RAMZPAUL is a Nationalist, not a White Nationalist. He describes the difference, below.
Pardon the bluntness, but RAMZ is right - anyone who purports to be the American reincarnation of a (brave and honorable, to be sure) soldier from 80 years ago is either a tool of the ADL, or in their employ, or just a self-defeating dumbass.
Don't be any those things, Anons.
RAMZPAUL lays it all out on his web page:
>I received a lot of feedback on my last video. And I was asked to further clarify my positions. As such, this video is a tad longer than usual.
> No, I have not embraced multiculturalism or globalism. Yes, I am still a Nationalist. And I still support the goals of the Alt Right.
> One of my goals for making these videos is to help young people see that there is an alternative to the over the top Hollywood Nazism. Yes, you can be a Nationalist and not be a total kook that runs around screaming for race war. Yes, you can meet and be friends with people of other races.
There is more there at:
http://www.ramzpaul.com/2016/04/nationalist-whisperer-with-ramzpaul.html
The video in question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSOChk8AbAQ
Things that had to be said
Based Donald building a wall, for instance, is Nationalistic. A good thing for all peoples.
Cuckservatives, by definition, are not nationalists.
I've been saying this for a while. Nationalism is key. You can add ideology on top of that but nationalism is key.
Demanding white nationalism or natsoc prevents the movement from growing.
I distinctly remember him saying in one of his videos that countries should be either for one race or another.
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>>70018221
ramz is full of shit.
if you are a white person living in america, who comprises your nation? white america.
every white person in america that is a nationalist is a white nationalist. blacks and spics that live in the US aren't a part of my nation. we don't have the same culture, genetics or language.
>>70018221
He's right though, pan-White nationalism is stupid. A Ukrainian is very different from a Brit, a pan-White society is the same as a multicultural one.
Quite the heel turn he made.
Wonder if it had anything to do with him surrounding himself with cucks and Jews.
>>70019274
Maybe it is the same thing, but I think I remember him saying that nations make countries when left on their own to decide (which is historical fact when overwhelming outside imperial coercion is not employed).
>>70019711
>da joos
>>70019694
This.
>>70019622
I think he is simply saying that a 100 percent purity test is self-defeating and an unnecessary complication.
>>70019989
>I think he is simply saying that a 100 percent purity test is self-defeating and an unnecessary complication.
no he isn't. did you even watch the video?
nationalism is easy in europe. but in the US it White Nationalism or no nationalism at all.
>>70019694
another person that didn't watch the video.
yes a ukrainian is different from a brit.
but in the united states, if they speak english, they can be a part of white america.
white nationalism is unique to US nationalism.
>>70018221
If you do not advocate for a country of a white nation you are just advancing the liberal agenda. Minority groups will always be persecuted in some way and physical differences exacerbate this. Letting in multiple races from all over the world advances multiculturalism (as they will not assimilate, people can tell you're a Mexican whereas a German would be assumed to be a Natural-born American) and by extension globalism and a ((global community)).
Not to mention that people will always put their own ethnic groups in front of their own unless they feel threatened. Look at how many spics don't want the government to stop illegal immigration. They want the country to look like their homeland but with all the amenities that my forefathers built.
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>>70019870
I think he would agree, though, that a union that comprised Hungarians and Ukrainians and British nationals (not middle easterners or Jews) would have more in common than American whites and American Blacks have in common. Or American whites and American Jews.
In general. But exceptions exist. And that is the point.
Purity tests are circle jerks. Made by losers for losers and never get people thinking about improving things.
Who cares, for instance, if RAMZPAUL invites a pretty Jewish woman with conservative values to a conference and takes a picture?
For that matter, who cares if Zionist Jews want their own homeland? What is deplorable is that most of those same Jews do not want other nationalists to have a homeland.
If you make your tent that big how do you prevent it from being subverted and co-opted? Look at the history of white spaces that were opened up to other peoples, eventually we get pushed out or ignored. There was a good reason why the black panthers didn't accept whites. Look at GG or the Tea Party, if you make your movement too open it gets co-opted and destroyed by a certain (((class of people))), like it or not swastikas keep them out.
>>70019863
Right, dey wuz good guys, dey dindu nuffins
>>70019622
Im a white person in America, and I'm a nationalist. I don't give a fuck what race someone is so long as they're proud of being an American and embrace American values.
>>70018221
>yes goy don't stand up for your people, stand up for mine instead ehehehehehehe
being a white nationalist does not make you a neonazi nor a kkk member. he is being a kike shill
>>70018221
I have a feeling that he is going to live to regret this.
Something real bad is probably going to happen to him now.
>>70020578
That is the point - the tent isn't that big. It is only a little forward.
Purity tests and anal stormtrooping are nothing but mental and self-defeating shackles.
>>70020806
>Purity tests
you can tel someone is white or not by looking at them. no 'test' needed. stop strawmanning
Anyone who would bring up jews or white pride in the first sentence in describing what they believe is retarded and extremely ovenable.
>>70020422
So I can't like any minorities or I'm not a nationalist?
Well guess I'm not a nationalist.
>>70019622
see
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>>70020422
>white nationalism is unique to US nationalism.
That's because European immigrants from all around Europe had to kill their own culture to get along with each other. Pan-Whiteness weakens identity and for what, something purely superficial.
>>70020668
That's nice, but when push comes to shove will they fight for you? If you're white you have skin in the game(literally). I might not like all white people in America, I might even like some brown people better on a personal level, but where are all these brown people when we get treated like shit in the media just for being white and the media covers up crimes by brown people? Fucking nowhere, that's where.
>>70020722
But a lot of people think that WN = cosplaying Heydrich or being a Grand Wizard.
You do realize that a lot of so-called neo-Nazis are literally Jews. Jews get some kind of perverse thrill in wearing NSDAP regalia, apparently, because a fuckton of them do that.
Time to move on from that silliness (and WN is tainted with it, admit it) to simply nationalism, isn't it?
>>70020806
>That is the point - the tent isn't that big. It is only a little forward.
For now. Give it time and it ALWAYS gets co-opted find me an example where a white space doesn't get co-opted after opening up. Academia, neighborhoods, businesses, I could go on and on.
>>70019274
This. Before Trump came along, Ramsey was 100% white seperatist and hated any kind of All-American nationalism.
What a turncoat.
>>70020668
>Im a white person in America, and I'm a nationalist. I don't give a fuck what race someone is so long as they're proud of being an American and embrace American values.
if you don't care about race then you aren't a nationalist. What you are embracing is American Imperialism which is against you being white and the white population in the US.
Would you be okay with 5 million muslims coming to the US as long as they "promised" to assimilate? or promised to be proud of america and it values?
its bullshit. they don't share our values because they aren't the same genetic stock.
culture and values are socialization of the genetic predisposition of certain behaviors. Those values and ethics that build america came from white genetics and white culture.
>>70020925
>purely superficial.
Right. You mean like the genetic identity that binds all whites together on Earth?
Anyone who claims to be a nationalist while whining about white nationalists, indentarians, and anti-semites is nothing more than controlled opposition and directly working for the kikes.
They should also be hung from the nearest tree as the traitors that they are.
>>70020897
see
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>>70020442
There will never be a utopia where minority groups magically assimilate and accept the values of their homeland. This train of thought where you think "they're just like us!" naturally progresses anti-nationalism sentiment and the destruction of traditional values.
>>70018221
Stop shilling this video.
>>70021178
>if you don't care about race then you aren't a nationalist
>culture = race
When will this meme ever end?
>>70020925
>That's because European immigrants from all around Europe had to kill their own culture to get along with each other. Pan-Whiteness weakens identity and for what, something purely superficial.
american white nationalism isn't Pan white nationalism you idiot. It the result of the unique result of euros living in the states.
>>70020668
That's very naive of you. Other races aren't as inclusive as whites and probably wont be as generous as you when whites are a minority in this country.
>>70021332
Culture does = race
Tell me that black America is exactly the same as white America. Please.
>>70021255
Nationalism sounds useless in America, nobody in America will ever embrace that shit on a large scale.
I didn't realize nationalists were this delusional.
>>70021332
see>>70021178
>its bullshit. they don't share our values because they aren't the same genetic stock.
>culture and values are socialization of the genetic predisposition of certain behaviors.
>>70018221
Can I still marry my Indian girlfriend?
>>70020975
what the fuck does LE MEDIA have to do with the real world? huh? if I broadcast a message saying "Al Gore likes to eat dick every night" and every news station from CNN to fucking Fox and even indie media proudly broadcasts that message...will that make Al Gore eat dick every night? hell the fuck no.
fuck off you 12 year old. you aren't an American.
>>70020722
Exactly. There is a lot of strawmanning going on here.
Fuck off cuck. You've revealed yourself to be nothing more than another Zionist cocksucker trying to claim another section of the pro-white right for Israel.
The entire "Alt-Right" is a concentrated effort to do this. Milo, Breitbart, and even Trump are designed to turn the only part of the right that opposed Israel.
I see through your lies CuckZKike
>>70021094
>But a lot of people think that WN = cosplaying Heydrich or being a Grand Wizard.
So?
>Time to move on from that silliness (and WN is tainted with it, admit it) to simply nationalism, isn't it?
I'm not a jew, I am not a neonazi. SO there is no silliness for me to move on from.
>>70021390
This. Who stuck up for the Zim Zam? I can tell you it wasn't fucking Telemundo. It was whitey, but I don't expect the favor to be returned. Only white people are held to white standards, I like brown/black/((())) people, but they have their goals and they don't usually align with white people not being genocided in some form or another.
He's a cuck
RamZCuck
CuckZPaul
RamKEKPaul
>>70021390
>Other races aren't as inclusive as whites and probably wont be as generous as you when whites are a minority in this country.
Isn't it one of the goals of white nationalists in America to preserve the nation our fathers built and our own identity?
What is the point of a 'nationalism' that ignores the preservation and security, the working towards the common benefit of the the white race?
I don't understand how you can be nationalistic and inclusive of niggers, for example, who hate white people and america as well.
As for the faggot in the OP, the DOTR now contains your name. You are making some people very very angry with this 180.
GTK
RWN
>>70018221
Ramzpaul is either a shill and has been bought out or an idiot. Your pick.
>>70020422
It worked for Australia too, because we are half Anglo and half Irish. We had an official "White Australia policy" and an implicit national identity based on White racialism from pre-1900 to well into the 1960s.
Anglo-Celtic is the modern more PC version, but it doesn't have the same ring. In countries like the US and Australia, where there are multiple European races present, "White" nationalism and identity is the only option.
>>70020925
The US and Australia can't go full English/Anglo, it'd piss off all the Irish for starters.
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>>70021255
>where minority groups magically assimilate and accept the values of their homeland.
You may be missing the point. If there is no assimilation, then there is no nationalism.
No one is embracing the denizens of Detroit, or Chicago or Baltimore for instance.
And ignorance of Rushton is inexcusable.
But if a white man had a wonderful partially black woman who was a good woman and a good mother and a good wife, then why wouldn't she be welcome in the nationalist worldview?
This is just common sense, anons.
And, if you think about it, pro-Israeli cucks and anti-whites would be only too happy to use this dissension to drive a wedge within the nationalist community.
>>70021538
If they were our friends they would push back on the bullshit that the MSM peddles to guilt white people, instead they use that guilt for their own ends. Hownew.ru?
look at this genetic drift chart for all the major ethnic/national groups in the world.
See the blue circle in the center-left?
All euro populations fit in that circle.
this is why white america is my nation. this is why nationalism IS GENETIC!
lol what's the point in being a nationalist if there isn't a racial element
it's just a larger amount of people slowly getting "Redpilled" and them not being able to rationalize their new found feelings,so they're are trying to "Co-opt" the "movement" into something more palatable for themselves
it's a good thing really,but will probably be annoying at first
you aren't moving towards them,they're moving towards you
don't forget that
So am I as the son of phalange militants militans from Lebanon, with a European father, not allowed into a pan-white nationalist movement? Am I just a filthy mutt, who even though has fought for traditiinal values, isnt good enough to be apart of this alt right movement? Do 40 years of loyal right wing votes by my people, and our european and conservative outlooks mean nothing? We even fought in the crusades with europeans, we know what its like to go from being the majority to the minority? So what am I to you /pol/, juat a filthy sand nigger?
>>70018221
Ramzpaul is a fag.
He looks like a dike soccer mom.
>>70021457
It's not because you people make 0 efforts to assimilate them into your culture.
>>70021491
>its bullshit. they don't share our values because they aren't the same genetic stock.
This is Alex Jones tier science. If you raise an European on a Japanese househould he will speak Japanese, eat Japanese food and behave in a Japanese wave.
>culture and values are socialization of the genetic predisposition of certain behaviors.
[citation needed]
>>70021185
>You mean like the genetic identity
You wouldn't understand beyond "muh heritage" because you live in the cultural black hole known as the United States. You do realize you have no real cultural connection to your ancestors, which is tragic.
>Randomly bringing up the elusive Semitic boogeyman
Now I know I can't take you seriously, you sound like a SJW blaming White Supremacy and the Patriarchy on everything.
>>70022056
Why not go back to Lebanon?
I feel bad for mixed-race people but you're exceptional and a movement can't be based on exceptions.
>>70021726
This too.
Hispanic USA isn't going to fight a war or position a carrier battlefleet in the West Pacific to save White Australia from a Chinese/Japanese/Asian invasion. Our alliance is built on common race, language and culture that isn'y shared with Latin America.
If the US goes, then Australia goes too.
>>70021937
>But if a white man had a wonderful partially black woman who was a good woman and a good mother and a good wife, then why wouldn't she be welcome in the nationalist worldview?
one outlier example does not make a trend or a nation.
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>>70022056
>So what am I to you /pol/, juat a filthy sand nigger?
Of course, not.
Well said, by the way.
Another flip flopping degenerate who wants to fuck around and wait it out on the "moderate" side and later jump on the winning team pretending that they rooted for them all along
I for one welcome any stereotypical skinhead neo nazi KKK Grand Dragon to come to Europe in our time of need. At least these people have a clear goal and rules where you know how you stand with them
>>70021992
who the fuck is being guilt? hmm? it isn't "white people" it's cucks, people who can't see reality for what it is. I'm black. I see reality -- not my reality, THE reality. but because I'm black, I can't be your friend...because loads of OTHER black people want you to give them free shit.
like you people are completely incapable of logic. you grab your thick ass paintbrush and paint EVERYONE with it. soon you will surround yourself with no one, because you'll find negative qualities that exist in everyone but yourself. so I say to that, fuck off stormkike. if you don't want to be my friend simply because i'm black, then fine. we just won't be friends. But know that I'm not your enemy. me being black certainly is cause for you to be privy to your surroundings because MUH STATISTICS, but that doesn't mean I'm out to get you.
>>70022038
You get to wave an American flag, vote for people who laugh at you and then import your replacements, all while non-whites call you lame and spit on you all day long in the media and call you Satan for just existing. It's a pretty sweet deal actually.
>>70020892
There's a difference, it depends on where these minorities come from and how many there are. A few Dutch here and there? Some Danish? Hell even some French or such every once in a while?
Not much of a problem, they're fairly close in culture, history, habbits and everything else and unless there's so many they somehow become the mayority it's not a problem. Especially since most of them tend to either integrate very well or will eventually just walk 50 km and be back home.
Nogs? Mudslimes? Gtfo. They're useless to society at large, have nothing in common with us, do not ever integrate, breed like rabbits and so on and on.
>>70022177
>wave
way*
>>70021332
It is true. The people of that nationality and ethnicity have created said culture. They're the ones which keep it alive, propagate and develop it.
>>70022056
i wouldnt want you marrying into the greater white population, nor would i want a huge number of Lebanese people in the country changing the face of the country and acting as a fifth column but of course if it was just a few people it wouldnt matter that much.
>>70022262
Please note the point. That a tiny tiny percentage of "non-pures" can still be embraced by the community of the nation.
That standing on the square of racial purity keeps a people stagnant in their thinking.
>>70021937
No, you're missing the point. Your argument is like that cartoon that says "But look at this black he isn't killing anyone right now!".
Just because there can be small amounts of minority groups that will completely immerse themselves into a white nation does not mean that this will work on a large scale. Look at how divided the nation is, blacks have been with us since the beginning and things will never be equal between us and them. We will never be the same. Accepting those facts is key.
>ramzpaul
can you stop shilling for this washed up dweeb? thank you.
>>70019622
I'm white, a nationalist, and a proud american. I don't care what race you are, don't be a shit flinging nigger- sand or chimp type- and we're good.
Culturally nationalist, I don't care about race.
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>>70022177
>This is Alex Jones tier science. If you raise an European on a Japanese househould he will speak Japanese, eat Japanese food and behave in a Japanese wave.
>>culture and values are socialization of the genetic predisposition of certain behaviors.
>[citation needed]
just like how the white man raised the africans in africa with his values during colonialism?
What happened there? Why didn't they keep those superior values when the white man was removed from power?
its because they didn't have the genetic stock to do so.
>>70022331
You'd have a point if your flag was Italian or Greek.
It's German culture that has allowed cuckoldry. At this point, it's in your fucking genes. Your people allowed this to happen and you, as a German, are a minority in this view. You, along with Swedes, are the last people that should be making any demands at all.
>>70018221
this whole time I thought "Ramzpaul" was a nickname you guys made up for Rand Paul
>>70022177
No, just no. It's been tried over and over again. A lot of components such as intelligence are genetic and many of them are important factors.
You have a better chance to integrate a white person into a country such as Japan because they have a lot in common, he will however never be truly Japanese and stand out solely due to his appearance.
Trying to do the same with a nog fails, basically always. Even those adopted and raised by white parents usually end up as a catastrophe as they fundamentally think and behave different from others in various ways such as long term planning, cause and effect evaluation, etc.
>>70022300
You can be my friend, but I expect that you will pursue the interests of your community over mine. Do you think the Black Panthers were wrong for excluding whites and fearing that whites would co-opt and dilute their message? Why are we held to a different/higher standard than that?
>>70022056
You are allowed. We aren't trying to purge everyone who doesn't live up to the 1 drop standard. We're merely looking at the bigger picture, which shows that whites are slowly becoming minorities in their own countries that they worked hard to build.
Whites still contribute the most to the U.S., but we've been hijacked by this multicultural delusion that all races are the same and can contribute equally. We are setting ourselves up to fail.
>>70022197
>You do realize you have no real cultural connection to your ancestors, which is tragic.
You don't know me, canacuck, but 'cultural connections' exist in my very nature. To say that I have 'no connection' to my ancestors is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I am active in music, theatre, and art, and have more 'cultural connections' to old Europe than anyone I have ever met.
>>70022197
>you sound like a SJW blaming White Supremacy and the Patriarchy on everything.
I'm so fucking sick of you shills comparing us to SJW trash.
We have been under attack for a long time now. We have existed far longer than the SJW, and then tenants of our philosophy takes our own interests into account. The SJW are simply anti white, we are pro-white. And if you try to tell me that the kikes have not had a pernicious influence on white nations, I will be forced to post a bunch of infographics.
>>70022470
>Please note the point. That a tiny tiny percentage of "non-pures" can still be embraced by the community of the nation.
>That standing on the square of racial purity keeps a people stagnant in their thinking.
no absolutely not. this was the liberal talking point for legalizing miscegenation in the first place and the bastardization of our race.
>>70022177
>It's not because you people make 0 efforts to assimilate them into your culture.
Besides freeing them from slavery, fighting for civil rights, expanding the welfare state SPECIFICALLY for them, De-segregating neighborhoods, giving them affirmitive action, having diversity quotas galore, having specific gerrymandered districts so that blacks get a disproportionate amount of say in our government. To add all the things like our education system funded by the (mostly white) tax base.
Yes, there has been ZERO effort. Fuck off, monkey.
>>70022239
Because Lebanon is lost I assume. Christians there will be gone in a few decades. The same that is happening to us happened there quite some time ago.
>>70022056
There's a bunch of issues here, let's say we embrace you guys especially as your numbers are low and you'd eventually blend in.
Every single last mudslime would instantly claim to be one of you, everyone. They'd alll try and crawl in through the cracks that were opened. The left would immediatly be all over it, try to wrench the door open further.
And no, I'm feeling for you guys, if it were up to me we'd bomb the Mudslimes out of Lebanon and hand it back to you guys right. It was one of the few working countries in the Middle East.
But remember how they made their ways into Lebanon, into the institutions, they exploit tolerance, they exploit libertanism, they exploit any tiny crack.
>>70022588
>just like how the white man raised the africans in africa with his values during colonialism?
>raised the africans
>raised
Huh?
>>70018221
>RAMZPAUL is a Nationalist, not a White Nationalist
A nationalist is someone who identifies with a certain nation/race/ethnic group. If he doesn't identify with anything he's not a nationalist, he can't redefine the term just to appease lefties.
The truth is he's a prissy effeminate wimp with no backbone. WN's hurt his fee fees so now he's talking shit about them.
>>70022056
The French would accept you, being a descendant of Crusaders.
If you can make the leap from Marionate -> French -> European American, that seems and more realistic bridge.
The new nationalism in Europe is going to be an anti-kebab nationalism, so I'm sure Arab Christians will find a way to integrate into that, especially ones with links to the original crusaders.
Think, once most Arabs (and people who are now Arabs) were Christians and integrated fully or partly into the Roman and Hellenic Empires. Then you were nearly all lost to Islam, and now people like you are the last of the Mohicans.
We don't want to share the same fate and become a lost cause like you. Unless we stand up and exclude non-Europeans/Whites, all of Europe and the White West will become like Lebanon.
>>70022832
Please do not miss the point about stagnation, anon..
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>>70021912
And this is why the alt-right movement will not skyrocketeer for a while. The new nationalist wave will only become a real wave when the race = culture and muh white race preservation memes die and let the more reasonable people in after making ideological compromises based on reality.
It's better to do that then become a meme movement like NRx and eventually die out without having had any real effects on world politics.
Reminds me of pic related though, kek. But it will be ruined for a good and practical reason.
>>70022177
Cuck, you give brazilans here a bad name.
>>70022726
I don't know anything of the black panthers and I don't support such exclusion. I'm a countryman, not a raceman. If you uphold the values of this country, then you are a fellow countryman to me. I'm a natural-born citizen of the USA and I work hard every day to earn my keep. I extend my hand to those who are down so that they too can lift themselves - even with some assistance - to a better quality of life.
I am not in a position to talk of communities - I am still working on gaining the skills necessary to govern my own life. but the only real community I consider is the one that is truly built on COMMUNITY and not gibsmefreeshit. the shit side of detroit, for an easy example, is not what I would call a community.
>>70022987
what don't you understand? are you retarded?
>>70020668
100% this, Teddy said it best;
>>70023231
>the white man was a politician
>the black man was a terrorist
Never let facts get in the way of a good story
>>70018221
>the alt-right has a problem with measured legal immigration
I don't think it had until the stormies started thinking they were cool like us
>>70018221
>White Nationalist
>Nationalist
If the Jews are talking about the complete decontruction of the abstract racial structure known as the White Race I am all for it. The sooner you are more accurately confined to refer to yourselves as your proper ethnic or national groups the better. There is NO SUCH THING as the White Nation. American fuckhead bigots are constantly baying on this foul board for the descent of Europe into it's ethnic groups and for the madness of War to descend on it. The so called White nationalists who refuse to see the historical cause and effect of European immaturity and the frankenstein monster it's created should all reap the whirlwind. You WILL make amends to Africa and Africans, you WILL take your place at the table of humanity ...
...even if you're dragged kicking screaming to it.
you will acknowledge reality and apprehend the consequences of trying to force your will on it.
DEUS WULT
>>70023202
>. the shit side of detroit, for an easy example, is not what I would call a community.
>implying there is a not-shit side of Detroit
>>70023108
Issue is keeping them apart, they look very much alike altough one group is obviously less inbred. A lot of the identification will be purely visually as many combatants wiould be irregularly. A lot of innocent people are going to be caught in the crossfire one way or another.
I'll never understand why the Christian militias in Lebanon weren't backed up to expell all the Mudslimes from the country. Instead the UN as usual sided with the slimes.
>>70023157
If you accept all people as equal then their is literally no point to nationalism. It's liberalism with pointless flag-waving and your nation will be replaced by a different 3rd world immigrant group every other generation.
>>70023202
>I don't know anything of the black panthers and I don't support such exclusion
you don't support EXCLUDING the WHITE MAN from the black panthers?!
guys, this thread is FULL of jew shills.
>>70023405
>>70023405
Sum b8, m8.
>>70023231
>civil war
>someone died oh no!!
compare the crime stats of johannesburg 2016 to any city in the world
go ahead ill wait babby retard that cant argue well.
>>70023366
This
>>70023271
>100% this, Teddy said it best;
when US immigration policy was 100% european he said that. a policy that helped build a white nation.
>>70020975
>fight for me
Why would he fight for me? You're so full of retarded /pol/ MUH RACE WAR that is never going to happen.
The only nation a person has to fight for is the US to prove loyalty and patriotism.
>>70023592
Irish, Poles, and Italians were the Mexicans of that era.
I don't think they could even legally label themselves as white in documentation.
>>70023157
You, need to fuck off. Your picture is a great allegory as to why this SHOULDN'T happen, how it ruins the very notion, how it will undermine and destroy the European countries without fail as ultimatively it destroys the movement and ends up with exactly the same problem we have right now, being flooded by mudslimes, blacks and other things.
>>70023592
>when US immigration policy was 100% european he said that. a policy that helped build a white nation.
Yea because he specifically talked about building a white nation /sarcasm.
>It is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin.
Get your shit right, man. You're looking like a fool.
pic related: you.
>>70023479
We have an influx of reddit tier neocons anyway for quite some time. People who at best would count as cuckservatives, who have no idea about these issues and basically want to fix them the same way Europe and the US got fucked up in the first place.
Basically more of the same "muh diversity", "muh tolerance" "muh all ethnicities hold hands" which is driving us to ruin.
>>70023479
This is what happens when the click-bait sites start advertising us. You get a bunch of leftists that like to feel edgy by posting nigger.
>>70023751
>Irish, Poles, and Italians were the Mexicans of that era.
>I don't think they could even legally label themselves as white in documentatio
hurr durr, irish poles and italians where marginalized at one time so therefore all races are the same
>>70023157
>making ideological compromises based on reality.
Oh, you mean bowing down the the will of the kikes, who want to destroy the white race after atomizing it into dissolution?
WHY should we want to live among shitskins? Do you think we don't see the problems that causes? Do you think we like being treated like second class citizens in our own nations, that our ancestors built?
No, the moderates will have to become more like us. We will not compromise. We want a pure ethnic nation state to secure the future of our own people.
If they can't accept that we are going to have to eventually genocide a fuck ton of people, then fuck them.
>>70018221
Ramzpaul is a filthy kike tare shill who admittedly is partially Jewish.
>>70024066
Dude, Romans didn't like Germanic tribes, therefore Northern Europeans are niggers.
BTFO
>>70024046
Yep, they act like everything will be great and their nation will live on if new waves of people are allowed to come in to whatever country they desire and "assimilate" into the culture.
For some reason they can't see that that never fucking happens and the nation will necessarily swing towards the direction of whatever large voting block just marched into their country.
>>70024049
Yeah, which is why I'll never understand why people get upset when reddit takes the fire for something we did and got rolling. Reddit is an awesome containment area.
Luckily most of them leave eventually or actually start reading up on all the data they're bombarded with here. Otherwise we'd basically be tumblr as they push their idiotic tolerance junk further and further applying the same mindset and ideas that brought about the current situation to begin with.
>>70019622
this
>>70022566
fucking cuck, you live in a dream world
>>70023157
What's the fucking logic in a non-race based nationalism. It's an extreme example but a nationalist Germany where every single citizen is of Nigerian descent isn't Germany anymore
>>70024084
>If they can't accept that we are going to have to eventually genocide a fuck ton of people, then fuck them.
Me thinks that it will be you that winds up getting fucked in the end though. Your movement can't stand on it's own, it has no power if it does not have mass support, so if there is no will to commit genocide, then no genocide will.be committed.
>>70024014
you're fucking stupid
>>70024014
>Yea because he specifically talked about building a white nation /sarcasm.
immigration policy up until 1965 was designed specifically to build a white nation
>>70024281
Germanic tribes WERE niggers. Rome got fat, decadent, and started letting the invaders in instead of slaughtering them in their homeland.
Rome died.
>>70023456
The reason is they were abandoned by the Christian world, whilst their Muslim enemies had the support of the entire Muslim world.
Reagan and the French abandoned them after the Hezbollah barracks bombings, Muslim terrorism worked.
Also the Christians were solit between nominal Christian leftists, who preached Arab nationalism and sided with kebabs, and the actual Christian nationalists, who didn't even see themselves as Arabic, but rather a Phonecian-French hybrid people with a Latin mass.
There is a potential for Marionites to be a special case that are able to assimilate into Latin European countries. They don't see themselves as Arabs, regard themselves as part European, the older ones all learnt French and gave themselves French names, have same Latin church masses as Euros, etc. Could assimilate into France or an Italy/Spain.
They hate kebab and have fought to remove it, useful skill.
>>70018221
Is it only me or does this guy have weak-ass pussy game and likes to buy hookers? Like 2-4 girls during life, wife included?
>>70024289
The numbers are important but if you get a constant stream of a group so completely removed from you that it has virtually nothing in common you get a problem at one point or another.
Take a glass of water, start putting droplets of ink into it, sure the ink might dissolve into the glass initially but over time it becomes more and more prominent and at some point you basically have ink and nothing but ink.
Heck Europeans are culturally pretty damn close to the point where a slow exchange barely changes anything in the West and has been going on for a long time. Place a few million Danish in Luxemburg? Luxemburg will be gone, you'll instead have Denmark 2.0. And that is with a populations which are so damn similar it hurts.
ITT: STORM-WEENIES IN FULL DAMAGE CONTROL
GOOD GOYS
>>70024209
Of course he isn't.
Watch his videos.
>>70024824
>>70024824
Go back to re.ddit, faggot
>>70024487
>so if there is no will to commit genocide, then no genocide will.be committed.
Then I guess we will just have to convince the masses that genocide is the only solution to our problems.
>>70024724
but place a few million niggers and arabs in Luxemburg? the country is intellectually and aesthetically ruined forever.
>>70024516
Romans described ANYONE but themselves as niggers, it was a way to dehumanize their enemies and justify their conquests. The Germanic tribes, the Gauls, the Brits, heck even the Karthagians, Greek and such.
>>70024522
The issue is exactly that, our left, our liberals, our tolerance and democracy which they can all exploit and use against us the same they did with Lebanon.
Still think that if shit ever hits the fan nations such as Lebanon should ultimatively be taken back and handed to groups such as the Maronites. Given the track record of Lebanon that country would work without muslims and quite well at that.
>>70025090
Yeah, one is the natural exchange you always find at the borders and especially in case of nations such as the European ones it's not a big problem.
The other one would be a demographic change which might end up snuffing out one of the local cultures. Similar to how some smaller cultures are increasingly fading out in the larger nation states as they're becoming more uniform.
The last one is an unmitigated disaster for all of us.
>>70025115
>Romans described ANYONE but themselves as niggers, it was a way to dehumanize their enemies and justify their conquest
Right. And my point was they were rather successful because of this mentality. I'm not going to let my people fall because Africans might make something of themselves in a few centuries.
Ramzpaul is based.
He's just now upset that white supremacists are bugging him all the time and trying to associate Alt-right with swastikas and shit.
Ramzpaul firmly believes that major white nationalist sites like Daily Stormer are funded by Jews to make nationalists look bad, and I fully agree with him.
He's already a radical who doesn't believe in Holocaust, wants a white only country, doesn't have any white guilt etc. There is no reason to take it further and start going ''1488 GAS THE KIKES!''. He's not mad at you, he hasn't changed his positions. He is simply mad at obvious shills ruining it for the rest of us.
We can't get rid of these fuckers who shave heads and shove swastikas in everyone's face. We can't fucking get rid of these parasites.
How would you feel if these people went to a Trump rally wearing KKK hoods and yelling GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW? It would be pretty fucking awful, so why are you mad at Ramzpaul for hating these people?
I see all those thumbs down on his videos. Idiots. Fucking idiots. Ramzpaul has this shit figured out. He agrees with most of us here. He's based as fuck.
If you're a socialist then go ahead and worship Hitler, but don't try to latch yourself onto nationalists. All you're doing is trying to ruin it for people who hate you.
Whites that fight for the rights and protection of non-whites are exactly the kind of people we need removed from the gene pool.
Otherwise even if we win this shit will happen again and again.
>>70019622
Ramz has made it clear he believes America was founded to be mostly a white Christian country. I don't think he's a cuck. He's defying the autism of white nationalism.
>>70024084
No, by that I mean maintaning the economic and social policies we would've implement but with the exception of meme racial persecutions. Culture is separated from culture and you can't prove otherwise.
>>70023814
Enjoy living under a caliphate then, Hans. The 1488 wing of the alt-right will never gather popular support due to it's edgyness and exclusiveness. We need more people in our side, not less. Purist and dogmatic movements like white nationalism, libertarianism and eco-socialism will never have a massive popular support because there are no ideological or practical compromises on them. Pretty much what >>70024487 said.
>>70023469
>If you accept all people as equal then their is literally no point to nationalism
>what is civi nationalism
>race = culture
>>70023162
We've always had had a bad reputaion here since this board's first inception despite being innofensive 95% of the time. There is nothing we can do about that, sadly.
>>70022588
Europeans never managed to educate Africans properly in the first place. No schooling system for them, no political or scientifical education or anything like that, just blatant exploitation.
>hurr durr we've built railroids
The infrastructure built there by European empires were made solely for the extracted resources to flow properly into their countries.
>No, just no. It's been tried over and over again.
Like?
>he will however never be truly Japanese and stand out solely due to his appearance
This culture equals race ideology is literally gender ideology tier illusion. It's based on a fucking ideology and not real human perception.
>>70022919
>Besides freeing them from slavery, fighting for civil rights
>De-segregating neighborhoods
Ok.
cont.
>>70025405
Don't worry, they wont. They had a very long time to try and do so. Heck we can gauge quite well what we can expect of whom and even then it's not an argument to flood a nation with them engaging in what even the UN would describe as genocide if it wasn't the US/Europe.
>>70025410
>DELETE THIS
But seriously, I completely agree.
>>70025551
"The autism" according to him is wanting to actually keep European nations, European. Yeah, good luck selling that.
>>70025617
Are you an idiot? You are advocating the complete ANATHEMA of what should be done, you're advocating the exact same mentalities, ideas and behaviour THAT LEAD TO THIS CATASTROPHE as a solution while pretending it to be a necessity.
You sound like some far left/green politicians around here. Except not enough islamization denial in there to make the cut.
You are also historically completely wrong, nationalism and far right have dominated through history. It's libertarism, tolerance and leftism which are pretty new and failing terrible in the West.
>>70023202
>I'm a natural-born citizen of the USA and I work hard every day to earn my keep.
Great, you do what most white men do everyday. Do you want a parade?
>I am still working on gaining the skills necessary to govern my own life.
Learn a trade. Seriously.
Look, I don't hate you, you're probably a cool guy and I get we'd get along, but if it comes down to helping to preserve my people or not hurting your feelings, I'm going to have to hurt your feelings. Your culture is being promoted and celebrated and excused away, every fucking day. Even when they are clearly guilty as fuck and they even have Billionaires funding groups to riot when your people get shot for being a criminal. At the same time, crimes against my people are swept under the rug all while we get spit on all day long in the MSM. While my distant relatives get bombed/raped by sandniggers and have their kids taken away if they suggest on FB that maybe we shouldn't import more murderous/rapey Sandniggers that hate them, all in their ancestral home. Do you see why I'm so extreme now?
>>70025410
>>70025551
These.
Everyone ITT please go to 8:00 in his video and listen to what he says (reiterates) about nationalism being a person-to-person exchange and how HAC is an exception.
Listen from 8:00 for about a minute.
It may calm a lot of people down ITT and show basic (like 95 percent) points of agreement.
Why is it so hard for people to get that Culture>Race>All?
Yes Culture is a product of Race but that doesn't mean that Culture and Race are inherently tied on an individual level or that it's impossible for a Race to adopt the Culture of another Race. The fact that there are White Muslims shows this.
To put it another way Germany where the Germans were replaced with Nigerians certainly wouldn't be Germany, but at the same time Germany where all the Germans converted to Islam wouldn't be Germany either even though their Race didn't change.
If Culture is preserved Race will also be preserved because the vast majority of foreign people are not willing or capable of completely adopting the culture of another race. The few that do however are not an issue to the preservation of race as there will never be enough of them to change the face of a nation in the first place.
So the real problem isn't that liberals won't defend race, it's the fact that liberals won't defend culture.
>>70022806
You as dumb as shit you fucking piece of trash.
>>70025944
Are you a shill? He's all for keeping European nations European. Are you retarded?
He explained it in the fucking video. When it comes to Europe it's more complicated than being ''white''. Europeans don't see themselves as the ''white people'' unless those countries are full of non-whites like in Germany.
European countries do not want a white movement. They just want to keep out people from other countries. They are for nationalism. Polish for Polish nationalism, they don't care about being white, if you're German they you're an outsider and they don't want you the same way they don't want someone from Somalia.
Latvian people aren't white nationalists. We are nationalists. We don't want all white people to come here. We want to kick out Russians (25% of pop.) and gypsies(1% of pop.).
Ramzpaul has a far better understanding of these subjects than you retarded ''white nationalists'', some of you are probably shills working minimum wage from your homes. Pathetic.
>>70026654
I know!
Call him dumb! That will show him!
Guys. Let's just get Ramzpaul here to answer questions.
He's on twitter right now. Just tweet him and ask for a Q&A.
He's on your side, just stop spazing out.
>>70025410
Nah, he got his fee fees hurt by WN's so now he's backpedaling and trying to insult them back.
He's got no backbone.
>>70022249
I am Hispanic and many of my family members have fought and died in almost all U.S. wars since war world 2. I am planning on enlisting my self. An I choose to fight not for myself or you but because I believe we must all do our part to uphold liberty and justice for all people Regardless of who you are.
>>70027568
The exact opposite. He is standing firmly for what he has said for years now. He's simply no longer letting the people who he considers shills and idiots do their thing without being called out.
Ramzpaul always calls out the Jew.
You think Daily Stormer accidentally happened to associate alt-right with Social Nationalism? It's not much different from those black guys who went to a Trump rally dressed as the KKK. Too obvious.
>>70026783
>We are nationalists. We don't want all white people to come here. We want to kick out Russians (25% of pop.) and gypsies(1% of pop.).
Good, so do that. In America our circumstances are different, so that's why we are WN. Is it that hard to understand?
>>70027334
I already tweeted at him and he never answered my question. I was very polite and didn't call him a cuck. I wanted to know how you can be have a big tent movement like the Alt-Right and protect against co-option and dilution of your movement/goals like what happened to the Tea Party/GG. He never responded even though he's talked with me before. He'll dodge your question if he doesn't like it.
>>70027945
He's a traitor and will pay the traitors price.
Stop shilling for him, we are (almost) done with him
If race is connected to culture then how would Brazilian nationalism even work? You can't say it won't because we've two nationalist periods already and we are in our way to a third.
>>70027945
He keeps saying he's a nationalist, if he's not a white nationalist then what kind is he?
Idk, sounds like he has no idea what he's talking about if you ask me.
Also when he's pretending to be alpha is pretty cringe inducing.
>>70027788
I respect you my man. We should grab a beer sometime. Who knows imo /pol/ should consider nationalists candidates for governors for their local states. Like my friend told Me I am young and try to run for a Nationalist governor for Wisconsin.
>>70026783
Except "nationality" has been watered down to such an extend that people try pass off a 100% nog as "French" because he has French papers or was born there.
Therefore the white part is very much needed or we'll be Africa 2.0 with Africans going "We wuz britains n shiiiiet".
>>70028357
Sounds like he's a nationalist for his own nation
Also I don't think white nationalism would preserve Europe and not in the defeatist we can't doing anything take
It up the ass attitude but that it will just blend everything together like what The EU does now only with white people instead of everyone group on the planet
>>70027958
Ignore him, the shill is him. He and the others are desperately trying to water down the entire narrative and idea behind this and twist and turn it till they get Neo Con 2.0.
>>70018221
based
>>70025410
This actually makes quite a lot of sense.
>>70028701
Wat? This post makes no sense. Can you try and write that again, in English this time?
>>70027958
Can you read? The dude said that Ramzpaul doesn't support European nationalism. EUROPEAN.
Fucking hell, man. No wonder a lot of you are now hating on Ramzpaul. Zero reading comprehension and probably can't listen either.
Ramzpaul has also talked about your situation and what he wants America to be like. America is fucked up, so it's a whole different story.
His views on America are like a more extreme version of Trump. I don't see white nationalists going ''OH GOD WHAT A KEK! WHAT A TRAITOR!''. He's just a racial realist and a nationalist who isn't ashamed of being white. Why is that a bad thing? Does he really need to advocate genocide?
>>70028783
No, he doesn't. He's trying to open divides and cause infighting while breaking down any kind of movement into various smaller ones pre occupied with fighting one another.
He expects us to disassociate ourselves from our usefull idiots, the ones the left and libertarians happily embrace and support and accept an influx of all kind of groups to "bolster numbers".
Non of this does in any kind of way benefit the white Americans, the European Nations, anyone of us. It does however benefit our political opponents, who wont be engaging in the same self criticism and splintering expected of us, all while increasingly moving towards the Neo Con position, which is basically "open the borders because our economy profits form it!"
I love this nigga B)
Triggering stormcucks is a hoot.
>>70028837
I'm on my phone it's a pain
What I said was that the guy OP is talking about is that he's a nationalist for his nation
>>70029052
Shill on man! I like you guys. Kinda curious, how much are you being paid? Not just you but also the others randomly showing up to act like guys going "AHA" and now finally seeing the light. Or are those proxxy alts?
>>70028357
He's a nationalist for all countries. America needs to stay American. Japan needs to stay Japanese. He uses Israel as an example of what he wants. Israel is allowed to be nationalistic, so should other countries. If Jews are ok to be proud of their heritage then Americans can be proud of being American and have self-determination.
He's simply more educated about the subject.
>>70029256
He's a nationalist in the same way the GoP are conservatives, who want to open the borders and flood the country with immigrants because it helps the industry and various other interests. All while building giant walls around their own properties and not giving a fuck about the very people of their nation.
He's the type of "nationalist" nobody needs, a nationalist in name only who is busy sucking off big bussiness and various other groups.
>>70028624
And he agrees with that. Have you seen any of his videos or are you a shill?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yML623dcSj8
Ramzpaul fucking agrees with you, retard.
>>70029527
How's he like that?
>>70029052
Don't compare him to Trump.
Trump has class and a backbone, he doesn't get down and dirty and talk shit about the kkk or nazis or whoever to appease his opposition.
>>70029309
Nice tactics, retard. You get called a shill so much you started using that as a pathetic shield to protect your bullshit. You're an anti-white traitor loser. Just fuck off. No amount of money is worth what you are doing.
>>70025410
>Ramzpaul firmly believes that major white nationalist sites like Daily Stormer are funded by Jews to make nationalists look bad
I'm sure the man that hangs out with Jews has a real big problem with Jewish involvement in things.
He has no evidence of Jews being involved in DS yet he spouts it as if it's fact.
It's almost as if he's full of shit and trying to discredit his enemies so he doesn't have to deal with their arguments.
>>70029398
>More educated
>Divisive Shilling
>Writes like a typical far leftist
It's funny, really how you can claim being concerned about the countries themselves, their cultures, the people in them all while happily breaking down the very foundation of those societies, fostering exchange of the people, pretending that if you put an Arab into Germany and give him papers his children will suddenly be German and thus encompassed in German nationalism.
You suck at shilling as badly as Cuckpaul does. Go kill yourself you dishonest piece of filth.
>>70027788
Sure, but the people telling you to fight are white. The other soldiers are mostly white. Most of the people in the US are white.
>>70029752
>Trump doesn't talk shit about kkk or nazis, that would be unclassy and cowardly!
Kill yourself.
Trump does have class and a backbone, that's why he's not an arrogant imbecile faggot like your average lil' internet racist.
>>70029700
Because ultimatively he wants us to take a position similar to the Neo Cons, he doesn't outright say it but that would be very much the outcome of the politics he wants to see come to pass.
>>70029771
The only one calling me a shill is you, which is hilarious given that you're the one advocating for increasingly copying Neo Con and Cuckservative attitudes and tactics.
>>70029842
I'd love to see how big of a nose is behind these 21 posts. Loving those shekels, faggot? Enjoy. Buy yourself a dildo.
>>70029052
All this anger and adhoms. Since Ramz is dodging my question, maybe you can answer it. I'll repeat:
>I wanted to know how you can be have a big tent movement like the Alt-Right and protect against co-option and dilution of your movement/goals like what happened to the Tea Party/GG.
>His views on America are like a more extreme version of Trump. I don't see white nationalists going ''OH GOD WHAT A KEK! WHAT A TRAITOR!''.
That's because Trump retweeted a guy named "White Genocide" and then never apologized, deleted or even acknowledged anything wrong with it. Trump has also never punched to rightwards like Ramz is doing. Also, one is a presidential candidate and one is an eceleb.
>>70028725
Agreed. I wanna see him squirm though :)
>>70030000
30,000 for the god emperor.
0 for the lost-to-the-commies beaten-by-his-father degenerate black magic "i worship le black sun" faggot Hitler
>>70030000
By the powers of KEK I place on a P0X on all Nazi faggots.
By the powers of KEK I place on a P0X on all Nazi faggots.
By the powers of KEK I place on a P0X on all Nazi faggots.
>>70030000
>>70030157
Go get lynched, nigger.
>>70025410
the alt right IS the swastika's
Whether openly or not
From the perspective of the mainstream elites, who are universally marxist, everyone on the right is a neo-nazi
Jews are a problem, and he's associating with jews now which motivates this video.
>>70030627
The elites are privatized communists
inb4 lots of nonwhite americans agree with ramz
Sorry, I don't want to "grow" the movement into including you fake americans. Yes, you are fake, the founders could not even predict the insane degeneracy of society we have now. To them, allowing indians, moors, and other southern european mongrels to become full fledged citizens, especially in these large of numbers, was beyond comprehension. They simply believed it would never happen, but oh were they wrong. And now you KEKs think its ok, well its not. America is for white europeans, no one else.
>>70026533
Yes it is impossible for another race to adopt the culture of the other
It can be IMPOSED on them, such as blacks acting respectable in a white country.
But for them to adopt it on their own in their own black country is completely impossible
>>70030085
Says the guy who wants to flood white countries with non whites. Dude I really hope you're an unpaid intern!
>>70030094
It's not a relevant question. Tea Party was just a failure because it didn't have any momentum behind it. It just sizzled out and I haven't heard much about it other than Liberals calling it racist or some shit.
GG accomplished most of it's goals and then stopped being relevant.
Alt-right is nothing but a movement for everyone on the right who doesn't associate with the mainstream right. The 1488 crowd can associate with it, but they shouldn't be actively trying to bring down the entire movement. Alt-right is already openly racist, we don't need Jew funded Daily Stormer trying to paint the entire movement as Social Nationalists.
None of you are addressing what Daily Stormer did and the actual reason Ramzpaul is disassociating himself with white nationalists.
Alt-right will not be brought down by jew shills who use their nazi card to destroy everything right-wing. Stop being an idiot.
>>70030969
Oh yeah, show me the post where I said or even implied that.
I know I can't convince a shill, but people who read this can obviously see who is a dirty Jewish liar.
You fucked up. Should have stuck to calling me a shill and ignoring what I say.
>>70031010
This is great, you're actively trying to sell us some guy who started associating himself with Zionists and suddenly changes his tune, who thinks flooding white countries with non whites is okay because "nationalism isn't one ethnicity" and so on while calling others shills.
>>70031010
Tea party got some shit done, its just that "muh small government" doesn't motivate anymore except being a signal for conservativism or for greedy leftists wanting to keep their money.
Any inclusive organization that allows subversives & jews to fill it up will inevitably fall apart.
This is the importance of 1488
>>70031203
Just give up man. He thinks that being race-blind while being nationalist means that you WILL want to import all sorts of people around the world to your country, while in reality it's the oppose. He's just being buttmad that we don't agree with his narrative.
>>70031010
>Tea Party was just a failure because it didn't have any momentum behind it.
Don't tell me about my country faggot, Ted Cruz acted like he was part of the Tea Party and then turned coat once he was in office. Fact. The RNC co-opted the Tea Party, ask anyone who was actually involved.
>GG accomplished most of it's goals and then stopped being relevant.
Top kek. Not even a gamerfaggot, but this is totally untrue. Name goals that were accomplished. Milo fucked that movement and now he's moved onto the Alt-Right. Great.
>actively trying to bring down the entire movement
Citation needed.
>Jew funded Daily Stormer
Citation needed.
>what Daily Stormer did
Pls explain.
Btw, I have no proof, but I heard Ramz is a pedo. I have no proof, but I'm just going to keep repeating it.
>>70030736
This is such an unrealistic position to hold.
Honestly, how do you plan to de-brown America? Deportation? Genocide? Have you considered the international ramifications of doing such a thing? Have you even thought about how you're going to get people to rally around your ideas?
>>70031203
Nice try Shlomo, you weren't dumb enough to outright say so you are however supporting Cuckpaul who's new idea is exactly that.
American nationalism, neo conservatism without and ethnicity being affiliated with it. Which is once again nothing more than the position already held by some of the more questionable GoP members.
>>70031675
Being "race blind" doesn't work, never did never will. Trying to make it happen makes you no better than the far left, egalitarians aswell as libertarians which caused this entire mess to begin with.
>>70031774
>Don't tell me about my country faggot, Ted Cruz acted like he was part of the Tea Party and then turned coat once he was in office. Fact. The RNC co-opted the Tea Party, ask anyone who was actually involved.
Which is very much what they're trying to do now to the alt right. Basically turning it into Neo Con 2.0 to neutralize it.
>>70018221
>Don't be a cosplaying Stormtrooper
>>70031675
colorblindness is a disability, not a virtue
>>70031963
Have you ever thought about the ramifications of not doing so? That's one thing you guys just love to ignore when you come over here from plebbit and dumblr to preach the same egalitarian trash you used to preach there before the more radical leftists ran you out.
You pretend it's not an option, that nothing but an egalitarian nationalism (what the hell) that is "race blind" will ever work. Which is the same rhetoric which got us into the mess to begin with.
The numbers are on the table, one side isn't going to walk away from this one way or another.
>>70032510
These guys are either shills or basically Leftists/Egalitarians/Liberals which are increasingly being run out by the far left crowd and are now in search of a new group to hijack.
Sadly enough even if they succeed, they'd just reproduce their failure once again. Which is why they're best left ignored.
>>70032208
>Which is very much what they're trying to do now to the alt right. Basically turning it into Neo Con 2.0 to neutralize it.
Exactly. It's obvious. He just handwaved my question and repeated a bunch of accusations with no backing. Ramz also accused Weev of being Jewish and then went "Hey, I was just trolling, lol." No, you weren't you eceleb faggot. The Alt-Right doesn't need media attention, we have our own media, thank you very much.
>>70031493
But no one is ''letting Jews in''. People on the alt-right are having an open dialogue with people outside alt-right who want to know about us.
We want people to know what it means to be a nationalist and what kind of ideas there are on the alt-right. The vast majority of alt-right ideas are seen as radical. The primary objective of the movement is to give people on the right a voice and requestion our representatives to support and back us up.
>>70031675
I am not talking about being race-blind though. Minorities are a big issue and we want less of them. There should be a push-back against minorities, but I wouldn't advocate an all out race war.
America is 65% or something white. Let's be real here. You can't kill all non-whites, but you can segregate. BLM is pushing for segregation, white people should be pushing for segregation too.
I don't have the fucking answers, no one here does. I think Muricans should cut welfare spending massively and be more racially aware. Just don't fly nazi flags, it's embarrassing.
>>70031963
100 years ago a black president of USA was unthinkable. Anything and everything is possible, for better or worse.
>>70029857
True. Even though pol won't like the word I am about to say. Equality, it is for equality, and not the left kid glove idea of equality but the pure version of it. The one that says that a man can rise and fall by his will, ambition, and strength of character and Not Impeded or held above by the mere tint of ones skin.
>>70032832
> People on the alt-right are having an open dialogue
No, they're not. Neither are you. They are trying to incorporate the entire egalitarian, "color blind" outright marxist crap that the left has been spouting for a long time. Instead now claiming that EVERYONE can be a good nationalists and that any nog raised in Germany will be an upstanding and great German nationalist if just raised right.
>There should be a push-back against minorities, but
After this it's basically just excuses. You want to give up entire parts of the countries while simultaneously admitting you have no answer and neither a solution.
Sure, we give them a few federal states in whom they can live and rapidly multiple and then when they start moving en masse into the others we do the same again and again.
>>70032832
>People on the alt-right are having an open dialogue with people outside alt-right who want to know about us.
>Ecelebs are hijacking a movement to tone-police it and increase their celebrity and click$$$.
FTFY.
>There should be a push-back against minorities, but I wouldn't advocate an all out race war.
What do you advocate then? Open borders for only white movements/countries? I don't think any WN are talking about kicking people out of the US, it's about establishing white communities.
>Just don't fly nazi flags, it's embarrassing.
You know they'd just call you a Nazi anyway, right? You could be the most polite and sincere person, but if you stick up for white people in any way they will call you a Nazi anyway. Look at Trump.
>>70032533
There are other options besides "capitulate to the left" and "gas all the non-whites". You're assigning way too many things to me that aren't true and I doubt you're willing to have an honest conversation. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is simply a jewish shill cucking for the niggers or whatever. Have a good one, Hans.
>>70031774
>Name goals that were accomplished
It was started to point out nepotism in gaming after Zoey Quinn fucked 5 guys who had ties to gaming media.
Gawker media lost millions of dollars and major gaming sites had to change their policies. Loads of people got fired, loads of people left because they couldn't take the pressure.
There was nothing to do after that.
>Citation needed.
>Pls explain.
Pic related.
They talked shit about alt-right and once it got popular they do this. It's no different from showing up to a Trump rally wearing nazi shit. They see nationalism getting popular so they have to associate it with their favorite nazi card that has worked for 70 fucking years to shut down any right-wing movement.
> I heard Ramz is a pedo
And I am not asking for proof. Might be a pedo, but that's not an argument. Nothing to do with what he stands for.
>>70033159
Equality is a buzzword that's basically just thrown around because it sounds very well. So we're supposed to let them in, all of them? Give them equal access to social welfare, education, everything paid for by us for the sake of equality. Then when things go horribly wrong atop of the huge investment, it's just "rise and fall by his own will".
You're basically Neo Cons if not further left at that point. Good job.
>>70025410
I was never a fan of Ramzpaul. Never found him particularly entertaining or insightful. Seems like a nice enough guy though.
I am a National Socialist. Racial politics are a dead end when communicating with normies, and any NS with an iota of self awareness should be able to recognize this. Fortunately, there are plenty of tools to push our agenda without resorting to racial politics. IQ and crime stats, third world immigration realities, etc. Better to push these ideas rather than attempt to build an ideal edifice from the beginning.
When the establishment lies in a smoking ruin and a sort of 'civic nationalism' has taken hold, the overwhelming majority of those in the ruling and upper classes will be whites. At this moment if a NS society is still desirable and viable (that is, if a purge of undesirables based on the above categories still results in societal imbalance and lack of solidarity appropriate for our people) then it will be a simple matter to pivot and begin a cleansing of the mainstream ideology to meet NS ends.
I don't really know Ramzpaul, but just because he doesn't like punk/skinhead/neo-nazi larping doesn't mean he's some anti-racist cuck. I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure he embraces all of the ideas of white nationalism just based upon the fact that I've seen him on Millennial Woes's channel and on The Daily Shoah.
>>70033504
I am still waiting for you to show where I said I want non-whites in white countries.
>>70021390
>Other races aren't as inclusive as whites and probably wont be as generous as you when whites are a minority in this country.
toppest of keks child.
>>70025410
>He's not mad at you, he hasn't changed his positions. He is simply mad at obvious shills ruining it for the rest of us.
THIS
RamZPaul has the right approach
Jared Taylor and AmRen have the right approach
Embrace intelligent ethnonationalism based on practical grounds and reason, not on some romantic, emotionally driven obsession with Germany in WWII. It really is autistic cosplay, and it makes the rest of us look like shit.
>>70033604
So many great other options to be had, especially ones that haven't been tried over and over and over again by the left already!
But yes, certainly handing over large parts of our countries in Europe and the US signaling them weakness and defeatist attitude is the way to go. Especially since that segregation isn't even backed by the societal climate you want to foster and thus would be a complete lie to begin with.
But name some solutions, go on.
>>70019694
Because all the whites whose families have been in America for 4+ generations retain their national differences.
>>70033820
You are supporting Ramzpaul who wants exactly that. Therefore you are supporting it and want it.
>>70033905
He's right. There isn't a single country outside of the Western one and extremly westernized such as Japan/South Korea where minorities aren't heavily discriminated against or basically driven to extinction.
Seriously calling someone a "child" here, makes you stand out. You might want to cut back on that in the future when shilling.
>>70033662
>They talked shit about alt-right
post evidence pls. Banter is banter btw. Anglin is on TRS quite often, making fun of Richard Spencer's haircut is just banter dummy. Where's your proof he's backed by Jews? Did you forget that one? How about Ramz claiming Weev was Jewish to discredit him(personally I wouldn't care, he's a better asset than some boomer faggot who makes youtube vids)
>Might be a pedo, but that's not an argument.
I was making fun of your tendency to claim anything with a Swastika is Jewish-backed without any evidence. See how easy it is?
>>70033555
>I don't think any WN are talking about kicking people out of the US, it's about establishing white communities.
So what's your fucking problem? What are you arguing about?
>You know they'd just call you a Nazi anyway, right?
Yes, because they have been using shills for decades to pretend to be nazis. Everything right wing = nazi. Something nationalistic = nazi.
You don't just give into the narrative.
When feminists call men rapists you don't start accusing other men of rape and helping the feminists build up their narrative. You don't start putting ''date rape'' drugs in all drinks and expect the men to fuck them while they are drugged up. You don't tattoo the words ''I rape women'' on your shaved head. Stop buying into the narrative.
Am I talking an alien language here? What the fuck is going on?
>>70018221
Cultural Nationalism is pointless and for cucks. Eurasian Nationalism is best Nationalism.
> /pol is literally going to ruin the only chance we have left at starting a political party and taking the country back because it literally cannot stop being UNRIONICIALLY racist for ten minutes.
>>70034596
It's great to see you guys come in here, people who obviously have never before participated on this side, using terrible pictures completely out of context and pretend to be /pol/ users.
You guys are terrible at this.
>>70034596
Please go watch a Ben Shapiro video you stupid neocohen cuck. Stop Shilling anti-white bullshit on /pol/.
I agree with ramz in the sense that nothing will ever be achieved with the swastika and all the 14/88 shit. You will stay being an outsider, although I suspect many people here love being edgy
>>70034596
>starting a political party
might as well join the pirate party
>>70034319
I don't know what kind of person thinks that whites have been inclusive and generous to minorities in the US, but I would say that person is either 'extremely naive' or 'completely disingenuous'.
>>70034811
>>70034766
>>70034748
AHAHA REVERSE TROLLED
LMAO I GOT THEM GOOD
B8'D AGAIN. LMAOOOOO
>>70034811
how do you want to change the world around you? by shitposting in /pol ?
>>70034349
You're just ignoring what I say and asking me to find source of more obscure claims. You're wasting my time. I might as well just disregard everything you said and go ''Anglin is on TRS often? Where's your proof of that? He's making fun of Spencer's haircut? Where's the proof of that?''. Stop being a dick.
The general point that I am making is that whether or not swastika wearing fags are backed by Jews is not that relevant. What's relevant is that all the swastika shit does is benefit the Jews. It has been used time and time again to hurt everything nationalistic, everything white and everything right-wing.
Quite frankly I don't see what that shit has to do with what we are trying to accomplish. It's extremely counter-productive.
Again, would you invite KKK and neo-nazis to a Trump rally and why? Maybe I shouldn't call them Jew funded shills. They might as well be doing it for free without themselves knowing.
>>70034904
I don't know what kind of person can look at the historical track record of humanity all across the globe, including recent developements such as the treatment of whites in South Africa or Zimbabwe and pretend minorities haven't been treated well.
In fact they're being allowed to be a HUGE drain on resources, to produce criminality to no end, are actively coddled and protected like some prized pet of the libertarians.
I mean you could go and ask most minorities in other countries but you'd find a great many of them can't answer, because they've been driven to extinction! Then again, there's some who are still around but rapidly fading, might ask those. Coptic Christis for example in Egypt!
>>70018221
when hispanics outnumber whites any semblance of white american will be slowly eradicated through democracy. the flag might stay the same, but that's be about it. the winning coalition (i.e. mexicans) will be deciding the fate of the nation and any ground work for white nationalism created today will pay off dividends in protecting white interests in america, if not globally, for that future. he's dead wrong. he got butthurt because some 1488 hardliner harassed him over the photo. he needs to fuck off with his ego and stay on message.
>>70035051
Only those with money and power can change the world around them.
I'll get back on you when i have that.
>>70034904
What exactly do you want American whites to do for minorities? Give them priority in college admission? Prop them up with a huge welfare state? Completely surrender urban communities to their control? Refuse to police petty crime?
Or is that not enough? Would you rather us all just bend over and spread our asses you stupid cuck?
>ITT
>>70033691
I'm not saying to let all of them in or to pay for them to sit around and do nothing. All I am saying is one should be able to rise as far as they can go or let fall on their own. Now judging by your flag the "them" you are referring to are the "refugees". The ones that want to bring shria law or change your country culture and be given everything, fuck them up and send them back to wherever they come from. But the ones that are willing to respect YOUR country laws and Embrace YOUR customs and work for a living. Why not permit them at your discretion
>>70034363
My problem is that Ramz is talking about a deracinated Nationalism, a tent so big that it will eventually get co-opted and distracted like all white spaces that are opened to non-whites.
Even if DS and TDS wasn't around they'd create them just to discredit you anyway. The KKK is completely irrelevant at this point, but according to the media they are the biggest threat currently. Yawn. 1488 types are valuable because they represent the far, far end of the spectrum, which prevents the media from putting Ramz and the Alt-right at the very far end of the spectrum. By being so far to the right they move Ramz to the center, you see? Overton window.
>>70035165
Andrew Anglin is on radio shows on TRS, which is usually considered to be "Alt-Right". How new are you dude? Everyone makes fun of Richard Spencer for being "gay" and his HJ haircut(I think it looks cool personally, but just relaying this info to you).
>What's relevant is that all the swastika shit does is benefit the Jews.
>What's relevant is that if we stop posting Swastikas on 4chan we can get some great advertisers on here and be more like Reddit!
FTFY.
I wouldn't invite KKK member to a Trump rally(Heimbach is a faggot), no, but I also wouldn't write a clickbait article about the Alt Right for Breitbart. I think you don't know this scene as well as you claim tbhq familial. Are you new? Be honest, I won't bite.
>>70034904
YOU literally make our race look bad.
I want to jump on this nationalist shit and you are ruining it for me.
Please kill yourself
but seriously /pol/ why can't we be allies? i probably sound whiter then you, i want to work, i'm in school, i don't nig i don't nog and i fucking love the USA.
We could be legendary together, but nooooooooooooo you guys have to be uppity and shit. You would rather go to arms with cucked whites who hate your guts then a FEW minorities who would literally die with you.
top cuck my friends
>>70035566
>What exactly do you want American whites to do for minorities? Give them priority in college admission? Prop them up with a huge welfare state? Completely surrender urban communities to their control? Refuse to police petty crime?
I'm not sure in what world this is an accurate depiction of what whites have 'done for minorities', but it is interesting that this could be someone's take on things.
Ideology and white supremacy are a hell of a drug anon.
>>70035294
very cynical point of view m8, sometimes something can be done. have some hope
>>70036051
>YOU literally make our race look bad.
>I want to jump on this nationalist shit and you are ruining it for me.
What are you talking about, anon? Can you explain this a bit? What race are we a part of? What race am I making look bad? How am I ruining nationalism for you?
>>70018221
Is this guy trying to intentionally destroy his fanbase by mischaracterizing us and making an issue out of literally who's on Twitter? If I have to fucking hear about this one more time, I'm unsubbing this faggots channel.
>>70036058
>white supremacy
Yup, college libtard.
>>70036051
Some of you can stay, all of you have to lose your citizenship.
>>70036259
>college libtard.
Not accurate but till a knockdown argument!
>>70036058
you rn
>>70018221
>I support white people living with people
>I'm not a white nationalist
>>70036333
is that right?
>>70036180
i assumed you were a minority.
but on further inspection you seem to be a nu-male
>>70036051
IF you are a nigger, Jew or Muslim then many of us want to kill you. The ones that don't refuse to recognize the threat your very existence poses to our own autonomy and future.
Fuck the black race, in america, especially. The only way we are going to make this country better is if we deport/genocide every single one of you.
>>70036051
>I want to jump on this nationalist shit and you are ruining it for me.
pic-related.
>>70036219
Yeah, I'd stop following him on twitter but it's fun to antagonize him.
>>70036051
Instead of complaining to white nationalists, most of whom you already had as allies at one point, start fucking fighting the non-white nationalists that make up the majority of "PoC" identity political groups. Don't complain to whites like its our fucking fault, we're struggling to get our people to look out for our own interests after BUILDING AS COLORBLIND OF A SOCIETY AS THIS WORLD HAS EVER HAD. We aren't the ones tearing it to pieces. You want a place for yourself as a nationalist in a colorblind society, go fight your own asshat people. Don't come complain to us. I was on your side most of my life, until I couldn't be anymore. I have no more patience or sympathy, don't EVER fucking whine to us.
>>70035921
No, the refugees are just the most recent groups. Basically all non Western European groups except for some East European (not balkan( and East Asian tiny minorities show the same issues.
Having any of them around is in no way beneficial to me, in fact it will ultimatively kill the country, it's culture, it's heritage, it's very people.
Which is something you support, as you want white countries to be "for everyone to rise and fall". That's not up for discussion, you could create that in Mexico or somewhere else if you want it so badly but not in my home country.
>>70035949
>Spergs on the internet are moving the overton window.
How dense do you have to be to believe that? Think for a fucking minute. You know what's moving the overton window? Seeing blacks chimpout over dindu nuffin on his way to college and hearing the media saying its your fault. Seeing some feminist hambeast crying about the lack of women in stem, moves the overton window to the right.
Hitler didn't take over because the far-right was even scarier than he was. Nixon didn't get elected because of the neo-nazi party. No, the left went over the line, and their motives became obvious. The no enemies to the right muh overton window argument is based on projection.
all these "alt right" weirdos are so much cringe, worst thing to ever happen to 4chan
like that guy mentioning /pol/ on fox business, or that breibart fag milo yianwhatever trying to style himself as some leader of this board.
either keep rule 1&2 or gtfo 4chan forever
>/new/ and pre-gamergate /pol/
>lolbertarian, national socialist, or general reactionary
>unapologetic about being racist >realizes that "sjws" and feminists are just the endgame of liberalism and the French Enlightenment
>2015-2016 /pol/
>cuckservative/civic nationalist
>complains that democrats are "the racists"
>sincerely believes that non-whites as a whole care about your civic nationality
>accuses 1488ers (anyone less moderate than me) of "larping", while doing the exact same thing
Uh, what happened to this board?
The strawpolls show that the majority of 4chan users browse and never post. You faggots better read this fucking thread.
You know who you are.
>>70035949
>My problem is that Ramz is talking about a deracinated Nationalism
But he is not. Come on.
>prevents the media from putting Ramz and the Alt-right at the very far end of the spectrum
Then what's the problem with Ramzpaul disassociating with these people? You're literally agreeing with me and ramzpaul. We don't want these people to be gone, we just don't want to be lumped in with the kooks. Just read your own comment again. You agree with me and Ramzpaul.
>Andrew Anglin is on radio shows on TRS
It was a joke to show how frustrating it is to talk to people like you. Come on. I am not asking you for proof. I am not asking you about Andrew Anglin or Richard Spencer. I as illustrating a point.
You have serious reading comprehension problems.
>Are you new?
Been here 7 or 8 years. More importantly I don't have autism or dyslexia.
>>70036509
But how was I ruining things for you? You want to get into nationalism but if other minorities don't act right the white boys might not let them in? Sorry for not dropping to my knees to suck white cock you pathetic piece of shit.
