>Modern art
>>69968674
YOU WANT ART MATE?
HERES SOME VERY CUTTING EDGE ART, QUITE POTENTIALLY THE EDGIEST ART THAT EXISTS TODAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rg8innCuN4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwypeJzAkE
entartete kunst
>>69968674
Thats actually pretty cool
>>69968674
https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
Cultural Marxism strikes again.
>>69968674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY
>>69968809
I don't get why people get so angry about art.
I like the OP's pic, I don't like that Interior Semiotics videos, I think the monkey thing is funny, and I haven't looked into or thought about the meaning to Manzoni's "Artist's Shit" enough to have any sort of opinion on it, other than guessing it's meant to be taken humorously.
But none of that matters, because it's just my opinion and even if we take my opinion as correct, who cares? I don't get why fags like apples so much, but I don't get angry that people are buying so many apples and shit when other fruit is so clearly superior.
>>69968674
painted by a gay, junkie dindu - what did you expect? and yes, contemporary art is fucked
>>69970334
art, music, and film used to be respectable art forms
then the jews came into the picture
>>69968674
Basquiat?
>>69970334
>angry
ITS ANUDDA TOOKAY
>>69970420
oui
>>69968674
>not linking this
>>69969899
Thats more like a time capsule than an """"'"''"''''''''"'art"""""""""""""""""
>>69970334
I think it frustrates people because they see someone making a killing essentially producing nothing
Where as your average dude has to work his ass off doing something productive to make a living
>>69970572
>liberal hugbox.webm
>>69970572
where's the one with the bitch who likes to splosh and is trying to say her fetish is art?
you know the one
£20,000 please.
>>69970612
lol
>>69970000
Hitler did just kind of copy a lot of postcards he saw.
>>69968674
Is that a dead-dindu.jpg?
Oy Vey, so diverse.
>>69970334
Read some books (serious suggestion)
>>69970420
HACKSQUIAT
>>69970646
95% of artist make almost nothing for their work though, 3% make an okay living. The other 2% are your Warhols, Harings, and Calders.
t. Art Dealer
This is the richest artist in the UK. Damien Hirst. LOL.
>>69969865
This reminds me of the Sokal paper.
>>69968674
Buying and selling modern art is just money laundering. Everyone knows this.
Would you like to buy my art piece, sir? That will be £44,000
>>69971388
>>69971481
I fucking despise the YBA, oh SHIT
>Not realizing that ALL modern art is made for money laundering purposes or spending-masturbation by rich people
If you're into aesthetics you can get "modern" paintings for fairly low prices. The people you see spending a million dollars for a white canvas with two blue stripes on it are just washing their money or else making a public statement of how much money they can afford to waste.
>>69970334
>I don't get why people get so angry about art.
Philistines have no artistic sensibility and don't really have the capacity to think laterally when approaching art.
Because of this they resent or mistrust creative abstraction in general.
This post will trigger a few of them. Watch.
>>69971381
I am sure that is true but from the outside looking in it appears these people are making fortunes for creating trash
>>69971620
I agree with you but
>if you disagree with me then it means I'm right
is a cheap argument
>Flag
Oh wait
>>69968674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7ez-gIt08I
Modern art you say?
>>69968674
>Basquiat
I like a lot of modern art, but Basquiat is garbage. He never would've gotten a second look if he wasn't black. He was like the token pet negro that they paraded around as some kind of genius.
>>69971620
nice shitpost, joey
>>69971620
Asians aren't shitty drivers on purpose
>>69970646
I guess, but it doesn't really bother me any more than someone winning the lottery, which is to say not at all. Not to mention that, while there's undoubtedly lots of merit to highly technically skilled works of art, I'm happy that the culture has shifted to allow in works that obviously don't require the same skill (like OP's pic), but have similar aesthetic value (in my eyes). Same with music, which now allows for compositions like Riley's "In C", which is an improvisational work that Riley might not have had to put as much effort into as, say, Mozart might have put into a piece (though, Mozart is alleged to have played a game where you use a dice or random number to make music with, but I imagine this indeterminancy didn't play a big role in his works), but it remains one of my favorite pieces of music I've ever heard (at least, the recording I have of it is) and most any time I go for a long drive I listen to it.
I'm by no means a connoisseur, or art-guy or whatever when it comes to paintings, so I don't know really much about the ones where they're all like a single color, but I can say that a museum I visited had a very large painting that was similar throughout. Apparently the artist used to work with spraypaint at his job or something like that, and because of that when he started using paint for fun instead of work, he employed spraypaint in his art a lot or something. Anyway, it was completely abstract and similar to those one-colour paintings, but it was really enjoyable to look at and sort of, like, move forward and away from, seeing it at different angles and distances. I can't explain why I liked it, but it was a good aesthetic experience for me, and so I'm glad that he made it. It felt like being in the painting would have been like being trapped in an orange mist with sunset all around you.
>>69971310
>>69971310
I just started Mont-Saint-Michel and Chartres by Adams (though, his historical views are apparently less than accurate, supposedly the book is interesting more as a portal into his mind. That's what I got from the intro, anyway. We'll see), but I guess you mean about painted art rather than architecture. I'd like to read some books on art. Suggest some.
/pol/ hates art because 90% of this board are very bitter STEMfags who've never experienced true love and the other 10% are weird middle american survival woodsmen who are naturally averse to abstract anything
I doubt /pol/ would read Finnegans Wake (if anyone here reads at all)
And no, before you call me a cuck, leftists are just as illiterate if not even more entrapped within social media
>>69971620
"hurr durr if you don't like this piece of crap you are clearly dumb and I have superior intelligence"
Might as well be a monkey flinging shit.
>>69972109
You are clearly of superior intelligence for admiring this.
>>69972109
pol loves art - just not the contemporary, conceptual shit ...
>>69971908
>the truth is triggering me please stop
Obviously there are financial and cultural rackets going on in the art world; as there are in every major field in society.
But those people who write off modern art as a whole do so out of wounded philistine pride over their continual struggles with it: they might be bright in other areas of thought but they are sorry dipshits in this one.
Please no feel trigger I don wan no trubble.
>>69972109
>>69971947
>>69971678
>>69971620
>>69970334
This is you.
>>69971200
Gay niggers from outer space?
>>69971620
I have a high aesthetic sensibility. I write music and have composed stories and poetry. I'm not gifted in a visual arts sense, but I respond to artistic technique and most modern visual art has no technical value and is basically 99% shit. Same is true of a lot of modern music and literature, but the visual arts really is a haven for no talent hacks and philistines parading around as artists and sticking their nose in the trough of the public purse like the parasites they are
>>69972398
>Obviously there are financial and cultural rackets going on in the art world; as there are in every major field in society.
Well yeah, that is what I am criticizing you kangaroo.
Most of the world of modern art is a confidence trick, with high monetary rewards.
And the majority of people who buy into modern art are insecure about their intelligence so delude themselves into admiring it to feel intelligent and superior to people who dislike it.
>>69972416
And the CIA funded modern art as a cultural proxy war against the reds way back when. I've heard it all before. This doesn't discount all resonance therein.
You're still an aesthetically-challenged dunce.
>>69971947
Mozart is infinitely superior to Terry Riley, just as Bach is infinitely superior to Rihanna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LOUvMMjM_w
Or John Cage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HypmW4Yd7SY
>>69972398
it's not that black and white, bro - some people have long educations and careers in the field, and they've seen behind the curtain... they recognize how hollow and insincere it CAN be - and become adept at spotting frauds, so they get triggered when these people receive fawning special snowflake adoration for something they accidentally did on the bus earlier that morning
it's like perpetually bluffing in poker, but having no idea how the game works
that's the reason why people flip out - it's not over contemporary art as a whole, by default
>>69972109
No. Not a fair analogy at all. Joyce is a great artist with a great technique, even though his work is difficult and abstruse and obscene at times, also probably there are somewhat meaningless passages here and there (as with a lot of symbolist poets) because to the artist at the time, these words or phrases sounded mystical or significant or poetic. To compare these great works with shit in a can or dead cow is really perverse
>>69972398
>Subhumans will always defend the subhuman
>>69972686
>You're still an aesthetically-challenged dunce.
And you are insecure about your intelligence so you have to delude yourself into admiring absolute rubbish to feel superior to others.
>>69972702
And when you get off your fucking high horse and actually choose to learn, you'll realise classical and baroque music aren't the pinnacles of the "classical (what plebs like you use to categorise renaissance-orchestral modernist music)" music, and that the late romantics were - Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev, and Kats-Chernin
Fuck you
>>69972686
prob iq 90-100, admiring rubbish doesn't make you intelligent
>>69969865
I'd buy a chimp painting to be honest. Would be a good conversation piece.
>hey what's with that painting
>oh a chimp painted it and I bought it because of that
That would be the conversation.
>>69972597
>but the visual arts really is a haven for no talent hacks and philistines parading around as artists and sticking their nose in the trough of the public purse like the parasites they are
Most avenues in life are havens for hacks and philistines. My gripe is with the willfully ignorant who take up this absolutist notion that it's all nonsense when they never actually bother to seriously set aside their misgivings and try to understand.
They want to feel vindicated in their intellectual laziness. Brass tacks truth.
>>69971473
>>69971610
These
>>69970959
And a lot of artists copy landscapes by looking at them.
>>69973084
>Most avenues in life are havens for hacks and philistines.
No, excluding the government sector, the vast majority of careers are meritocracies. You have no excuse.
>>69972416
Can I be the monkey, instead?
>>69972114
Can't speak for him, but maybe it's less about not liking something than it is the negative outward response you have when you don't like these things.
In any case, I think the thing you posted looks alright. I'm not a big Pollock fan, but I do really like "Blue Poles". Just really nice looking, I think. I'd love to see it in person.
>>69972702
A fact I really like about 4'33" is that it is exactly 273 seconds long, because -273 is absolute zero in Celsius (though, perhaps he should have used Kelvin and killed two birds with one stone by making a silent piece that's 0 seconds long). Anyway, I disagree.
I'm gonna go to sleep now, since it's late. Will check this thread when I wake up to see if that guy gave me any book recs.
>>69972969
Haha Kats-Chernin? You've got to be fucking kidding me Bruce. She's pretty well nothing. I love Rachmaninov and Prokofiev, but there is no way in creation that a Rachmaninov concerto is on the same level as a Bach Passion or a Beethoven symphony. Still, Rachmaninov and Prokofiev were major artists, who wrote in traditional forms. Prokofiev was considered a radical at first (he was) but he mellowed. Even still, I wouldn't compare John Cage or the most ugly Schoenberg followers with them. For one thing, Rachmaninov and Prokofiev wrote hundreds of good tunes. Even Kats-Chernin, who is a poor man's version of late romanticism, attempts to write tunes. She isn't modernist in any way.
Try for really great Australian composers, Richard Meale and Arthur Benjamin. Or even Percy Grainger, Alfred Hill, Raymond Hanson, or Roy Agnew, Some of them are a little 'modernist' in approach. Actually I like modernist composers. Once you reach the post-modernist stuff though, be ready to turn off.
>>69972892
>And you are insecure about your intelligence so you have to delude yourself into admiring absolute rubbish to feel superior to others.
lol?
>>69972398
>they might be bright in other areas of thought
Even when I was being critical I still made it a point to state that anon might be bright in other fields. How many anon on /pol/ ever do that? Seriously. Don't try to paint me as someone I'm not because this is all hitting a little too close to home.
>>69972993
Would buy one myself just to have a piece of anti-cultural Marxist/relativist history tbqh desu
>>69972993
lmao
>>69973278
>>69972892
>And you are insecure about your intelligence so you have to delude yourself into admiring absolute rubbish to feel superior to others.
this statement really resonates with me, I'm just like this, with everything.
>>69973084
I have seen, heard and read a great deal of 20th century artistic works. 1000s if not tens of thousands. I can cope with Picasso or Messiaen, Dali and Shotakovitch. But when you shove Damien Hirst in my face I become simultaneously angry and giggly
>>69973306
That too.
It might also be cool to collect art done by various animals like crows and elephants.
>>69973236
>negative outward response you have when you don't like these things.
My negative outward response is directed at people who try to play the confidence trick with modern art to seem superior. These people are contemptible. Probably have average IQ's at best.
Is this art by Mikey Welsh from Weezer?
>>69973137
Frankly, that isn't too bad in a sort of fauve art deco sense
I admire Byzantine art. That isn't photorealistic in any sense
>>69973278
>lol?
Well you failed that IQ test.
>>69973169
>>69973137
these aren't that bad. they are far superior than the abstract cancer.
>>69973236
I like something because it is 273 seconds long
What was the current year then?
>>69973278
I think its hitting a little too close for you anon
Could you possibly be a Balmain basket weaver?
>>69973481
photorealistic art is also shit.
>>69973560
not really my style but it's better than photorealistic art
>>69968674
these dubs are modern art faggot
>>69968674
I'm a freelance illustrator. I don't like much of the modern art, but note not all of us do this. We just don't get as much attention. Society favors modern art as highbrow and its what the elites will buy for their private collections. While, illustrators like me are looked down on for lowbrow art and left to do only commercial work.
The public have never 'got' the extreme types of modernist art, although when this started (before WWI, lol) we were assured that Schoenberg would be in time rated as superior to Beethoven, that Picasso would > Rembrandt and Tristan Tzara was the new Shakespeare.
The classical musical stations almost never now play anything written after 1950, (the ones that still exist) and anything later than that tends to be neo-romantic fluff. If visual artists were seperated from the teat of public funding, especially the rubbish ones, the whole arts industry house of cards (and Emperor's New Clothes) would collapse
>>69973660
What's wrong with Klimt? Yes he was a bit degenerate
>>69973830
Scandalous!
ITT hurp durp modern painters can't paint for shit
Yeah right, you all know there are different movements and everything is allowed. Have some modern realism.
>>69973817
THIS
>>69973968
Yeah, moral relativism is good
>>69973864
this one is kind of disgustibg but it's still a good pic. not degenerate at all.
/pol/ opinion on david choe?
I think he is based af, culturally libertarian, alpha, etc etc grew up in a simple strict korean household, completely took control of his own life and said fuck it.
His art is dirty, surreal and gritty. Not degenerate in my opinion, you guys probably wouldn't agree with me.
>>69974007
Always has been the best. Love it.
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH POL
>>69974035
I'm just posting stuff that's "modern" this isn't a degenerate art thread, necessarily
>>69971889
I like the look of some of his work. I don't think there's a lot of meaning in it, but it's cool to look at
>>69973460
>>69973569
Believe me, I never expect any of these art threads on /pol/ to end harmoniously.
The Balmain line was top shelf though.
>>69973968
helwein has been a favourite for like 15 years now
>>69969899
That was a joke against modern art though
>>69968674
>red bone
???
>>69974112
Enjoy your refugees and some nice ficki ficki. Remember to prep the bull
I respect the world of modern art, because they are the only ones that outcuck the jews since they are the only ones who buy that shit.
>it's another "i don't like it nor understand it, so it's stupid and degenerate!" thread
Did you guys know that the Finger Box meme started as a modern art project by a guy who was part of the Fluxus movement in the 1960s. I always thought that was weird, having known quite a bit about Fluxus before ever coming to 4chan. Imagine my surprise, then, when I see this very esoteric and relatively unknown art series all over /b/.
Lena Dunham's father made this
>>69974231
Jesus, I can just move away you when things move in the wrong direction you know? What's with all the drama? Right now, rural Germany is still fine as fuck.
>>69974099
I like it - but I like expressionism in general, so I'm not automatically resistant to his aesthetic
>>69974099
Faggot gook degenerate
Would befriend then beat him up
>>69969752
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnPNr9yquuc
>>69974099
He was smart, and determined. I think it's great he went from how he began to the millionaire he is now. He's very bro-tier too, a friend of mine who's a childhood friend of his is getting his dream project funded with his help. He didn't even ask, he just called him randomly one day offered to do so. And also connected him with some japanese 3D animators and toy company. I wish I could paint sasha grey like he did.
>>69974454
Too blunt
>>69974454
God. Only a liberal cunt would think this is deep.
It is always the same fucking neckbeards obsessed with old art that make these threads.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Fucking ignorants.
>>69974454
The Wall did it better.
>>69974138
I don't expect that everyone will agree with my views. Let's just say that even if possibly I might agree with you on lots of other things, here I disagree with you vehemently.
The original line was one of Paul Keating's :)
>>69972892
Not as good as "The Fragile"
>>69974298
OY HOL UP
>puts thick frame glasses on place
SO U BE SAYIN
>drinks gluten free water
SO U BE SAYIN DAT
>rides monocycle
U BE SAYIN DAT WE BE INTELLIGENT
>stares at white canvas for 5 hours
WE BE INTELLIGENT CUZ WE PRETEND TO UNDERSTAND SHIT DAT DONT MEAN NUTHIN?
SHIEEEEEEEET
>>69974298
>Absolute shit
>There is something to understand
Did you know that India is one big performance art space?
>>69974407
Well, fuck may move to where you are, anon, thank moral relativism also when it comes Hermann
>>69974928
Who the fuck would actually want to look at this? Makes my eyes hurt.
>>69974426
Frickin hilarious
>>69974504
That's fucking awesome, man.
I saw this documentary about him, 'Dirty Hands', introduced me to him in general. Very inspiring.
>>69971889
His stuff is a guilty pleasure of mine, mostly because it was such a fantastic symbol for the general excess of the 80's NYC art market. It's also a throwback to a shitty, edgy, wonderful NYC that just doesn't exist anymore.
I also really dig his aesthetic, but then again I also love Die Antwoord.
>>69974136
Exactly, this.
>>69968975
I hate PC as much as anyone but this info graphic is just dumb. If you actually belive this pls an hero.
>>69974928
This is incredibly neat to look at.
>>69973830
>you will never lick the legbones of your skeleton gf
>>69974983
I only have about 50 more years to live, who cares anyway?
>>69975269
Femur, Estonia
Jesus...
>>69975074
I went to his grave, and it's absolutely covered in stuff - paintbrushes, flowers, little trinkets, candles, notes ... so clearly he still has a huge following who'd agree with you completely, bro!
/pol/ doesn’t know anything about contemporary art. It should stick to loving Hitler and hating black people which is what it does best.
>>69975401
>A leg bone is a bone found in the leg
>>69975459
That's nice. Looks like a grindcore cover
>>69975459
Am I supposed to be seeing something?
>Guy with jew nose killing Mexican looking cops
>a sword for some reason
>Cyrillic
>>69975459
5 seconds to photoshop the skin colour down a notch would fix it
>>69975702
whoops
>>69975466
What's cool right now? I only know about comic books
>>69975611
This is why Estonia has and never will do anything great, you don't even know the name of the largest bine in the body
I hope Russia splits your asshole on its massive cock
>>69975702
Quality art, not degenerate
>>69975742
That most likely won't happen before you cut off your cock and start wearing a dress.
>>69975734
The art world is a pretty broad. There isn’t one central aesthetic, geographical locus, or all encompassing theory. I’m really only in the low brow scene and that’s mostly what I like and look at. I’m pretty indifferent towards conceptual, video and performance, and stuff like that.
>>69975918
If I can ensure your collective ass rape I would do it
>>69976299
Please, after you, miss.
>>69976359
I could be talking to the Estonian with the toothbrush gif but instead I get you.
Bullshit.
>>69976115
you sound like me - cheers, bro! nice to meet you
>>69976501
That's what you get for being a disgusting coonburger
>>69970612
"Cleanup lady threw away US Constitution she mistook for document"
>>69970646
So why don't the frustrated make art?
>>69976501
>>69976520
I always wonder if there are other artists browsing 4chan. I guess the answer is yes. Anyone in particular you like? My favorite was this girl Margaret Kilgallen
>>69976693
You need to suck the right cocks and anuses to make that kind of money
>>69972597
>I have a high aesthetic
>>69976910
Indeed
>>69976586
just...
>>69976898
Which is not the same arguement as 'anyone can do it'....
>>69976815
yeah buddy - I'm deep into the art thing... wow, man - you mean contemporary living artists? to be brutally honest, the huge majority of artists I hold dear have been dead for about 50 or 60 years at least!
most of them were working during the final decades of the 19th century and first couple decades of the 20th century -many awesome Polish painters / in terms of movements, I like French Impressionism and Post Impressionism, German Expressionism, American Realism, Italian Futurism - but going further back, mind also blown by seeing all the Italian Renaissance in person ... Dutch Masters also totally kick ass
a lot of the more recent paintings I've seen lack the grit and grime that was prevalent pre-war / they're typically too sterile or rigid for my taste, or feel kind of rehearsed
so whenever I see something new that doesn't look contrived or overly considered, I'm way into it
I'm talking primarily about painting though, because that's where I focus my attention
>>69976815
but in terms of Low Brow - I'm a big fan of the LA scene + Heavy Metal magazine in the 70s and 80s showcased a lot of really cool work
>>69977536
yes your cock sucking technique needs to be good
>>69968674
The art is an extension of the artist. All of the artist's great struggles and meaningful triumphs are painted onto the canvas, sung into the microphone, strummed, and seen in subtle brow movements. The artist can be seen. So to think that our modern society, and its sick state, would never show through in our art is a laugh.
>>69968674
This pathetic generation is too autistic to learn real skills so they just throw shit at a wall and tell people to look at the deeper meaning.
All the plebs here who cherry pick shit art because they cant find anything better.Its the same as saying music sucks because you only listen to top 40...WHAT A SURPRISE
>>69968733
Mein negger
>Forced to go to art exhibition
>Some shoddy work
>amazing picture of waterfall that looks so detailed and the colours are just right.
>The artists are standing in front of their paintings.
>Nice work dude the colours are so vivid
>Oh thanks you are the first person to actually say something non snobby.
>Look over at number 1 prize winner
>ITS A BLACK LINE
>WITH A DOT
>SELLING FOR HALF A MIL
> Go up to artist.
>you are not really a artist are you? you just drew a bloody line look at that guy who spent days working on a nice picture.
>you dont understand
>people saying how it evokes complex emotion.
>KILL
>ME
>>69973230
This is the shittiest one i have seen in my life.
>>69982922
It's well known that Art sales are fronts for money laundering.
>>69968674
not as bad as random squares tho
breddy funny desu senpai
>>69982922
High prices on modern art is all about tax evasion strategies and money laundering
Nothing to be surprised about
>>69970000
>>69970959
>>69973148
(>implying tracing is bad) but for someone who copies photographs he's really bad at it
Master of Fine Arts and professional artist here.
Ask me anything.
>>69974193
it was real modern art though as well.
>>69985575
Is your post art?
I like lots of contemporary art, like MAtthew Barney for example (pic related)
>>69985848
Yes
>>69985951
>art used to be
the level of delusion is astonishing
Modern "art"
>tfw work for a five art dealer
>current collection in the gallery is primarily contemporary artists
>Pat Steir
>Jasper Johns
>the list goes on
