Why is this allowed?
Look at how easy it is for the demoshits to win the presidency? Look at how small an area of the country they need to win.
The founding fathers must be spinning in their graves.
>>70026015
you can thank the 60s for that
>>70026015
Fuck off maple syrup. Have a nice cup of our liber-tea.
>>70026015
most those states in the middle are empty
OP how old are you
>>70026015
It's based on population and this is how it's been since the beginning.
>>70026114
>>70026196
>>70026281
>>70026591
>americans actually defending this
You guys are more cucked than I though. Sad!
I mean this map is very plausible for Hillary this year...all she has to do is campaign hard in Indiana and Ohio, the rest of those states are a lock for her.
Good bye sweet America. Don't come up here looking for a rescue from your hellhole, you aren't allowed.
>>70026015
Its always been like that. Fuck off back to Canada.
>>70028032
I'm already here anon.
>>70026015
We should seperate
>>70027983
>all she has to do is campaign hard in Indiana and Ohio
Indiana is a pretty conservative state, m8.
>>70028032
>It's traditionally been a bad system
>Therefore we will continue using the bad system
>>70028519
You do know that if we had a popular vote it doesn't change much and some of those big States in the middle (Montana) actually LOSE influence, right?
>>70027983
Actually, Weedman has already set aside an entire city for Americans to move to after the election. So youll take us whether you like it or not cuck. I cant wait to rape fresh Canada women.
>>70027983
you realize states electoral numbers are based on population not land mass right? you realize voting is done by humans not land right?
>ITT: /pol/ doesn't understand how population density works.
>>70026015
Since the states have a minimum of 3 votes, ID you prioritize the smallest states you can win the presidency with 22% of the popular vote
>>70026015
Texas and California alone hold 1/3rd or so of the votes needed to win.
If a candidate won 11 of the states with the most electoral points they would win the presidency no matter how all the other states voted
The electoral college system is a joke now a days. We've had 3 presidents who lost the popular vote but we're elected because they won this shitty system
>>70026015
We should eliminate the house of representatives
>>70026015
>>70026196
>>70026114
>>70026281
>>70026591
>>70027983
>>70028032
>>70028448
>>70028519
>>70028794
>>70029098
The Population/Density has nothing to do with it. The fact that we base the system on a series of arbitrarily drawn lines is what fucks us up. A straight count of the votes would solve this problem, but so would redrawing the state boundaries so that populations are roughly equal. Seriously- Why is it fair that all 3,000,000 Conservative Votes in Pennsylvania get thrown in the fucking trash when a few faggots from Philadelphia decide to throw the vote? Same goes for NYC, Los Angeles, Seattle, The list goes on.
Friendly reminder that his is why the civil war happened. The populous North is able to push their agenda on the entire country. Except now add in California to that.
>>70026015
I used to be all for reforming the way we elect politicians to something like Europe where it's proportional and not first past the post. Nobody was in favor of that. Now we're winning and I could really give a fuck.
Also, fuck the founding fathers.
>>70029846
I live in PA and it's nothing but liberal garbage. I want to vote for Trump but knowing my vote won't even get counted, saddens me.
I hope we have another civil war. South would destroy the North. Nothing but faggots and hipsters up here who have no idea how to handle a gun. And the ones who do would not be fighting for them.
>>70026015
>Why is this allowed?
It's called democracy. George Washington won the presidency by a unanimous vote of electors (they all actually got two votes, so he really only got half, but it was the most possible for a single individual). James Madison ran unopposed in his second term.
Sometimes the national climate makes it much easier for a certain kind of populist or demagogue to win the election.
>>70030488
Hello Fellow PA bro, I know that feel. Although up by me, A lot of people are Conservative or completely Apolitical. The vast majority of actual liberals are all concentrated in one shithole of a "town", are Underage, or they're a professor. We could probably Turn the vote this year, if only Trump would Rally in Pittsburgh or Allentown. That'd get people fired up.
>>70030955
>Allentown
>My home town
>Get a chance to see Trump live
God, this would be a blessing. I wear my Trump hat every where and I am always polite when someone comes up and asks me why I am voting for him. I don't think I changed anyone's opinion but I did show how classy Trump voters can be. I get a lot of "How can you vote for someone who wants to kick out the mexicans?" and I always smile and say "Trump wants to kick out the illegals and so they are not my fellow US citizens so I have no loyalty to them. But if you were (US citizen) then I'd fight for you and your rights, not theirs." This always get shocked responses, since no one seems to have loyalty for another US civilian.
Maybe there is still hope.
>>70031836
Yeah, I don't get approached very much, although I usually wear pins, so they're a little more subtle. Worst I've got were a couple of sidelong glances from dindus, but that's to be expected in the Poconos.
>>70026015
Not at all. Would you prefer a direct popular vote? You'd get btfo worse. This is the compromise between popular and state representative republic.
>>70026015
>mfw the gop cant win
Well, OP, considering Illinois is going red and voting for Trump this year, your map is wrong.
>>70033335
I fucking wish.
Chicago alone could turn the entire state blue.
>>70030488
If you don't live in a swing state, vote 3rd party. Over time this will lead to more and more support and belief in a 3rd party.
>>70033819
>"""democracy"""
The point that everyone seems to be missing is that if the whole world were a democracy china would win every election, and would only look out for chinese interests, whilst giving no shits about anyone else. Now replace the world with the US and China with the NE and California and you see the problem. People who are culturally incompatible with my way of life have the power to tell my entire section of the country how to run solely because they import more illegals.
>>70026015
>reee more people getting more votes
are you literally retarded?
>>70029833
Please refer to Nebraska and Maine. That's the best way to do it.
>>70033335
>Illinois is going red
>dems +25
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/il/illinois_trump_vs_clinton-5583.html
>>70026015
Wisconsin is GOP now, as is Indiana and Michigan. Ohio plausibly as well.
This is why the Democrats loosing the blue steel vote is such a massive blow: since it makes it impossible for them to win and pigeonholes them to the northeast and California.
>>70033335
COME ON FEEL THE ILLINOISE
democrats import millions of voters, making sure they never lose
Trump is americas last chance to reverse this trend
>>70034066
>More people in a far off region completely different from me and culturally incompatible with my region have power over me
Are you literally retarded?
>>70026015
>Look at how small an area of the country they need to win.
Leafposters are literal fucking retards.
>>70033335
Much of it is wrong. The rust belt isn't blue anymore, this is the end result of NAFTA. The Democrats have effectively self-destructed by destroying their base.
>>70033819
Depends entirely on nigger turnout. They only turned out for Obama since he was one of their own. HRC doesn't have the same appeal.
>>70026015
The big thing you're ignoring is that for a candidate like Trump... suddenly some of those "assumed blue" states get put into play.
Probably not New York (although Trump could at least force the Democrats to put up a fight for a change), but certainly states like Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and maybe even New Jersey could be on the table.
There's enough dissatisfaction with the way the Democratic Party has failed to deliver on all it's promises since '08, that you could absolutely see some of these gimme states suddenly become very competitive.
The canadian electoral system is way worse. I'd kill to have the american system
>>70033819
>>70034140
That poll is misleading. It comes from around the time of the Illinois Republican Primary and is of voters who intended to vote in the primary. Note that Trump's numbers in the general election are almost identical to his expected Primary numbers. Illinois Republicans notoriously don't vote in the primary. In fact, last election, Democratic turnout in the actual election was down from their Primary numbers, and the Republican number increased by almost 50%.
I wrote about this for a site that I'm not going to link, but there is strong evidence to suggest that Illinois may be going to go red this year.
Balkanization is the only real answer, either peacefully or through Civil War 2 electric boogaloo.
>>70034450
Well then maybe spilt up in in individual countries it that's your problem.
>>70029833
>A straight count of the votes
You realize that would favor the Democrats even more, right? In the electoral college system, individual votes in rural bumfuck states are worth twice what they are in populous coastal states.
>>70034797
Illinois isn't even a swing state...
>>70035249
neither are Wisconsin or Michigan, both of which are fully GOP run now. The Unions that supported the Democrats there don't exist anymore, their jobs were sent south.
The eternal yank
the eternal hipster
>>70029833
Middle PA here. Philly has been fucking us for a long time. Redrawing the maps would solve this problem, so would implementing a voter aptitude test. Asking questions like: 1. Explain the separation of powers. 2. Describe the difference between fiscal and monetary policy. 3. List the 6 functions of government. 4. Name your state's reps and senators. 5. Explain your party platform.
Eh who am I kidding, people 'grading' these tests would be corrupt as fuck and let wrong answers slide. Our Republic is broken and unfortunately the only solution I see that would correct it is to let it all crumble and start over.
>>70035249
I'm that guy you replied to. No, it's not currently considered a swing state, but Illinois has a long history and its trends tend to look like big waves. We're currently at the far end of one of its trends as a democratic stronghold and the historical expectation is that it will switch back to Republican and be Republican for a long time. It's all quite interesting.
NOTE: I'm only talking about it's behavior in national elections, not necessarily local elections. Although the trend does follow slightly.
>>70035358
>the dems save the auto industry
>they will vote for the gop
So all the polls are fake? OK.
>>70029833
>A straight count of the votes would solve this problem
You are retarded. Mathematically speaking the average voter in California has less of a vote than the person in Wyoming. And we already have a safeguard in place to prevent majority rule. It's called the fucking Senate, where population doesn't matter at all. Assuming the Senate is in perfect tandem with the results of your hypothetical election, Conservatives would need only four more votes to have filibuster proof rule in the Senate. IF anything Democucks are the ones who should be complaing about their majority votes meaning coming to nothing in the overalls scheme of the government. Were in some Parliamentary system, a simple 50+1 vote would have the Democrats carte blanche to rule in however, and whatever they see fit to do.
>>70027983
> this map is very plausible for Hillary this year
You have her winning Indiana, you dipshit. Do you anything about the States or are you just a random cuck from reddit?
>>70029833
>>70035630
PA is a weird state. The Eastern part is a lot like New York/ New Jersey and the Western part of the state is more like middle-America
honestly the state should be divided differently, but whatever
>>70026015
>Ohio blue
topkek
Population you nigger
>>70036254
Ah, I see, China should be in charge of the UK.
>>70026015
>Indiana
>Blue
plz
>>70026015
We're both leaves, I know you're just shitposting.
>>70036206
Ohio will probably go blue. Ohio's hasn't gone red since 2004.
>>70026015
population. all those brown states are empty.
>>70026015
Here's your options:
Do it by popular vote: Dems always win
Do it like this: Half the time they win and half they don't.
>>70036329
Lmao
>>70035782
Both WI and MI are fully GOP run. As in, a Republican Assembly, Republican Senate and Republican Governor. Scott Walker even survived a recall election where the AFL and DNC pulled out all the stops to try and end him.
The auto industry may be alive, but the jobs aren't. Per the bailout deal GM agreed to massive layoffs and joined Ford in moving most of their jobs either to the South or to Mexico. This is how a situation like Flint's water crisis can occur in the first place.
The DNC still have their old Establishments in Madison and Detroit, but they don't have the votes for it. People moved out or moved on. And as a result they have no support.
>>70036576
Alternative:
Split the nation by ideology, then the blue faggot nation can have competitions between marxist/socialist/democrat parties and the red regions can have republican/nationalist parties competing.
The whole point of a nation is to encompass and protect culturally similar people who share a common goal or dream, at this point it has become abundantly clear that the NE and Califags aren't part of the same America as all the the central/SE regions.
>>70036803
Walker was popular a while back, but he's burned a lot of bridges by being incompetent/career focused. His run for president really soured his image
>>70036197
Question for Amerifags: are there other such examples of states like that as in being "divided" in the wrong way and some parts should historically be part of another state but aren't?
>>70036504
empty with only white people.
i swear minorities should count as 3/5 ths
>>70036870
I would be all for splitting the nation and having a loose alliance in one way or another between the two or more.
>>70026015
>The founding fathers must be spinning in their graves.
The Founding Fathers wanted educated people to choose the country's leaders. The South need not apply there.
>>70026015
>comparing deserts and wastelands with higly populated metropolies
This isn't a territorial competition, you twat.
>complaining about silly maps when the US electoral system is fucked up beyond belief in every other way
Go back to smoking weed, mapledrinker.
Also
>USA
>Democracy/citizen votes counted as equal
pick one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k
>>70036870
you dumbass, even the states with the highest margins for one party almost never go beyond 60%. its simply impossible to split the country up based on ideology without getting a massive mess
>>70037123
Well West Virginia and Virginia are the only two that come to mind on that question. They used to be one big state if I recall but then got split.
It would be even easier for the Dems to win if we went purely by popular vote.
Face it, nobody likes the Republitards.
>>70026015
>Indiana
>>70026015
supreme court was going to rule on california using illegals to inflate their population and ergo their voting strength in elections but then scalia died 'in his sleep'
>>70037264
>linking CCCP grey
why?
>>70037095
He survived reelection though and the GOP are still in total control of Madison. The Unions are unable to recover since there's no manufacturing jobs left and WI is a Right-To-Work state now.
>>70026015
>Land mass not population
>>70037123
The upper-peninsula of Michigan has really nothing at all in common with the lower and should probably be annexed to Canada or Wisconsin, if that counts.
>>70026015
Those are the most densely populated states in the union.
>>70037400
illegals don't add that much, most of CA's population growth has come from other states. This is true even past 2000. The people flooding into SF and LA are able to tolerate $1500/mo rents and $850k starting home prices. And don't forget that illegals mostly reside in places like Bakersfield or Fresno where they work, solidly Republican districts.
>>70029766
>We should eliminate the house of representatives
The House is the most democratic and locally-focused part of the federal government desu. Representatives are elected directly by relatively small groups of people (congressional districts) and they represent those districts specifically.
>>70037470
>Upper-peninsula of michigan has nothing in commin with lower
Care to elaborate why? Is it because of the density of niggers (Detroit comes to mind)?
>>70036576
>Do it by popular vote: Dems always win
Not really, dems won a plurality in five of the nine elections of since 1980 and only two of those were actual majorities. If we had a runoff requirement when no majority is reached those results would have leaned against the dems twice (in the Clinton years) and against the reps once (Bush 00).
>>70036870
Please learn about federalism you faggot.
>>70029846
>The populous North is able to push their agenda on the entire country
The less populated states are given massive advantages in this country, especially through the electoral college. I wish they would stop fucking whining already. The entire system is set up to make sure their voice is heard.
>>70026015
Its based on population not land mass you fucktard
>>70033335
>Illinois is going red
>>70037434
>implying someone's opinions alter the mathematical reality of your shitty country
That's Glen Beck level argument of:
>hurr you say 1+1=2? Well I will write 3, cause you're too leeberuhl 4 me.
>>70036504
NC has greater population than 15 of the blue stats shown. Texas more than all but one.
>>70037123
Illinois is not necessarily "divided" in a weird way, but it's a good example of how a population center can control and influence a state.
The picture I attached are the results of the 2010 and 2014 Illinois Gubernatorial elections. The dark blue in the top right is Cook County (where Chicago is), and the 3 blue counties in the bottom left are collar counties of the city of St. Louis.
In 2010, on the left, the Democrat won. In 2014, the Republican won with 50.27% of the vote.
I'm not saying this is right or wrong, one way or another, it's just an example of a localized population controlling the perception of the rest of the state, nationally.
>>70037334
They didn't "get" split. West Virginia seceded from Virginia and the Confederacy at the onset of the Civil War.
>>70034013
Except that we have the House of Representatives, which was designed specifically to give strength to the concerns of local populations (congressional districts) instead of just larger ones (states or the national popular vote)
>>70037657
No, there's not a lot of blacks in Michigan outside of Detroit. It doesn't influence the overall culture. The UP is the Scotland to Michigan's England, it's far away, isolated hinterland populated with weirdos. We have a big beach culture due to Lake Michigan being based as fuck.
>>70037815
If it weren't for Chicago and other smaller ghetto cities Illinois would be red.
>>70037853
CCCP grey will never argue for something that doesn't benefit leftists.
>>70037695
Read Politics you faggot.
It's based off of population you fucking retard.
Why the fuck should Wyoming with the population of like 10 people have the same say as California for example?
Anyway nice bait.
>>70037906
Pedantry leaf. They split from their original mass is my point.
>>70038091
Because it doesn't get its population from the mass-importation of mexicans?
>>70036576
Actually under the current system an unbelievable truckload of votes are just swept under the carpet because the winner of some states takes all the delegates, despite in the worst case something like 49% of voters not voting for one candidate.
Since especially the big cities have huge population numbers, this makes all republican votes in those perma-blue states essentially nonexistant.
A straight vote for presidency would be a hell of a lot better than the system right now, where dozens of millions of votes don't count at all.
>>70034097
>nebraska
not anymore it isnt, after obama got that one point last election the lines got redrawn again so the democrat population is divided
>>70038015
>If it weren't for people who vote blue, IL would be red
wow you're quite a political scientist over here, I'm impressed.
>>70027983
Yes it fucking does.
And by the way go look at the history of all US elections and you will realize that if it was done by popular vote there would have been 3 less Republican Presidents.
There is not even a single election where a Democratic president lost the popular vote but won the election.
Republican Candidates George W. Bush, Benjamin Harrison, Rutherford Hayed are the only presidents who lost popular vote but won the election since US politics was dominated by Republican vs Democrat contest (the only other being John Quincy Adams)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin
>>70030955
I wish trump would rally in pittsburgh
>>70038091
he's saying the super population centers of the country could literally pull entire elections every year.
we would never be able to get a conservative president in because LA and NY and can out vote the entire midwest and maybe half the south
>>70037991
Looked it up on Wikipedia and it reminded me of the fact of the USA being so fucking huge: it's bigger than my own country (30k km2 vs 42k km2) and it has the population of the city I reside in (300k)
What are all the things worth seeing in Michigan btw? I plan on visiting The Land of the Free someday.
>>70026015
Two reasons.
Time moves forward, so it's in synch with the very definition of progression. Conservatives defy what's logical.
Then there's the simple fact that sense and reason are stronger than hatred and immaturity.
>>70026015
>what is populated states vs mostly rural, low population states
>>70026015
All this happened becaue John Wilkes Booth assassinated Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln was based enough to know multiculturalism was fail
Lincoln advocated for sending all slaves back to Africa
After Lincoln richfats wanted cheap labor and were willing to shit on their nation to get it so all niggers kept in US
150 years later niggers have migrated to cities where they block vote for the give me free shit party
combine jew money and nigger block voting with self hating degenerate whites you have a group large enough to hold the 70% of white people who turned out right hostage
>>70038130
Given the way Belgium phrased his question, it didn't seem pedantic to me. WV's departure was self-determined, so it was hardly "divided in the wrong way" as the UP was by the executive.
>>70037229
>California beaners
>mexican intellectuals
>deciding the leader of free world
>Conservatards are so privileged and entitled that they think their states with 10 people should be able to overrule the vote of millions of citizens in other states
>>70038596
In 40 years your country will be Muslim majority, nice progress to worshipping a paedophile
>>70036329
>implying they aren't already
>>70038502
>never be able to get a conservative president
You had one before Obama, and how did that turn out?
>>70038887
They had to steal the election to get that one. They can thank their buddy Scalia and his friends in the Supreme Court for that one.
![mexicans101[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/494GhNJ.jpg "mexicans101[1].jpg")
>>70038818
>"""""citizens"""""
>>70038502
This is only if you abolish the electoral college but somehow keep the winner-takes-all system of states.
Both are bad. NY isn't voting 100% democrats, In 2012, Obama won NY with 63% of the votes. Romney got 36%. But since the winner takes ALL the electoral college votes, that's 2,226,637 republican votes that weren't counted.
Didn't even exist.
A direct vote for presidency without the electoral college and without a winner-takes-all rule would have drastically different outcomes and a lot less bullshit going on.
>>70039011
>Everyone in the populated states are illegals
Fuck off you delusional shit.
>>70038852
by the time that happens most muslims wont be muslims anymore or they will be the way 90% of catholics today are catholics e.g durr muh christmas and muh easter
>>70039006
So every single election where a Republican got elected was "stolen"?
>inside the mind of a retard
>tfw butthurt conservashits think that some rednecks in mississippi should have a bigger say than millions of other citizens
>>70038852
Not gonna happen because said sense and reason will also triumph over religion. Religion can't survive welfare and education.
>>70039069
>abolish the electoral college but somehow keep the winner-takes-all system of states.
That doesn't even make sense.
If there's no electoral college, then there's no need for "winning" states. "Winning" states is only necessary because that's how we determine who the electoral votes go to. Without electoral votes, it's just straight popular vote, which the Dems would win almost every time.
>>70039125
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/24/in-2014-latinos-will-surpass-whites-as-largest-racialethnic-group-in-california/
Wew lad, what's it like to be a fucking moron?
The largest democrat powerhouse is made so entirely by importation of mexicans. Suck my actually-american cock you mexishit.
>>70038048
Your system allows for a president to be decided by 22% of the population...
No matter if it helps the left or the right it seems retarded.
I don't give a fuck if it's left or right that wins, as long as the victory is fair.
>>70029833
Or how about the millions of Democrats in Texas, or black democrats in the south?
>>70029833
>A straight count of the votes would solve this problem
i may not be a fan of george w bush but he was and is thousands of times better than that retard Al Gore.
>>70039161
>So every single election where a Republican got elected was "stolen"?
Not at all. Hell, I never said anything like that.
Look here, britcuck. Here's what happened in 2000. Every other state had been decided but Florida, which was so close that a recount was needed. The Supreme Court put a stop to the Florida recount and handed the state to Bush, which gave him the election.
Yes, the 2000 election was decided by the Supreme Court. There's no way around it. They could have allowed the recount to continue, but they ruled that it would be stopped. End of story.
>>70039278
Yeah, so what? They're still citizens, fuckface.
A better solution would be to adopt a proportional representation form of government so that no one's vote is completely wasted. First past the post seems to have outlived its usefulness.
>>70039262
Well if a candidate wins the popular vote, then he should be president by definition.
But look at the difference between the electoral vote and popular vote in the 2012 election. Obama won by a sliver in the popular vote (51%) but a landslide in the electoral vote.
It is a step in the right direction in recognizing the electoral system is blatantly bad.
>>70039011
>implying illegals are even allowed to vote
>implying half of them would vote in the first place
>implying texas, new mexico and arizona don't have the highest mexican populations but still usually vote republican
kill yourself
>>70026015
>99% of the country lives in 2 states
>Hurr durr why are those 2 states worth more points?????
>>70039512
>A better solution would be to adopt a proportional representation form of government
Nigger what do you think the House of Representatives is?
>>70034787
No way NJ is going red in 2016. My dad is the republican chairman of his district, and just flipping 4 townships red took him spending almost as much time on politics as he did at his actual job, multiple long rounds of door to door campaigning, and tons of fundraisers and events. He succeeded, but just winning a single district was a long uphill battle.
>>70039560
>New Mexico
>republican
Too many injuns
>>70029833
I vote democrat in Louisiana. How the fuck do you think I feel?
![350px-Texas_presidential_election_results_2012.svg[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/XSJVAMu.png "350px-Texas_presidential_election_results_2012.svg[1].png")
>>70039560
Wew lad, you may want to do a bit of research before going full retard.
The most heavily mexican counties always go blue.
Mexicans always vote for more government, and more government programs, without fail.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/22/are-unauthorized-immigrants-overwhelmingly-democrats/
>>70037264
>wanting commiefornia to have 10 more votes
>>70040009
>Latinos who are not citizens
So they can't even vote. Quit your bitching. Who cares if they "identify as Democrats"? THEY DON'T VOTE.
>>70040250
Oh, so I must be imagining all the border counties in texas shifting blue over the last decade, my mistake.
>>70026015
More people live in those areas.
Live in Minnesota
State never votes Republican
Republicans don't care to vote, because state is so fucked up and it's a waste of time
MFW
>>70040336
So your claim is that illegal immigrants are voting. Prove it.
>>70040579
Please cite that, I said mexicans, which they are.
>>70039311
The president is just one political office. If liberals didn't want a dictator executive, they wouldn't care about the electoral college.
And that 22% is only theoretical. It's never actually happened.
>>70040250
they effect how many delegates and representatives a state has regardless of whether they can vote or not.
if we kicked all the illegals out, california would probably lose 10 congressmen and electoral delegates.
>>70040739
The article you linked to is talking about Latinos who are not citizens. If they're not citizens, then they're not voting - Period. If they ARE citizens, then they have every right to vote, and you should quit your bitching.
>>70038502
The thing that people don't seem understand is that THERE ARE CONSERVATIVES/REPUBLICANS in NYC and California.
>>70040031
I'd rather you allowed all the republicans in Commiefornia (yes, they do exist) to have their votes counted. Giving all of a state's votes to one candidate because 51% of people vote Democrat is as retarded as your food industry.
>>70041071
Read the article you cuck, about halfway down it says after they attain citizenship their habits don't change, or slowly shift to 54% demoshit, 10% republican.
>>70040336
All it took for me to register to vote was a student ID card and drivers license. Thanks to policies pushed by the democrats, illegals can obtain both of those things with relative ease. Even though they aren't "allowed" to vote, they can, and en masse.
>>70041053
see >>70039560
Texas isn't immune to that either.
>>70027983
Ohiofag here. Pretty much everybody I've talked to hates her. And not like 'She's bad but not worse than Trump' more like 'She belongs in jail and I would take Nixon again over her.'
It's a guarenteed win for Trump once people realize Kasich is no longer an option.
>>70041176
If they gain citizenship then they have the right to vote, so you should quit your bitching.
>>70026015
Because winning the votes of THE PEOPLE counts. Not winning some fucking empty desert.
>>70040579
>>70041192
Meant to reply to this
>>70041239
Daily reminder that Nixon did nothing wrong.
>>70041239
>Pretty much everybody I've talked to
When is /pol/ going to learn that the "people they talk to" don't represent their states as a whole? Every idiot on this board has a story to tell about how "all my family and friends hate Clinton and that's why my blue state is going to go red."
It doesn't work that way, Anon.
>>70029833
Yeah I know right. Can you believe that faggot Bush won over Al Gore because of this system!
Come back to me complaining about liberals when liberals actually win with a lower popular vote.
>>70041196
Cali gets far more than texas.
>>70029846
You mean then parts of the country that make money? Who gives a fuck what Montana and Mississippi want, they mean nothing.
>>70038336
I live in a city of about 230,000 people and it seems so crowded. How do people do that LA/NYC shit
>>70041171
proportional splits like maine and nebraska would be better, but you have to understand my european friend, we are a federal republic and the states have a higher authority than the citizens.
a direct popular vote for the presidency undermines that federalism and deprives less populace states of their political security against the more populace states.
also, direct election of senators was a mistake, state legislatures should elect senators.
>>70041163
Like Based Wu
https://twitter.com/BeckyWuThere
>>70041656
>direct election of senators was a mistake
kill yourself.
>>70037123
California is very very very divided
Everything north of Sonoma county is heavy heavy heavy forest, thickest forest in America, home of American marijuana and former logging. Libertarian movement and California secessionism is high
LA and SF are kike controlled shithole skeletons of an aryan city
San Diego and Orange county are very conservative and based, but mexican invasion is deteriorating our democracy.
If only the WHITE vote were counted, California would've voted Republican for president in every election since the 60s. It's liberals importing minorities that flips states.
>>70041421
>He actually wanted Al "Fly around the world multiple times in my private jet to complain about global warming and propose carbon taxes" Gore to be president
You know his carbon footprint is greater than thousands of average americans?
>>70041196
as a texan, i am well aware and that is a sacrifice i'm willing to make.
>>70026015
Ohio,NH,Wisconsin, and PA are swing states.
>>70026196
They're also responsible for a massive amount of economic production. Why should leftist states get their electoral numbers inflated by illegal immigrants, felons, and the urban poor?
>>70026015
>The right of equal suffrage among the States is another exceptionable part of the Confederation. Every idea of proportion and every rule of fair representation conspire to condemn a principle, which gives to Rhode Island an equal weight in the scale of power with Massachusetts, or Connecticut, or New York; and to Deleware an equal voice in the national deliberations with Pennsylvania, or Virginia, or North Carolina. Its operation contradicts the fundamental maxim of republican government, which requires that the sense of the majority should prevail. Sophistry may reply, that sovereigns are equal, and that a majority of the votes of the States
will be a majority of confederated America. But this kind of logical legerdemain will never counteract the plain suggestions of justice and common-sense. It may happen that this majority of States is a small minority of the people of America;[3] and two thirds of the people of America could not long be persuaded, upon the
credit of artificial distinctions and syllogistic subtleties, to submit their interests to the management and disposal of one third.
T. ALEXANDER MOTHERFUCKING HAMILTON
>>70026015
That's a majority of the population, bro.
>>70041817
educate yourself on federalism
the people already have direct representation via the house of representatives. the senate was intended to represent THE STATES NOT THE PEOPLE and was supposed to be a check on the will of people.
>>70042084
>PA
>Swing state
Cute. Tell me, when was the last time PA swung? Pretty sure that was almost 30 years ago, Anon.
>>70039560
What are you smoking? New Mexico NEVER, EVER votes Republican. They're a democratic state. Texas is so huge it can absorb the Mexican population, but Arizona is expected to start turning into a swing state.
My greatest pleasure will be reading these boards after Hillary wins.
>>70026591
The point is even if more people vote for you the states where more people live matter more so you still lose
>>70042143
I know all about federalism. Still don't care. Direct election of Senators was the right call.
>>70042265
This just because Obama won the caucus states where less people vote, but the number of registered voters is constant. Caucuses are a shitty system.
>>70042084
>WI and PA swing
Nice try. How much did the RNC waste on Wisconsin in 2012? It's a pipe dream.
>imagine the founding fathers spinning in their graves
>old dirty revered body parts smashing around in a well crafted wooden blender 6 feet below the ground
>the most independent, free, and patriotic smoothie you will ever endure
thanks OP
>>70037434
>points should be valued by who states them, not by their logical consistency and factual merit
>>70042242
>He actually wants a criminal of that scale in the oval office
What's your opinion on her foundation receiving many millions of dollars from countries that execute people for being gay, whilst claiming to be pro-lgbtqma?
What about her "marriage is one man and one woman" speech from 2001, that she completely ignores whilst claiming she's always been for the lgbtqqvma community?
>>70039232
>He actually believes this
The head of ISIS has a doctorate. Education doesn't defuse Islam, it enables it.
>>70041934
>he thinks im defending al gore
no.
All I'm saying is that I find it ironic that people are pissed of at the electoral college because people argue >le large urban cities are throwing away muh rural votes. That doesn't make a fucking difference because regardless in that scenario the popular vote would still elect president.
People don't realize the electoral college actually sways the vote because it gives more voting power to low population states like Wyoming and Alaska because each state, regardless of population, get three electoral votes and then the remaining electoral votes are distributed proportionally. And low population states tend to be Republican, benefiting Republicans.
Again, because of this system Bush won the 2000 election with less of the popular vote. If you read /pol/ you would think the major cities always throw a Dem coup each year.
>>70042686
Oh don't get me wrong. I think she's a cunt. I just want better material to troll with.
Daily reminder this country doesn't work until we repeal the 17th amendment and we go back to before the worst year in the history of America, pre-1913.
>>70029591
We've had four, and every time it was Republicans that won the electoral vote and Democrats that won the popular vote. I mean if you're gonna rally against the electoral college, you need to admit that Jackson should've had three terms, Tilden should've beaten Hayes, Cleveland should've had three terms, and Gore should've beaten Bush.
Actually, there's a proposal going around that, if enacted by enough states, would give those states' electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, effectively nullifying the electoral college, since the winner would always be the one who won the popular vote. So far, the only states that have approved it are Democrat states.
>>70042861
Most people don't understand the electoral college or why it exists. Personally I think we do need voting reform, but on a local level, not a federal one.
>>70034318
>being this delusional
>>70037123
Appalachian mountain regions (Western North Carolina, Eastern Tennessee, West Virginia+Western Virginia, Eastern Kentucky and to some extent Northern Georgia and even Alabama) are more culturally, politically and historically similair to each other than they are to the rest of their respective states.
Also, eastern Washington/Oregon state are nothing like the coasts. Might as well be west idaho.
>>70041587
LA is basically like the mass of rhode island.
takes hours to drive across it fully
>>70042926
whats the 17th amendment? something to do with central banks/Federal Reserve since you refer to 1913?
>>70037123
Nothing that breaks them into open conflict or even a lot of dislike. A lot of states like New York or Illinois are dominated by big cities with lots of minorities and the rural areas absolutely hate it. Colorado is pretty diverse with some big cities like Denver being lumped in with Mormons on the western side of the Rocky Mountains and Grangelanders (Kansas-style Bible thumpers) from the Great Plains areas.
I'd probably go with California for most divided. The people in Valley absolutely hate the people in the SF Bay or LA area.
>>70043085
I think the Electoral College made sense in in the 19th century but I think now the President should simply be elected by the popular vote.
That being said the executive branch shouldn't be too powerful. So just because one president is elected with 51% of the vote and is a liberal, he shouldn't be able to fuck around much with the states and how the operate. That would basically be mob rule.
States should obviously keep their autonomy, the president should be elected with the popular vote.
>>70043722
republicans would literally never win an election because they can't field the numbers
>>70026015
You assume indiana and wisconsin and ohio vote democratic?
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/emperor-trump
>>70043484
The 17th amendment changed how senators were elected.
Before the State congress elected senators (So State representatives), now the people of the state elect senators.
Supposedly, it lead to the Federal government getting more powerful and allowing the federal government to control more of the daily functions of state, but I still don't understand the logic behind that.
It shouldn't really make a difference whether or not Senators are elected by the people or State congress (representatives)
>>70038529
The Upper Peninsula is beautiful and untouched, nothing approaching a major city. The entire Western edge of the state should be a national park, Lake Michigan has to be seen. Lots of natural beauty. One of the best breweries in the world in Founders. If you like partying and exciting nightlife and especially electronic and techno music, Detroit will never let you down and is quite safe for visitors and is very European friendly.
>>70035630
You're literally asking for a literacy test and those are illegal senpai.
>>70043484
No. The 17th Amendment called for the direct election of Senators.
Previously, it was only the House of Representatives that was elected by popular vote, nationally. The Senate was decided by the politicians of their state. The state's politicians decided who best to represent them in the Senate.
>>70043882
Literally no candidate has ever lost with more than 50% of the vote. The only time that happens is when both are under 50%. Sometimes the guy with 48.5% beats the guy with 49%, like 2000.
>>70043722
First past for president is utterly retarded.
It's 51% only if there are two candidates. If there were 3 then you could win with 34%, 26% if there are 4 candidates... and so on.
>>70043608
>Colorado
Is it true that that state flipped to Democrat due to Californians moving there, aside from dude weed lmao? Apparently they call it 'Californication'.
>>70043882
It shouldn't have to matter because the executive branch or the president shouldn't have much autonomy to begin with.
Even when a Democrat is president, people in red states still mostly live by conservative laws and what not. And same goes for when a Republican is president, lifestyle of the blue states are mostly preserved.
but idk. i'm a bit scared with the powers the federal government assumes sometimes desu senpai.
>>70043484
1913 was horrible because that was the year of:
The 16th Amendment
The 17th Amendment
The creation of the Federal Reserve
>>70044171
Don't know if that's the case, but something like that is happening to Texas, Austin and its surrounding regions are going heavily blue as california dies to drought and all its people move here.
>>70026015
would this make you happier?
Regardless, coasts have always had more people and bigger cities, which will lead to more liberal thought. Not much you can do about it.
Voting is done by people, not by geographic area. And the lefty's have more people.
>>70034966
Fuck off you nigger
>>70044116
so would you force it to be a solely 2 party system to guarantee atleast one of them is over 50%?
Because the way it is now, there's no guarantee any candidate will be over 50%
>>70044484
Pretty much.
Balkanization is the only thing that will save individualism at this point.
>>70026015
Its based on population you dumb fuck. People dont live in those states cause they all suck grampa's droopy crusty balls.
>>70029833
pa has a population of 12 million. If you get out voted 4 to 1 you lose like the loser you are
>>70026015
small areas, but high populations
>>70033869
Good idea
Maybe in 20 elections, that will mean something
>>70044171
There was also a group of 4 leftist millionaires in Colorado who invested heavily in Democrats and leftist propaganda to help turn it blue.
Google "Colorado Big 4" or something like that. They basically do the same thing Soros does. This is why we need National Socialism to control the corporations who try to force leftism and globalism on people.
>>70044170
I see your point, but I omitted that the president would still be elected with the majority of the votes.
If no one gets a majority, eliminate the candidate with the least votes and do a count again, repeat until its down to two candidates. It is important that the president gets a majority.
And you don't have to do a revote every time a candidate is eliminated, simply ask in the ballot box who would be your preferences after your first choice.
This system would still force the president to appeal to a broad range of people instead of going after a third of the country and hoping he will get elected.
>>70044171
And a dedicated liberal barrage to turn Colorado from a swing state to a blue state. The problem is that the big cities like Denver and Boulder are insanely liberal (Boulder is actually the most liberal county in the entire country) and growing, while the rest of the state's population is the same.
It's not solid blue. We elected a Republican senator over a Democratic incumbent. But it's turning blue.
>there are so-called conservatives on /pol/ who wants to get rid of the electoral college
>Founding_Fathers_Rolling_In_Their_Graves.gif
You all need to read your Federalist, an American political science classic.
Federalist No. 68
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._68
The Electoral College: Enlightened Democracy
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2004/11/the-electoral-college-enlightened-democracy
The Mode of Electing the President
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp
>>70038596
>Hegelian Dialectic of "progress"
There is nothing new under the sun.
The Roman Empire collapsed because they kept giving more and more soverignty to non-Latin immigrants, who then broke off into their own kingdoms. By disabling white nationalism, you're simply creating a power vacuum for other types of nationalism to take control.
>>70044729
/thread
god i miss grandmas crusty cunt
>>70039232
>Religion can't survive welfare
The majority of Muslims vote for welfare parties. 45% of Muslims in Denmark get NEETbux.
>>70045290
Hamilton get out
You and your Jewish crew almost singlehandedly ruined this country permanently
Jefferson did nothing wrong
>>70044116
1876. Samuel Tilden got 51% of the vote, Rutherford Hayes got 48%. Tilden got 284 electoral votes, Hayes got 285. Hayes won.
>>70029833
Jesus Christ nigga you are batshit retarded. I have no idea how this elementary school tier logic thread keeps rearing it's ugly head unless it's a troll.
Wyoming has has 584,000 people as of 2013. That's less than the city I live in, Milwaukee. Wyoming gets 3 electoral votes due to this small population size.
California has 38.8 million people, larger than Canada. It gets 55 electoral votes due to its staggering population.
I'm not sure why you retards keep equating size with representation.
>why is it fair that 3,000,000 conservative votes get thrown in the trash
Because more people voted liberal, retard. McCain won Missouri by 4,000 votes in 2008. Why is it fair that all the liberal votes get trashed bec- No that's just it faggot, more people voted conservative. End of story. Kill yourself.
>>70039404
>didn't prevent 9/11
>2 foreign occupations
>watched housing bubble grow and burst
>borrowed money to cut taxes
W was an ass disaster of the highest order
>>70044116
lol butt fucked by
>>70046042
>>70046042
I mean, yes, but only because he cut a deal with Reconstruction.
>>70046086
shhhhhhh you're scaring the trump supporters
>>70026015
You now see why the south left
The north was able to win presidential and pass anything though congress without a single southern vote
>>70046295
lose the war lose your say. a loser is loser
>>70046261
So? You said nobody had lost with more than 50% of the vote, and you were wrong. Politicians could just as easily cut deals today
>>70045190
LA is technically the most Democrat city, in total votes.
IDK about Boulder.
>>70046086
Have you voted already, faggot?
>>70026015
Indiana is actually probably the most conservative northern state.
>>70046522
I did. Don't you have bombings to hide from, Guillaume?
>>70046492
You're right, nevermind. Boulder's only the 4th most Democratic.
>>70035630
>name your state's reps and senators
You telling me you can name all 19 or so Representatives from your state off the top of your head
>>70034013
State governments are still a thing....CIVIL WAR NOW THROW DOWN THE FEDERAL GOV
>>70044085
Because they keep the illiterate nigger hordes from voting, which Democrats can't allow. How else will they win elections?
>>70026015
Having 50 parties like everybody else to run a shot are always better than our continent's ONE party each per country. The only land mass with such a situation. And if you think we, US, or Mexico have two parties each you're fucking retarded
Until the Inbreds start populating, The blue States will dominate in the electoral college
>>70046988
Also the Democrats started as small government and still secretly are. Republicans suck with rights and economy, started as big government and pretend to be something it's not
>>70046643
>>70046643
>>70046643
kek
Just out of interest: for which candidate did your family/friends vote?
California 38.8mil pop 55 electoral votes.
1 electoral vote = 705k people
Wyoming 584k pop 3 electoral votes.
1 electoral vote = 194k people
the system is already skewed in the GOP favored. if you lose when the deck is stacked in your favor, you're just a piece of shit who doesn't should give up.
>>70047277
I'm so sick of rightist crying. Everything they want are zionist IMPOSSIBILITIES, LIES, OR IMMORALITIES AND ILLEGALITIES!
>>70047160
Being most of them are trendy 20-something year olds, probably Bernie since he and Shillary are the most competitive field whereas Cruz has a solid lock on the state.
>>70043608
>The people in Valley absolutely hate the people in the SF Bay or LA area.
Do you mean the central valley? When you say "the valley" it generally means the san fernando valley.
the central valley of california is filled with mexicans but unfortunately it's probably the single most important area in the united states.
>>70026015
basedBigStates.
have your meaningless backwoods, hicksville small town states, we'll just be here in Cali, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and New York chillin
