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>This moment following a third place showing in the 2004 Iowa caucuses all but ended Howard Dean's run for president.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6i-gYRAwM0
Explain to me how this ended his chances at winning? The guy just got hyped up and excited?
>Howard Dean’s odd scream has followed him for 12 years and counting. It has been called a scream from 2004 that doomed his run for president.
The happy "yeah" somehow made all Americans hate him and ended his chances?
What the fuck?
Sounds like a cat getting raped.
>>69976093
YEEEEAAAAGGGGGH
Never forget it.
>>69976093
maybe they dont want rednecks to be president?
It's the same logic as never wanting to see your dad cry. Or see your mother spit like a guy...
Awkward. You can't see them in the same light anymore.
Liberals like to make shit up to seem smart.
>>69976093
>disappointing Iowa finish
>already dying in the polls
>gives radio and tv shills an easy thing to tease him about
His campaign was dead without the scream, but it sure helped it die faster.
its disguisting to me that the media let this scream ruin his candidacy, but Donald Trump can be openly fascist and they keep treating him with kid gloves. Ted Cruz can talk about "spanking" Hillary and its fine. I can only imagine what they would be doing to Hillary if she said anything even half as offensive as what the GOP says on a daily basis. "left wing media" my ASS!
>>69976093
We don't let ourselves get worked up like that. We don't sing karaoke and we don't dance. Displays of emotion, crying, cheering, are considered the acts of unstable little girls. When a grown man does something like this in America, serious doubt is directed at his mental stability. If he is that quick to excitement, and lossibly to anger, is he also a wife beater? What kinds of irrational things is he capable of?
>>69976093
Meme magic made him into a joke
>>69976093
No. This is a phony narrative that was designed to help kill Dean's chances. The media and DNC were scared about his chances in the general election. He'd already made some serious missteps, and they really wanted a better fake American to run.
He was the legit choice of the Democrat party voters that year, but they were conned out of it to pick the gigolo John Kerry (who served in Vietnam).
>>69976093
...
I was underwhelmed; I was expecting something much more distinctive. Nothing was ruined, except my expectation of laughter.
>>69976567
Cuck detected
>>69976093
>3rd place
>had a chance
pick one
>>69976093
>Explain to me how this ended his chances at winning?
it didn't, that's just a meme
progressives just aren't really popular in America
Wow.
I remember that. They'd play it non stop on the news for like a week.
With Trump running, he just seems like a normal person. Dean really should have kept going instead of explained himself.
i've fantasized about being at some restaurant where he's at and doing the scream at him
>>69976093
The daily show cucked the shit out of him when that happened, because he wasn't the liberal they wanted.
The audio was manipulated to drown out the audience and highlight his scream. There was absolutely nothing wrong with what he did.
But he went a long with it. And now is a Democrat shill. It is so obvious they made him a deal and he was bought. He disgusts me. The man has no integrity. He is a complete cuck.
>>69976584
>being this dead on the inside
>>69976093
>The happy "yeah" somehow made all Americans hate him and ended his chances?
>What the fuck?
The US Mainstream Media, which is 99% soft/hard right wing, immediately jumped on it, WITHIN HOURS, to propagandize it as something silly. They certainly did NOT have time to get a real sense of it from the general public, only got their cues from the right wing echo chamber.
All of the people in the room were wildly and happily cheering along with him. They didn't think it was wrong at all.
Dean was closest to the Bernie Sanders true left Democrat wing,
The media had to destroy him.
>>69976567
>I can only imagine what they would be doing to Hillary if she said anything even half as offensive as what the GOP says on a daily basis.
using "I'm too stupid to not commit treason" as a defense in front of the FBI is pretty offensive desu
>>69977292
>The US Mainstream Media, which is 99% soft/hard right wing
>MSM
>right wing
We've made memeple out of people who had a 1 second weird look on his face and you need to explanation why this would cause harm?
>>69976093
Say something enough times and eventually people will believe, and when you've got control of the entirety of the media machine, there's no alternative.
The difference is with Donald, the explosion of the internet into popular conciousness meant an explosion in media outlets - the likes of Breitbart, Infowars, other news aggregators (whether you agree with them or take them seriously or not) coming mind in opposition to the outpost on the prairie that Fox was. And that's without taking into account that the news media takes left wing facebook posts and twitter outrages as national trends and public support/opposition
>>69977292
>99% soft/hard right wing
loving every laugh/10
It wasn't that bad, it's played up a lot in retrospect.
He had lost Iowa and was going to lose New Hampshire, the media poking fun at him for screaming like a spastic at a rally had minimal effect on his campaign ending.
>>69977367
(un-ironically uses a picture of a neckbeard to mock my post)
>>69976093
just another media hitjob
>>69976611
This.
>>69976093
Memes can make and break campaigns. Trump's a master memetician. In lesser hands, Lil Rubio's 'little hands' quip could have been Trump's Dean moment and ultimate downfall.
>>69977292
Yes, YES! 99% control of the media by the right! Hence why so many conservatives refer to the new right wing media on the internet and talk radio as the samizdat media.
>>69977562
No. It was a forced meme. He was killed off by his own side. No amount of Glenn Beck replaying that bite was going to hurt anyone in the Democrat Primary. They don't listen to Glenn Beck anyway unless they are doing oppo.
>>69976093
I don't understand it either.
I think the setup to it was WAY more awkward then the actual "scream".
The scream seems super fake and he pulled back on it.
The media just took it and dumped on him and the boobs ate it up.
If you think about it Hillary's barking was WAY more awkward then that scream will ever be but the media barely touched on it because they don't want to burn her up.
>ARGH ARGH
To be fair neither deserve to be destroyed over either of those situations. They should be anally devastated over their shit polices or crimes.
The news ran with it to start the fire then all the late night shows and comedians beat the fuck out of him for it. By the time the dust settled he was a joke and the race was over. I remember before that though he was definitely one of the front runners for the dem nom.
Yea it was always strange to me too as a teenager. People even called him insane and unstable for getting excited at a fucking rally.
>>69977534
His neck is cleanly shaven.
>>69977713
>Hillary's barking
Holy shit you weren't kidding
>>69976692
Same fate as mike gravel
Who helped with some college kids art film by silently dropping a rock in a pond and walking away. Was his own Howard dean YEEEAHH moment and gravel was my favourite democrat candidate in recent memory.
>>69976567
They shit on Trump every fucking day at every fucking minute.
They wait for any moment to twist whatever he says to take a massive shit on Donald.
How high do you have to be to not see that?
If the internet didn't exist we would be in huge trouble because the MSM shilling is so fucking ridiculous it makes soviet propaganda look tame.
>>69976470
True
>>69976567
I saw this in the comments section lol
>>69977868
I didn't think there were many people around who'd remember Mike Gravel. Didn't he do radio for awhile as well? During the "left's answer to Rush" period where everyone got a radio show.
>>69976093
Its like Rick Perry losing 2012 because of one blunder https://youtu.be/0uvmKnFY4uk
Competive fields look for failures. Rubio might just have lost because of Roboto.
>>69977645
>Yes, YES! 99% control of the media by the right! Hence why so many conservatives refer to the new right wing media on the internet and talk radio as the samizdat media.
read a book sometime
perhaps 1984
to understand how fake opposition is used
your belief in the right wing's assertion that "those guys over there are lefties" is as foolish as all the people who believed the Emperor had new clothes on (sorry, another reference to a book)
>so many conservatives refer
I will have to take your word for that, you seem to follow the right wing a lot closer than me. I never listen to a minute of it.
Where have a I heard that scream before?
Obviously this is the original but I've definitely heard it somewhere out of politics.
>>69977292
>he US Mainstream Media
>99% soft/hard right wing
Trump could scream like this and his poll numbers would go up. Some men are crushed by meme magic while it only makes others grow stronger.
>>69976093
>The happy "yeah" somehow made all Americans hate him and ended his chances?
I don't know anything about this but considering the things going on in the current cycle, I'd guess the MSM presented it as a scream of desperation kind of thing and the public ran with that. Does that come close to the truth?
>>69977292
>>69978048
> People unironically recommending 1984, a book by a MI5 informant
wew lad
>>69976093
He is the American Neil Kinnock
>>69976584
>When a grown man does something like this in America, serious doubt is directed at his mental stability. If he is that quick to excitement, and lossibly to anger, is he also a wife beater?
This kind of mentality doesn't work in a way that objectively evaluates behavior, it works in a way that seeks to connect preexisting prejudice to subjectively questionable behavior.
What other kinds of irrational things are you capable of? Please tell, because there really are people reasoning this way and no one should have to deal with them being taken seriously.
lol white people rules
Obama could have done that every day and been elected
>>69978048
Tell ya what. Look up that weird Russian word I used while I finish laughing at you.
Fuck 1984. Orwell was still too enamored with the communists to break it down in non-fiction like he did with Down and Out in Paris and London.
1984 was about Stalin. Specifically Stalin and decades late. I'm in the middle of writing commentaries for an annotated edition of The Gulag Archipelago right now. Just a piece of that story is enough to make me regret not having a chance to spit in Orwell's face.
I'm working my ass off on that ~2,000 page work with a shit advance because I'm afraid people will forget the lessons learned in the Soviet Union. Just like the shitstains like you who think 1984 had to do with anything but Stalin.
>>69978409
Bit odd really since it was Joe Biden who nicked a Neil Kinnock speech once while campaigning for the Democrat Nomination.
>>69978584
anon, 1984 was a contemporary satire
>>69978387
>unironically believing MI5 planted disinfo about a book which shows how close UK is today to that state
>>69976093
It wasn't just the scream, it was the shame he demonstrated when questioned about the scream, if he would have joked about it and owned it, it probably would have been fine, but he acted like a fag about it instead.
He wasn't annointed and was doing well enough to be a threat. If it weren't the scream, they'd have found (or at least tried to find) something else.
>>69977292
>The US Mainstream Media, which is 99% soft/hard right wing,
>>69977867
Look at the shit they pull. You can tell they portray an interviewee as a bad guy when they put a certain color of lighting on him/her.
>>69978717
The media can generate any narrative they want and the cucks will run with it.
They've tried doing it to Trump constantly but it hasn't taken since his support base is uncucked.
>>69977292
For the record, beyond that idiotic right wing media comment, I think you could have a point.
Do you have any examples of policies Dean supported that would cause an immediate establishment backlash? The media's mocking of that scream always seemed suspicious to me.
I mean, seriously. 2016 is looking to be Hillary "Barks like a dog" Clinton VERSUS Donald "motorboats Giuliani in drag" Trump. His yell isn't even near that bad.
>>69979160
Ok, I was describing the narrative, but at least I didn't invalidate my first statement with my second.
Also Trump has already admitted that his supporters are already fully cucked and he could kill people in front of them and keep their support.
>>69979083
I suppose you believe (or maybe even want to promote) the right wing assertion that media like PBS and NPR are the pinnacle and core "liberal lefty opposition". Limbaugh/Fox/Glen Beck all assert this.
In fact they both have been controlled by the Koch Bros and other corporate types for nearly 20 years.
Here's what REAL Liberals think of the soft right media like PBS
http://fair.org/magazines/new-yorker-magazines/problems-at-pbs-from-rose-to-koch/
>>69976093
Moments that cost you the election thread?
>>69979362
>his supporters are fully cucked
His supporters are the opposite of cucked. Other candidates supporters would flee at the first embarrassment or sign of trouble, Trump's supporters aren't so easily cucked by petty constructed media narratives. They have their eyes on the bigger picture. In this case, the massive populist changes that Trump is promising; To bring us away from the globalist warmongering status quo.
>>69979362
Anon, that was an old political cliche he was using.
>>69979575
>That moment McCain cancelled his campaign tour to return to Washington during the financial crisis he was incapable of understanding.
>>69976093
Lord KeK willed it. Meme magic has no mercy.
http://deanvsbergkamp.ytmnd.com/
>>69979558
That's the worst strawman argument I've ever seen.
>>69976093
>A scream doomed someones political career
Reddit logic
>>69976093
Man Americans are sensitive little bitches. Harden the fuck up you pussies.
>That feel when Texas Reagan forgot the third thing.
>>69979558
>Still falling for the nu-left/right pantomime
>>69979629
So is calling a cuck a cuck, whats your point?
>>69976567
>I can only imagine what they would be doing to Hillary if she said anything even half as offensive as what the GOP says on a daily basis. "left wing media" my ASS!
Nothing becasu she is as establisment as they get. She could stomp a baby and they would still try to defend her.
>>69976093
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unRldLdllZ8
>>69976093
>comes in fucking third in the first primary
>literally zero hopes of winning any of the remaining 49 states
>gets this excited
>ends up screaming like a loon
He got what he deserved, what a fucking idiot.
>>69979804
No, I'm pretty sure calling someone a cuck isn't an old political cliche.
The old line about being so popular you could shoot someone in the middle of the street and still win, is at least a half century old. Probably Daley machine Chicago, but I can look to be sure if you'd like.
The point is that you're trying to inflate a tired cliche into something mind-boggling.
>>69976567
>media
>treating Donald with kid gloves
Lay off the drugs son.
>>69976782
>>69977713
Agreed. I think it's a broader phenomenon in which people try to explain something but couldn't, so just makeup stuff to do that.
>>69979640
What was actually happening here?
>>69979897
No, anon. The Beetle Bailey pictures hurt Dukakis, but so did being a tiny manlet, being really proud of giving murderers weekend passes so they could rape people in other states(Willie Horton), and saying he'd still oppose the death penalty even if his own wife was raped and murdered.
Dukakis was a caricature of liberals on crime and it sunk him.
>>69976093
Irrelevant shit that doesn't matter anymore: The Thread.
>>69976093
>Explain to me how this ended his chances at winning?
The media turned it into a forced meme that it ended his chances, because the fix was in for Al Gore. The media has always played hitman for the candidates the party donors are already aligned behind. This was before the ubiquity of the Internet, before people realized how badly the media was lying propaganda. After the Ira war, the media sunk in trust and positive opinion. They're somewhere around 10% positive opinion now in the US. Everyone goes online for their information now, so it can't really work the same way. The media is just now figuring ho much power they've lost with the experience of Trump.
>>69980207
Cuckoldry in US Presidential politics goes back to at least the Petticoat Affair.
Even the last asshole can't forgive someone torturing kittens
>>69980427
>ended his chances
He never had a chance to begin with though.
>>69980477
You win this round. I'd have to google that. My metier is current events (Always the current day to minus 50 years).
That scream was everywhere. I remember mash-ups being a thing at the time and the local radio station working that yell into every one of their self made mash up songs.
>>69980480
dean looks like he could kick some ass. I wouldn't talk back to that fucker in shop class
>>69976093
The scream didn't kill his chances, he was already dead in the water.
He was just an easy target.
Like when the quiet nerd farts in class, he gets called "skidmark" for the rest of his life.
When the cool kid farts in class however, people laugh for half a minute and forget all about it.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
but yeah Dean wasn't winning anyway. It would be like blaming that bird who shit on Bernie's podium for costing him the nomination--wasn't gonna happen anyway.
>>69981381
>bird who shit on Bernie's podium
Did it really?
>>69980290
If I remember correctly nothing happened, McCain was a cripple due to his plane crashing and what the gooks did to him in Vietnam and didn't do: treat his injuries in a serious manner. IIRC this was taken at those shitty walking the floor debate which besides are shitty formats, it was retarded for McCain to participate in given concerns about his age and that he cannot end the accusations by walking around in pain.
>>69976093
you can kinda see it on his face that he realized he fucked up after that yell
>>69981769
Interesting... would love to see a video of that though.
>>69982248
They weren't even that interesting. Just imagine McCain slowly walking around uncomfortably white gripping the microphone.
My fave meme of him at the time
>>69979575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2gvY2wqI7M
Is what he said true though? Do 47% of Americans really pay no income tax?
>>69976093
Becasue it was a sign of insane delusion, and voters, rightly, saw him as a madman from that point on.
It hit the wrong emotional note. He had just come 3rd in a primary he was expected to win. His speech had no sense of proportion or relation to reality. No acknowledge of a setback or gritting it on.
It was pure mania, unjustified mania.
The scream was the manic cry of a bipolar man untethered to reality.
>>69983214
No. I make minimum wage and I pay income tax. When I do my tax returns, they still charge me (though not that much)
Mitt Romney never saw a real paycheck in his life.
In Canadian political history we have had some politicians blunder in public and have it ruin their entire career. One guy running for leadership of a party( I think) was photographed dropping a football during a game of catch and it ruined him. Another guy had an interview right after he got off a sea-doo and it ruined him to.
It's somewhat more relaxed now and people tend to forget blunders more easily. A leader of one party gave a drunk speech last year and no one even remembers it anymore.
>>69979725
whats this?
>>69984062
Little Marco Rubio repeated they same phrase 3 times in a debate and Mr.Christie called him out on it. Since he repeated the same phrase over and over he kind of sounded like a robot therefore Rubio->Rubot
Dean was a good governor. They destroyed him because he was anti free trade.
>>69976567
copied from jewtube comment
Everyone makes mistakes, it's how you carry it off that matters.
If you kinda make a tit out of yourself you just have to barrel through as if you don't give a fuck. That's what Trump does and every time the media tries to pin him down on something it just glides off like water off a ducks back.
All these losers whose runs were ended by single silly mistakes, like Dean, lost because they let the media do this to them. They backed down. It's just like every pussy who says something off colour and then immediately apologises and grovels when the media calls them out on it... Does it save them? NO! It makes it ten times worse because these vermin feed on weakness.
Dean should have doubled down and made that scream his signature. He should have done it at every fucking rally, on every media performance. That soundbite should have been his campaign. He should have owned it. Instead he let the media bullies get to him and it was over.
Take this into consideration. The next time someone makes fun of you or demands an apology for something you've said, do or say it again and again and again. As soon as you capitulate in any way you've lost and you've validated their bullshit.
>>69985266
>Take this into consideration. The next time someone makes fun of you or demands an apology for something you've said, do or say it again and again and again. As soon as you capitulate in any way you've lost and you've validated their bullshit.
This is generally good advise for minor gaffes like the Dean Scream, but I'd be wary of telling the autists here to double down on any social faux pass.
Actually, nevermind; That'd be hilarious.
>>69976093
the ytmnd memes sealed the deal
http://deanfighters.ytmnd.com/
>>69988449
That ytmnd logo always reminded me so much of the Canadian flag.
Ace meme though, it's good.
Holy shit I remember that. Cringe worthy
>>69989135
Yeah. Max left it in ~08 to dev for 4chad though. I wonder if he still works on this site.
