Why was America allowed to nuke japan?
Biological & chemical weapons were against the geneva protocols of 1925, even Hitler didn't want to use toxic gas despite some of his generals telling him to go all out. Nukes give off pretty nasty radiation, that lasts for decades...
>>70047338
Nobody knew the consequences of Jewish physics.
>>70047338
because who would give a shit
>>70047338
Who could have stopped them? Realistically, they could do whatever they wanted. Plus an actual invasion of Japan would probably have had a greater toll in lives.
>>70047338
>Biological & chemical weapons were against the geneva protocols of 1925
Well then it's a handy fucking thing that an atom bomb is neither of those things isn't it you dense cunt?
>>70047338
Post more Jupiter.
>>70047338
nobody knew what nuclear weapons did at the time. And therefore it wasnt banned neither
>Hitler didn't want to use toxic gas despite some of his generals telling him to go all out
thats because he himself was gassed in WW1 and he knew it was some nasty shit
>>70047540
>Plus an actual invasion of Japan would probably have had a greater toll in lives.
this meme won't die
>>70047636
what is radiation
>>70047338
It was either two nukes or the entire mainland engulfed in war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
>>70047338
>Why was America allowed to nuke japan?
Because we knew it would create anime. No regrets.
>>70047540
They should've just let the Soviets invade
Noone cares about a few russkies
>>70047338
because only the strong survive pussy.
>>70047338
The US didn't need permission...what they got was a relatively quick end to an ever escalating war...
Which is what a nations armed forces are for...
Burning people alive with incendiary bombs: lol who cares
Killing people with nuclear weapons: OMG THE HUMANITY
>>70047760
Fuck off, you goddamn leaf. Every time I see you fucking leaves posting, I get an urge to kill you slowly and painfully. You should have been wiped out of existance a long time ago, FUCKING LEAF FUCK OFF
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
>>70047338
>Hitler didn't want to use toxic gas
B-BUT MUH LOCALHOST!
>>70047338
After nukes is a 100% improvement though.
>>70047836
Thanks senpai
>>70047828
japan was already militarily defeated and negotiating peace treaties with the allies, but America rejected all their offers cuz they wanted an "unconditional surrender" which was never heard of before, most surrenders were conditional.
>>70047760
>this meme won't die
Because it's true? Japanese were supposed to fight as long as there was any shred of hope they can win. Nukes showed clearly that they can't.
>>70047760
its not a meme, do you even know what war is?
regardless, the low flying firebombing was arguably worse than the nukes
>>70047827
Not a chemical or biological
>>70048107
>which was never heard of before
What is germany?
>>70047827
Fire bombs radiate in the infrared waveband.
>>70048212
before ww2
>>70048107
>>they wanted an "unconditional surrender" which was never heard of before, most surrenders were conditional.
Nice joke leaf
>>70048206
>radiation isn't biological or chemical
right, it's spiritual energy
it's made of spirit and only effects spirits.
Which is the worse fate to befall a nation? Being Invaded by Japan or Nuked.
>>70048268
Carthage in the last Punic war.
>>70048206
>Nukes don't qualify as chemical or biological
hahahhahaha
>>70047338
>why was america allowed to do something during a global state of total war?
who was going to stop us? not defending the act itself, just saying. we were the only country with a nuke at the time and it was us vs. Japan.
>>70048338
With weapons its NBC - Nuclear, Biological, Chemical - descriptors are such in the context of weapons, no room for semantics.
You are not wrong, but each of these specific weapon types all serve a different purpose with different effects.
>>70047338
>biological & chemical
>radiation
Pick one.
Also, fuck WW2 Japan. They would have raped their way across the world if we hadn't.
>>70048418
>100 BC
lol
>>70048338
Chemical weapons are gas based toxins and biological weapons are weaponized diseases.
>>70048568
>pick one
radiation falls under biological warfare
>>70048603
radiation falls under biological warfare, since it causes dozens of types of cancer and "diseases"
>Canada defending Japan
You'd think that a Chinese person would be happy that the USA pushed Japan's shit in after Nanking
>>70048338
>Chemical Warfare Agent: according to international treaties this is defined as a chemical that inflicts casualties through its toxic effects. They aren't all gases, either, some are aerosalized liquids.
Note, some people think this bans all chemicals used in warfare, this is false. Explosives are chemicals. Heck, water is a chemical. White phosphorus is commonly misunderstood to be a chemical weapon (it is often used for screening, and even if used against personnel it creates an incendiary effect, it does not poison its victims).
Biological Warfare Agents: Similar to CWAs but biological in origin. This isn't limited to pathogens (diseases that spread from person to person). It can also include toxins that derive from a biological source, such as ricin, which is a poison made from castor beans.
Nuclear Weapons: These weapons rely on nuclear reactions in fissile material to generate an explosion that is disproportionately large when compared to a similar weight of conventional explosives.
this is why you cucks are getting your country stolen from you and enjoy being skullfucked by the chinese.
We should've nuked them a few more times, but no, now we've got grown white men jacking off to cartoons because their precious Nipponese "men" do it and "they're perfectly happy."
>highest suicide rate ever, literally cannot stop killing themselves because life is awful and the loneliness is crippling
No more half measures, America.
They got away with a war crime because they were the victors of WWII
Come on op you know this
>>70047338
>even Hitler didn't want to use toxic gas
Bad goy
>>70048711
>>70048795
>implying anyone knew what the after effects would be at the time, or that it still wasn't justified
Eat shit you displaced asian.
>>70048711
In the context of weapons, no it doesn't.
As other anons are saying (in the context of weapons and warfare) Chemical is toxins and nerve agents etc - typically gas based weapons. Biological is weaponized disease and viruses Nuclear is nuclear. Radiation can be classed as it's own weapon if not nuclear, dirty bombs and radiation poisoning, etc.
All of these weapons have specific measures to protect and counter from in the context of weapon based warfare, regardless of semantics.
>>70047338
>Why was America allowed
>America
>Allowed
No one "allows" us to do anything.
>>70047338
Jupiter a best girl.
Canadians trying to live up to some other commonwealth country level of shitposting lately.
>>70047338
There were no laws against it.
>>70048795
No it doesn't. In the military you of CBRN (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear).
The nukes were kind of a dick move but so were the firebombings. Then again I can't say that it was wrong to drop them, there was a war and fucked up shit happens in war. To be in current day Hiroshima and think about what happened there 70 years ago is quite mind boggling though.
>>70047540
>Plus an actual invasion of Japan would probably have had a greater toll in lives.
Yes it would have
But was entirely unnecessary as were the nukes in regards of winning the war as Japan already wanted to surrender and had tried multiple times.
That being said the use of these weapons in the longer run showed just how horrible they were and it is entirely possible seeing this horror lead to them never being used during the cold war
>>70047338
they were curious as to what would happen
>>70049047
there were already studies of radiation causing cancer during WW1....
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3611719/
> In 1902, the first radiation-induced cancer had been reported in an area of ulcerated skin. By 1911, there were even reports of leukaemia arising in radiation workers
>>70047338
>Why was America allowed to nuke japan?
they did not ask permission and they were bent on sending a signal to the russkies before the post war land-grab
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1494191/
>>70048190
this retards
I'm tired of hearing japs and europoors cry about Hiroshima when we killed just as many people in your everyday carpet bombing
>>70049047
We were aware of the dangers of radiation -- one of the reasons why the bombs were airburst was to minimize fallout.
>>70049399
All those studies of atomic weapons too, oh wait...
>>70049141
weapons that cause diseases fall under biological warfare...nuke radiation causes like 300 different types of diseases, immune system shut down, random mutations, beyond just cancers.
Because if someone tried to stop them, they would just get nuked.
post more Sailor Venus, pls
>>70049163
this 2bh family
1 bathroom
detached garage
>>70048107
Japan wanted to keep all the territory they had conquered.
Tough shit, assholes. That's not a surrender.
>>70047338
Japan is better than US now.who cares?
why can't people in west get over ww2?
>>70049372
Wrong. They did not want to surrender unconditionally, and that was our desire. The country getting its ass kicked does not get to dictate terms of surrender, or else the ass-kicking gets turned up. And that's exactly what happened. Japan learned a valuable historic lesson.
The last thing we wanted to do was cave to the Japanese's absurd terms of surrender by allowing them to keep their military. For what? They were lucky we didn't conquer and annex them outright. As was our right. Should we have allowed them to stay armed, keep their territorial acquisitions in Asia, allow for no occupation, and then watch them as they re-build their war machine, except this time with nukes?
Off the table. Go fuck yourself, hippie.
>>70049460
>implying an air burst would minimise fallout
>implying the real reason isn't to maximize the affected area
Go lurk on /k/, or better yet just go.
>>70047338
They shouldn't have fucking attacked us
>>70049761
>why can't people in west get over ww2?
it was the biggest war of all time and has eternal lasting implications, also it has dictated political direction ever since
you're a fucking idiot
>>70049512
>All those studies of atomic weapons too, oh wait...
they knew atom bombs give off gigantic levels of radiation since they tested them in new mexico prior to hitting Japan, and the physics of nuclear fission implies it anyway...
>>70048338
Nobody knew about radiation you dumb fucking leaf, since they had only detonated one fucking bomb beforehand.
>>70047338
Because we where at war with a fanatical enemy that would do suicide charges.
>>70048046
Underrated post
>>70047338
Who was gonna stop us? A fucking leaf?
>>70049761
>still pretending to be Japanese on 4chan
Good lord you fat fucks need a better hobby.
>>70049915
So?
You still haven't justified not using them.
>>70047828
Well technically, it only required the initial nuke.
Communications of an unconditional surrender were just slow (understandably) after the initial strike.
Tragic, but misunderstandings and miscommunications occur.
Why was Japan allowed to invade China or rape Nanking? It was wrong, boohoo :(
>>70047338
>Why was America allowed to nuke japan?
>allowed
Hey Mr Leaf. We America. "Permission" was never an obstacle. We weren't ALLOWED to nuke Japan. We had the technology, so we did it. Who was there to stop us? No one. The only one who can hold America accountable is us.
A better question is why were we morally comfortable in nuking Japan?
Answer: Because fuck you, thats why. We Merica.
>>70049926
>Nobody knew about radiation you dumb fucking leaf, since they had only detonated one fucking bomb beforehand.
one bomb is enough, since they measured the radiation levels given off...
also they didn't need to detonate one to know, if the nukes worked then the math implied heaps of radiation would be produced in the process.
>>70049761
Japan is so much better, 7th Fleet should leave. Japan obviously doesn't need inferior US support to deal with China.
>allowed
It's fucking war, you stupid Canadian asshole.
>>70049822
An air burst does minimize fallout you faggot. The vast, vast majority of fallout is irradiated dust and other stuff blown into the atmosphere - the bomb material itself isn't enough to be much fallout at all, obviously. If the bomb explodes in the air, there won't be nearly as much radioactive crap in the atmosphere as there would be if it was a surface detonation; and the higher up the explosion is, the less dust and such will be sucked up. This is why surface testing was stopped relatively early, and most tests were air bursts or underground.
>>70050093
>>70047338
Why was Japan allowed to attack Pearl Harbor?
Why was Japan allowed to use Kamikaze pilots?
Why was Japan allowed to target medics on the battlefield?
A better question would be why we allowed the Japanese race to continue existing at all.
>>70049926
Of course they knew. You don't know shit, so stop posting.
>>70050127
1. radiation weapons would break the geneva protocols of 1925, since radiation causes biological diseases, which was known already in 1910.
2. attacking civilian targets is probably also against some military convention, the firebombings were unethical as well
3. japan was already negotiating peace treaties with the allies and were militarily defeated
4. the russians were going to attack them anyway and take over, probably america wanted to control japan for economic reasons instead of giving it up to the russians
>>70047338
Actually, the allies were going to use chemical weapons on the Japanese prior to any landings.
They were stockpiling them to use.
>>70050235
Who gives a shit? I don't care about any of that. These goddamn slopes attacked us and not a single American life should have been expended beyond what was absolutely necessary to bring these slanty eyed savages to heel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ0emX5RgZQ
Let's talk about how Canada is who provided us the Uranium for Little Boy.
USA needed the fastest way to end the pacific war, as germany surrendered, Russia who wasnt at war with Japan during that all time would have entered the pacific front and USA and Russia would have to split the control of Japan at the end of the war
>>70048107
>but America rejected all their offers cuz they wanted an "unconditional surrender" which was never heard of before, most surrenders were conditional.
The mode of thought was that since WWI ended with a conditional surrender and that the German army was allowed to march home it gave the German people the perception that their military was not defeated in the field but was instead stabbed in the back by the politicians (and later the Jews). The stabbed in the back myth was thus rooted in the German psyche which gave rise to Hitler. Due to that the Allies refused to accept conditional surrenders in WWII since they wanted to make it painfully clear to the Axis nations that they were thoroughly defeated.
>>70049915
And during the test detinations on the atolls after the war, the US Navy would cruise on in to the test site to see what happened., with a warm atomic mist drifting down on them. There's old accounts of a line on the deck, with one side labeled "contaminated" and the other "uncontaminated", and they would hose sailors off and then send them to the "uncontaminated" side.
Nobody really understood it.
>>70047863
>wanting to let more countries fall to the commies in the early stages of the cold war
Not okay, greatest ally.
>>70049761
why can't you admit you committed war crimes
>Leaf asks question
>Dismisses any answers they don't want to hear.
Fucking leafs.
>>70050393
>Why was Japan allowed to attack Pearl Harbor?
military vs military.
a response to the economic warfare america was doing against japan.
>Why was Japan allowed to use Kamikaze pilots?
cuz they had balls
>Why was Japan allowed to target medics on the battlefield?
cuz their civilians were getting firebombed for no reason, cuz america has no ethics in war.
>A better question would be why we allowed the Japanese race to continue existing at all.
cuz the jew fears the samurai, while the white goys serve the jews.
>>70050479
>probably
>probably
OK now I see you're just talking out your ass.
Sorry everybody, I didn't mean to encourage him.
>>70047338
Because 'muricas were the good guys :^)
And those who realized what they've done after the war were either killed or silenced.
>>70050712
>ignore top 3 reasons
>get butt blasted by a word in the 4th reason
tard alert
>>70050711
>a response to the economic warfare america was doing against japan.
This is cuck talk. American oil and steel is American oil and steel. We can sell it or not sell it to anybody we choose. It's not up to Japan who we export our commodities to. It wasn't theirs. It was ours. They had no right to it.
>>70050885
>posts word in 2 points
>forgets already
Tard alert indeed.
>>70047338
Several reasons.
1: They killed fewer people than the other major bombings. The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were ultimately minor acts in the war, the Firebombing of Tokyo killed more people than both bombings combined. Ten times more.
2: There were no explicit laws against atomic weaponry. At the time, it was just a big bomb. People were dropping big bombs on cities all the time.
3: Allowed by who? Nobody had the authority or the means to prevent the Americans from dropping those bombs, nor to punish them afterwards.
The sad reality of the atomic bombings was that if they had spent the same amount of money on napalm, they would've killed a hundred times as many people. The bombings were symbolic, to send a message, realistically the attack was not devastating at all compared to the conventional bombings going on across the world at the time.
>>70050479
Everything you Posted comes from the writings of one Soviet sympathser intellectual. Nothing but bullshit critical theory. Nobody at the time took it seriously then, and only idiots like yourself take it seriously now.
>>70049911
stay butthurt forever then
>>70050248
yes.
I hope that trump become president.
>>70050711
Is this what passes for a Canadian these days? You people were with us on d-day you chucklecuck
>>70050711
>balls
More like lack of oil
>>70051056
point #2 is already valid and true, you can't target civilians in warfare like the fire bombings did, it's against the geneva protocols.
so the word "probably" is irrelevant, because it's true.
so the top 3 points are solid, #4 is just my speculation tying them all together
>>70050479
1. The long term, biological damage caused by nuclear weapons was unknown at the time, and was not the objective of their use.
2. If it were, literally no country in WW2 cared. Firebombings were done in Germany far earlier in the war by the Brits.
3. You don't get to negotiate with a defeated military. Especially when your "negotiation" leaves you with a military that will be able to do the same shit again in 10 years.
4. True. That's part of the reason why we wanted to accelerate Japan's defeat.
>>70047760
DUDE WEED LMAO
Should of killed more of the dumb chinks
Thank god someone in my family line got to shoot the shit out of them.
>mfw Grandfather shot pretty much every type of Asian got to see first hand the after match of the nuke and made some good mates
Japanese
Chinese
Korean
Vietnamese
Indonesian
>>70049780
In hindsight that would have been very preferable to China's rise.
>>70051181
>stay butthurt forever then
you're stuck on your series of islands and will never understand that the war had very little to do with you
you're still a fucking idiot though
>>70050711
>military vs military
>attack a navy base filled with civilians
civilians of japanese descent too, check out the names https://www.nps.gov/valr/learn/historyculture/civilian-casualties.htm
>cuz they had balls
also because they were fanatical
>war crimes justify more war crimes??????
>>70051217
>You people were with us on d-day you chucklecuck
ya, we allied with the wrong side, Canada turned to shit after that.
We should've stayed neutral, or helped the axis.
>>70047338
because they knew japan would survive. the divine wind protected them from a mongol + chinese + korean invasion that was technically the largest naval force ever
japan rebuilt after being hit with 2 nukes and the incendiary raids actually killed more people than the 2 nukes
after the short live burst of incidences of radiation sickness right after they got nuked the problems went away. literally the following year no new cases
>>70051390
We would have annexed you within a week.
>>70050691
Probably because every country that has ever gone to war has committed 'war crimes'.
>>70050711
>a response to the economic warfare america was doing against japan
I'm not saying the oil embargo was a good idea, but they were raping China for no good reason. They didn't have any right to attack us.
>cuz they had balls
And we had the balls to nuke them twice. They lost. We won.
>cuz their civilians were getting firebombed for no reason, cuz america has no ethics in war.
Imperial Japan practiced the most inhumane military tactics in modern history. Fuck off with your jap apologism. They were the bad guys and they were forced to submit to our superior military, economic, and cultural forces.
I recognize that you're probably just trolling, but fuck you leaf. I hope that we invade you soon.
>>70047338
>allowed
>>70051244
>so the word "probably" is irrelevant, because it's true
If it was truth, then why use the word at all?
Oh yeah, the asstalk again.
>>70051507
Why would we want to, fucking syrup blooded cowards
>>70047338
The United States submitted a reservation to the Geneva Protocol which ceases to be binding if an enemy state violates the protocol. Japan used chemical weapons during WWII so even if we count nuclear weapons under that protocol the US was not beholden to follow it fighting Japan.
>>70047338
""""""""""allowed""""""""""
>>70048455
they aren't
>>70051742
Forget him. He never had NBC training.
>>70051251
>1. The long term, biological damage caused by nuclear weapons was unknown at the time, and was not the objective of their use.
already studies confirming radiation caused cancer and diseases in 1910...this was 35 years later . http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3611719/
>2. If it were, literally no country in WW2 cared. Firebombings were done in Germany far earlier in the war by the Brits.
those were also against the geneva protocols, but were mainly hidden from public for a long time
>3. You don't get to negotiate with a defeated military. Especially when your "negotiation" leaves you with a military that will be able to do the same shit again in 10 years
unconditional surrender is what you ask for when you don't want peace, but when you want to destroy another country or take control of it. Anyway, the means of attaining that sort of surrender was the problem, the means were against international law.
>>70051366
>>attack a navy base filled with civilians
>navy base
there shouldn't be civilians on a navy base, the target was military.
>>70047338
Because the japs were fighting really, really, hard. The US had firebombed the shit out of Japan, destroying many square miles of cities.In fact, one of the main requirements in choosing a target was that it not be already bombed out.
Despite this, the japs didn't give up. When they fought in the Pacific Islands, the nips would surrender at a 1/20 to 1/100 rate. Compared to about 1/4 for other armies.
So the US had a decision: Either nuke them and show them, definitively, they will lose, or continue a vicious bloody fight and end up losing more people on both sides.
US developed a-bomb because there was a chance Germany would have it first. Getting material was hard work though and they had already won by the time the nukes were ready.
>>70051366
>>kamikaze
>>war crimes justify more war crimes??????
a suicide bomber attacking a military target isn't a war crime you goofball
what the fuck are you talkin about?
>>70051390
it is like you never read history of Canada or something
in WW2, Canada is not independent country, but is part of British Empire. we have to respond to British's call to arm.
Atomic bomb was new concept, and during this age, they was mostly likely view as really really powerful bomb. Radioactive was not well understood among military.
Operation Downfall prove this when they call for army to march after 24 hour of multiple atomic detonation on military area where they no doubt will be exposed radioactive and fallout.
>>70052241
Yeah, everyone knows the Japs were totally innocent!
>>70047338
>Radiation that lasts for decades
False
There was little to no fallout because the nukes were air bursts.
When a rabid dog bites you, do you bite it back? No, you put it down.
>be OP
>start a thread complaining about how America fights it's wars
>unable to convince anyone
>seem surprised
>>70049668
This
>"W-we give up! Sorry Gaijin! Now reave us arone with our country, we ront do it again..you win."
>>70050479
1.
By that logic bullets are against the Geneva protocols since an open wound leaves the body exposed to infection. Radiation is quiet literally tiny projectiles in the form of waves and particles. It isn't inherently biologic or chemical in nature.
2.
Conventions are entirely secondary in total warfare. Every civilian is a tool for the enemy. By that point in the war, bombing civilians was standard practice, and while I can't say it's moral, war doesn't care about morals; it's just about who lives and maintains their willpower to keep fighting. The Japanese had a lot of that willpower thanks to their culture. They were willing to die for the cause. Conventions like that exist to promote moral conduct; when faces with the options of a costly ground invasion and two nukes, the nukes harmed fewer people directly. No court of law should prosecute you for using a firearm to protect yourself; no international body would be willing to be opposed to such means being used in the time being use to bring about the swift end to a bloody war. This to say nothing of the fact that international bodies don't have any real power to enforce their protocols.
3.
>negotiating treaties
See >>70050573
4.
See >>70050646
It was more than purely economic reasons. The use of the atomic bomb also served as a show of strength to dissuade Russian aggression. Considering the importance of the wars fought in Asia to the cold war, it was a good long term decision.
>>70049668
no, the only thing left up for negotiation was the status of the emperor, not the land acquired in war. the japs wanted to guarantee they could keep their emperor, and for that america nuked them twice.
then they got an unconditional surrender, and the yanks let them keep the emperor anyway. America just wanted to flex its muscles and show the world what it could do, plus it wanted to conquer japan before the russians did.
the nukes ended the war as a side-effect, the intentions behind them were purely economic and political.
Most people forget that America needed to put a quick end to the war to keep the Soviets from taking large territory in Asia and keep them from being a major player in the region.
>>70047338
The right is a million times hotter than the left
>>70047338
I thought it was soviet union that dropped the bomb
>>70053020
>and scientific
Like when you get changed into swim trunks and get down to the pool and are about to dive in, but then the lifeguard says "pools closed" and you "accidentally" fall in anyways cause you've been waiting 5 hours.
We weren't allowed to nuke Japan. We did it anyways, because murica' fuck yeah. International law cannot restrict the sovereignty of the most fuckin' glorious nation on Earth.
>>70052866
>radiation. It isn't inherently biologic or chemical in nature.
its effects are severe disease causing, with no cure, which makes it fall under bio warfare.
>2.
Conventions are entirely secondary in total warfare. Every civilian is a tool for the enemy. By that point in the war, bombing civilians was standard practice, and while I can't say it's moral, war doesn't care about morals;
>It was more than purely economic reasons. The use of the atomic bomb also served as a show of strength to dissuade Russian aggression. Considering the importance of the wars fought in Asia to the cold war, it was a good long term decision.
ya, everyone in this thread agrees that the nukes and firebombings were immoral and against international law, they just seem to think they were militarily necessary to end the war, they weren't necessary. Of course they will end wars, but the means don't justify the ends in this case.
i.e The world could just nuke Syria and Iraq and totally annihilate ISIS, but in the process millions of civilians would die, the war would end, but the means would be immoral.
>>70053352
we mexican prefer the pacifist reach, breed the white outta existence. be seeing ya in 2050 :3.
>Geneva Convention
>YUrop hugbox policy having any effect on Freedomland
You probably think the UN has any power as well
>>70053462
>everyone in this thread agrees that the nukes and firebombings were immoral
No we don't you delusional resident of an irrelevant "nation."
You must be pretty flexible to be able to do mental gymnastics at this level.
>>70053724
>sign a treaty
>don't abide by it
>when your enemies break it, prosecute them
We should've saved the bomb for the Rusroaches.
Were it not for bombing Japan we would've hit Russia with the bomb in the 50's.
>>70053995
then you don't believe in ethics or international laws, you're a weird nihilist probably a degenerate too
>>70047338
I guess you could say nukes really opened their eyes.
>>70051307
What did the war have to do with you?
Fun fact, all US servicemen who have been issued the Purple Heart medal since 1945 are wearing medals from the same batch.
From this article:
>During World War II, nearly 500,000 Purple Heart medals were manufactured in anticipation of the estimated casualties resulting from the planned Allied invasion of Japan. To the present date, total combined American military casualties of the seventy years following the end of World War II—including the Korean and Vietnam Wars—have not exceeded that number. In 2003, there remained 120,000 Purple Heart medals in stock. The existing surplus allowed combat units in Iraq and Afghanistan to keep Purple Hearts on-hand for immediate award to soldiers wounded in the field.
So for everyone saying "nah man, they were about to surrender, nukes were unnecessary", this is kind of damning evidence the military was prepared for huge losses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Heart#History
>>70050441
Yeah that's why there's video of soldiers walking into mushroom clouds with no protection or knowledge of radiation and why its stated in history text books that they didn't know about it.
>>70054201
Nice ad hominem.
Doesn't refute my observation.
>>70047338
In order to prove that getting hit with a nuclear bomb was better for a city than democrat rule.
>>70047338
>allowed
>america asking for approval
40 KEKS
>>70054367
Waaaah! Ad homs!!
>>70054582
Stay out of this Bernie.
>>70047760
WEED DUDE
>>70048035
16th post best post
>>70054501
blacks are weapons of mass destruction
>>70054201
International law is a joke, leaf; law without anyone to enforce is it just a school exercise. It's pointless.
Ethics is secondary to survival. You're fooling yourself if you don't see that.
We can't nuke the middle east because we aren't the only ones with nukes now. They're international repercussions to dropping a nuke on a nation with nuclear allies that make it not worth it.
>>70054050
>He doesn't understand that justice is only something for the victor
>>70047338
Because Japs aren't human beings so they don't count
>>70047828
How could they tell who was Chinese and who was Japanese? Must have been a lot of friendly fire going both ways
Bluntly speaking, we didn't fully know what we were doing. We made the bomb, but we put radioactive rocks in kids' toys for another couple of decades before we realized that was bad for them.
Without understanding of the radioactive component, a nuke is just a really, really big bomb, right?
>>70055211
R u a QT thaitrap?
>>70047338
"Allowed."
Canacuck education.
>>70052001
>unconditional surrender is what you ask for when you don't want peace, but when you want to destroy another country or take control of it. Anyway, the means of attaining that sort of surrender was the problem, the means were against international law.
This statement betrays your ignorance of the philosophies of war. "Peace" is not an objective that any successful military yearns for. You have only truly won a war when you have successfully bent your enemy's will to your own. Peace is usually a by-product of this victory condition, but is not the condition itself.
>>70047827
energy-carrying particles emitted radially
>>70047644
Jupiter has the best ass.
>>70047338
>>allowed
No one tells us what to do, syrup commie.
>where were you when you realized americans have no right to watch anime until they apologize for nuking japan
>>70049780
Two things.
We wanted their emperor out AND their military out.
We nuked them and let them keep their emperor.
My question is why? Japan had lost. They lived by a code of honor and simply wanted the ability to defend themselves (and it's country's integrity via their emperor) against enemies that they were battling against before we fucked with them.
So what did we do? We made their country defenseless and the Chinese took over. All so we could wave our penises at the world to try to tell everybody not to fuck with us. And what happened? The Russians did anyway.
It was pointless and demonstrated power that should have been kept secret.
>>70047338
>Why was America allowed to nuke japan?
They weren't, but who can stop them and punish them?
Pro tip : that's why peoples made up God.
>>70048107
>unconditional surrender which never heard of before
>most surrenders were conditional
>never
>most
Watch out, whitey. The sun will rise again.
>>70047338
What do you mean allowed? No one will give a shit in a real war. There hasn't been a serious war since WWII.
>>70047338
Nukes arent a bio or chemical weapon dumbass.
>>70047540
>Plus an actual invasion of Japan would probably have had a greater toll in lives.
This is true. The Battle of Okinawa, alone, had more casualties than both bombs combined.
>>70056693
Considering how anti-nuke Japan is, no, no it won't. If you decide to start shit there's no threat of MAD to prevent a third nuke.
>>70051532
Only losers admit war crimes.
>>70056992
>Only losers admit war crimes.
History is written by the winners after all.
This thread needs more WAR
>>70048035
Fuck off nigger
>>70048932
>t.libtard American getting cucked by minoritys
>>70051549
>it takes courage to drop a bomb from a few hundred kilometers on an unsuspecting target
Good joke goy
>Allowed
>Thinking the US needed permission to drop it
>27 posts by this ID
>>70047338
America had the nukes, what could any other country have done about it?
Might = Moral superiority. That's how our world has always been.
>>70047760
It's not a meme. Most of the loss of lives would have been Soviet and they would have been the ones to take over Japan had we not nuked them. Japan would have been communist at least for the duration of the Cold War.
>>70055295
They asked.
>>70056693
The sun will rise if we allow it to do so. Japan would prove to be a valuable ally if it came to WW3 and I think we would be fools not to let them fully re-militarize at that point.
>>70047338
>Why was America allowed to nuke japan?
because america allowed itself to
Why not do it is the real question
>>70048338
I don't think you understand what biological and chemical weapons are.
>>70047338
because we wanted to scare the fuck out of the reds
>>70058763
all those scared amerifats lol
>>70055295
Asian 1: CHING CHONG DING DONG
Asian 2: SUZUKI UZUMAKI ATARI
One of these is Chinese, the other is Japanese.
>>70047338
Freemasons.
It's like the plot of a hentai mindbreak doujin, except replace the cock with nukes.
>>70053513
>>70052241
wasn't referring to the kamikazes as war crimes, i meant the targeting of medics.
>>70052146
yet plenty of civilians died
>>70047338
>ww2
>careing about geneva convention
good one m8
>>70060159
so, do you the bodies went *squish* or *crunch*?
>>70060449
>yet plenty of civilians died in a military base
that's the military's fault then -- justified collateral damage, otherwise you can just put some civilians in all your army bases to protect them from bombings lmfao
totally different than directly targeting civilian towns for attack. like the allies did in dresden and japan.
>>70060786
why do you care
>>70056069
Mercury is just embarassing.
Why did she even show up?
Also more, please.
>>70054263
Finally, a good leaf!
>>70059955
sitting in front of danger like you do when you let rapefugges come in your country lol
>>70047338
>allowed
What the fuck do you mean allowed?
Who is anybody to try to stop us?
Canadian shitposter, you will never be Japanese so plz stop. It is embarrassing.
No one ever talks about the really fucked up shit the jap military did.
>steal all the food from their own island villagers to sustain their troops
>then give them hand grenades and tell them to kill their families because the Americans would rape and torture them if they did not
>>70047338
The winners write the history books.
The winners determine who was wrong and who was right.
The winners say what is legal and what is not.
>>70060333
why didn't they go through with this?
Did they find out late that mexicans are shit and thought it would be bad PR to remove them?
>>70047338
We weren't "allowed" to, we just did it. The effects of radiation on humans had not been studied until then, so it wasn't considered a biological weapon. There were no rules against nukes at the time b/c they didn't exist until we invented them.
>>70059955
let me guess you would have heroically stood there and got killed
>>70054263
Kek
They planned to nuke them 12 times
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/14/u-s-planned-to-drop-12-atomic-bombs-on-japan.html
http://www.realcleardefense.com/2015/08/15/us_planned_to_drop_12_atomic_bombs_on_japan_273123.html
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_71305.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Plans_for_more_atomic_attacks_on_Japan
>>70047338
>Why was America allowed to nuke japan?
Allowed? You talk like America feels bound by any of the so called laws of war.
>>70061243
You country has signed numerous conventions and agreements prohibiting the use of such weapons, but no one really expects an American to honour a promise.
Even after 1 nuke they didn't surrender. Shows the resolve of the Japanese people, and how an invasion would have gone.
>>70062106
>but no one really expects an American to honour a promise.
this.
>>70058392
You think we did it b/c we wanted to? Those imperials just didn't know when to give up. We were sick of hopping to island after island and having to kill EVERY single Japanese soldier on each island before capturing it. We gave them a warning before Little Boy, and A second warning before Fat Man. If they'd just surrendered, maybe their people wouldn't have been vaporized.
>>70062106
>>70062369
Never trust an alliance with the powerful.
As true today as it was then.
>>70062106
>Allowed? You talk like America feels bound by any of the so called laws of war.
There was no law against nukes.
>>70051549
>I recognize that you're probably just trolling, but fuck you leaf. I hope that we invade you soon.
I hope so too, but only after Trump becomes president. I do not want to be ruled by Shillary or Panders.
>>70062317
>>70062579
Come on you newfags this shit has been covered a thousand times over.
The japanese were brokering peace before the first nuke even.
The US just wanted to test their new toy and establish global dominance.
>>70060786
>like the allies did in dresden and japan
yes. we all know this. everyone accepts that the allies killed civillians, and there's no easy way of justifying that. but i don't see how that's important? does that suddenly make japan innocent? they still stole land they had no right to, killed civilians including their own, committed large-scale rapes, and experimented on humans (just to name the crimes im aware of).
>>70062767
I'm gonna need a source on that. The weapon had been tested before, and there would've been no need for further testing after Little Boy.
>>70062106
>no one really expects an American to honor a promise
thats fair
>>70047338
Are you going to tell a country with nukes what they are and aren't allowed to do?
>>70059955
>Anon thinks he is a super commando that needs no fear
Fear is what keeps man alive since the dawn of time.
>>70059219
The Soviet Union was not at war with Japan at the time.
>>70062633
>powerful
>>70047338
>Biological & chemical weapons were against the geneva protocols of 1925
And yet, nuclear radiation is neither biological or chemical. Sorry, slope, but we followed the rules.
>>70063006
They wanted to see the effects it had on live targets, obviously.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2008/08/hiroshima_hoax_japans_wllingne.html
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/52502
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html
just google it.
>>70063001
> they still stole land they had no right to
when will this pacifist meme die
>>70048035
Haha the faggot is mad
>>70063533
Thanks for making me read all that shit. I didn't find a single piece of evidence to confirm that the Japanese did not surrender after Little Boy.
>>70063960
Shut up, leaf-nigger.
>>70047338
>why was the US allowed
because who would stop us?
also kill yourself op you're the same cucknadian from the war crimes thread earlier
>>70063960
Shut the fuck up.
>>70061801
12 would have been too many.
>>70048035
Sorry for failing back in 1812 m8. Canada was a mistake.
>>70059955
Yeah you would have parried that plane with your katana.
>>70058392
actually it did. those b29's had to pull some crazy maneuvers to not get reked by the blast.
>>70063960
fucking leaf shut your mouth
>>70047338
>allowed
In all seriousness dear shitposter no one knew the atomic bomb existed until after they were used. Also it's neither biological nor chemical dumbass.
>>70047338
>that lasts for decades
Yeah, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are radioactive deserts....
>>70047338
Japan already surrendered before the nukes were dropped on them, so it was probably just to test them out I guess.
>>70065318
Shut up you fucking cuckndian, leaf-nigger, weeb. Americans were fairly sure that their victory was inevitable at the rate the war was going at; they just didn't feel like having to kill every last god-damned jap before they won. Even if we felt we weren't going to win the war, we still would've had the nukes on our side, so nobody was scared except the soldiers who had to kill those niggers.
>>70066299
>Japan already surrendered before the nukes were dropped on them, so it was probably just to test them out I guess.
>Dat ignorance
>>70066299
Learn history, faggot.
>>70066299
wut.
>>70066414
>>70066494
Poor choice of words, they gave up and were negotiating surrender.
