Can /pol/ refute this ??
>>70039019
SHINY BEADS
Immigration wasn't illegal...also the indians didn't even have "borders" in the western sense.
lastly, it was an invasion, and the indians lost.
How was it illegal if they had no laws?
>>70039019
Just because we did it to them doesn't mean we should let others do it to us
>>70039019
Conquest
SHINY BEADS
>>70039019
Injun here, it was a doggy doggy world :^).
>>70039019
All those tribes are immigrants who slaughtered and/or pushed southward those who came before in order to steal their land
The descendants of the original inhabitants of North America were pushed into South America as a results of wave after wave of migrating tribes from Asia over thousands of years.
>>70039019
What is this bullshit, Maple nigger?
>no Erie
>no Choctaw
>no Seminole
>no Navajo
>the list goes on...
>>70039019
It was more like prior to the conquest.
>>70039019
can you show me what laws the native Serbians living in the Americas had on the books to make European immigration illegal?
Indians had no laws, no borders, nothing like pic related.
It was a conquest, not immigration. Besides, the argument that "whites did it to indians, therefore Muslims doing it is just fine!" Ask the Natives today how they think the immigration of whites into NA worked out for their people.
The difference is once Muslims take over, they won't give the natives rights or land like whites did.
>>70039019
They should have built walls.
>>70039019
Not illegal, they sold it to us.
>>70039019
The natives were constantly at war with each other. Areas traded hands between tribes countless amounts of times. They were more savage than the white man in conquering areas
A land with no laws can have none of its laws broken.
Ergo, go be a cuck elsewhere.
>>70039019
>implying redskins even had a clue they were on continent
White people made that map with those territories.
>>70039019
Is conquest illegal, now?
>>70039019
Immigration wasn't illegal at the time.
>>70039019
>actual nation called slavey
holy shit I love Indjins
>>70039019
America prior ro European colonization was grass and trees. There were no official borders and there was no such thing as illegal immigration because there were no established laws.
RIGHT OF CONQUEST
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>>70039019
Immigration =/= Conquest
We can. That map is pure fantasy.
>>70039019
Excuse me, this is blatanly discriminatory towards French Canadians. Stop being such an Anglo imperialist, please, bigot.
>>70039019
> Native Americans had national laws.
>>70039019
I like this image.
>ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION RUINED THE NATIVES!!1
>NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL, GOYIM
The doublethink is real
>colonization is immigration
>>70039019
>non-natives stole the natives' land
>let's bring in more non-natives' to America.
>>70039019
it wasn't illegal immigration, it was a conquest
>>70039019
I'll refute it as soon as you show me a map of North America, complete with borders, drawn by "native" Americans.
>>70039019
No, you are right, if the USA will let immigrants in it will surely perish like indians did.
Thanks, I think I'll shill for Trump from now on.
>>70039019
Shit map, most nations omitted, or apparently placed under the dominion of more famous neighbours. Lots of tribes are hundreds of miles from where they ought to be too! And the shitty old Aztec Empire of Vivisection wasn't much to be proud of...
No, but can you refute the fact that this many seperate tribes/nations fought bloody wars with each other? No You can't.
You can't possibly think they learned to skin a human head from the whitey that came over.
That shit was learnt LONG before whites ever came across (unless you're talking about the Euro-America Ice bridge, then gtfo you forest moss niggers, this is our land)
Regardless. """"Native"""" Americans understood warfare and gorilla tactics. Knife to knife combat and such. They weren't "Super Peaceful Nobel Druids" like you dumb fuckers think. There is a reason, and absolute reason, we called them SAVAGES.
>>70039793
Are we not being colonised by the muds right now?
>>70039919
theres a difference between barbarian invasion and colonization
Rome wasn't "colonized"
>>70039019
>Native Americans had nations
>Native Americans had BORDERS
>Implying
Sound Familiar?
>>70039019
>they keep making the "illegal immigration is bad" argument as an argument for illegal immigration
None of those countries ever existed in pic related lmao.
>>70039019
>>70040051
It effectively was. Whether or not you choose to call it "colonisation," the end result was the same
BOW AND ARROWS BTFO
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>Illegal immigrants came in, drastically changed the country, and massacred the people already there
>Therefore we must welcome illegal immigration
t. modern liberal fuckhead
They did have laws, Eurofags just didn't recognize them because Indians didn't believe in the same fairy in the sky that grants wishes that Eurofags do and now Amerifags.
This is the same as mudslimes not recognizing Western laws because they aren't sharia.
tfw when you have the same mentality as illiterate camel-fucking desert people.
America belonged to the trees and bison, before the injuns illegally immigrated to America
>>70039019
Yes, we were the alpha race and took over, we are the alpha race so we keep muslims out
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/emperor-trump
>>70039658
This. Every line on this map is wrong.
based Iroquois taking ALL the fresh water
>>70040366
Dubs don't lie; The "Native Americans" are actually native to Siberia.
>>70040351
>he must attack his country every time he defends it
>>>/reddit/
>>70040371
Maybe you were the alpha race. Today that title belongs to blacks and Arabs.
>>70039907
the reason they were called savages is because they didn't believe in the Christian god.
Same reason ISIS calls us infidels, you degenerate fuck.
>>70039919
Colonization
>Taking land that does not belong to any nation, by force.
Conquest
>Taking land from another nation of roughly equal standing to the attacking nation.
Imperialism
>Taking land that does belong to another "inferior/backwards" nation, by force.
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Immigration is not a nation forcing itself upon another, it is citizens of one nation moving to another through legal means.
>>70039019
pretty sure it was sold for a copper pot and some silverware. no indian giving
>>70040366
B-but anon they wanted to go back to siberia and the bitch bridge was no longer there, it was not their fault that they got stranded in murrica.
>>70039019
Even if I accepted that the Pilgrims were immigrants in the same way as current economic migrants are (which I don't, because they weren't coming into an established nation with a concept of borders), that wouldn't be a good argument against strict border control.
>Native Americans had open borders, and they got wiped out and shoved onto tiny little reservations to drink Listerine all day, so we should...have open borders?
If anything, the actions of the Pilgrims are the most persuasive argument that we need to keep immigrants out, lest we go the way of the Indian.
>>70039019
Too bad they all died from diseases.
I guess if we all die from diseases, then the Mexicans can have this land.
>>70040543
The end result of both is that the territory of one people becomes the territory of another people. Look at the American Southwest
Well I'm not a right winger per se but similar to Africa those territories were in state of perpetual war and indians (same as africans) perpetrated horrible, horrible atrocities on each other all the time not to mention there wasn't anything even resembling a state in there
Diamond's kinda right when he says that technology forced progress as on the old continent its clearly driving society and ideas while indians remain very far behind for at least two thousand years
Its a failed analogy
Actually America was originally made up of peaceful blacks who built civilization and shieet, but they didn't know about violence, so when the Indians invaded they got killed off.
Proof: "Aztec" Pyramids
There were no nation-states like that.
>>70039019
>empire
KANGZ status
>>70040694
If an area was sold to another nation, that would also be the same result. I don't get your point.
>>70039019
>No concept of land ownership
>Here are the lands that belong to us
>Forget about the other thousand tribes, these the ones with names I remember
>White men are evil so now you have to give your shekels to the jews and support immigration... to... make up for it or something.
>>70039319
>doggy doggy
It's Dog eat Dog
>>70040865
There's basically no difference between immigration and colonisation
>>70039193
So, you're saying we should learn from THEIR mistakes?
>>70039487
They only sold Manhattan Island.
>>70039019
>Those aethetic borders
Fuck. Would've loved if the Redman industrialized at least at a similar rate to East Asia or even Europe so we could have had another monolithic culture to weab out about.
>>70039019
And invasion is an invasion.
What else do you want you French invader?
>>70039522
>more savage
Some of them didn't even have war. Very few European countries could boast that.
>>70039019
there were no laws so it wasn't illegal
>>70039019
>Beothuk Empire
>Apache Empire
They wuz emperorz and shieet
>>70040989
>newfag
kys
What happened to the Aztecs? Fucking love that architecture.
>>70039019
Those Indian nations have a long history of war and conquest of each other.
They were not these peaceful, happy hippies leftists like to imagine.
>>70039019
What country was that?
Was it a country?
No, it wasn't a country.
>>70039019
>North American injuns
>even capable of intelligent thought
nice b8
>>70040543
>Immigration is not a nation forcing itself upon another, it is citizens of one nation moving to another through legal means.
Weird, I thought illegal immigration was illegal.
Yeah, I'd ask for the source.
>>70039019
muh noble savages
>>70039907
The practice of scalping and otherwise mutilating war dead was present in a few areas before Europeans came. The Spanish actually introduced it on a wider scale.
And some of the tribes had no warfare. Look it up. At the very worst, they weren't much more violent than Europeans at the time.
>>70041310
The conquistadores happened
>implying the indians had any kind of laws or borders set up to prevent it
>implying they were an actual nation and not just a bunch of tribes
>implying that it wasn't war that the europeans won
i will concede it's fucked up that they went back on their word so many times promising not to expand.
am i wrong about this though, /pol/? i feel like it's a left wing conspiracy, it usually is with this type of shit.
>>70041310
Its in Mexico?
A wilderness filled with literal rape gangs does not constitute a nation which can be "illegally invaded".
>>70040676
Mexicans are a sexually transmitted disease, so essentially, we are being wiped away by disease.
>>70039019
>empire
>confederacy
>supremacy
>sovernity
How did they have any of these if they had no concept of government or borders?
>>70039620
Now we have drive thu liquor stores, race wars, endless strip malls and urban decay. How does it feel?
>>70041303
>Homosexual
Get yourself rightly fucked.
>>70039019
>"""""""""""""""Empire""""""""""""""""
>>70039625
This and nothing more
>>70041378
I never said illegal immigration, I just said immigration.
It doesn't matter anyway, the process being called "immigration" in the OP is actually colonization.
>>70039019
>can pol refute this?
Sure. See all those boundary lines? They didn't exist. They weren't on any maps. The native-american populations didn't have such boundaries, except maybe "you stay on that side of that river and we'll stay on this side". The world changed, because along came a society that understood and enforced boundaries. Those people created a nation where none existed before. None. There were no nations, only populations. The locals resisted as long as they could, and then failed. Now there is a nation there. (actually three).
The idea of "illegal" comes down to nations and power. There's your refutation.
>>70041468
>Mexicans are a sexually transmitted disease
Clever
>>70041310
lots of sweaty Aztec teens breeding with tall strong spaniards
they were completely cucked
>>70039620
It's like you never heard of the Aztec Empire, the Incas, the Mayans, or the Iroquois confederacy (Six Nations).
Then again, your education system is 3rd world so I wouldn't expect you to know shit beyond the location of the nearest Carl Jrs.
>>70040543
> Legal means
TOP JEJ
>>70039019
with this...
>>70039019
>implying these shitskins can even formulate a map, showing precise land drawings
DUDE SHINY BEADS LMAO
>>70041482
If you look at the bottom-right, it's fictional
>>70040925
They had concepts of land ownership to some degree in certain regions. Most of them just had what we'd call public domain land they used for agriculture, hunting, or resources. It didn't belong to individuals or institutions.
>>70039019
1. None of those tribes names used by the tribes. Ex. "Powahatan" was the title of a chief, not the name of that tribe.
2. "Empire" and state were not really concepts known to the Native Americans.
3. This map is bullshit.
Did anyone even read the map? Its an autism map of native american nations that would exist in 2015 if there had been no Yuro discovery
>>70039019
Stone age subsistence Maple-bro, stone age subsistence.
>>70041672
>tfw every new civilization in human history is because of "illegal immigration"
>>70039019
Hmmm that's why they call it Chumash in Grand Theft Auto 5. Learn something new everyday.
>>70039019
We didn't immigrate.
We conequered.
Just like the Greece's conquered Mesopotamia, and the Romans after them.
Just like Ghangis Khan conquered all of Asia, or the Brits conquered the British Empire.
It was through blood and war, and the rules were established by the victors.
There also wasn't 8 billion people, mass immigration wasn't at the same level as today. China could easily deport enough people to put 2 to 1 Chinese populations in every country but India or Brazil.
Should have had clearly defined borders and a strong immigration policy huh?
>>70040186
The end isn't everything. Just because vassalization is the end doesn't mean Upper-Canada and Lower-Canada have a similar history or that it went the same way.
>>70039019
So you're saying that the indians needed a strong immigration policy?
>>70041344
Some of them were peaceful.
Either way, most leftists know that they weren't all peaceful, just that they were here first and that European invaders claimed the already-occupied land as all their own.
@70039019
Literally just found this site, I can't understand how it's so racist here, I mean, how can you with a straight face argue with this. Whites are invaders and killers PERIOD and America is an immigrant country.
Who gives a fuck. Fuck indians. They were in the way and now they aren't.
>>70041672
The Americas were probably unpopulated before then.
>>70039399
>Navajo
Your mom's a navajo.
>>70039019
It wasn't illegal because Native Americans had no law system, no borders, and no land they claimed as their own. Only after real Americans had made good use of what the Natives wasted did they say "our land! Gimmie gimmie!""
>>70041757
if europeans didn't discovered it then chinks or arabs would have
>>70041939
>@
oh boy that's some subtle bait... to a newfag
>>70039019
did these savages even have laws? or is that another white mans invention
@70041939
Ebin bait, mon ami
>>70040989
People like you are a diamond dozen
>>70040542
The actual reason why they were called savages was because in earlier French that was the name for people who lived in the forest, even on the Constitution of the (attempted) Republic of Quebec they said something like "every citizens will have the same rights, including the Savages."
>>70039019
There was no "nations" or "nation states". Tribes did not have sovereignty over areas.
Individual tribes of the same culture were not "united" and did not form homogenous groups. Many were competing.
>>70042005
>Europeans
>good use
>Natives
>wasted
wat
>>70039319
Half injun here
Truth. If the red man had actually settled in and built a society they could have done something about it.
>>70041939
>>70042049
1/10 at least turn regional flags off if your gonna bait them
>>70041957
maybe on your chunk of the continent
But the half breeds to the south of you are a fucking problem
And the weewas here are an absolute eye sore not to mention a fucking black hole to the tax payer.
>>70041159
No civilization is ever peaceful if it is in contact with other civilizations because they wouldn't exist as they would be conquered by other civs. You are implying that every indian civ was peaceful by that. The strong beat the weak, that is how it is, as it has always been.
>>70042049
I'M NOT FUCKING FRENCH REEEEEEEEE
>>70040371
>alpha race
>Literally getting cucked out of existence
>>70041428
Its not a left-wing conspiracy, look up "Iroquois Confederacy" its a nation made up of five separate tribes hundreds of years before European contact.
Kinda like how the US was a nation made up of five separate states.
They didn't have borders in the sense of walls/fences, but neither did Rome or Greece, they did have borders in the sense of "If you trespass on our territory you will be killed".
>>70039019
The vast majority of the land was uninhabited and hardly used.
Surprise surprise - most people had no idea how to create agriculturally capital and make the land work for them rather than working for the land.
>>70042379
fuggin sabed :DDD
>>70039019
>>70042349
Why are you displaying regional flags then? I only use this so people can see my real flag
>>70039019
Please cite the immigration laws that were violated by the Europeans.
>>70042476
kek can you do one with a trillobite and the tree?
>>70042099
Building civilizations and farming crops is a good use of land.
Using it to run around scalping each other for 50,000 years is not.
>>70041639
This.
>>70039019
>>70041939
prairie niggers are cancer. Worse than regular niggers.
>>70041939
Exactly they invaded and killed to form the country and are now defending from other invaders in the form of illegal immigration and resistance to assimilation.
>>70039019
What is your argument? Was illegal immigration good for the natives?
>>70040528
oh really? Because women and fags and liberal noodle arms let them in? Let, crying, whining, illiterate peasants into OUR countries to rape, steal and kill. and that makes them superior how?
I don't see liberals crawling over each other to get to durkadurkastan
>>70039793
i hate taylor swift posters, you're no better than those ponyfuckers
>>70042505
Same as you, because Quebec is so shit it's not even part of Canada. (Don't get me wrong, Canada is shit but Quebec is next level shit)
Also I'm an avid participant in the noble sport of flag collecting.
>>70042146
Whites wouldn't have lasted long here if the injuns didn't have societies
>>70039019
They should have built a wall then, shouldn't they have?
>>70039019
Yeah, whites are superior.
I'd rather be synthetic/cybernetic than white though.
>>70042695
>not French
>shits on Quebec
You can always leave
>>70042476
True gold.
>>70041939
Gas em.
>>70041058
yes because otherwise you're obviously saying
>we destroyed the native livelihood by invading
>therefore we must allow ourselves to be invaded and destroyed
>two wrongs have to make a right
>>70039019
The difference is whites built up their own society on the land and red man unsuccessfully tried to kick him out. Immigrants leach off of the big daddy government that whites established, and take over cities whites built with Democrat sanctioning.
> inb4 natives taught us how to grow corn
>>70039019
>making it look like nomadic tribes who regularly slaughtered eachother and didn't even build real cities had actual states
oh am laffin
>>70039019
Yes, pointing to pre-colonial America as an example to why complaining about immigration is bad is stupid is not an argument.
Claim: Immigration is bad, we need to cut back immigration into the US
"Refutation": Well, Native Americans lived in America beforehand and we're all immigrants to them and because of that immigration, America turned into what it is today, therefore it is good.
That is not an argument because it does not refute why immigration is bad, it's a red herring. In fact, it enforces it by showing that immigration changes the society and country.
>>70042821
The province is so autistic it needs to get rid of grade 12 and I need to finish fucking ''cegep'' to count for the grade 12 and go anywhere else, fuck this place seriously.
>>70042722
Not what I meant.
>>70042866
>Implying we don't have real niggers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPWwTcY-knw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc0O1-QAvr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o84mHUT5k08
>>70042574
There was agriculture and cultural development when the Indians were there. They didn't just run around killing each other all the time.
>>70039019
Sure. First, you confuse "colonization" with "immigration". And I don't see a united, full-fledged nation there, just a loose collection of tribes whose borders were obviously not that clearly defined. And I'm not aware of any laws that would have made such efforts "illegal", since, like I said, there was no clearly defined "nation".
Also, even with western society given them literally everything, Natives (hah) are one step below Niggers. At least lil' Jamal and Tyrone dream of wealth and success. Lil' Crow Big Chief McRavendick dreams of huffing gasoline and "getting back at duh white man muh landz we wuz noble tribal warrior nomads and shieeeet".
>>70042685
This x1000
It should be a ban for posting her outside of /mu/ or /b/
>>70041412
An important point is that Indians scalped during war and as a punishment. European Indian hunters scalped so they could sell the scalps for money. During the Gold Rush California paid money for adult/child scalps as a plan to wipe out all the Indians in the area.
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AZTECS
>>70042866
this needs to be destroyed. filthy subhuman savages.
>>70043180
I think they are much worse. Worse because they look to urban niggers for cultural guidance.
It's okay though. They are on the Darwin plan. They only live to be about 50 with their lifestyles and diet. Filthy, leeching, stone-age vermin.
>>70043073
You might be half-injun but you're still full retard.
There were nations like the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois confederacy), but it's not reasonable to expect indians to convince other indians to form a unified coast-to-coast nation before they knew about other continents. Hindsight is 20/20.
Plus, there were nations like Mayan, Aztec, Incas, etc.
What you might not know is 90% of Indians were wiped out by Influenza and other diseases, much like the plagues in Europe, the civilized, urban areas got hit the hardest.
>>70041310
They were ducks to pretty much every other tribe around them, so when the Spanish showed up the surrounding tribes teamed up with them to wipe out the Aztecs.
>>70043542
WE
WUZ
WALLBUILDERS
>>70039019
>Aztec """Empire"""
>that big
It was three cities and its tributaries
No Seminoles
>>70040989
What are maymays, newfriend
>>70039019
Refute it? Why would I? All I see is a map that was ruined thanks to illegal immigration, borders of people who no longer exist cause of illegal immigration
>>70046537
And a shit load of tribes paying tribute to them and being subjugated. How is that not an empire?
>>70041425
UNCOMMON
>>70046900
For the same reason it's called the United States, and not Israeli Empire
>>70039019
Native American historian here.
>"Great Sioux Nation"
There was no such thing, just a loose conglomeration of tribes bound together by common religious and linguistic backgrounds.
>Apache
>ever a nation
>ever
The "Apache" is a loose term we use to refer to an even less connected group of tribes which shared cultural and linguistic backgrounds, but that was about it. Apache tribes were all seminoadic people and constantly raided and counter-raided each other. They were damn good and bloody brutal fighters.
>Hopi
Seminomadic people certainly not contained to that blip on the map.
>Cherokee and Creek
Ignores the hundreds of different tribes there.
>Aztec Empire
It was never really that big. Its sphere of influence was all over modern-day Mexico, but mostly through tributary states which are silenced by this map.
>That entire American Northeast
It is just so wrong. It mixes up political entities with linguistic groups. There are literally a hundred or so tribes which this map ignores in favor of saying "Iroquois," "Powhatan," "Pequot," and "Mohicans." The person who made this map had absolutely no formal training in history whatsoever or else they would know that this map silences more Native American history than racist whites could ever do. Whoever made this never read Michel-Rolph Trouillot, which is standard reading in pretty much any graduate level history program.
>>70047587
Furthermore: by labeling Native American territories on a fucking map, the creator is doing exactly what dem rayciss whiteys did back in the day. I'm a white dude and I'm fucking insulted if only as a halfhanded historian.
>>70047587
Quality post t b h f a m i l i a
>>70039019
Indians were Asian migrants. They were immigrants too. Do you think they just magically grew out of the ground here? Are we playing the 5th grade game "I found it first "?
>>70039019
Fuck off
>>70039019
>illegal
injuns didn't have laws against being smallpoxed to death and having their land taken so it was perfectly legal at the time
>>70039019
what about micmacs
If the darkies beat us fair and square in combat, trickery and shit. Only then will they be the rightfully here
>>70048019
so if everyone is immigrants and no land belongs to anybody you must support communism and open borders yes?
>>70047587
Any recommended reading about native tribes senpai?
>>70039217
this
>>70039019
your map is inaccurate
>>70042596
They were conquered
Who cares
EVERYONE ITT is guilty of feeding shills in a slide thread. Type sage in the options field and report it. Don't bump it to the top, faggots.
