I really don't understand how libertarianism would work.
How does one prevent dictatorship?
Who would build the roads / public sewage systems?
Whats to prevent me from having children and making them cp slaves?
Whats to prevent the government from becoming a dictatorship (because they have army requirements to suppress the population)
Who determines whats legal / illegal?
Smartphones are much more complex to be done than roads or sewage systems.
it could work
you would have to kill all non whites in the world tho, and make sure women could never vote
>>70021947
>He actually used the who will build the roads meme
>>70021947
Look mom I made my first anti-libertarian post.
Hey mom! MOM! MOMMMMMM! Look! Hey mom! Look at this post!
>>70022478
>>70022568
He asked a good question. Where will all the tech and advancements come from if everyone is isolated and No one is collaborating?
>>70021947
>How does one prevent dictatorship?
Muh guns muh ww2 tank off ebay
>Who would build the roads / public sewage systems?
Corporations
>Whats to prevent me from having children and making them cp slaves?
Having children or buying?
>Whats to prevent the government from becoming a dictatorship (because they have army requirements to suppress the population)
Literally what
>Who determines whats legal / illegal?
The individual states and corporations.
>>70022861
Need funding
Stagnate economy
Need more taxes
Not permanent
No ambition
No freedoom
No guns
Illegal guns
Niggers having guns while whites don't
>>70022016
what non-centralized power would be able to build roads without people going on about "not on muh property."
>>70022858
>Where will all the tech and advancements come from if everyone is isolated and No one is collaborating?
If your premise is that "Libertarianism" leads to nobody collaborating, and that all "Libertarians" are of one particular school which is basically equivalent to anarchy, I can't help you.
Libertarianism in the USA is a political stance regarding the current and future Federal and State governments and their direction. Most libertarians do not want a 100% lawless Fallout-type lawless land where there are no rules.
If the question is, are there more Libertarian solutions to the problems of road / sewer systems? Sure, and depending on where you live, even right now in the USA, you may see them in action.
The premise that libcucks work under, in order to undermine libertarians, is that it's the same as anarchy. It's disingenuous.
>>70023402
Why are you assuming there will not be any non-centralized powers? Who says this is what all libertarianism is?
How about the postal roads which connected all the towns in the USA before our taxes paid for them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_road
>>70023139
And no mexicans
good enough.
>>70023402
The property will be bought off.
>>70021947
>How does one prevent dictatorship?
Arming the people, same as with democracy.
>Who would build the roads / public sewage systems?
The same private companies that already do.
>Whats to prevent me from having children and making them cp slaves?
Your neighbors.
>Whats to prevent the government from becoming a dictatorship (because they have army requirements to suppress the population)
Again, arming the citizens.
>>70023402
The local, state, or federal government.
Not all libertarians are against all eminent domain, this is another common mis-characterization done by dishonest people who wish to try to pigeonhole all libertarians into one codified belief system.
I've never seen anybody list all their straw-men about libertarians at once, do you have a specific document that enshrines what you consider to be ideal Libertarianism?
Just so we know what a 'real' Libertarian is according to you.
>>70024089
>The property will be bought off.
Or a right of way could be eased.
Doesn't need to destroy the property itself unless the road is somehow as wide as the property.
Cucks who try to make threads against libertarians seem to think we're anarchists and all believe in a 100% lawless Mad Max style world.
>>70021947
>How does one prevent dictatorship?
How does one prevent slavery? Our culture is very antislavery, so if it occured the people would be enraged. Slavery is unthinkable now. The same attitude is a prerequisite for anarcho-capitalism. You dont dictate nuffin to a bunch of very uncooperative people with guns and tanks and other stuff.
I'D BE A MILLIONAIRE IF WE HAD A """"REAL"""" FREE MARKET!!!!!!
t. Libertardian NEET
>>70021947
>[Liberarianism [Anarcho-Capitalism]]
>>70024714
Nobody is claiming this in the thread, nice strawman though.
Why don't you read the thread if you're not already too drunk, Mick?
>>70024625
Who would build the roads / public sewage systems?
Private companies. Then you will pay them directly, and not through hands of hundreds of bureaucrats. Also therll be competition between these companies. If government agency does shitty job you cant change anything. If a roadowner doesnt repair the road you drive the other road. Same with other 'public' stuff.
>>70024581
Libertarianism is pretty based if you remove the capitalist kike economy desu.
>>70021947
In a libertarian society, what is stopping a foreign country from selling opium to our country and destroying the fabric of our society?
are children property of parents until a certain age?
Can I have sex with my child since they're my property?
Would child porn be OK?
what's the repercussion of murder?
would there be courts?
Libertarians ignore the race problem
That's why Somalia is a shithole
>>70025219
Who determines whats legal / illegal?
There will be different law companies. The goatfuckeristan can live under sharia, the jesusland can make sodomy illegal, but you can go to a city block/area of like minded people whose laws you like the most.
>>70025223
>capitalist kike economy desu.
If you remove some aspects of capitalism like fiat currency, monetization of debt, and central banking it's pretty much ideal.
Capitalism is the way to go, but free of most government interference except in the case of monopoly, cartel, or other serious crimes. These would largely be eliminated with the strict policing of corporate entities, which being unnatural creations should never have rights like a corporate being does. Corporate death sentence for corporate crimes, with the officers of the corporation bearing punishment themselves for acts done under their watch, that's what we need.
Libertarians are often characterized as being in favor of unlimited powers for corporations but this is just another strawman.
>>70025308
>self control
of foreign concept to most, i know, but it has it's merits.
>>70025615
>Libertarians ignore the race problem
>That's why Somalia is a shithole
On the contrary libertarians are not likely to wish to impose our beliefs on Somalia, which isn't libertarian, but anarchic, specifically because we recognize that problem.
All libertarians are one guy post again.
>>70025817
How would have libertarianism solved the Opium wars in China?
Nice sense of history my friend.
>>70025308
>what is stopping a foreign country from selling opium to our country and destroying the fabric of our society
Nothing's stopping it now, how is this an argument?
In a libertarian society, drugs like this will probably be legal and you'll be able to buy them from a pharmacist just like you could until the 1930s.
Some people abused them, most didn't, just like today with alcohol and tobacco.
>BUT WHAT IF...
This is some retard level shit that you anti-libertarians are bringing today.
LIBERTARIANISM =/= ANARCHY
Get this through your thick skulls.
>>70021947
You just envy smart rich people, you Bolshevik!
>>70025943
>How would have libertarianism solved the Opium wars in China?
There was no fabric for the foundation of libertarianism in Imperial China, so the question is pointless. Can't you come up with a real argument?
>>70026151
They know, they're all just being disingenuous. If they had any real arguments they'd have brought them. This is strawman taqiyya time for libcucks.
>>70024947
I'm memeing senpai, don't harsh my vibe yo
I like libertarianism, I just don't think it's possible when the average person is so stupid.
>>70026252
You mean England forcing free trade on China so they couldn't ban opium, was not based on libertarianism?
>>70025616
>Whats to prevent me from having children and making them cp slaves?
And what prevents you now? Remember that austrian dude who made his daughter a sexslave for 20 years? There is no absolute prevention. But generally its other people. Involuntary slavery is against NAP, so whoever becomes aware will have a right to prevent you. He can call other people or contact his PDA (private defence agency). As a punishment, the offender will be sold as a slave, and the money wuold be given to the victim and PDA (as wage)
>>70021947
You are confusing libertarianism with anarchism. Do some reading before you spout nonsense
>>70026349
It's a spectrum of ideas, many of which can easily be implemented in modern societies without much fuss.
I agree about stupid people though.
>>70026381
>You mean England forcing free trade on China so they couldn't ban opium, was not based on libertarianism?
No, it was based on monarchical colonialism, not libertarianism.
They aren't remotely the same. Libertarians could be colonial but these forces were acting under Royal permission as chartered Companies. Libertarianism during those days was not something that was sweeping across Britain.
Again all you have is another strawman.
>70 trillion dollars in debt and in total kike control
>m-my system is f-flawless
Good goy. Literally. You kids are very good stupid obedient goy
>>70026718
>m-my system is f-flawless
Who said this in this thread?
Another strawman.
>>70025308
Nothing's stopping them from doing that now, because when people subcontract their responsibilities to the government they stop acting on their own. The current degeneracy is directly related to the power of government in our lives.
>>70026716
>They aren't remotely the same. Libertarians could
And they would, it would be exactly the same unless China had banned the sale of Opium. Something libertarians are against.
>>70027015
There are laws against the sale of many drugs. I am a proponent of the drug war, the more drug addicts we bust and throw in Jail the better. The law isn't perfect, but catching many is better than none.
>>70025565
>are children property of parents until a certain age?
Of course not
>Can I have sex with my child since they're my property?
Again they are not
>Would child porn be OK?
If children consented then yeah, why not
>what's the repercussion of murder?
Its a tuff one. Im generally for 'an eye for an eye', so the logical result is death penalty but im not sure
>would there be courts?
Of course there will be private courts. They already exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration
>>70021947
>dictatorship
Guns n' ammo
>roads
Currently, the government doesn't build roads, private companies do
>children/cp
Cultural mores, ostracism, your family, and there would probably be laws against it because of the NAP and Libertarianism does not exclude the existence of a government
>dictatorship
See >dictatorship
>legal/illegal
See >children/cp
>>70024625
>guns and tanks and other stuff
People already legally own guns and tanks and they are currently almost all quite law-abiding.
Nothing says that all libertarians must believe in lawless anarchy, another strawman.
>>70027199
>And they would, it would be exactly the same unless China had banned the sale of Opium.
That's not true, before heroin and opium and such were banned here they were commonly available either at the store or through the mail, and people abused them even less frequently than they do today. This proves what I was saying above about cultural differences, the opium wars in peasant-inhabited Imperial China happened at the same time that people were pleasantly buying it at the store and keeping it in the cupboard for occasional medicinal use here in the USA.
>Something libertarians are against.
Just another strawman then.
>>70027523
ehhh its pobably a misunderstanding, I AM a libertarian. Anarchy is absence of rulers, not rules, see>>70025616
>>70028105
>Anarchy is absence of rulers, not rules
You can't portray all of anarchy as one thing though, just as one can't portray libertarianism as one set of beliefs.
They both lie on a spectrum. That's what I'm saying. At least that's how I see things.
>>70027523
I meant that the culture will be as opposed to authority as it is now opposed to involuntary slavery, and since the people will own helluva arms and weapons, wannabe dictators wont survive
>>70025615
culture
look at the countries around it
>>70023680
Came here to post this.
>>70028203
Well, anarcho commies wanna destroy money and private property. How are they gonna do it without gubmint is beyond me.
The majority of people who call themselves anarchists are stupid commies btw
>>70021947
>its an anarcocapitalism is the same as libertarianism episode
>>70028559
>I meant that the culture will be as opposed to authority as it is now opposed to involuntary slavery, and since the people will own helluva arms and weapons, wannabe dictators wont survive
I think it's my own perspective that didn't let me understand you there for a minute. As an American our founding two documents, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution, enshrine our ability to be armed specifically to throw off tyranny and institute a new government if we think we need to. I understand now how this to me is just a natural part of being an American, instead of something I would consider a specifically libertarian belief, but to a Russian it is indeed a libertarian idea.
If that makes sense, but tl;dr I get you bro.
>>70029099
I hear that. We're infected with commies, Bernie's a mildly successful one and the first openly commie presidential candidate to achieve such a level of support.
Bernie has a personalized signed photo of Eugene V. Debs in his office, I've studied the commie and his ways.
McCarthy was right.
>>70021947
Heres the answer for you.
Do actual research. You don't understand the concept of libertarianism what so ever. Even seem to be confusing it for Anarchy.
So this guy gets it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwDhx1XkXX0&list=PLOv-GldVeFiXd1exZU0QLYC6ynwkQwbvz
>>70021947
The government. They will regulate and mediate without intervening in every little detail. For example, I live in the Netherlands. Pension fund maffia here squanders trillions, yet we the people are expected to bail them out every time because "the law says so". No, fuck that. We already have to work to 70 to get a pension and it costs us 10% of our salary while the majority of people won't make it to that age.
>>70030375
>The government. They will regulate and mediate without intervening in every little detail. For example, I live in the Netherlands. Pension fund maffia here squanders trillions, yet we the people are expected to bail them out every time because "the law says so". No, fuck that. We already have to work to 70 to get a pension and it costs us 10% of our salary while the majority of people won't make it to that age.
I live in Oregon, which (except for Portland and Salem) is considered to be a bit of a haven for libertarianism. We have amended our state Constitution so that it's illegal to go into debt, and our state pension fund is doing very well indeed. Also we are one of the few states that gets back about as much as we put in to the Federal government, so they have very little actual leverage on our State institutions.
We also have Police bureaux instead of departments in places.
However there are ways to never pay into Social Security legally, but you of course won't get anything back out either.
>>70029245
Yes the idea that common folk can bear arms is foreign to most of Russians.
Are you a conservative? Your founding documents and fathers had a lot of neat ideas, bout arms and free speech and distrust of authority and limited government an other stuff. But look where this road have led you. Limited government is a myth, no matter how limited it is in the beginning it will expand. Slowly but surely America has been moving to the left and in 100 years it'll ends up a commie shithole.
>>70030069
Milton Friedman was a Jew, a fanatic Zionist, had great influence on American policy in world war 2, was a great friend of George Soros, and he caused the downfall of national draft in the US.
I'm not saying Friedman is bad perse- he just didn't seem to understand that the free-market policies he abides does not work in a society that is not a) culturally hegemonous and b) christian.
>>70021947
it would never 'work', it's the most retarded political ideology in the world. there is a reason there has never been or ever will be a "libertarian country", the term is an oxymoron. anyone retarded enough to be "libertarian" is a moron, wasting his life away with larping..
>>70030689
Sounds like paradise, here half our salary is taken as income tax and another 30 to 40% under the guise of social stuff, health care, pensions and other bullshit most people don't need where the caretakers get fat off the money.
It's all so corrupt, it's ridiculous to even try to fix it at this point.
>>70021947
OP writes to his congressman
5th April
> Whats to prevent me from having children and making them cp slaves?
6th April
> What the legal definition of cp?
7th April
> We NEED to make sure abortion is legalized everywhere!
8th April
> I think i did something wrong, i couldn't help myself. I told you about those abortions! THIS IS YOUR FAULT!
9th April
> What countries does America not have extradition deals with?
>>70030704
>Yes the idea that common folk can bear arms is foreign to most of Russians.
I know, my home town saw a lot of ex-Soviets come over in the 1980s and they hated communism.
>Are you a conservative? Your founding documents and fathers had a lot of neat ideas, bout arms and free speech and distrust of authority and limited government an other stuff.
Yes, they inherited these ideas from other Enlightenment thinkers as you're probably aware.
>But look where this road have led you.
What fucked us was a lot of subversion. You should read War Is A Racket by Smedley Butler, the most highly-decorated US Marine in history. A bunch of robber barons tried to recruit him and take over the USA and he refused, it led to a Congressional investigation and everything. It's insane.
>Limited government is a myth, no matter how limited it is in the beginning it will expand.
That's why there need to be strict legal limits on its power, and strict financial limits as well. I tend to suspect you're right but anarchy is not the answer I favor. I like a system of laws that protect everybody's liberty better.
>Slowly but surely America has been moving to the left and in 100 years it'll ends up a commie shithole.
We'll MAGA, we tried really hard with Ron Paul and Trump's doing 100x better than he ever was, both with the media and with the voting public. It's time bro.
>>70021947
Libertarianism works or at least worked until people fought to destroy it, its just the starting point of liberal capitalist society, its a transient state that lasts little but it will rise again once communism/socialism collapses, yes the world will try socialism again.
Total Liberalism is not possible at the moment i think, it's a goal or the ideal. Every human should have total control over his/her own life.
There will be a government, but the goal off the government should be make the people independent not dependent on the government.
>>70023680
cuck/10
>>70030730
>Milton Friedman was a Jew, a fanatic Zionist, had great influence on American policy in world war 2, was a great friend of George Soros, and he caused the downfall of national draft in the US.
OK he wasn't perfect, but many of his ideas were great. I think the draft was unnecessary and our strong military after the draft ended supports this. Think about how fuckin' bad-ass we were in the 80s.
>I'm not saying Friedman is bad perse- he just didn't seem to understand that the free-market policies he abides does not work in a society that is not a) culturally hegemonous and b) christian.
Maybe, but I think as long as we respect each others' liberty in a Constitutional sense, we don't need cultural homogeny. I have always gotten along fine with all different people, and the ones who have gone so far as to get their citizenship are treated as fully American (by most) as anybody else.
If you 'get it' and come here and go to the long and expensive process of obtaining citizenship, you're in with me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY2JR92Scmk
>>70029655
>We're infected with commies, Bernie's a mildly successful one and the first openly commie presidential candidate to achieve such a level of support.
He is but a first swallow of an impending flock.
Limited government is a myth and the American experiment proves it.
http://www.mensenrechten.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/the-most-dangerous-superstition-larken-rose-20111.pdf
>>70031931
>Limited government is a myth and the American experiment proves it.
Nah it's an ideal, the size of government will ebb and rise.
Has before, will again, if for no other reason than sheer economics. It'll be fine, we're handling it.
>that feel when Libertarianism is only a return to a system where the people and the government stand on equal footing and operate on mutual terms instead of the government constantly looming above the people.
>that feel when every time I read some asshole and I can't tell if they know better and are just being trolls or if they're serious when they call "anarchy" Libertarianism
>>70021947
The idea for libertarianism is a minimalist government which only takes care of maintaining the borders, providing a standing army, and preventing people from infringing on each other's rights. There would obviously be laws against shit like unjustifiable murder, rape, etc. but everything else would be privatized. And because the government would be so small there wouldn't be a risk of an over powered dictator bc people would have access to weapons to defend themselves.
>>70029655
>being this paranoid
kek
>>70030730
Dont blame the intellectualis, it's a democracy and there are much stupid people in United Shopping Mall of America.
I live in Europe over here they are much more stupid and go insane when someone used the term free market. It is a decline of the people we are in decline. We kill our own babies and we let the arabs take over and rape our women.
What am I if I am an economically libertarian but a fascist on things like eugenics and degeneracy? Is there a political stance that meshes free market capitalism with the same moral system and search for human perfection as fascism?
Couldn't libertarian states exist without all these ridiculous pseudo anarchist strawmen that get projected here? Wasn't early America mostly libertarian?
>>70032280
It's not paranoia, Bernie's an actual commie and groups like Revcom and others (many supported by Soros) are their foot soldiers.
This isn't even controversial, it's just a fact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43WdZ1VUL8Y
>>70031400
>War Is A Racket
Thanks Ill check it out
>We'll MAGA, we tried really hard with Ron Paul and Trump's doing 100x better than he ever was
Can Trump reverse this trend? He may limit beaner immigration (thats cool) but what else will he do?
>>70032617
it means you're trying to merge fundamentally incompatible principles, so no, there is no coherent ideological result. you have to give up the free market meme.
>>70032617
>What am I if I am an economically libertarian but a fascist on things like eugenics and degeneracy?
Then you are probably an idiot
>>70032617
>What am I if I am an economically libertarian but a fascist on things like eugenics and degeneracy? Is there a political stance that meshes free market capitalism with the same moral system and search for human perfection as fascism?
If you recruit super-people privately and have a super-society on your own private land who cares, knock yourself out.
As far as then using your genetically perfect superman army to take over the world, we have a problem. Also, no you can't make laws that mandate abortions or killing everybody with an IQ of less than 140 or whatever outside your compound nor should you be able to deprive people of their rights to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. Exile the dummies and degenerates and you're good to go, you can raise your genetically superior offspring according to non-degenerate teachings and shit too for all we care.
>>70021947
Governments already tend towards dictatorship.
The people already pay for the roads.
CP slaves already happen, at alarming rates.
>Whats to prevent the government...
Same as before. Courts aren't simply a function of government, not exclusively.
>>70032827
So I have to pick one? Because I'm not really moved by nationalism, but eugenics and, I could suppose, a fascist world government that encompassed only the best of all people on Earth and their genes into a society based on merit, purity and strength, would be something I'd fully support.
>>70032768
>>War Is A Racket
>Thanks Ill check it out
Please actually do, it's a short book and the dude was so based.
>>70033150
Makes sense. Too bad that'll probably never happen.
>>70033293
>portugal
Are you going to volunteer for the eugenics you want so badly?
>>70033462
See libertarianism has room for you but you can's make people do shit, that's against the concept of Enlightenment-era (aka American Constitutional) liberty.
Again like with my mis-understanding with Russia-bro I might be coming at this from a different angle too, to me a greater amount of libertarianism is perhaps more natural or 'default' than it is for you.
>>70032768
>Can Trump reverse this trend? He may limit beaner immigration (thats cool) but what else will he do?
Well, tariffs on imports from China and Mexico among others is a great start. The investment in local industry will be worth the small inconvenience of a bit higher prices within a couple years at the most. The founding fathers liked high tariffs, because they knew that local industry would never develop if cheaper European goods were available, so the problem was studied and they decided to crank up the tariffs high enough that it was profitable for people to move here and set up industry, and holy moly did they ever.
Worked great, might not be the MOST 'libertarian' thing in the world but as a strategy it pays off and we have MORE liberty by having more money, industry, economic interchange, and so on.
That's just one thing. He has loads of proposals which are also libertarian in spirit, including abolishing the Federal Department of Education among quite a few others, which will allow states to revert to controlling their own schools. Will make education cheaper while improving the quality of research and schooling and eliminate time wasting subsidized crap like gender studies.
Also he wants to sell of a bunch of federal land to citizens which I am in favor of as well, the feds own like 60% of my state alone.
>>70032193
SJWs are against libertarianism because without that looming oppressive government structure, there is no way in hell that they can feasibly force anyone to meet their demands.
They have to disarm and completely emasculate the people to make this possible, so building up this giant power structure that they can potentially use to disarm and completely emasculate the people is probably not a good idea.
The more you strawman Libertarianism as anarchy, the more likely you are to start a civil war and get a musket in your face, because I'm not gonna get castrated by a bunch of whiny faggots who are so cowardly that they have to enlist their magic genie mafia to make their wishes come true.
I'll literally die first, and I'll take as many of them as I can with me.
>>70030966
>Sounds like paradise, here half our salary is taken as income tax and another 30 to 40% under the guise of social stuff, health care, pensions and other bullshit most people don't need where the caretakers get fat off the money.
Topkek, we still have property taxes and a bunch of crazy regulations to protect the forests (a few of which are necessary I think personally) and so on. No sales taxes, and the state tax rate isn't that bad. I live in the sticks so local taxes are low too but sewer and water are kinda pricey. All told though with state, federal, and local, we're doing well because of the enormous amount of tax loopholes we are able to take advantage of thanks to our excellent tax attorney.
>It's all so corrupt, it's ridiculous to even try to fix it at this point.
Nah, come on.
>checks flag, dutch
ah fuck. Well you can always come on over and join the USA. We're not half as cucked as you poor bastards anyway.
>>70035366
Let's MAGA bro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F082JKzJqE
Jesus. I now realize why this board is pretty much Stormfront instead of a political board (I'm fine with this though). It's because a minuscule number of you actually understand any of the political ideologies.
>>70036179
Political Science isn't really a science, it's just a bunch of autists unable to understand common sense. That's why career politicians are all retards without exception.
>>70022478
Has anybody actually answered this question?
>>70036862
Yes, I have.
The same people who do it right now.
Contractors.
>>70022478
Roads create commerce and commerce creates roads. If two communities want to trade, roads will be built through free enterprise and private initiative.
>>70036179
>It's because a minuscule number of you actually understand any of the political ideologies.
What you REALLYmean by 'actually understand' is that we won't be stumped by your attempts to pigeonhole all libertarians into one particular set of beliefs, which you never seem to codify but merely use to erect strawman arguments in a vain attempt to stump us.
Libertarian ideas can exist along an entire spectrum.
>>70037135
BOOM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Clause
Postal roads, necessary for commerce and which provide a nice way for the public to travel too.
>>70037042
In my county prisoners sometimes build the roads with shovels and picks and shit.
Based.
But then there's this too of course. America can be very exciting!
Freer the market the freer the people!
>>70021947
You're talking about anarchy you dumb faggot
I don't know how to reconcile my nationalist tendencies with my libertarian beliefs.
Alot of it has to do with improving infrastructure and ensuring productivity, along with promoting non degenerate behavior.
Elimination of usury and rent seekers as well.
Help.
