4000 active religions today, 40,000 sects of christinaity alone, tens of thousands of "dead" religions, all of the claiming to be the truth.
Now prove to me why YOUR religion is any less Bullshit than the rest.
>>70023968
Because my God is the only God worth killing for.
>>70024262
Prove it.
The bible is most consistently verified text in all history, read it and pray to God yourself
>>70023968
You already made this thread.
archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/69947078
>reposting this thread
>>70025337
Who verified the accounts of Jesus walking on water?
>>70023968
God is dead
>he believes in religion
Holy fuck, how can someone be this fucking dumb?
If you didn't figure out by the age of 8 that religion is pure and utter bullshit, you're an inferior human with a sub 50 IQ. Kill yourself.
>>70023968
Anon, you've let your robo-waifu go to shit. Take better care of her... you know, those 2nd gen models will rust up on you fast!
>>70025337
Based on what evidence?
>>70025651
Who are you talking too?
>>70025777
I tried to get one but my wife nixxed it, until they can do dishes and housework as well..I cant get one..Im ok with that..seems fair. I really don't care about sex anymore anyway.
>>70026369
Everyone in this thread who believes in some sort of "God"
Religion in and of itself is purely based on what YOU as an individual believes. It does not and should not matter to you or others what people believe. Let them believe what they want as long as it doesn't hurt or get in the way of others pursuing they're own freedoms.
My religion is truth to me, it may not be that way for you. People need to realize this and move past it.
Aggressive conversion should not be allowed in this day and age
>>70026553
>Truth
>Based purely on what you believe
Chose one
>>70023968
Easy. My great God is not so petty as to care about what rites people perform. Religion doesn't matter as long as faith exists and people live by certain general moral principles.
>>70026553
This is true. And sadly no one on /pol/ will listen
>muh memes
>>70023968
metal titty
>>70023968
I go to church for pot lucks and wholesome ladies
>>70025627
that guy peter who also walked on water but failed and jesus had to help hiim, no one would write that he failed to walk on water
Christian Deism is the best and the Founding Fathers believed in it.
>>70025643
so is your grandma
>>70026553
It shouldn't matter, but you have Christians trying to push their beliefs on everyone through US politics, or muslims in general causing harm to everthing around them.
>>70026553
>truth can be subjective
okay
no one who would be on 4chan actually believes that any one religion is the truth
>>70026872
but were they gayer or less gay than jesus and his aposcuckles?
>>70023968
Nothing and Something.
>>70025337
God is just a word.
>>70023968
it's almost like various cultures and genetic inclinations effect which spiritual doctrine works best for particular people.
>>70026839
That's a wise outlook.
>>70026953
This.
>>70027090
you would be even more stupid to belief that without cause somehow billions years ago life magicaly happend.
>>70026678
Relative truth seems to be a concept you can't grasp yet, friend. It's okay, here, let me help:
Have you ever found that two points of view can both be correct? There's some art out there that depicts two or more different images out of a single image based on point of view and how your brain is wired. Does that make what you see any more wrong than what someone else might see? No. You're both right. The same could be said for religious views. Their views are right to them, just as your views are right and truthful to you.
Proof that Christianity is true:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0iDNLxmWVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tyVdnIU9A
Before anyone goes "4000 religions dude!" consider this:
2+2=0
2+2=1
2+2=2
2+2=3
2+2=4
2+2=5
2+2=6
2+2=7
2+2=8
2+2=9
>B-but there are multiple answers, that means no answer is true!
>>70027404
I just watched that episode a little while ago, certainly my favorite one.
>>70027472
>magically
Just because you don't know anything about biology doesn't make things "magical". You only believe in a god of the gaps.
>>70023968
At least we have a chance that our religion is true.
>>70027577
Nobody's going to watch 3 hours of Christian propaganda you retard. As your your math problem, one of those answers has more evidence for being correct than the others, whereas all religions equally have no evidence to substantiate their claims.
Good luck applying relative truth to mathematical models friendo.
>>70027605
My favorite is the legion of madfellows one.
I love their religion, actually, which is relevant to this thread
if I were to make a religion, the religion's stupid hat would be tin foil hats, because it reminds everyone to be paranoid of all the outside world
>>70027530
>comparing subjective interpretation of a painting to anything
wew animu
>>70027658
its stil magic but without a sky daddy
I am a Christian, but focused more on the being a good person as opposed to trying to convert everyone and shunning non-believers.
Religion is a belief, and not everyone is going to have the same one. I believe God gave us free will, and whether or not you follow or believe is up to you. Free will is the ultimate freedom, and what you do with it is up to you.
For all I know, ALL religions are right. For all I know, none are. These statements go with what I KNOW. But as far as I BELIEVE:
-God exists
-He put things into motion that resulted in our creation and evolution
-He gave us free will and the ability to decide our lives, both living and after
-He gives us a path, we can follow, but ultimately we shape our destiny
-He wants us to not be total cunts and not stop believing
-Faith (God) gives us inner strength
If you don't believe in what I do, fine. I don't hurt people, I don't kill non believers, I don't judge your religion or lack thereof. Your choice, my choice, whatever.
>>70027911
Natural processes aren't magic. Magic doesn't exist.
>>70027844
You can call it propaganda, but the arguments are pretty good.
>>70023968
Free cotton candy
>>70027530
With contradictory claims, only one or neither can be correct. This is simple logic.
>>70027577
Lol..none of that is evidence they all go off the bible. look, Jesus did some amazing things, right? He fed a bunch of people with little, changed water into wine walked on water, healed people, Brought a dude back from the dead. When he was killed there was a spectacular show in the heavens earthquakes rain etc..then he rose from the dead himslef..That's all pretty amazing isn't it? Now why did not one single person that was actually there during that time commemorate ANY of those events? Not one statue, not one tablet, not one scroll, not one painting, not one piece of art or Hieroglyphics or even pictograms..not one tiny little sliver of anything from those people at that time. And the reason I question it is because there are far older events in history all over the world that DID, in fact, have things outside of just one source to corroborate them. The bible has none of that, at best you get 3rd hand speculation from people that weren't even born before the crucifixion happened. Religion..ALL religion is a lie..faith is divine.
>>70025337
>Verified? BWAHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA
>>70027472
nobody says life didn't have a cause you retard. And we can create life out of non-life too.
Take 5 dry grams in silent darkness and see my religion for yourself friend.
>>70028012
Summarize them if they're so good
Not really a religion, more of a way of life or philosophy
Encourages happiness, peace, self control and being a strong, independent man
>>70027982
if nothing came from something you belief in magic , same with the big bang the universe had a begin it was not here forever
>>70028192
No we can't, yet.
>>70027981
Christianity and pluralism are incompatible
John 14:6 I am the way and the truth and the life, noone comes to the father except through me
I urge you to read the scripture you claim to follow and not misrepresent the Christian faith
>>70027855
>implying religious symbology can not reflect resonant stability structurally apparent in the universe
>>70026953
To be fair, we are still a fairly christian nation. We were founded on many of the radical notions of the puritans and evangelicals. These notions persist today mostly due to the framework that was already in place. Our nation is going through extreme amounts of change right now as the younger generations are embracing smaller and more personalized religion, as well as atheism, more and more.
Islam is a largely unknown factor unfortunately. All I can say is that the religion is fundamentally out of place in the modern world, but maybe it will go through its own reformation.
>>70027904
How is it any different? If you can't come up with reasoning or a proper argument, I guess you'll just have to live your life knowing that you're a faggot and no one will ever love you. No wonder Jenn didn't want to go to prom with you.
>>70025337
> verified
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
>>70027472
Triggered.
So you know this for sure?
How are you going to say something so one sided and closed minded when dealing with something that is unknown. Do you realize what you are even saying?
>>70028253
FUUCKKK OFFFFFFF
YES ITS A RELIGION YOU STUPID LIBERAL HIPPIE FUCK
Go back to yaletown and fucking stay there you shit ass fucking chink faggot motherfucking cuntpaddling kale slurping dick fuck.
>>70028361
oh shid
we are just high level functions, after all
>>70028232
Basically, the Apostles did many things that a typical cult wouldn't ever do.They had no reason to die for a lie they themselves would invent. The ressurection of Jesus is the most complete explanation for their behaviour. They all died martyrs, believing in ressurected Jesus Christ.
>>70023968
Because all religion are bullshit.
Ezekiel 23:20 PROVES that Egyptians were black
How can white boys even compete
The mental gymnastics that poor and middle-class people perform to convince themselves that the thermodynamically efficient social control mechanisms we call "religions" are really sad.
But I remind myself that the ruling classes have had about 10,000 to 12,000 years of practice and a head-start. Science has really only been active for about 700 years, and has made tremendous progress.
You god-eaters are the fucking funniest though. Yeah, eating your god will make you live forever. The shit you people will believe. MC 700-foot jesus.
Really "true" are sad.
>>70023968
Why would I do that? You're combative and you won't change your mind no matter what is said. Why don't you read Chesterton or something? Hundreds of authors have given much better defenses of Christianity than you'd find on 4chan.
>>70028474
if you cant observe it its not science its faith and what the hell are you doing then
>he's still in his le pwning le fundies XDDD atheist phase
Why do you care what other people believe? Live and let live. I'm atheist, but I have no problem with people practicing whatever religion they like - as long as they don't shove it down my throat.
>>70028370
No..the majority of residents may be Christian but as a nation, we are not any one denomination..Separation of church and state.At east that is how it suppose to be, but much like trans people refuse to accept the fact that they are in fact a specific gender it does not change their gender. Christians still hold to the delusion that America is a Christian nation. If anything the nation was founded on Deistic ideals..At least the framers of our govt did it that way.
>>70026799
godbless you bro
>>70028523
>People can't trick themselves into honestly believing something that isn't true
Jim Jones, Charlie Manson and David Miscavige would like to have a word with you
This thread is going to be no where near as good as the last one OP, you should've waited another 6 hours or so to make it.
>>70028490
Buddhism is not a religion...It is a way of life..you can be A Buddhist Jew..or Buddhist christian..Buddhism does not conflict with any of the major religions teachings.
>>70025651
>>70026509
>Religion is about a man in the sky and jaybus
It's about teachings and guidance, essentially an old moral compass.
I'm sorry you're too stupid to understand this.
>>70028088
You fail to understand, OP. Perception is very powerful. As the phrase goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." If one person believes their religion is right, unless there's proof against their claims, it is right. Not to make the world sound all lovey-dovey or something, but you can't pin down religion with logic. There's a reason it is called "faith". The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
>>70028532
Euphoric
Here is a list of other fun long words:
Dispensationalism
Glockenspiel
Disestablishmentarianism
>>70028320
There are processes that can lead to life, matter of statistics. What happened before the Big Bang currently is a metaphysical question. The only valid answer at this moment to "how did the universe come into being" is "We don't know (yet)".
>>70028361
>metaphysical blabbering
>>70028370
>"...Nobody knows the Father but by me." Jesus circa bible time.
>Literally every religion doesn't "need" Jesus to come to the Father
>These two religions are true!
You're delusional
>>70028628
I never said I was going to change my mind.Why would you assume I would.I am simply asking for proof that YOUR religion is any more valid than the multitudes of religions before it. I mean you expect me to believe in Santa again after haveing no new evidence to support it? That's just ignorant.
>>70023968
There's 10000 scientific theories, 100 theories on creation all claiming to be true. Tell me why the Big Bang Theory is any less bullshit than the rest.
>>70028253
You can get all that with common sense.
>>70028806
You can be a Buddhist Christian or Jew in the west.
You might recognize these places as not being where the majority of buddhists practice.
Having conversion rituals, institutionalized heirarchy, mythological literature, and explaining the relationship of God to man are all present in Buddhism, and the watered down feel good bullshit that you've absorbed is as much a reflection of buddhism as "Islam is a religion of Peace"
>>70025337
That poster is like the American version of North Korean propaganda. The people are so over the top virtuous and patriotic.
In real life, that boy would have masturbated before curch, and would do so again after the service. And dad's dick is still wet from drilling his wife.
>>70029071
>There's 10000 scientific theories, 100 theories on creation all claiming to be true. Tell me why the Big Bang Theory is any less bullshit than the rest.
>[citation needed]
>>70029071
Because they don't claim to BE the Truth, just the best answer given what we know so far, just like the Holographic universe and multiverse theories..all have valid evidence supporting them and none claim to be the absolute truth.Try again.
>>70028906
Faith is a belief, regardless of affiliation with supernatural
Research John Lennox on the topic
My Christian faith is grounded entirely in reason, not a yearning for a comfortable truth
Truth doesn't become correct because someone believes it, that person is either right out they are wrong. It is to to them to justify themselves if they intend to defend it, and in Christendom we call this apologetics
>>70029252
No, I'm not spoonfeeding you. Google it
>>70029275
Christianity is the one and true religion. It's the best answer.
>>70023968
Because its not superstitious.
> Define religion.
But being an amazing atheist isn't exactly compelling now is it?
Mans got to live by a code.
>>70028906
If one person believes that 2+2=5...Even if no one agrees with him..Does that make it true? No it does not.
>>70028490
Buddhism is a religion just as much as stoicism is.
>>70029422
>I'm not giving you sources to enhance my argument
Viewpoint discarded.
>>70029422
Christianity is al ie just like ALL other religions..and not even original son.
>>70028990
Hey man, but that's like your opinion. I never said what my views really are. What if I didn't mean true in the sense that they are both right, but in the sense that they are able to coexist as people can believe what they want. Your imaginary friend named Sam and your friend's imaginary friend named Jewgold can both be real in your perceptions.
Also..
>interpreting religious texts literally
>not being able to understand POV
ishygddt
>>70029566
>im too stupid to google it
conversation ended
>>70029571
Big Bang Theory is retarded like all science theories.
>>70028514
>>70028973
>he thinks that resonance isn't the reason all of these things are happening
m8, e=mc^2, or are you not a science man, and don't believe all matter is energy?
>>70028641
I'm open to all ideas and beliefs. I'm not open to people that can't accept the fact that God may exist or may not exist.
Just because you have faith in something doesn't mean it's true.
I respect your faith and beliefs.
I do not respect anybody that says and argues with absolute certainty that one or the other is the true.
>>70029529
Shut up.
http://www.audible.com/pd/Nonfiction/Stoicism-A-Friendly-Beginners-Guide-to-the-Ancient-Philosophy-of-Stoicism-Audiobook/B00YHY982G/ref=a_search_c4_2_12_srTtl?qid=1459887469&sr=2-12
>>70029071
>Tell me why the Big Bang Theory is any less bullshit than the rest.
The distance between stellar objects is increasing when newton's gravity would suggest that it should decrease.
Don't think of the big bang as an explosion. That's what people used to ridicule the theory when it was conceived, ergo it is indeed ridiculous. It's simply referring to the distance between objects growing rapidly, as in the actual space between them grew, while they did not "move" per se.
Of course, there are those people who don't think Newtonian gravity is correct, ergo the big bang on silly ground as well.
But most of all, who is saying that god couldn't have created the big bang?
>>70026953
>> but you have Christians trying to push their beliefs on everyone through US politics
Yeah right. Women can wear rags over their faces in government buildings like robbers. Students are allowed to perform yoga in the athletics area. Various religious images are shown in social studies books by mistake.
Saying the pledge of pledge of allegiance is frowned on. But if a Christian prays in a school they'll spay mace in your eyes and forcibly yank students out of the class rooms.
>>70029252
Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître (French: [ʒɔʁʒə ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven.[1] He proposed the theory of the expansion of the universe, widely misattributed to Edwin Hubble.[2][3] He was the first to derive what is now known as Hubble's law and made the first estimation of what is now called the Hubble constant, which he published in 1927, two years before Hubble's article.[4][5][6][7] Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, which he called his "hypothesis of the primeval atom" or the "Cosmic Egg".[8]
this guy is a priest he did not become atheist of his own theory. Then the jews stole it and turned it into a atheist view again
>>70029674
Thanks for the special plea and I won't have it. You're just a dirty relativist. Have fun with your delusional acceptance of contradictory statements.
>>70029813
Maybe Id care about science if people didnt create really hard to understand theories. I can read the Bible so until you simplify that theory so I understand it I'm sticking with God
>>70028716
Ok, what about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsbj7EN1Uzs
Former atheist professor explains why the Genesis account of creation is the most close out of all religions.
I could also post many articles about hard to explain miracles.
Also forgot to say that the Bible contains many things that would be embarassing for a Christian to acknowledge, and that the only reason why they are in the Bible is because the Apostles wanted to tell the truth.
>>70029890
This in relation to what I said (>>70029813)
>>70029709
Again..no one has said with absolute certainty that it is true either, just the most likely explanation given the knowledge we currently have...This is why religion will one day fall...it is inflexible.
>>70029949
And to you: >>70029949
>>70023968
That's why I'm gnostic
>>70029952
>40 minute video
If you can't make your own arguments, don't bother
>>70030062
Oh your trolling
>>70030062
>>70029949
Fuck, I mean >>70029890
>>70029709
>Big Bang Theory is retarded like all science theories.
Might want to throw away your computer since the way it was built and the way it works are all based on scientific principles.
>>70029723
Physics student here actually.
>>>/x/ with the metaphysical resonance blabbering
>>70029890
The big bang is merely a model that explains how a universe that was already there underwent an extremely rapid expansion. It doesn't try to explain the birth of the universe. Accepting that the big bang is an expansion model doesn't automatically make one an atheist.
>>70023968
>40,000 sects of christinaity alone
That's bullshit
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/scottericalt/we-need-to-stop-saying-that-there-are-33000-protestant-denominations/#ixzz3znoWcbUG
>>70029756
being agnostic is the best pill. i am agnostic theist at the moment i belief but it still can go other ways
Knowledge and truth is something I consider holy.
God's vengeance will crush the deceivers.
>>70028145
Because there was something like the Roman Empire?
>>70030099
>my own arguments
Why would I do that when there are plenty already available?
>>70029388
I'll definitely give him a read, but I think you are focusing too much on the logical aspect of your religion and trying to apply that to the masses at large. It simply is not feasible as people all have their own reasons and reasoning for believing what they do.
How do you interpret the Bible/other holy works? I'm interested. As a side note, I figure I should let you know that much of my personal religious beliefs come from the power of nature and free will (which I know more than likely makes me a minority on this board).
>>70030123
Oh well if a priest believes it that does kind of make me consider it but I don't really get it.
>>70030219
>Might want to throw away your computer since the way it was built and the way it works are all based on scientific principles.
Might wanna leave your country and move to Russia since Germanic culture is based on religion.
>>70028145
Prove to me that Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon.
>>70028973
ok then, what makes these "coincidences" possible? is it not that the extant laws of physics make certain 3 dimensional structures more stable than others, and this is the result of resonance within fields of energy?
is it not true that the structure of carbon tends to form 6 bonds, because it has 6 open electrons, and this in turn tends to form dodecahedrons as these bonds increase in size, all the way on up to diamonds, the hardest mineral made on earth?
but wait, there's more
is it not, also true, that there is a substance harder than diamond?
and what is it?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/science/q-carbon-harder-than-diamond.html?_r=0
it is hexagons that are attached in 3 dimentional hexagons as well
suck it, toothpaste atheist
a lack of spiriutuality is electricity doesn't exist tier. You simply choose to disbelieve everything that hasn't been proven. By the way, that isn't science. The lack of proof of something doesn't prove that it doesn't exist. If everyone thought like you, we'd live in mud huts, because there would be no need to test any new theories, since they hadn't been proven, and therefore couldn't be true.
>>70030290
Even further lending to the fact that there should have been records you mong..The Romans as well as the Egyptians were crazy about posterity. And beside..there are MANY historical events even during the time of the Roman Empire probably BECAUSE of the Roman empire that were recorded in multiple formats and by many different people. The bible does not have that..It is a lie.
>>70030219
>physics student here
albert einsteins reanimated corpse here, no, you, unless you ahve an actual argument
>>70029890
>this guy is a priest he did not become atheist of his own theory.
I don't get why this is relevant. Why would he change his mind about religion? There are plenty of Christians that immediately spout: "But God could've created the big bang.", so why couldn't he?
>>70029944
Oh well, I guess we'll just have to accept our differences and go back to browsing the board.
Maybe we'll find each other in another thread! I look forward to it.
>>70025337
Can't believe people fell for this b8
>>70030329
Because people don't want to watch a time-consuming video in a subject they're already skeptical of
>>70030240
Do you want to be seperated from God when you die or not its that simple being fencehopper until the very end won't save you
>>70030646
I can't believe you've been trolling for so long and still aren't banned.
>>70030591
This. I do not understand what is so hard to get here.
The """big bang""" was never an atheistic theory. The whole name """"""""big bang"""""""" was created to mock the priest that came up with it.
>>70030490
The Die is Cast
Suetonius was a Roman historian and biographer. He served briefly as secretary to Emperor Hadrian (some say he lost his position because he became too close to the emperor's wife.) His position gave him access to privileged imperial documents, correspondence and diaries upon which he based his accounts. For this reason, his descriptions are considered credible. We join Suetonius's narrative as Caesar receives the news that his allies in the Senate have been forced to leave Rome:
"When the news came [to Ravenna, where Caesar was staying] that the interposition of the tribunes in his favor had been utterly rejected, and that they themselves had fled Rome, he immediately sent forward some cohorts, yet secretly, to prevent any suspicion of his plan; and to keep up appearances, he attended the public games and examined the model of a fencing school which he proposed building, then - as usual - sat down to table with a large company of friends. He got his info from already existing OUTSIDE sources of evidence. Even tho the fellow wasn't first hand.His information was. Tacitus and Josephus only had 3rd hand word of mouth info...Assuming they didn't just make it up.
>>70029949
>>70030460
>I don't understand it therefore it's not true
Literally retarded.
>>70030526
Go pick up a physics book and you'll see your usage of resonance, just like your entire point, makes no fucking sense.
>>70030219
Oh, so you think sky daddy punched a hole in this universe from somewhere else? No speculation involved there at all.
nothing about any religion makes sense if you think about it hard enough.
Why would god, a hyper-intelligence beyond human comprehension, care about stuff like gay sex and stealing goats (it's almost as if most morality in abrahamic religions reflects the social concerns of PEOPLE)?
Why would he create us imperfect in the first place?
Why would he set up the entire universe, wait 6 billion years in extreme boredom, just to have the most minute spec of be a staging ground to see which humans are allowed to go to your secret the clubhouse (the rest of course going to extreme agony for the rest of eternity)
Why does he test our faith in a way where anything can be interpreted as a sign of god?
Why would his chief representative to earth be usually some random fuck in the middle of the desert? Why would god wait 800 million years to reveal himself to humanity?
>>70030808
Why are second and third hand accounts okay for this?
>>70030572
But sir you are forgetting about it being in a jewish area, what do you think the Jews did together with the Romans.
You think 'governments' were somehow less corrupt back then. Jesus is essentially if you follow what he teaches something there shekels will never reach.
Its okay though you don't have to believe, I just don't understand why you have to argue about it all being false why the butthurt Satan Senpai
>>70030828
I'm sticking to the "we don't know yet" instead of putting my bets on an explanation that has no proof (which is equal to a god of the gaps).
>>70030912
Its only second hand based on FIRST-hand evidence.Those other guys don't even really reference a credible source for their material..they literally say that I heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy....Come on man.
>>70028822
"Moral"? Don't pick on old bald guys or sky daddy will send bears to kill you? Seriously? Seems a bit severe.
>>70030808
Your primary source is a guy that wasn't born until 20 years after it happened.
>>70030976
NOT ONE CORNER OF ONE TABLET dude..those events were WAY too spectacular to be suppressed Don't be Naive.
>>70031171
meant for
>>70031055
>>70030526
hexagons are structurally strong for mathematical reasons. Religions use countless symbols and shapes commonly, it is beyond retarded to make a connection between vaguely hexagonal shapes that appear in a few religions and the mathematical properties of a hexagon.
>>70030526
The is the most confusing post I've read, since that water-weighing story.
>>70030814
you've still not made a single argument. I know what resonance means, and I grasp it. You just know the definition, grasp nothing, so instead decide to try to act smart without any argument.
Seriously, make a real argument
>>70029434
A code? Like DNA? We've been living with that code for about 4 billion years.
>>70030857
All sins are the same
We were perfect in the beginning
If you take it literal its not 6 billion and maybe to God 1 day is x amount of years
Because when in doubt Jesus comes closer even to the apostels that still doubted it was him after the resurrection
He was born in a dirty old stable as a testament to you, no matter where you are born you can make it
Now come join me in heaven, we are all gonna make it <3 IM FAWKIN ZEEEZ BRAH
Normally I would post this in /X/...
I once heard a voice that claimed to be a demon. He told me to walk outside and I did. I saw my grandmother standing in the middle of the yard cussing. And she walked inside as if it where no big deal.
It happened to show me that it wasn't in my head. And to show how much control they "secretly" have over people. And when I watch the nightly news I can see it...
>>70031171
Again..based on FIRST-HAND accounts tho..and Tacitus and Josephus were almost 70 years After the fact they weren't even born yet. Suetonius Was alive when Ceasar crossed the rubicon and would have been aware of it at the time.
>>70030591
>I don't get why this is relevant
It is actualy because a christfag will have christfag glasses on when he does science, and a atheist atheist glasses . the priest will always think god did it how does that work
>>70030651
>Give me a reason to doubt my doubt
>I won't look at your reasons
You got material for your questions.
If you pull the wool over your own eyes you have no one to blame but yourself for your own ignorance.
The Pole did his part to honor your requests. Ball is in your court, mapleman.
>>70029422
Serious question, anon:
How old are you?
>>70029813
Aren't you something special? Special pleading much?
Hi, I'm god. Because I'm bored and a complete asshole, I'm going to make sure everything I do seems like it verifies Scientific principles. That way I can fuck with you for eternity. Now bow down bitch.
Yeah. Great image
>>70031215
mathematical reasons? like what? specifically, why snowflakes? that should give you some incite into the reason: resonance
it is because there is ambient electromagnetism that snowflakes form into hexagons, consistently, 100% of the time. That and the electrons themselves.
as the snowflake is forming, the electron cloud of the water within it has probability of being in certain places. The probability increases in the 3 dimensional shape of a hexagon
>>70023968
>making this retard thread two days in a row
>>70031295
>We were perfect in the beginning
700 million years ago people weren't "perfect"
>If you take it literal its not 6 billion and maybe to God 1 day is x amount of years
clearly no religion has actually attempted to describe god or magic (aka religion) in any detail, but it is hard to see how a few thousand years out of several billion years is an appropriate time scale for god to operate in
>Because when in doubt Jesus comes closer even to the apostels that still doubted it was him after the resurrection
??
>He was born in a dirty old stable as a testament to you, no matter where you are born you can make it
that reflects social conditions of the roman empire in how christianity to sold to the common man, not any rational behaviour of a god who could easily convince the entire world of his existence.
>>70031324
>roleplay
>>70031238
>I know what resonance means, and I grasp it
No you don't. You're just like the other tinfoil hat retards that resonance has to do with Nibiru, 12 stranded DNA and enlightenment.
>>70031366
So all you want are first hand accounts? What about the disciples or Roman officers?
>>70029434
>Muh "humanity needs religion to not lie, cheat, steal and murder themselves" -argument.
Oh please.
>>70031778
How do you justify morality without god?
>>70031324
being schizo sucks mate
>>70031626
>still no argument
>people who shit on religion but fail to understand its historical importance
I'm an atheist but I still understand that it's not just fairy tales. They were cornerstones to civilizations and there is a disturbing lack of humility instilled in the west today
>>70031567
>resonance
It has absolutely nothing to do with resonance.
http://www.doublexscience.org/why-are-snowflakes-always-six-sided/
It's pure chemistry and geometry.
>>70025337
Yeah, and Islam is the first religion in the story of mankind.
>>70031847
Common sense?
>>70023968
Isn't your personal explanation of how the universe was formed without a god just as much conjecture as the thousands of religions? You have no proof of our origins.
>>70031567
snowflakes are hexagonal for different reasons than the fact that certain types of carbon form hexagons lol. Resonance is also not limited to "hexagons", resonance occurs and stabilizes many different molecules.
>>70032039
muhamat flew with his horse to the moon and split the moon
>>70031671
Of which there are none, except for in the bible..that is using the word, In the definition of the word. You want to go really reach...The soldier that supposedly killed christ...the one that stabbed him, his name was Casca Longinus..Or something Roman..but it was CASCA...do you know that Jesus cursed him with immortality until he returns? Yep, he cant die and must forever fight in conflicts..never to know peace or death. Look it up. Its call Casca The eternal mercenary.It must be True right? Its based on a dude that night have been in the bible.
>>70031847
Objective morality doesn't exist. Secondly, there are sets of moral rules, independent of religion, that allow a civilization to either thrive or wither. And yes, it's scary to know that so many people need a book to tell them not to behave like absolute assholes.
>>70032156
>reversal of burden of proof
>>70031847
Better question, if science was able to prove there really wasn't a God, would you instantly go out and rape and kill? If so, how decent a person are you to begin with?
I don't rape kill or steal because I want to live in a civilization because chaos and mad max shit doesn't sound fun to endure. Is it so hard to believe that some people might just want to be decent to each other for the sake of being with good people, not just because they think they'll go to hell?
It looks like Reddit may have actually successfully raided us and hidden among us.
>>70030407
The Bible and its 66 books are inerrant and infallible, as God's word. There is truth outside of scripture but divine revelation is limited to this.
I think you'll find there is quite a bit of emphasis on creation and free will in the scripture, just don't let Calvinists tell you otherwise
>>70031496
Special pleading? I have not even stated what I believe, and you definitely are wrong basing of your image. I explicitly avoid stating facts like my own beliefs.
I'm sorry that you are in a rebellious phase and cannot understand that I'm only trying to make people see reason.
>>70032156
Please tell me what I said about the universe and when I said it..I'm very curious as to your ability to read shit that I never typed.
>>70032076
Will of the majority? A belief isn't good just because it's held by a lot of people. Killing an innocent person is bad no matter the context, with your morality that wouldn't be the case of the majority of people felt differently. It's very flawed.
>>70032156
the big bang is a very well supported theory, and is different than the question of why our universe exists at all which is a very hard to question to answer. Given that naturalism has steadily pushed back the possibility of god 13 billion years, it is inane to suddenly believe in a needlessly complex way for the universe to exist
>>70023968
fuck the small religions, theyre all memes
hinduism, sikhism, buddhism is polytheism = shit
now 3 left are judaism , islam, christiannity
christians are cucks, jews are, well, jews
so that leaves islam
now shiites are polytheists = shit
sunnis are niggers = shit
therefore quranist is the way to go
t. Abu Leaf
>>70029830
So christians in the US never tried to ban games, films, music, books, etc, or tried to force laws based on their religious beliefs? Being a bit less harmful than other religions doesn't make it good by default.
>>70031847
morality with a god isn't morality, it is not different than the law: do this because someone powerful tells you to. The much harder and truer exercise is using our own rationality to discover morality.
Now I feel like /pol/acks just ran out of topics to discuss.
Now we have a retard olympics bashing each other trying to prove that our completely unprovable opinion is in some ways more correct or more likely to be true based on practically nothing at all.
I`m dissapointed /pol/.
>>70032177
that's what I'm saying. Resonance is the reason for structural stability
>>70032032
this guy literally just reads words, decides they agree with his argument, and says them, ascribing absolutely zero meaning to them.
"oh it's geometry"
you're right, geometry. What is geometry? Why are certain geometric shapes more stable than others?
>>70026851
This is not true, for example moses failed after he got the people out of egypt and he was not allowed to walk them into the valley. But people think that faith is some magic word and if you pray and say the magic words you are saved, but this is not the case. The things is in order to truely believe one does not need proof, as faith is basically making an assumption without having proof for it. So the whole essence is trust, if you trust god, and you just hold on and saty true then you will be saved. I dont need proof, God has given us the bible an open letter, if people read it and understood it they would know it is the truth, but people always choose to critisce christianity before even learning the teachings. If you want some proof then just look at the most translated book in the world, its not the koran its not the king james version either, its the Jehova Witness bible, translated into more then 820 languages and new ones get added every week. This means the truth is accessible by anyone almost anywhere, no other religion can say this. And just to make sure google the most read books in the world, #1 is the bible #2 Watch Tower(J.W. magazine, which gives explanations about bible texts and essencially acts as a walkthrough through the bible.)
>>70032300
Im sorry.."infallible" you say without error you say?
Muslims weren't always barbaric. They studied astronomy and philosophy before Muhammad came into fruition.
>>70032300
What about the Gnostic gospels? Where did the Bible come from?
>>70032322
Claiming that god is scientific. Bit of a tautology.
>>70023968
It isn't. I just have faith that it may be
>>70023968
Religions don't make claims people do. That being said I see no reason why I should try to assert a belief. It would be nonsense to try. But if you'd like to make some claims and try and prove them be my guest.
>>70032563
hexagons don't have resonance because they're hexagons, many hexagon molecules do not exhibit resonance, many non-hexagonal molecules do. How does this prove god? The fact that, among the thousands of religion icons, you can find a few vaguely hexagonal shapes, and among the thousands of naturally occuring shapes in the universe, hexagons occur for well understood reasons?
>>70031847
If you need religion to give you morals then you are inherently immoral simple really
>>70032207
That's a novel dude.
>>70031999
You sound like the canadianigger power-gumper who dreams of wrapping your asshole around gump's fist.
>>70023968
If you do not submit to my religion you will be beheaded.
>>70032718
Being "scientific" doesn't mean much itself.
Problem of induction.
>>70032811
Just like the bible.......
>>70032207
You're all sorts of mixed up, son. You're either thinking of one of Caesar's assassins, or a fictional character based on the Biblical legend.
"Longinus" is unnamed in the Bible. We don't know who the roman soldier was was, and if we do, it isn't from the gospels.
>>70032595
>not understanding the difference between new and old testament
>you dun goobied
>>70032877
I see. Science is also deductive and cumulative. Maybe Chinigger writing on turtle shells and bones was the "true" religion. Not my fucking problem. They are all interesting but all are flawed.
>>70032808
I'm not saying you can't be moral without god, I'm saying you can't justify it.
who here doesnt care and just likes anime?
>>70023968
*tips fedora*
>>70032300
the bible is very much an invention of man carefully picking and choosing which end products of a massive game of telephone to put in a book together, hardly the word of god
>>70032156
>Isn't your personal explanation of how the universe was formed without a god just as much conjecture as the thousands of religions? You have no proof of our origins.
You are correct. At this moment we have no clues to how our universe got into being (purely by definition it falls into the domain of metaphysics), so the only valid answer is: "we don't know".
Of course people are working on models and explanations, but so far there are no ways to validate them.
>>70032563
Your snowflake example uses hydrogen bonds, which is based on electrostatics and geometry. Resonance bonding is a completely different area.
>>70032278
because you are raised that way , look at the shiit tier religion called islamm if you where raised in that you would not be that civilized anymore.
>When do you think the west gets in to complete chaos and when are the kids raised who steal and murder
Because it promises nothing so it doesn't underdeliver.
>>70032718
I'm not saying that. Not even close.
I'm saying the big bang does not inherently go against religion. You are a retard that simply hasn't tried to have a proper discussion with a christian.
If you think I'm christian, you are waaay off.
Please, reread my post and try to realize what a retard you are.
>>70033083
Flawed how? They're certainly not capable of being more flawed than scientific reasoning, which rests on completely logically invalid assumptions.
>>70031671
They went from "here is the alter of an unknown god" to being the only religion worth while. Apparently they believed in it enough to pass it down and even die for it.
All I see in this thread are people who parrot off what they've googled. Everyone claiming to be more knowledgeable than the other... and not a single one has read the bible (the most widely talked about, translated, and distributed books there will ever be.)
Do you think people just lie about or something?
>>70032382
If the majority of people felt differently to an innocent person getting murdered?
Well.. in that case sure. But that's not the case. You can't just make up hypotheticals and use them as proof of a "flawed system".
According to the bible, God has killed numerous innocents.
>>70028822
No, religion is only religion because of belief in a higher power. You are wrong.
>>70032811
they need to make it into a movie its a fucking awesome series and I have yet to encounter ANY character as bad ass as Casca. Example. Jesus made him absolutely unable to die no matter the cause. However, he still feels pain. In one book he is captured by the Mayans IIRC, and they go to sacrifice him, they cut open his chest, pull his heart out, and he just reaches up to grab his heart back, stuffs it in his chest and just gets up and walks off, they were all, of course, his bitch after that. Really awesome stories. And I would be less surprised that THEY were all true stories than I ould be to find truth in the bible.
>>70029206
That boy could not have masturbated because his dick is circumcised and they gave him Kelloggs cornflakes to stifle masturbation.
>>70033319
There's plenty of real world examples. The majority of people used to think slavery was okay, they also didn't think twice about a little mass rape or genocide. Would you not say that these things are objectively wrong? If not why?
>>70032076
Common sense is living for yourself while taking advantage of others who are "too stupid" to do the same and prefer to follow rules. Hardly moral.
>>70032971
Its almost like someone made some shit up based off the bible huh?...weird why would anyone do that? And the fact that you took that post seriously...just makes me lol
>>70033057
>God was an asshole that got shit done in the Old Testament. TFW Yahweh because saying God meant insta-death straight to hell
>Becomes fuzzy-feelgood-bffl in New Testament
Based God in Old Testament, not a fan of the New Testament.
I harbor my own beliefs, am Christian, but logically speaking, the bible isn't the infallible word of God.
Logic Behind the argument:
>Bible written by man
>Man imperfect
>Therefore, Bible imperfect
>Cannot be infallible word of God if imperfect
>No amount of divine whispering can make the bible perfect because of aforementioned.
Only God Himself has such a title.
>>70023968
My god has a twitter.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
>>70033057
I'm sorry...were those things NOT in the bible...cuz they sure as hell were..and plenty of the contradictions are in the NT as well...You should stretch before you reach so far friendo..you might pull something.
>>70032569
I dont know but kings james bible is best translation you can even check the hebrew translation
>>70033677
This is literally the argument that led to Islam
>>70033131
>>70033131
Damnit guys...im shut down someone posted the le fedora maymay...cant fight that fir sure.......lol
>>70032783
The reasons are well understood to some, yes
when you realize that the reason things are visibly hexagons, is because energy at it's most minute levels, forms resonant structures ( which always happens by the way; look at the structures of various minerals/ crystals/ rocks, they form the same shape on a microscopic level as a visible size) then you will know that resonance exists on all levels of physical reality
all matter itself is energy. How then, does this energy consistently form the same atoms/ subatomic particles? Because of the physical laws of the universe being consistent, these various amounts of energy in energy packets are somewhat stable, moreso than other consfigurations, which are less common in nature, and some others, which do not naturally occur, and others which are phsyically impossible
This, of course, does not prove any religion. It simply proves that there is natural law in place which can not be broken. This natural law is often argued to be the framework of every religion, with various doctrines attached on top.
I am not religious. I don't have any system of beliefs. My favorite spiritual writing is probably the Hermetic Kybalion. I think spirituality is a must, because it is in human nature, spirituality is literally the mental state of preferring seratonin channels over dopamine channels, on a neurobiological level. But religious dogmatism is JUST seratonin. JUST imagination, no logical proofs. I believe that the true and best way to live is to put seratonin over dopamine, yet nurture the growth of both major neurotransmitter systems.
>>70023968
Because Jesus was a real person. It is that simple. Is miracles are documented outside of the Bible, many witnessed the resurrection and died from torture for not renouncing Jesus. There are writings of Jesus' miracles outside of the Bible. The roman empire made a mass conversion after killing the messenger because the messenger came back.
>>70033677
If you don't take parts of the Bible as simply true, then you have no basis whatsoever to practice Christianity and think of yourself as a Christian. You necessarily must commit to axiomatic beliefs in order to have faith sufficient for salvation.
>>70033586
Legends exist. Film at 11
What is your point?
>>70033524
What about the crusades? I don't see the "Code of God" stopping them in their mass murdering quests.
Hey. I for one do not believe this ingrained current slave moral is beneficial to the rise of human civilization.
>>70033867
You literally spam the same thread. If you're not a nigger, you're a pseudo-nigger.
>>70026953
You mean degenerate heretics are trying to take away the thing that made America great in the first place. Christianity.
>>70033410
I'm cut and I jerk off all the time. I don't even get where the hand lotion meme comes from, I've never used hand lotion and things work fine down there
>>70033115
you need two things to mral and two things only.
Pain
Empathy
Following the ONLY rule God actually gave us "do unto others..." takes care of all moral shortcomings...sans religion.
>>70034221
Im the OP you mong....its my thread.
>>70034151
What is your basis or justification for saying the crusades were wrong? You believe in the morality of the majority so by your own standards they were morally permissible.
>>70023968
You are WEAK! You BEG for enslavement, you BEG!!
>>70034306
This same fucking thread was made yesterday and you either did it or know it. How many goats do you fuck Abdul?
>>70033901
>It simply proves that there is natural law in place which can not be broken.
So basically the laws of physics.
>>70033910
>documented in the Bible
>70 years after the supposed events at the earliest
>which means they couldn't possibly be first hand accounts
I guess we have different definitions of "documented."
>>70033115
Of course it can be justified.
We are inherently moral for the same reasons packs of wolfs stick together.
We are social beings, because being social equals being prosperous.
>>70034243
So is genocide permissible as long as you don't see it or hear it?
>>70034428
At the time, in those circles, yea of course they were. And they were Christians. These guys probably knew the bible by heart.
Why are you not mentioning this in your reply?
>>70034566
That's an appeal to nature. If you look into a history book you'll see that we're not inherently moral. Our morality isn't altruistic either. If we're both prosperous what's stopping me from killing you and being even more prosperous?
>>70034513
lol you again.
I get it bro, you are incapable of assigning any meaning to things
the laws of physics, yes
I'm arguing with a wall here. You simply do not have the mental configuration to understand spirituality. You probably fancy yourself really logical, but will argue with whatever I say about you anyway
you simply lack the ability to grasp why anything would have meaning beyond a "scientific explanation" when in reality, science NEVER explains why. Science explains how.
but go ahead, continue to follow your state-sanctioned denial of spirituality. It's not like it's a thinly veiled attempt to prevent you from free thinking.
>>70034607
Actual belief in God and Christ that qualify someone as a Christian rather than just some random person who thinks they exist necessitates certain beliefs about them that you have to take as *TRUE*, such as that Christ is the Son of God, His commandments and teachings were truly spoken from His mouth, and that He was condemned by Roman and Jewish "authorities", and died on a cross as a sacrifice for all the sins of humanity, rose from the dead in three days, and that whoever so should believe in Him (and thus live by Him) would have eternal life with God in heaven.
>>70026687
And what is your religion ?
>>70034744
Again, you said the crusades were wrong. Why are they wrong?
>>70035080
Well.. weren't they? You yourself said that mass rape and genocide is inherently wrong.
>>70033834
>Literally led to Islam
>Literally
On what grounds is this given they have their own holy book that they completely believe to be true.
>>70033947
Accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior is enough to be called a Christian, unless you're Catholic, which is notorious for crowd control and manipulation of the illiterate masses because they're the only ones able to read or write. I believe in certain parts of the book to be true as there is historical evidence to prove as such, others are simply on faith, but don't believe in the entirety of the book to be true. I believe in all of the Old Testament, parts of the new.
Sentient scum in a sewage pipe is convinced that the pipe was built for them, not realizing it's a part of a house.
I mean, the environment complements the scum perfectly, how could it not have been made for them? And every so often a miracle of nutritious shit flushes down their way and confirms the benevolence of their universe's creator.
Of course, they will never know the real truth because the environment outside the pipe is hostile to them, and it would take them more lifetimes than they can keep a memory of to venture that far.
>>70033227
Islam is a religion. I'm arguing you can be morale without religion and have law and civilization without religion.
>>70034883
>you simply lack the ability to grasp why anything would have meaning beyond a "scientific explanation" when in reality, science NEVER explains why. Science explains how.
I'm not interested in metaphysics and things that don't have a way of testing their validity.
You're right about the last part. You can keep asking "why" until you reach a certain point. After that there is no verifiable explanation, so you just accept it and use it as an axiom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36GT2zI8lVA
He explains it perfectly.
>>70035161
I think I've made my point.You simply can't justify morality without god, that's why you won't explain to my why you say the crusades were wrong.
>>70034880
You're saying that in a civilized democratic system, such as those in the western world, an ancient code is the only thing stopping people from acting out on greed, and killing anyone else?
I feel we are walking in circles.
It's a risk / reward game. If you push someone hard and long enough, the reward of killing someone will outweigh the risk of punishment.
For everyone. Christian or not.
>>70034967
Sorry for delete, had full autist problems trying to address both replies. And yes, that's what I meant but didn't articulate as well and what I follow. These don't include having full faith in the entirety of the bible
>>70035241
You can't have objective morality without an objective source of morality. You don't have that - Abdul's morality that states raping infidels is the ultimate good is no better or worse than whatever the fuck you hold is good or bad, and you have no means of establishing otherwise.
>>70035414
How do you choose where you put faith and where you don't?
>>70035410
No i'm not saying you need to believe in god to be moral, I'm saying you can't justify your morality without god.
>>70035332
Are you just trolling me now?
You won't comment on the fact that your Code of God didn't stop the crusaders from acting immorally.
those are a nice pair of metal titties my robot friend
>>70035555
But I just did?
It's a simple game of survival & risk / reward.
>>70023968
>40,000 sects of christinaity alone
Christianity is just Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. Two sides of the same coin.
Protestantism, the result of a drunken obese womaniser and a murderous British king is responsible for all those stupid little 'Christian' sects polluting the true faith.
>>70035505
Isn't that the principle of faith? It's blind but doesn't obligate you to believe in everything just because you believe in something, that's a fallacy in itself. I went to a baptist school, used to believe the entirety of everything, then Worldviews class happened i.e. humanism, deism, polytheism, Marxism, Leninism, as well as learning about the logical fallacies and debates to prove the existence of God, watchmaker, boulder, etc.
Education vs. just showing up to church and believing whatever the pastor tells you to believe are to very different things. Take a verse, any verse, hand it to every pastor in the world, and see if you get the same interpretation. The bible is subjective to whomever reads it is the point. It's hard to be infallible if nobody can come to the same conclusion.
>>70035599
Some crusades were morally justified. Also this conversation has nothing to do with the bible or even the Christian understanding of god specifically, we're talking about objective morality and where that comes from. Somebody may think they know something it doesn't mean they do, do you understand? Just because people think they're justified like in some of the crusades doesn't make it so. This is the point I've been making this whole time.
>>70034532
>>70 years after the supposed events at the earliest
Written? Sure, I'll grant that. But strange what was written didn't include the destruction of the second temple unless the sources these early writings were based on did not at least predate 72AD.
You have to date the gospels earlier on oral sources. Naturally we don't have those, but we have reasons to believe they date to within 5 years of the crucifixion. Particularly 1Cor 15:3-4
"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve,"
>that Christ died for our sins
>that he was buried
>that he was buried
>that he was raised
>that he appeared to Cephas
>then to the twelve
This is typical of oral traditions, making the important points easy to remember, and is the basis textual critics accept
>I delievered to you... what I also received
What is writen here is what was spoke, which itself was derived from an earlier source
Telephone game? Paul is telling the audience to confirm. Paul is telling the Corinthians to check and delivering a creed in easy to memorize creedal format, where the implication is they can check with the Apostles from whom he received the creed.
Textual criticism is a thing.
>>70034646
That has nothing to do with anything.
>>70025651
I have a 152 IQ, and I believe that atheism is the most unreasonable theological stance.
Let me explain why: Religious belief is a gamble. If you choose a religion you may or may not be right, as core religious beliefs inherently cannot be proven or disproven. With this in account, the stakes of adherence to religion are high: Eternity. We know that we will die. We know that you will not come back (as the same entity). Thus, out and out rejection of all religion is a bad gamble. You have nothing to gain, and the stakes are eternal (in most cases). Therefore, any reasonable man would choose a religion which most fits his lifestyle and fundamental beliefs and principles, as it increases his odds in the gamble for eternity.
So, in a game in which a die is cast once and once only, with many potential unknown results, and stakes being an unknown but inevitable potential, it is foolish to not place your bet on the table. The game will play whether or not you choose to participate and you are bound by the results regardless. Atheism essentially is an opt-out of any potential winning result.
>>70035743
It's possible to do evil things without incurring any risk but still gaining a reward.
>>70036023
You have reasons to believe x and not believe y. But in the case of the Bible it's all from the same place - compiled by the same people. It's one source. What makes you take x from the Bible as truth and not y, when they're from the same source?
>>70033127
Me desu
>>70032538
These senator's wives' aren't Christians.
And the ultra left progressives who refused to instantly veto the stuff definitely aren't the sort of people who care about religious votes. Dude, blame guys like Arnold Schwarzenegger for trying to get videogames banned.
>>70036041
I'm not sure you understand yourself, to be quite honest.
I explained where I think objective morality comes from, you keep telling me I didn't.
But I just googled "can't justify morality" and all of your points show up. Apparently you guys love to debate this nonsense.
>>70035292
so you admit you're autistic.
like I said, not believing in anything that hasn't been "proven" is literally electricity denial tier. Before magnetism was proven, what was it? magic.
That is you. And just so you know (but you should already as a physics student) nothing in science is ever proven. It is just a repeatable experiment.
"Why" is the truth of everything. There is no way for someone to tell you why things happen, because it is a personal understanding. You can't gain personal understanding from others, yes, things can be framed in ways that you better grasp than others, but when it comes down to it, it is simple self- interpretation.
So I want to know, have you proven that other people exist outside of your mind? or do you ignore that one
>>70036244
But it's not the same people, to say that the person who wrote Job is the same as the person who wrote 1st Corinthians is wrong. It's a collection of articles. I have trouble believing in the bible because of the aforementioned as well as the fact that it has been through so many interpretations, edits, etc. that there's no way it lands as it was originally. Simply put, the bible has been lost in translation for centuries.
Don't dodge the other factors that I brought up to pull one out of context as well as make erroneous claims. People of the same belief, yes, they were also heathens, atheists, and murderers; things that people like to simply ignore or leave out in church. Having a belief in the core of something doesn't mean you must believe in its branches, so yes, I can believe in x and not y if y is a branch from the core that is x.
>>70036687
Earlier you said objective morality didn't exist, you said morality came from "common sense". That's the opposite of objective, it's completely fluid and changing with the time.
>>70025651
Einstein and Hitler were religions
>>70035555
Ok sparky...lets test that shall we? This is a hypothetical scenario, please do not make me insult your intelligence by posting the definition..Since it is hypothetical allow me to set it up..First, we must assume in our scenario that an afterlife is real, a good glorious afterlife. This information is undeniable to anyone. It is as factual as 2+2=4...With me so far? Now with the same amount of validity let us further assume that EVERYONE gets to go when they dis..everyone except Suicides as that quickly becomes the only answer....Now, knowing this.How do you think the world would change, but most importantly how would YOU change? Also, notice I did not mention religion or God in the scenario Those factors are irrelevant and if try to show horn them in you will only further prove what I already know..Of which I'll be happy to share with AFTER you answer the questions and only if you actually answer them
>>70036225
And where do you believe this "conscience" come from? God?
Nah, it's probably just mirror neurons making you empathetic to the situation, putting yourself in his shoes if you will, and realizing that you wouldn't appreciate it.
>>70035846
The reformation was the single greatest event in human history that did not involve a war..It freed so many people and finally allowed for the dark ages to be over..You sir are an idiot.
>>70036826
I haven't said anything erroneous at all. For all you know, the Bible was written all at once by one man, who proliferated the rumor that multiple men had composed it when in fact that was simply a lie.
You're saying you believe some parts but not others, but you provide no reason whatsoever to why you do so - you only reiterate that you do in fact pick and choose what to believe.
>>70023968
Atheist here.
Yes your post is very clever. A neatly designed trap. But I'm betting you're still a cuck liberal and will never post against Islam.
Frankly I don't give a shit what Christians do. Nothing they do is anything more than an annoyance.
But if they crusade I'm going with them because Islam is an actual threat. Keep being a dipshit, though.
>>70037073
It's as simple as this, I can believe in the religion but not the book because the book is not what makes the religion; x and y.
>>70036851
I used common sense in it's most primitive sense.
>>70037362
Common sense morality literally means morality of the majority. Did you mean something different?
>>70037174
Why you believe "the religion", when the religion itself is quite literally based on what's in the book, while simultaneously rejected other parts?
I believe the answer to that is "I don't like those other parts", which is a very shoddy, shaky, half-assed answer.
How to christfags reconcile the fact that MEN wrote the bible? Its literally in the same category as Greek mythology.
Also, why would your god allow so many civilizations (asia, pacific islanders, native americans) to exist for so long without revealing himself to them? Are all of those people in those civilizations damned forever in hell simply because they had no knowledge of god?
>>70037566
Men discovered and wrote calculus too.
>>70032865
uwot
>>70037496
Stop making this discussion about the definitin of "common sense".
>Common sense refer to a type of basic awareness and ability to judge which most people are expected to share naturally, even if they can not explain why. (wikipedia)
Sounds about right, though I concede that it was too vague a statement.
>>70036218
>muh pascal's wager
>implying when you're at the pearly gates you'll be able to answer truthfully and that the all knowing god will believe what you say, and not know that you were just "picking" that specific religion because of the end result
About as pathetic as deathbed conversions.
>>70037759
Calculus was invented you dumb fuck. it can also be tested and verified
>>70037566
I'm not a christian but many people who were considered great were allowed into either heaven or the middle ground
What if "God" as a concept is more understandable to people in a certain mindstate, just as math and sciences are?
that could explain why some were blind to this and others weren't
for example, anything that would be considered a miracle by some nowadays would be considered an unexplained phenomenon to others..
>>70036218
>152 IQ
>still thinking Pascal's Wager is a valid argument
>pic related
>>70036766
>like I said, not believing in anything that hasn't been "proven" is literally electricity denial tier. Before magnetism was proven, what was it? magic.
There's a difference between something being probable and something being unverifiable.
Right now we're at the level of elementary building blocks, so by definition it's impossible to go "deeper" (hence "why" is a question with no further answers). You either keep pondering about "why", hoping that someone breaks the entire Standard model (highly unlikely), or you just accept it and use it to explain the "how"s of other areas.
Shit, even if you manage to go deeper, you can ask "why" again, basically ending up in infinite regress.
>So I want to know, have you proven that other people exist outside of your mind? or do you ignore that one
Solipsism/Mind in a jar are both valid explanations. But, like someone said before on another point, there are a ton of other viewpoints, all without concrete evidence which would put one above the other.
>>70037919
No, it was discovered. Uncovered. Existed a priori before anyone symbolically instantiated it.
You can pretend it was invented all you like though.
>>70037073
>> who proliferated the rumor that multiple men had composed it when in fact that was simply a lie.
But what about the people who hundreds of years later say that someone intervened on their behalf. Mass hysteria and hallucinations?
>>70036218
>I have a 152 IQ,
cringe
Pascal wager is stupid as fuck
>. Atheism essentially is an opt-out
The problem with that argument is that still could be an atheist god" that steps back, lets false religions get created and then rewards non-belief.
Since we have no evidence we can't say that option is any more unlikely than the Christian or Hindu gods existing
Anyway, you can't force yourself to believe in something, it is not how belief works.
>>70037919
calculus as an invention is simply a topological system of understanding quantities, there are probably better topologies for understanding calculus but the system itself was invented. It's just a way of understanding an innate way mathematics can reflect reality.
>>70038051
Or sheer lies.
>>70035555
Thing is, I'm an deist and I get my morals from the same place that you do, from myself. Imagine a scenario:
You are woken up at night by the booming voice of something undeniably divine. It resonates in your core, it makes your skin tingle. This voice tells you that it is God, and he has a mission for you. You are to take a knife, rape and stab the neighbor child.
Would you do this? And if you would, could you honestly feel good about it? If you're a moral person your actual essence would go against this. You might even convince yourself that it is the devil trying to trick you, pretending to be God.
Now, another scenario. The same voice wakes you up at night. Only this time it tells you to buy some flowers and deliver it to some widow's house. Your visit stops her from committing suicide and you bond around the experience becoming great friends.
At this point you would probably feel so good, not just because of God's guidance, but because you inherently did a good thing.
>>70038037
Any historical text on calculus states that calculus was developed. Developed and discovered are very different in definition
Getting back to the original point though, calculus, even if i admit was discovered, is testable in practicality, so the comparison falls apart when dealing with god
itt: atheists argue about what they`re going to do with next year`s potato harvest
>>70038494
Any and all historical texts support the position the calculus was uncovered gradually as well.
Only a priori truths are testable with necessary accuracy. Nothing is is remotely "testable". Are you familiar with the ever-beautiful problem of induction. Learn it. Love it. And if you're an empiricist/materialist - suffer.
>>70028806
If you can be both it is just watered down buddhism for yuppie dumbfucks. Real buddhism is the rejection of want.
>>70037497
This is going to go back into Old and New discussion then. I believe in the Old Testament there was more divine interaction with the world; God was present, He was jealous, He was wrathful, He was, and is, an all powerful being that demanded our loyalty as we were created by Him for that purpose. We are His creations, we owe our existence to Him, down with the heathens and smite cities in His name for those that were devout. His presence was felt and feared.
New Testament, I have trouble believing in all of it because it doesn't follow the same tune...at all. I believe in the existence of Christ, there's historical evidence to prove it as well, but I don't believe God was ever really present. What could have made Him change so much between the two books? It doesn't make sense. God went from giving no fucks to being our friend, that's where my disconnect in the full faith of the bible comes from. So, if you want a definite answer, I believe in the entirety of the Old Testament, pieces of the New Testament.
The book, in and of itself, is a documentation of the religion, not the religion itself, to say it is the embodiment is wrong. Proof wasn't necessary in Old Testament times simply because His presence was known, felt, and feared. That never did stop someone from documenting the events that happened, the bible is a history book in my eyes, not His spoken word. The commandments are his spoken word, that was documented by the bible, not spoken into it. Reading the bible should be enough to show that the entirety of it is not the spoken word but documentation of events, which is nearly the definition of history.
The God who amassed armies in His name suddenly became docile. My belief is that He stepped back from our affairs after His son was delivered and killed, taking our sin with him by his own sin in questioning God, and left us to our own devices to face eternal judgement at the end of our course, others would argue God is dead.
>>70038890
And that conflicts with any major religion how? At least the actual tenets anyway.
>>70038950
>Old Testament: God is an autistic crybaby
>New Testament: God becomes a c uck
>>70027530
Relative truth is no truth at all. Truth is truth. You dumb cunt.
>>70038950
There's "historical evidence" to support any claim. It all falls on what you're willing to qualify as evidence, which is completely and utterly arbitrary between *ANY* given person. It's meaningless. Pointless. Worthless.
You're running on feels.
>>70038950
dude your god was conjured up by the minds of men. its fairy dust. doesnt exist outside of the mind
>>70038007
"elementary building blocks"
oh, you mean like atoms, 100 years ago? is that what you mean?
There isn't concrete evidence for anything then. If you can't prove those things, how can you prove anything which stems from those things?
>>70039267
I'm just going to copypaste these 2 points since the thread is almost dead anyway:
>>Do we have proof that fundamental particles are not made of anything or are we just assuming?
>Our current theories treat them as fundamental, and we see no deviation from the results predicted. This means that we haven't found an experiment yet where the difference between fundamental electrons and non-fundamental electrons matters.
>No theories which treat them as composites produce predictions which have been experimentally verified. This is subtly different - not only have we not proved ourselves wrong yet, we haven't been able to show any new theories to be right.
>>70028361
So retarded
>>70038950
For you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODetOE6cbbc
>>70039267
And ultimately, how can we really prove anything, when all we are can be explained by lifeless, although complex, chemical reactions, that also stem from those things.
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