> /pol/ literally cannot refute this
Damn...
>>69969763
2 wrongs don't make a right
consumption for its own sake is not enough
tanstaafl
>>69969763
So, what you're saying is, putting the middle class into massive debt in order to give poor people free money, that money going right into the economy where some multinational corporation takes it and puts it into off shore accounts... are you sure /pol/ can't refute this?
>>69970022
this
>>69969763
>Obscenely obvious troll thread
>>69970022
The dubs never lie
>>69969763
>tax money being spent counts as economic activity
>>69969763
Not working in return for receiving money which is the value of work.
>>69970233
checked mate
>>69969763
they arent making anything. a bridge to nowhere woukd boost gdp too but itd be useless as fuck.
People who dont't pay any taxes have NO right to say what they should be spent on. They should not be able to vote. Liberals cannot refute this.
>>69969763
Nice satire burger bro.
>>69969763
what are drugs
>>69971266
re-checked mates
then i guess we can all just stop working since this works out so well.
>tax money is free
>consumption drives the economy
Wew
>>69969763
>use other peoples hard earned money
>contribute
choose one and only one please
>>69974044
Reeeeeeeee!
>>69974700
Check'd and keke'd
>>69974700
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>>69970022
I am blessed to have been a part of this
>>69969763
Wow way to be retarded, you think that money comes out of thin air to them, holy shit kill yourself
>>69970022
You have a progressive tax. The middle class isn't paying for much of it.
>20% tax throws people into debt
>>69969763
If it goes right back into the economy, why bother giving it to them?
>>69969763
Actually those people are doubly damaging to the economy. There is the cost their welfare incurred by the state, and thusly the citizenry. Then their is their lost labor. Work doesn't exist in a vacuum. It provides either a good or a service that, in some small way, is a benefit to society as a whole. Even communists understood this. They guaranteed jobs, they didn't guarantee lying about being a bum. It was even a crime in the Eastern Bloc called Social Parasitism.
>giving your money to poor people
>They say that the 1% aren't contributing to society, but if anything they're contributing the most.
>You think their millions of dollars a month are going into a vault filled with gold coins or straight under a mattress? No, it's going straight back into the economy because they can't afford not to invest it. That money is being used to buy capital, pay wages.
>Even if all they did was sit on stocks or bonds, they'd still be contributing more economically individually last year than the entire welfare class.
>>69969763
Mexicans receive the most benefits and they send the most money back to Mexico. So yes benefits help the economy just not ours.
In a system where its illegal to not sleep in a house
you need a benefits system
unless you can guarantee everyone 100% employment for life
you get taken to court if you can't afford council tax
you get fined for living in the woods
you get fined hunting without a license
you get removed from in the street
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>>69974900
chickity checked mate
>>69970022
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>>69974700
Haven't seen a chain like this in some time. Kek smiles upon you all.
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>>69975315
MAGA and we'll MEGA
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>>69974700
gotta check those dubs leaf
>>69969763
>le breaking glass theory
>>69973124
I'm not even a liberal and I can refute that. You have rights regardless of your financial circumstances. The government is there to protect your rights, not soak up tax money. So having rights means you have a say in the body that's supposed to be protecting those rights.
>>69974700
alright time to check again
>>69976544
>>69976713
he's right you know
we got dubs
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>>69977799
Holy shit.
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>>69977666
holy fuck what is this madness
>>69969763
Where does the benefits come from?
OH RIGHT, TAXES, hue!
>>69969763
Yes through the power of socialism we shall all become rich. We should also raise the minimum wage to $100/hr to kill poverty once and for all!
>>69977666
Can I take your check sir?
>>69977870
It ends!
>4this guy
Is this a joke? The tax money just goes straight back to them since they got their money free from hard working individuals
>>69977966
>It ends!
No it doesn't.
>>69974937
Noone thinks it's that bad which is why the poor and middle class ideally pay the same tax rates.
>>69977966
>>69970328
Are you retarded? Of course it does.
>>69977666
and again
>>69969763
"contributing the most"
The whole point is based on them being so numerous. They earn little and therefore spend little, and what they earn comes from welfare according to that guy, so they don't even create any value.
Yeah they get the money flowing, but that's very little money per head and that doesn't mean you should give them more and disincentivise work even further.
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>>69978266
i am SO done with this SHIT
>>69978188
austranomics, people
>>69977966
Please don't give me dubs
I beg you
>>69975003
>implying being on government assisted programs means you don't work
>implying welfare doesn't inject otherwise unused money into the economy
>>69975042
>Even if all they did was sit on stocks or bonds, they'd still be contributing more economically individually last year than the entire welfare class
You went full retard there. Sitting on stocks and bonds does nothing for the economy. Investing in the market helps grow the company, but the act of owning shares does no good to anyone
>>69978945
Why would a government or company go to the trouble to issue a bond or stock if it didn't contribute anything?
>>69969763
Yes, if you produce nothing, you contribute the most. This makes sense.
Buying goods and paying tax on thise goods doesn't really mean anything when the benefits money comes from the governments taxes in the first place.
>>69969763
Good point, except in terms of capital and labor they contribute less than than they output. It also leads to the question of decay of work ethic and expectations, but yeah whatever I guess starting a successful and profitable business venture doesn't sound appealing to most other people
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>>69978824
>unused money
Don't tax people too much and THEY decide how to allocate money. But I guess personal freedom is over rated
>>69978945
Pants on head retarded
Why offer the product if there's no benefit?
>>69969763
At best they are breaking even.
The working folks, put taxes in, the slackers, take taxes out. Through buying goods to survive, they are putting the money back in.
Although, given that supply and demand is a thing. They are raising the costs of basic goods by consuming that which a working man could be consuming.
>>69969763
Except for all the drugs, illegal gambling, black market purchases, ... that poor people tend to get involved in.
>>69977966
phwew
>>69979955
The ride never ends
>till now
Sorry OP for hijacking your shit
>>69969763
this guy is right!
how do I get an offshore account?
>>69969763
Government pays 500 bucks welfare, gets 90 back via sales tax. What a math genius this is definitely great
>>69974937
>20%
And if you believe that, you're clinically retarded.
>>69979951
Not to forget that turks in germany often send money back to their family
>>69978945
Money does not "sit" on stocks and bonds. They are the capital used either directly (a bond is a loan to a company) or indirectly (stock price reflects asset values that are leveraged to secure favorable terms for loans from financial institutions and secure financing through other sources), all of which goes into the operations of the business at hand. Invested money is put to use, it doesn't "sit" at all.
>>69981023
>Implying government = economy
Take an English class big bro
What about the shitskins on welfare who send part of the payment back to their third world relatives?
>>69971106
Which is immensely satisfying when its a fair return.
But be fucked if i'm going to be happy busting my ass in shit conditions for ten hours, getting paid for eight of them, and earn under $500 a week while there's people who work seriously low energy 'management' roles and earn seven figures a year and pay less tax than I do.
>>69969763
I'm on welfare and for 2 years I did nothing but use that money to smoke weed, buy fast food from big corporations and save whatever was left over. Now I just save most of it while giving the rest to big corporations.
>>69969763
>spending equates to production
Why are leftists so bad at economics?
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>>69977666
Kek be praised
If you follow this guys logic, Amazon employs thousands of middle class people who in turn put their money into the economy.
>>69977666
! Sanders will be president 2016
> /pol/ literally cannot refute this
fuck you and your misuse of 'literally'. it is a term used for disambiguation, not emphasis.
by the way... those parasites are not introducing anything into the system. they are only taking. if everyone did that, we'd be completely FUCKED.
