Which has a better chance against Bernie?
Trump, we went over this.
The one that is actually a natural-born citizen
>>70079239
Trump.
Cruz has no appeal outside the Republican Party
>>70079239
The CanChurnadian Candidate.
14A of 1868 defines US citizen as "born or naturalized in the US."
Ted Cruz was not "born in the US", so by default he had to naturalize.
Read 8USC1401, 8USC1431 and 8USC1433.
If Ted Cruz was not born in the US [8USC1401(a)], then he can only be a naturalized US citizen [8USC1401(g)].
So, the question is the "mechanics" of naturalization in 8USC1431 and 8USC1433.
No person born outside the US is a US citizen, unless they enter the US to naturalize.
Ted Cruz is a naturalized US citizen and not eligible to serve in the Presidency.
Ted Cruz fails Article 2 eligibility.
Trump can't even beat Cruz, so why would he have a better chance than him?
>>70079341
Trump has no appeal outside your edgy-faggot ass
>>70079239
Neither honestly, but I do think Cruz is pretty clearly the stronger candidate if only because Trump is SO reviled, does SO poorly with women and non-whites that he has literally no path to the white house. Sad, but that's life.
Trump.
Cruz has the problem if only being able to steal the nomination at the convention, which will alienate a lot of voters.
>>70079239
Cruz.
Trump has too many negative ideas in the average Joe mind, Cruz is relative new to them.
That's the scenario today, Trump can reverse it to his favor, he has done it in the past.
>>70079420
>damage control
>>70079239
Trump. Good thing the GOP is working so hard to steal his nomination. He had me legitimately worried for a few months
>>70079239
Cruz. Not only do polls show this but it is common sense.
Trump has alienated women, he simply can't win. he even loses with white women, who went for Romney in 2012.
>>70079239
In all honesty, they would both get BTFO'd. Kasich is the one who legitimately has a chance as he is palatable to independents and moderates, while cruz and trump alienate people who aren't already supporting him.
>>70079239
I showed my wife a pic of Trump and asked how attractive he was. She said 6/10. I showed her a picture of Cruz and she fucking screamed in horror. No joke, screamed.
>>70079378
Quit spamming this bullshit, everyone knows you are wrong.
>>70079612
this
>>70079612
This probably. Cruz is right behind Trump on the liberal hate train.
Only problem Kasich has absolutely no momentum and Trump and Cruz supporters would probably not vote if their candidate doesn't get the nomination.
>>70079341
>impying trump isn't worst
>>70079809
Only problem Kasich has is he won't be the nominee. Or quite likely won't.
Probably a 70 percent chance it is Trump or Cruz, obviously Ryan has a shit. Romney wants it but won't get it. He would have a decent chance winning though. I mean he wouldn't, but....
>>70079672
How am I wrong? There is literally not a single shred of evidence proving otherwise. Head to head polls show it, favorability ratings show it, exit polls show it (something like 36% of people wouldnt ever supoort trump, and 38% wouldnt cruz, in the REPUBLICAN nomination of all things) and 99% of anecdotal evidence shows it. Its the sad truth
>>70079239
Cruz. Trump gets absolutely destroyed by Bernie in all matchup polling. He re-energizes an already energized Dem base, while his own would be fractured merely by his nomination. Cruz might not have the same enthusiasm factor that Trump's supporters give their candidate, but he's not such a polarizing figure that would bring every one of those independents out who hate Trump to vote for the other team, and Cruz support amongst Republican leaning general election voters is strong. Cruz's own enthusiastic supporter is descent.
This covers what we currently know, and for what we can expect, while it's not within Bernie's skill set to pivot to the center (he's a dyed in the wool socialist, embracing of the word) it is for Cruz, who will rest assured that his conservative base is behind him.
>>70079595
Here we go.
The poll numbers are terrible for Trump.
>>70079965
Potato salad has more votes than Kasich
>>70079239
Which do you think appeals more to moderates and independents?
The far right televangelist or the moderate businessman from New York?
>>70080117
The far right televangelist, see: >>70080016
Trump.
The only reason the retarded Cruz cucks say otherwise is because muh polls. They're such nerdy little autists that they don't see that the people answering those polls barely know who Cruz is. Cruz is a disgusting booger eating annoyance. He's just the leading "Not Trump" candidate. If Trump were to be eliminated at the convention, they'd take one look at Cruz, his religious senselessness, his insufferable support base, and his retardo "Let's abolish the IRS guys!" policies, and they will reject him.
This happens every time. We keep falling for it.
>>70079974
What? do you mean to be replying to someone else?
I'm talking about the guy spamming the lies about Cruz not being eligible to be president.
>>70080171
yeah i meant to reply to someone else. my bad
>>70080016
>general election polls taken during primaries
>actually using these as fact
I remember Bush losing to Kerry for months back in 2004
>>70079341
Trump also repulses a huge amount of people both inside and outside the GOP who will show up just to vote him down.
In the exit poll today 39% of Republican primary voters said they will not vote for Trump in the general. Let that sink in.
>>70080041
Doesn't matter who has the most votes. It won't be decided after first ballot and team #never trump will ensure he doesn't get it.
Kasich knows he has a shot, and cruz and trump know he has a shot (well hard to say if Trump knows anything, but some of his 'advisors' know), which is why they want kasich to withdraw.
>>70080016
>>70080153
>polls this early
>reliable
Spot the idiot Britcuck.
>Trump has no chance of winning the Republican nomination. Jeb Bush is an established candidate and he's 30 points ahead of the pack.
- You
Trump, Cruz has no natural wide appeal. It's just because the republican party tries to present trump like Hitler and cruz like a saviour. Democrats would love him, because no reasonable person would vote for el ratto, the Canadian. Trump on the other hand has a good possibility of winning if he gets a chance to go on the attack on hillary. So the democratic party almost attacks trump as ferociously as republican party.
The establishment don't want trump to win, because they don't own him like they own hillary or cruz, but there is no reason to think cruz has a chance. If cruz becomes the nominee, then that is a easy win for hillary.
>>70079239
Cruz could beat Bernie, Hillary would be difficult. Trump would smash both.
>>70080311
Nobody is changing their mind about Trump. We've had to deal with his disgusting shit since the 80's and most of us find him repulsive.
>>70080254
>>70080311
Polls at this point in the race accurately predict the President 73% of the time. So it is fair to make the argument that Trump is simply too hated. He is also going to lose a huge part of the Republican party if he is the nominee.
>>70079239
Trump has actually motivated support behind him. Cruz only has support because he's somebody for Republicans to vote for, like McCain and Romney. We see what happened to them.
>>70080293
>In the exit poll today 39% of Republican primary voters said they will not vote for Trump in the general
As expected, Cruz supporters are RINOs just like the man himself, they would literally rather see Bernie or Hillary in office than the Republicans fucking winning, they're traitors to the party and the country.
>>70080371
>Trump would smash both.
kek
Trump getting the nomination is every democrats wet dream. It's just giving the presidency away.
>>70080293
How many said the same of Cruz?
>>70079239
Trump is damaged goods
>>70080458
This is not true. Cruz has the grassroots tea party support.
>>70080480
Trump supporters on /pol/ keep saying they wouldn't vote for Cruz if he was the nominee.
>>70080293
>Wisconsin
>being red ever
it doesnt fucking matter what these hicks say
>>70080480
>they would literally rather see Bernie or Hillary in office
every decent person would rather see almost anyone but trump.
But god imagine if they scrapped the 22nd and obama could run for a third term. He would beat fucking everyone by such a landslide it would be insane.
>>70080293
>In the exit poll today 39% of Republican primary voters said they will not vote for Trump in the general
As expected, Cruz supporters are RINOs just like the man himself, they would literally rather see Bernie or Hillary in office than the Republicans fucking winning, they're traitors to the party and the country. The fate of the country is in the balance, if we get Bernie or Hillary this country is fucking finished. Cruz supporters don't care, they just don't want Trump to win even if it means sinking the whole nation. As a Trump supporter, I would absolutely vote for Cruz in the general if he won the nom, because I really don't want a criminal or a communist in office.
>>70079239
Trump is basically a red Mondale in the making.
Cruz will be Mittens but much worse since the Republican party barely gives a shit about him which will inevitably translate to the general electorate. He's nothing but a bible beating, tea party loon who burned every bridge in his own party. He just happens to be the Not Trump candidate.
>>70080480
>As expected, Cruz supporters are RINOs just like the man himself, they would literally rather see Bernie or Hillary in office than the Republicans fucking winning, they're traitors to the party and the country.
The good news is they won't have to worry about the Republican convention in 2020 since the Republican party is pretty much dead after this election.
Murder Queen Hillary "Kill 'Em All" Clinton just lost here SEVENTH state in a row.
Clinton Cucks in full panic mode.
>>70080546
It's weak support. I've seen Cruz's rallies. They are dead and boring. Cruz is a stand-in for a candidate. The Republicans have to vote for somebody, so it might as well be him. It's the same thing as with McCain and Romney. Nobody gave a shit about them. Republicans just voted for the R candidate. Obama motivated people. That's why he won both times.
Neither because the candidate is going to be Bernie Sanders.
>>70079239
Cruz is an ugly motherfucker. Uglier than Nixon ugly. He's a bigger joke than Romney and would fare worse no matter the opponent. He's also a Manlet who wears 5" elevator shoes disguised as boots. He calls them his "arguing boots".(seriously)
>>7007923
cruz cannot win. he alienates just as many if not more people than trump simply because he is the poster child of what embodies everything killing the republican party: hardcore christianity and the political policies that accompany it
>>70080627
>every decent person
Are you crazy? For real. If we get Bernie in office our economy is fucked, if we get Hillary in office the whole country is owned by corporate interests, business is usual. How are people who want that in any way "decent"? Cruz isn't my go to but I'd rather see him in office (even if he's holding snakes) than either of those two because this is probably the most important election in US history, considering the current state of the nation after Obama's disastrous terms. We can't afford, nay, we can't survive, another 8 years of nationwrecking.
>>70080837
>Uglier than Nixon ugly.
Reminder that Nixon did this.
>>70080480
>Cruz is the RINO
jesus trump supporters really are this retarded, they guy just did a major back track on abortion showing you hes been bullshiting this entire election you you just lapp it up like idiots.
Cruz is going to get cucked out of the nomination as well so why does it matter?
It's more like which shill the establishment will pick vs. Hillary,
>>70079239
Cruz put the final nail in the coffin of USA.
>>70080947
Yeah because the country was ready to murder LBJ by the end of his term (they were ready to murder nixon into his second year)
>>70080927
lol at this bs you've been force fed, like obama has been anything but a moderate/center right president who has grown the economy and been pro business
choke on your own severed cock you retarded fuck
>>70080546
What is a grass root, exactly? I'm sick of this term. It's weird, and it's stupid, the people that use it are fucking faggots. I see them, and they are all faggots. I'm just a normal American citizen, not a grass root, and I don't want a goddamn ethnic in the White House, redcoat.
>>70080947
AROOO
>>70079239
clinton
>>70079239
Doesn't matter anymore. Cruz pretty much secured the nomination tonight. I'm so fucking pissed. A state is irrelevant as Wisconsin delivered the fatal blow to Trump's campaign.
>>70080480
>RINOs
They'd say the same about Trump because his promiscuity, vulgarity, brutishness ... oh yeah and liberal big government policies.
>>70081112
Grassroots are the base of the Republican party, the low level people who are part of it. Tea partiers are the major example of it.
>>70081174
Never trust a faggot ass Wisconsinite.
>>70081217
Whatever. We don't need a spic in the Oval Office. That's just straight silliness. We've been at war with these Indian savages for hundreds of years and I think we've collectively lost our minds by entertaining the idea of electing one, via the Republican Party, no less.
The Republican neo-con brand is turds. That's what McCain ran on and what Romney ran on, and it's what Cruz is running on. It's a loser.
Trump offers a different platform, more traditional conservative. Protect the border, make trade pro-America, stop paying for everybody's defense. It's an American first platform. It's the most pro-America patriotic thing I've ever heard of.
The public doesn't hear about it enough because the media slings so much shit, but after the RNC, Trump can just keep hammering it home, and it will win people who want a good future and believe we can actually have it.
>>70081174
> secured the nomination
On what planet? He wont have enough delegates for the first floor vote, and no matter how good of a ground game he plays, he wont muster enough support for the second or third votes either. He doesn't have enough money to buy theme off either.
The party will do a rule change and remove the 2012 Ron Paul rule to make other candidates viable for the nomination and pick their favorite. There is no Path for Ted unless he's secretly been an establishment Cuck this whole time.
>>70080417
Sauce on 73% figure
I think rato would have zero changes, trump can atleast attract anti-establishment crowd for independents
>>70080293
60% of Fagconsin voters support amnesty. Very few states show cuckholdry of that level. Let that sink in.
>>70079672
SHOO SHOO RATO
>>70080947
nixon won because he committed treason
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/yes-nixon-scuttled-the-vietnam-peace-talks-107623
during the election, the nixon campaign told the vietnamese government to stop peace talks and wait for him to get elected, and in exchange he would give them a better deal. there were a lot of rumors suggesting he did it, but the documents and tapes were declassified a few years ago proving he did it. nixon committed actual, literal treason to win the election.
>>70079239
They would both buttstomp her into the mud.
>>70079317
Even the Canadian realizes this
>>70081112
>What is a grass root, exactly?
A thing which makes you the candidate who has raised the most amount of money from small individual donors on the republican side.
>>70079239
Cruz
>>70080762
>I've seen Cruz's rallies. They are dead and boring
Retail politics is literally all about meeting voters in intimate settings, where they can get face time with the candidate, listen as some among them interacts with him (or gets to ask questions themselves). Trump's habit of lecturing at his audiences from a podium doesn't have the same effect, no matter the size of his audience. That produces followers, some devotedly so, but doesn't engage those on the fence nearly as well as the former approach. So while an undecided voter may attend both functions, Cruz's "dead and boring" (by you) rallies is a more effective method of persuasion. Especially of the most likely voter to attend their primaries; older (and therefore more circumspect) Republicans prone to self-interest, not those prone to fall in with the leadership principle... most of those are already democrats.
>>70079317
>Natural born citizen
>said by a fucking leaf
You mean to Canada?
