Do you think that its possible for countries such as Russia or the United States to have illegal black sites in other countries? Such as the US setting up sites in large barren areas like northern Siberia. Or Russia setting up nuclear bases in rural north Canada? It might sound stupid but i'm drunk and intrigued.
>>69973436
No there is no such place
>>69973436
Nuclear, no.
Spooky places? Yes.
>>69973532
It's true ya know.
>>69973436
They're called embassies.
>>69973436
That never happens. Please don't think about it again.
>>69973436
What, like Guantanamo bay?
>>69973436
Most likely US has black sites in Ukraine or Georgia, while Russia certainly has more presence on Cuba when it tells.
>>69973436
Im sure we have secret bases in lesser countries that those countries don't know about but i'm sure Russia would know if we were doing shit like that in their territory.
>>69973532
>youll never get tortured by a tsundere cia operative
>>69973670
There are no USA black sites in the Ukraine or Georgia.
>>69973436
Super secret military base in Coronado California.
Shhh it's not on google images.
>>69973532
>Its just rumors
>I know for a fact
Not even a quality shitpost mate
>>69973563
Pine Gap is real, but that torture story is bullshit.
>>69973645
No, even darker more secret sites
>>69973736
USAF has like a few dozen minute man II missles in CO.
Get me some real news.
>>69973563
There is no such thing as Pine Gap, Or the PRISM project.
>>69973436
I've recently read a material how US has an automated program analyzing cell phone locations and calls to determine the guilty and sanction the drone strikes in Pakistan. You take a bus with somebody suspicious, dine in the wrong restaurant and use inappropriate words in a conversation? Look out for a tireless killer in the sky. The thing killed several thousands civies, even an Al-Jazeera reporter who the NSA bragged was a terrorist commander.
>>69973911
That is impossible. I seriously doubt that happens. Not to mention it would be illegal. The government doesn't do anything illegal.
>>69973436
pic looks like some particle physics collision detector setup place
>>69973532
Sounds like someones femdom fun time.
>>69973728
Yeah right, the NATO equipment pops out of thin air and local soldiers learn to use it looking shut up in the internet. During 2008 and 2014 we found sites, equipment, documents.
>>69973712
yandere, senpai
>>69973990
>bait or gubmint shill.
>>69973436
...why did you use a picture of the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory?
Don't tell me you're the same fuckwit who always posts the Ice Cube Neutrino detector...
>>69974032
Those findings are lies created by communism. There is no NATO involvement in the Ukraine.
>>69973911
>>69973990
You read the Drone Papers too, I presume?
https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/
>>69974123
No i just googled black sites. Picture looks cool
>>69974021
She IS a qt
>>69974097
or sarcasm
>>69974168
Yeah right dipshit
>>69973802
I uh, got bad news for you. Look up the CIA torture queen.
>>69974404
She sounds like a good time.
>>69974244
I did. The concept of Drone warfare is unsettling
>>69974448
>>69974168
>>69973990
confirmed bait
Although I do meet Ol'gino career trolls who post retardation like this for a paycheck. How does it feel to do someone's job for free?
>>69974404
>waterboarding
>effective interrogation
American torture education. Remove teeth and bath fingers in acid while attaching a heater to anus, WHEN WE'LL TALK. I bet any schoolboy in Russia could come up to better torture that leaves no mark than that. Can share some torture techniques from Russian agencies familia.
>>69974587
Informing the world about the USA's misconceptions is everyones job.
>>69973609
>>69973728
>>69973906
>>69973990
>>69974168
Applicable.
>>69973436
Have you or anyone else used Google Earth to find the "blacked out" or blurred sites? There are few worldwide where there are secretive places. Oddly, Area 51 isn't. It just has low quality images.
>>69974587
pretty sure its just sarcasm he's affecting.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/11/07/right-beneath-your-feet-the-hidden-reality-of-deep-underground-military-bases/
>>69973436
Of course black sites exist. I think I may live near one on us soil actually. I live near some land used for military purposes, so seeing military vehicles isn't uncommon. I have been seeing strange unmarked convoys for about a year now though. At least once a week, I see a convoy of two regular looking pickup trucks, one regular unmarked panel van, followed by a u-haul looking truck, but with no markings, followed by two more regular looking pickup trucks. They all have blacked out windows. They haul ass down the blacktop and don't slow down at all when they hit the shitty dirt road that is the start of the military land by my house. Its all tore up and washboarded. I've thought of trying to make them stop and get out somehow, but I don't want to be black bagged.
>>69974725
Yes but I'm not so sure as to how applicable those sites are
>>69974643
>Can share some torture techniques from Russian agencies familia.
this unnecessary suspense is torture. just tell us
>>69974643
Do tell
>>69974643
The United States does not partake in torture.
>>69974880
It's probably just a routine supply delivery. I doubt it's anything more.
>>69975084
>The United States does not partake in torture.
your shitposting says otherwise
>>69975005
There is a local favourite called elephant. Unlike usual markless beating which I am sure you know targets fingers, knees, back of the head and kidneys this one is both cruel and imaginative. A gas mask without filter is attached slowly suffocating the victim. Once the poor fuck desperately needs air, a tear gas can is attached to the gas mask hose. The first breath is going to be deep and regretful, and the torturers are sure to leave the mask on while their prey pukes and cries. Startingly effective even on jaded criminals and die hard jihadists this one.
>>69973436
Black sites yeah. It's already been proven CIA had sites in Lithuania.
But covert nuclear bases? I doubt it. At least not in enemy territory.
>>69974643
нeт вpeмя cлoник, ивaн.
>>69975365
Project iceworm
>>69975237
Why wouldn't the giant obviously military vehicle convoys do that? Those are going in and out on practically every day. I've seen tankers and flat bed big trucks hauling stuff. The odd convoys drive like you would if you were hauling sensitive material or persons. Haul ass, don't stop or slow down for anything.
>>69974643
Yeah, we allegedly don't torture. That was what was known. Though she gets wet with torturing people evidently.
>>69974880
CIA safehouse delivering people or food desu senpai.
>>69975360
Lol our gas masks aren't from the 30's so we can't do that :(
Do go on.
>>69975566
They are probably on the road for a long time and in a hurry to get back to base and relax. They are human after all.
>>69973436
there are hundreds of black sites that the US has in europe and remote countries
you can almost count on every US embassy having some kind of underground clandestine partition.
>>69975360
cool. more
>>69975753
United States embassies are only there to support citizens abroad.
>>69974643
waterboarding is simply enhanced interrogation, and it does work
you animals make people want to die rather than give up info
>>69975861
Torture is torture, no matter how you name it. Fucking burger.
>>69975718
Its not a base. The land is used for training and other parts are a bombing range. Pretty cool watching them test bombs sometimes. The bombing range portion is further away though. The training area can get pretty lit up at night. Almost like they have a secret city back there. I honestly don't know, but something seems fucky.
>>69975861
>weapons grade autism
If it helps, the area I've been talking about is somewhat near the mexican border.
>>69976070
Maybe. But I'm sure there is at least a place to stop, rest, and use a restroom. I doubt they can stop many places when carrying military supplies. I'm sure it's nothing shady.
>>69973436
>is it possible?
you must be pretty blue-pilled anon
countries have a range of systems to establish "black sites" (stupid liberal phrasology, but anyway)
1. combined operating facilities
generally the facility is technically owned by another country, and the US co-operates with them on site
this can mean another country lets the US alphabet agencies do the diry work for heir regime, or the US letting some shitty third world army do it
often unofficial prisoner exchanges are involved, identities of prisoners are changed in handover so one party can claim ignorance
2. old school black sites
"no it's just a radio station"
3. overseas operating bases
there are hundreds of them doing all kind of work some like guantanimo are well known
there are also tons in poland and romania that do some really nasty things
europe has a slew as well, but think most are combined operations with euro agencies
4. naval interrogation facilities
US warships have frequently been used, carriers mainly I think
5. I am sure there are literal underground facilities all over the world, probably most were built in the cold war to house coms equipment
>>69973436
No definitely not possible, black sites have definitely never been mentioned by government officials, don't believe your lying ears goy.
>>69975861
i duno. i'd probably want to die if i was being waterboarded. i've seen a few people try it and they couldnt last more than 10 seconds. not having an out and not knowing when it was going to end would probably make most people want to die.
>>69973436
You'd have to be especially retarded to think any of that would be viable. Back to /x/ with you
I hear a rumour about whole underground city.
Who knows what shit happen there.
It could be some experiments or just rich fucks playground.
Considering that gov can probably clone or just grow people they don't even need toys from outside.
I prefer not think about it.
>>69974860
Good read, thanks for sharing anon
>>69976057
Waterboarding is completely harmless in the long term compared to more intensive forms of information extraction, therefore it does not constitute as torture.
>>69973436
Sure, but mostly intelligence sites.
But they mostly have them in country, it's much less dangerous.
You don't need Cuba any more with the current ICBM subs.
>>69976526
I'm glad that doesn't exist in the United States of America. We are much more civilized here, and it would be very hard to conceal a location like that.
>>69973436
Russia has one in Antarctica... but it's top secret... I only know because I'm an environmental scientist that has lived in Antarctica a month out of every year for many years.
>>69976290
Can stop pretty much anywhere. Wide open desert pretty much everywhere. I think I should just set up cameras to record the activity. You're probably right, and the simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation. Just seems really unusual to me.
>>69975770
>>69975861
>>69975662
>>69975014
There are all sorts of shit involving tear gas. Second most popular accessories are of course simple cuffs. Using some cuffs you can do Lastochka which involves some Olympics tier gymnastics and excruciating pain at your wrists and hands, which is further amplified by repeated smashing of cuffs with a book biting deep into your flesh. The combination of pain, humiliation and defenseless state make this even more effective. Then of course you can us the wet straight jacket on a person, parade them through cold and then throw a heater. Guaranteed self defecation in addition to cold.
>>69976569
>Waterboarding is completely harmless in the long term compared to more intensive forms of information extraction, therefore it does not constitute as torture.
That's funny because when japs did it to their yankee pows you said it was a war crime. I guess americans were just pussies back then.
>>69976569
>Waterboarding is completely harmless in the long term compared to more intensive forms of information extraction, therefore it does not constitute as torture.
That's funny because when japs did it to their american p.o.w.s US said it was a war crime. Americans back then were pussies i guess.
>>69974349
that really her?
>>69976732
>>69976841
That didn't happen.
>>69976906
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html
Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials. Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.
In this case from the tribunal's records, the victim was a prisoner in the Japanese-occupied Dutch East Indies:
A towel was fixed under the chin and down over the face. Then many buckets of water were poured into the towel so that the water gradually reached the mouth and rising further eventually also the nostrils, which resulted in his becoming unconscious and collapsing like a person drowned. This procedure was sometimes repeated 5-6 times in succession
>>69976409
I got waterboarded once for a sex thing. It was kinda fun.
but getting blown also helped.
>>69976726
Damn russia, you guys are scary. Keep going.
We just use the Nazi technique of being a good guy interrogator.
works p good desu senpai.
>>69976841
Lol that didn't happen mang.
>>69977326
>I got waterboarded once for a sex thing. It was kinda fun.
>but getting blown also helped.
go on...
>>69977326
>Damn russia, you guys are scary. Keep going.
When I was in law school our criminology teacher told us to never torture suspects for confession, they'll deny it in court anyway. Torture them to tel you where the bodies/weapons/stolen stuff he said, that is good enough, nobody will question how you got the info. That was totally official.
>>69977326
Nothing to see here http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/waterboarding-torture-japan-world-war-ii
>>69978042
Can you tell me about some forms of torture and interrogation techniques used by the russians?
I have read somewhere (not sure if true) that your special forces are playing "dentist" with prisioners.
>>69977909
It was fun, that's about all. Try it some time.
>>69978042
We practice the befriending someone tactic.
>>69978738
>mother jones
>Thinking that we didn't lump waterboarding in with all the actual warcrimes those fucks committed.
matttttttteeeeeeeeeeeee
>>69978991
Go ahead and pay some friends to waterboard you over and over and then post your experience.
Or just look up videos from people who actually did that.
But of course America is free of sin and everything they do is for the greater good of the empire.
The moment some else does it to your soldiers you scream warcrime.
I really hate neckbeards like you who phantasize about warfare.
>>69978910
You can read about all kinds of scary shit. But basically it should not leave any marks on suspect's body.
Like elephant - when you put a gas mask on a guy and block the air flow. Or you can take a sock, fill it with sand and beat the guy, it leaves no marks apparently but hurts like hell for a long time.
>>69979238
>Go ahead and pay some friends to waterboard you over and over and then post your experience.
>Or just look up videos from people who actually did that.
Did you not see above where I've had it done to me during some freaky sex times?
And no, unit 471 made us scream warcrimes.
>I really hate neckbeards like you who phantasize about warfare.
Didn't have to. I got to play in the sandbox.
>>69979336
Thanks russia bro.
We use phonebooks for that
>>69973436
I'm pretty sure LIGO is a rather public science project.
>>69974015
Laser interferometer. It's used for gravity wave detection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIGO
>>69979336
Thank you for the answer.
Does it even make sense to try resisting to torture?
Because I can not imagine how someone is not going to break after repreating those acts on them over and over and over.
The other question would be, how to they interrigators varify that the intel is legit ?
>>69979570
I am sure the CIA is using waterboarding so they can suck of all those islamists.
Because the feeling of drowning is just the right stimulation needed for getting an erection.
By sandbox you mean the basement of your parents?
>>69979874
>Because the feeling of drowning is just the right stimulation needed for getting an erection.
I mean, it helps, don't it.
>By sandbox you mean the basement of your parents?
Actually no, I got to go play across the road in the park. They had a bigger place. And goats to fuck.
Upset that a refugee stole your GF, hans? Who shat in your oatmeal this morning.
>>69976861
yes (promise)
>>69979646
>Does it even make sense to try resisting to torture?
Well the cops might get tired and believe you. But if we get tired we can just call another squad to continue, hehehe. It can go for days if necessary.
>>69979570
I heard that US interogation tactics were poor at best, mostly just snake oil science passed down from one person to the next, and made up on the spot
I hear that isolation makes subjects unworkable quickly, because social cues don't affect them after a while, sure there is that "they will talk to the interrogator because they have nobody else to talk to" doctrine, but in the long term they alcimatise to captivity and loose all workable emotions, they stop acring about their families, their country, their comrades, you would end up with shells of people
sleep deprivation turns people into nervous wrecks, it makes them hate you, confuses them, and sends them literally mad
they wouldn't be a reliable source of intel anymore
waterboarding is just torture like any other, it's just less likely to kill them.
is it effective?
probably to some extent, but the more you torture someone the less afraid they would be of the torture, or they would go into panic cyles and be totally hysterical
I think the US tortures people who don't know much to begin with, and does it in a way that they can't trust what little they do get back
furthermore the knowledge of these techniques hardens resistance against the US, is a major tool for terrorist recruiters, and encourages enemies to fight to the death who would otherwise probably surrender or just disperse into the civilian population
also the worse the US treats captives, be assured the same courtesy will be extended to captures US troops, breaking the rules of war is a betrayal of serving troops for this reason
and then there is the issue with what you do with them afterwards
locking them up forever is pointless and costly, and creates an ongoing PR headache
killing them discreetly is probably th best logistical option, but carries massive PR risks
releasing them becomes a non-option, they would become folk heroes of terrorists and would kindle anti-US sentiment wherever they went.
>tl;dr advanced intergaion is bad
>>69973436
Dummy firms all over the globe from different countries producing some shit and on the other hand spying the country or influence it indirectly.
>>69974511
Post more of this obviously fake but nonetheless arousing stuff
sometimes i imagine that if thousands of people just marched straight up to area 51 to bypass the security gates and get inside, huge turrets would just pop up from the ground and zap everybody with lasers
>>69973728
-t. obama
>>69981659
100% agreed.
I don't know if we only use enhanced interrogation shit with combative hard cases, or whatnot.
We've known for a very long while the best interrogation technique with normal human beings is to befriend them and casually ask shit.
http://www.psmag.com/health-and-behavior/nazi-interrogator-revealed-value-kindness-84747
>>69981894
Google it. It's not fake. Sorry man.
>>69982080
Why would you apologize over that? That makes it even hotter. Not that I believe you or anything.
So do you guys know about that CIA shit, where they bring in some woman they only call Boss, i read it somewhere, can't find it anymore.
>>69982696
That was a game you idiot
>>69982763
Nope.
It was something in iraq.
>>69973436
Absolutely possible, but they are unlikely to be recognizable as a military base in the sense we are used to thinking of the term. You wont be flying aircraft in and out of it, or running convoys.
cool another /x/ tier rp thread
>>69983027
/x/ is a slow fucking board filled with threads about tarot card reading and people pretending to be vampires. When someone makes a spooky thread on /x/ it doesn't get any replies, so they come to the next closest board.
>>69983027
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_site
>/x/ tier
>>69976711
Dude fucking retard post next time youre there so i can add to my rare flag collection
>>69973436
>Do you think that its possible for countries such as Russia or the United States to have illegal black sites in other countries?
Yes. They are disguised or totally underground. Remote locations, while being excellent locations for conducting top secret operations, are a logistics problem for shipping and receiving supplies, documents, or research data though. While plausible, it's not very likely.
>>69983728
>>69976711
Did they lay deep sea cables or are they dependant on satellites for an internet connection?
>>69973436
there was a big shitstorm a few years ago when somebody discovered a secret CIA interrogation base in poland and informed the media. I don't remember if our government knew about them, though
>>69982696
I vaguely recall some shit about women being used to throw out the muslims.
Like they're expecting LT Badass and get a tiny little psycho with alot to prove.
>>69984031
They use satellites, I think the ships that lay deep cables have problems in Antarctic waters. That and since the continent is only inhabited by approximately 500 people a year the money funding deep sea cables is just too much.
>>69984152
there were a heap in poland
the government claimed they didn't know what the americans were doing, but then never asked the americans and they wern't in poland trying the pirogi
>>69984782
knowing our government at the time, they probably knew everything and pretended to be stupid because they got a lot of $$$ for that. then again, who the fuck knows. I wonder how many of those bases are still operational here
>>69973436
As the US have set up black sites in the middle of a heavy populated city without public noticing I'd say its more than feasible.
>>69984952
probably
at the end of the day the bases were probably for removing kebab, and since the polish didn't operate them they maintained deniability
>>69974244
Oh gee bleeding heart liberal bullshit.
>>69977288
Doing it to a few hundred people compared to doing it to a few hundred thousand...
I know we got a few here, people talk about pine gap but that's acknowledged by the govt, hardly black site material. I've heard tell from a bloke i met playin warhammer 40k of all things, used to be a trooper stationed there in 2003. Way east out Queensland way near Nebo.
Was nothing more than a radar dome, barracks and mess, supposedly a relay station for some ECHELON stuff, but in this day and age its all through satellites, he got a bit suss and realized no one ever went into the dome, no techies, no spanners, nothing.
Small station. No more than 10 blokes, most of 'em yanks, aussies rotated every two weeks back to canungra, after he realized no one was using the radome, but it was fort knox in the middle of nowhere (relative to its size and supposed purpose), he asked a few who were scheduled to leave what went on there, why no one stayed stationed there for very long ect. Got told to stop asking and just enjoy not being stuck in canungra with everyone else
The last night of a guys 2 week stay he told him at 0400 on thursday of my mates second week a yank 'resupply' would come through, they'd be told it was something that happened every 6 months, but it happened every 3 weeks and he was told by someone who had been there the prior 3 weeks that this supply wagon drove straight past the barracks, straight past the mess, straight up to the radome, stayed for 30 minutes then left.
Sure enough he stayed awake on that thursday and heard that truck at 0400. Claims he hears a thud, some muffled screams and the door to the radome opening and closing.
He asked the yanks about it, they told him it was a resupply that came every 6 months. He asked if what the bloke who had since left said about one coming 3 weeks ago, he was told to keep his mouth shut and forget about this place after he went back to his station.
Now he could have just been fucking with me, but i rekon that radome wasn't a radome. And he rekons he heard someone scream. Seems suspect at best.
