
>>70094801
Why would anyone want to kill you m8? To gain your lootz? Not worth the death penalty for a few bob.
>>70094744
Right that's what i mean, i'm just trying to cover both rifles and revolvers.
>>70094712
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. You're welcome to live any way you like. I would never force you to adopt my lifestyle. But, just like I respect your lifestyle, no matter how much I disagree with it, I expect you to respect mine.
If you want to insult me, that's fine. You think I'm paranoid. I think you're a fool. So long as you aren't a fool who is trying to push your foolish ways on me, and I'm not a tin-foil hat wearer trying to force a tin-foil hat on you, I don't see why you have a problem, so long as neither of us are breaking any laws.
>>70094789
Means a lot coming from a country so cucked they won't even let you have knives.
Also pepper spray is illegal in the UK.
You're literally a nation of pussies where DEFENDING YOUR OWN LIFE is viewed as taboo.
Talk to me when your country isn't being overrun by Muslims in burkas.
>>70094287
>wow having guns is not nice it's actually dangerous so can you please stop
>haha if you can't take a knife away from drugged up attacker you're a pussy
>>70089975
I need some of those fucking glasses lol
plz op, the right size for a magazine is three times the number of niggers/shitskins.
how else will anyone an hero&highscore and save the world?
praise the perfect gentleman.
>>70087288
>There are fewer circumstances where they were needed for lawful defense than the number of people killed in mass shootings with them.
It takes about 2 seconds to reload. Do you honestly think that will make any difference in a mass shooting? and why are you focusing on mass shootings? They are statisticly insignificant and rare events.
The burdan of proof is on you, not on us and at every turn the anti-gun arguments advocating the banning of standard capacity magazines (and they are standard capacity, not "high capacity" like you say in your anti-gunner Orwellian newspeak).
>>70094086
>>70094172
Kek where'd you get this bullshit?
Cucked AND ignorant
>>70094874
Fair enough.
>>70094869
You're assuming a crackhead looking to get his next fix will be thinking rationally. Considering we have millions of people in prison because of stupid impulsive negro chimpouts, facts are not on your side.
>>70094756
well, then i think you answered your question... upside-down land is so wonderful the robbers leave you money
>>70094893
You can be stabbed many times and live. You get shot once and you'll probably die.
>>70087288
>I support the 2A
>BUT
kys tbqhwy familia
>>70094987
So retarded
>>70094287
So did you hit him in the balls/throat?
I think you were just punked like faggot that you are
>>70094934
You need guns Pinoy.
You have cunts blowing themselves up in your third world shithole.
>>70094987
Oh? A bullet in your arm is gonna kill you? How about the leg? Groin? Ass cheek? Shoulder? Stomach?
All of these shot placements are easily survivable if you get help. You might never regain full use, depending on the bullet, but you'll survive.
>>70094987
no... not at all... stabbing is more deadly than shootings, chicago alone should show that... 1000 niggers a day get shot, hardly any of them die... someone gets stabbed they likely die
>>70095027
If you were shot once or if you were stabbed twice in the same place, the bullet wound is going to be a lot worse because they fragment. Knifey slide in, knifey slide out.
>>70094172
You gonna ask them to hold up on robbing your house so you can get dressed and put your boots on? Nice
>>70095153
Are you gonna ask them to stop robbing so you can open your gunsafe?
Literally what the anti-gun people sound like.
I would venture to guess most of them come from broken homes and single mother households, where they never had a male role model to take them out shooting. So they behave like emotional cunts because they were raised by man-hating feminists, and guns are viewed as masculine and "macho".
>>70095036
>>70095140
I like how you completely disregard a post that makes you look intolerant. Here it is, in case you missed it:>>70094882
>Yet in the vast majority of defensive gun uses (themselves being uncommon), nowhere near 10 shots were fired
If no where near 10 shots were fired, then why ban 30 round magazines? Just because? That's a stupid reason.
>>70095140
knife goes in with more force, and is often larger than a bullet, a knife also slices and tears... this causes massive wounds that are difficult to repair and bleed out very very quickly
>Can someone put forth a valid argument supporting civilian ownership of high-caps and detachable magazine semi-autos without resorting to memery?
Because they have the right to choose to own high-caps and detachable magazine semi-autos.
>>70092616
>went on the record stating that private citizens had the right to own CANONS
What's the best cannon for home defense?
Also, I'm having difficulty trying to conceal carry my cannon, any tips?
>>70095181
So wait, you mock me as being paranoid for carrying constantly, and you mock people who keep them in a safe? There's no winning with you. You're just an intolerant bigot against people who want to own guns.
>>70094987
Just stop m9, you're embarrassing yourself. Literally everything you've thrown out there has been refuted by someone. We know Oz is the king of shitposters, we get it. You can quit now.
>>70094987
Ok so your argument has devolved to
>you should get stabbed in your own home as a law abiding citizen instead of having the right to prevent serious bodily harm or death to yourself
You're not even trying dude
>>70095194
Take a number buster I got cunts replying left and right.
>>70095237
No you just shouldn't own them.
>>70094869
So why did you get punked then?
>>70095216
Can't help you. Don't own any canons. Besides, you're in Straya. Pretty sure you aren't afforded the same rights, which are given to you by the government, rather than by your birth.
>>70095140
No. Depending upon the type of ammo, you have no fucking clue what would happen because you're a shitposting nogunz. Ask any trauma tech what's worse to deal with. Knives, used properly, cause maximum tissue damage/trauma. Go wrestle an emu you fuck.
>>70095289
>No you just shouldn't own them
So you are confirming EXACTLY what I said. Despite EVERY argument you put forth being refuted, you still hold your opinion. That's called being a bigot.
>>70095268
Nah, I won't, because you're responding to posts later than that, you intolerant cunt.
>>70095327
trauma techs dont deal with many knife wounds... by the time the arrive the guy is likely dead and cold.
>>70095216
If you can grandfather in a Long Nine under a C&R license I highly recommend them. House'll be a bit smokey for awhile though. Otherwise a good ol' fashioned 105 or 155 howitzer is a solid go-to defense cannon.
>>70095301
What are you on about mate?
>>70095036>>70095036
And you're still ignorant and got punked but yet still feel superior
>>70094987
You have around an 80% chance to live if you aren't shot in the vitals.
>>70095140
>all bullets fragment
Fuck this country and its gun ignorance.
>>70094578
The gun lobby didn't decide the capacity or the language used to describe the capacity of these firearms, the manufacturer did.
In fact, the anti-gun lobby is guilty of attempting to change the diction used regarding magazine capacity. It's a deliberate misrepresentation to call these magazines high capacity because they are in fact standard capacity.
The diction is not semantic because it is the literal point of contention in your argument. If you believe the term "high capacity" magazine is semantic, you have no argument whatsoever.
I debated gun control: I showed you proof that low capacity/pinned magazines are not an effective means of stopping a person who is determined to hurt people. If you watched the whole video they even showed that you don't need a gun with a magazine at all, you can do tons of damage with 2 or more revolvers.
Not a single point you're arguing holds water. Not one.
Reasons to own standard, detachable magazine firearms:
Sport
Hunting
Self Defense
Tyranny
Now how about you provide some evidence for your claim that
>> Yet in the vast majority of defensive gun uses (themselves being uncommon), nowhere near 10 shots were fired. There are fewer circumstances where they were needed for lawful defense than the number of people killed in mass shootings with them.
?
>>70095426
lol this
>>70095426
I chose to ignore it. Thank fuck that someone from Straya has an idea about how guns work.
>>70087288
OP, stop. Just stop.
>>70095352
You got me, I got you. These fucking idiots I can't vouch for.
OP here
The buzzwords triggered more than I expected, but it was nice to see some fresh refutations. Going to use them later today in a debate against SJWs, thanks.
>>70094844
Right, because when you shoot someone, even 5 times that don't mean they're going to stop, the adrenaline kicks in and they're in survival mode, why in the past the low capacity rifles has bayonets in the end of them.. not because you're not going to use them but because you're most likely going to use them, don't necessarily have time to reload.. you might have to wrestle him..
This is why it's so ridiculous that the leftists in america think if you have 5 guys coming at you that you can handle them with a revolver with a few rounds..
Unless they run away you're going to have a huge problem because you don't have time to reload. So revolvers are more for deterrent.. like "you're going to get hurt if you don't stop"
Semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines are a must if you plan to defend against multiple assailants.. especially armed assailants.
>>70095426
Can you send a striketeam of roos to stop this other cunt? I am embarrassed for you.
>>70095426
shitpost over shitpost.
what could be worse?
>>70095374
You said you got "attacked". Why? what was your attacker's reason?
>>70095540
10-4 on that, its amazing how ignorant people are about guns and the human body... they think guns are completely harmless... or they think guns are the ultimate instant kill... too many movies, showing knife fights last 10 minutes and gun fights last 10 seconds.
>>70095551
To be fair, it IS possible to do with a revolver with 5 rounds against 5 guys. But you're gonna need fragmentation rounds (shreds everything it touches in a cone shape) placed relatively well, which leftists also want to ban.
>>70087288
They're fun, and there's no reason to ban them since it's easy to mod mags and make them larger.
>>70093097
this
>>70095613
>they don't even know about 21 feet...
>>70095551
Rifles have spitzer bullets that sometimes pass right through without causing immediate terminal damage. When you have soldiers(Nazis from WW2) hopped up on crank that isn't going to stop them. We've since developed smaller rifle rounds that are frangible(break on impact) and cause more immediate damage as well as bullets that tumble when they hit tissue such as the 5.45.
>>70095664
Well you'll have to be able to handle that revolver like an expert marksman.. IN a heated and stressfull situation..
And again simply hitting them doesn't mean they stop.
Movies != reality.
>>70095700
Did it to my wife's shield, just to make the spring less stiff. Side effect is that you can now put in another bullet, if you really want to. It's a bitch to do, but possible.
>>70095426
>>70095500
Seriously though he's trolling. No one actually thinks that a good alternative to defending your right to live should be tossed so that you can get some possibly fatal stab wounds in the name of being humanitarian
Unless they're actually a bleeding heart faggot but this guy likes to claim he gets in fights and calls people pussies so he's not one of those
He's just taken two opposing viewpoints to attack the same ideology, meaning obviously he doesn't want us to turn into nice people, he wants us to get mad about gun control bogus.
In fact though he failed, unless he's pro gun, because he just played the dunce in a lesson for a lot of people on this board to learn good pro gun arguments.
I don't believe he's this stupid, I think he was trolling, or he is pro gun and wanted to freshen up on his reasons we should all own guns. In which case good idea
>>70095664
Unless you've got a .44 magnum, good luck with that... to quote an infamous dictator, "Quantity is a quality all its own"
>>70095551
i would have to do some searching... and im too tired for that... but there is multiple storys about people being shot dozens of times with high powered military rifles (30-06/308/7mm/8mm) and surviving. A Mexican-American WWII metal of honor recipient tells of how he was shot quite a few times, and killed multiple people while injured, and saved more... they even put him in a body bag thinking he was dead, until he finally got enough strength hours later to shout for help.
>>70087288
To kill more people. That is the point of a gun. That is why the 2nd Amendment exists. If you support making guns less effective, you are eroding the intent of the 2nd Amendment, which is to give average citizens the ability to threaten violence against the government. Less effective arms make this threat weaker, and takes power away from the average person.
>>70095779
I'm an Australian on /pol/ why would I ever shitpost?
>>70095664
Now imagine you are being shot at by these 5 intruders.
>>70095866
I aint even shook my friend have a nice day
Please troll Liberals or Women next time, they are much easier to fluster
>>70095769
possible...yes... its also possible to get them all with 1 shot if they stand still in a line... is it likely... nope.
>>70095746
Oh, no argument. That's the point of the fragmentation rounds. It literally shreds the muscle (and anything behind it). But you are right, all shots need to be placed at LEAST relatively well. Shredding an arm or leg isn't necessarily going to stop them.
>>70095807
I have a 357 (S&W 340PD) with Terminal Shocks. It's my CC gun, but it's enough of a weapon to deal with just about any threat that can come my way in the 10 feet between my work door and my car. I have higher capacity weapons at home, though.
I'm just saying it's POSSIBLE. Not that it's recommended.
>>70095919
Honestly I was just tired of actually being able to ruin feminist theories with basic logic. Also, if I was American there is no fucking way I would not own guns and have concealed carries. Been trying to get my Category C license here for a few years now. Our lefty government just doesn't see the need.
>>70095500
I've been on IPSC Level 4 match squads with ausbros. Cool as fuck and the bantz are real
>>70095970
As long as you've got more than two...I'll never understand the old Fudds that carry snake slayers and think they're good to go because they can load 2 fucking shotshells. Like this new cell phone gun thing. Got a bunch of my liberal friends wringing their hands and I just laugh. It'll be a novelty at best, or it'll get pulled when some idiot leaves theirs out and their kid gets ahold of it and tries to play Angry Birds
>>70096196
Nothing wrong with keeping us sharp. I called you a bigot just because I'm experimenting with using the leftist's own tactics against them.
They like to pretend that they have moral superiority in their opinions, and aren't used to those words being thrown in their face.
>>70096318
>Angry Birdshot
>>70096196
Good luck with that mate, I hope the NFA review doesn't completely fuck your shit up. California isn't so bad in comparison but we're rapidly closing that gap.
>>70096364
Fuck me, why didn't I think of that
>>70096318
>and think they're good to go because they can load 2 fucking shotshells
That's what my dad recommended when I was first getting into guns (my mom is outright against them, and has been my entire life). He said that if someone broke in and heard the pump, they would leave. When he asked why I didn't get a shotgun, I told him because it's easy to grab when there are corners, that I would put holes in everything if I needed to fire it, and, most importantly, if someone kicks in my door, they aren't walking away. Me and the wife will empty every bullet we have in the mag/revolver (9+1 in the Shield, 8 in the TRR8), and claim fear factor. No misdemeanor Breaking and Entering for them. Only a coffin.
>>70096515
>the shotgun rack fallacy
Oh man...I'm sorry. If I've got my 12 gauge up (pic) the only thing they're going to hear is me telling them to get the fuck on the ground or they're going to meet their maker.
>>70096340
Sorry for being a cockhead but please know I am on your side. I am the only one in my family (aside from my father who is a moderate) who is right wing (many of my cousins are tumblrina feminist vegans who try to 'educate' me about rape culture and shit) so I know full well what being called a bigot is like. Imma try your tactic on them next time so cheers for that, bro.
>>70096410
Mate I have no fucking chance the way shit is going here. I am thinking of moving to the US at some point in the near future. Not sure which state though but definitely not Cuckfornia
>>70091826
Good thing George Washington wasn't king then.
>>70096665
You're cool. We don't need to have an echo chamber like Tumblr, and training helps when we actually come face to face with those fucks.
>>70096629
That's fine. I plan to pick one up (right after the AR15 or AK74; haven't decided yet). But I didn't want our first gun to be the shotgun. You can't CC a shotgun easily.
>>70096665
You can use their own indoctrination against them. Like when I called you out for being ableist or when >>70096340 called you a bigot. It short-circuits their programming and in some cases begins to introduce self questioning, the first step on the road to recovery from leftism.
>>70096833
No no, my Auto is for home d or fucking around on the range. I have a G26 and the wife has a P232 for CC.
>>70096845
>road to recovery from leftism
fucking lol'd
>>70096318
get a kick out of this article... if you dont want to read the whole paragraph just skip to the *update* its quite interesting http://www.sickofyourcrap.com/im-calling-bullshit-smartphone-gun/
>>70093997
PShaw. We're talking about guns, NOT -just- self defence. The 2nd amendment doesn't function to protect against tyranny, UNLESS your argument is that people should be allowed to assassinate their leaders, which is pretty dickish.
>>70096909
Yup. I'm a firm believer that the humble pistol/revolver is the first gun anyone should purchase. It can be hidden better, and is easier to use than any other gun. And it can still work in situations that you might prefer another gun for.
Start with a pistol, and expand to other guns from there.
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