So the moral of the story is, don't stand up for a white nerdy kid being abused by cheating niggers and be a cuck for the rest of your life?
>>69961064
The morale of the story is that there are people of all races, including your own that will literally fuck you over
>>69961064
They should have kept the original ending where Derek rejoins the neo-Nazi group after that nigger kills his brother.
>>69961064
NUKE EM ALL I SAY
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>>69961064
>OP never saw the extended director's cut where Derek shaves his head at the end and lynches the nigger that killed his brother
Has anyone ever heard this movie come up at a party?
It's fucking hilarious. Just stay silent want watch the shitstorm.
>>69961064
The moral is black people will still kill you if you aren't racist.
>>69961064
Supposedly the ending of the movie was altered. Danny is murdered and Derek is seen in a bathroom mirror shaving his head heralding a return to his skinhead beliefs.
>In the trivia, it is stated that there was an extra scene at the end of the movie where Derek is seen shaving his head again, but the scene was cut because it was deemed 'pro-Nazi'. It is left ambiguous in the film as to whether or not Derek intends to revert to his old ways.
From my estimation the black and white dynamics of neo-nazi vs. black thug were merely a vehicle for the screenwriter to depict the innate nihilism of vengeance as an endless cycle. This can be witnessed in numerous black on black movies in which gang violence is featured. By drawing in a white versus black plot vehicle the screenwriter was able to interest a white audience in the film as most white people are not interested in films depicting black on black violence.
Ultimately, if the original scene was left uncut the film would be more powerful as it illustrates the endless cycle of vengeance. Instead it became boiled down platitudes about turning the other cheek and acceptance of one's original sin as the only way to end inter and intra group violence.
>>69962013
made by jews for christcucks, of course
>>69961391
I always hear about that ending but was it really going to the original or just something fans hoped would happen?
>>69962855
IMDb mentions in some "trivia" that there was a scene in which Derek shaved his head.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120586/faq
>>69962855
Just found this as well:
>Trivia: The ending was originally different. After the scene where Derek is crying over Danny, it cut to Henry being arrested, then his family in the kitchen mourning him and saying he was a good boy, and then Derek shaving his head again while smiling. When Edward Norton read the script, he said "I thought the movie was supposed to be anti-Nazi." So the ending was soon changed.
http://www.moviemistakes.com/main50
>around blacks, never relax
It's pretty obvious desu senpai
This movie was made by a Jewish guy who thought he was going to change the world with it or some shit. There's a segment on him in the book "Them" by John Ronson. Great book, I'd recommend it for anyone here
Great movie if you just turn it off before Derek becomes a douche
>>69963385
>He was a good boy
>He dindu nuffin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCu_wd_bulw
>>69961064
No, the moral is "if you buy into retarded liberal propaganda, you will likely be killed by a hate-fueled negro because no amount of belief in the decency of your fellow man will overcome the fact that subhumans love killing people."
>>69961064
the moral of the story is, you're all in for a sad ending.
>niggers
The moral of the story is that racists are subhumans and you should say as far away from them or they will ruin your life.
>>69963385
>>69963257
>"I thought the movie was supposed to be anti-Nazi."
And I thought the movie was supposed to be pro-reality.
I prefer my movies to have a hard edge, to have realism and grittiness. I like character studies, not thinly veiled social propaganda. If I wanted 'happily ever after' I'd rent a Disney flick with the rest of bovine America. Very disappointed.
>>69963785
Your interpretation makes a helluva lot more sense
>>69963667
>>69963997
Here are some interesting facts that I had not heard regarding this film.
Apparently the movie that we all saw was a horrible abortion of what the screenwriter originally intended. Seeing as this info is coming from IFC it lends more credence to the claims than vaguely worded IMDb or "movie mistakes".
>1. IT’S DIRECTOR TONY KAYE’S DEBUT FILM.
>2. KAYE TRIED TO DISOWN THE FILM.
>5. NORTON WAS ALLEGEDLY CAST WITHOUT KAYE’S APPROVAL.
>11. EDWARD NORTON HELPED WITH THE FILM’S FINAL CUT.
>12. OUTRAGED OVER NORTON’S CUT, KAYE CANCELED THE FILM’S PREMIERE.
>15. KAYE HAS CREATED A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE FILM’S CONTROVERSY.
http://www.ifc.com/2015/05/15-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-american-history-x
So it appears that American History X was originally a very controversial film murdered in its infancy in favor of Jewish-Liberal approved propaganda.
Interesting.
>>69961064
The ending signifies that the cycle of racism always continues.
>abandons fellow whites in prison for doing deals with the Mexicans
> has a black friend in prison
>makes him laugh
>suddenly all the facts he cites about blacks in the dinner scene go out the window
>loves all black people now
>shows his brother the error of his ways
>they both become re blue pilled
>nigger kills his brother in a typical fit of senseless nigger violence
>hate comes back
And he's red pilled again
>>69964453
The director is a jew as well, based jew.
>>69964501
Why does it have to be binary? Why can't he just come to the conclusion that ppl are just shit regardless of race. I mean, did he honestly come out of jail seriously thinking all blacks would be like the one he met in prison. Humans and life is way to complex for a cartoon like world-view.
>>69965049
He came out thinking that maybe they're not all bad. he received a grim reminder of the truth shortly after.
>>69965333
My trips bear witness to my truth
>>69965049
>>69965333
There is no way to know what the original director/writer intended due to Norton rewriting the film. But I think you are on to what is likely the underlying theme.
Derek awoke to his skinhead views out of personal experience and sought out facts to support his own hypothesis (whereas some people seek out contradictory evidence to disprove such beliefs).
Derek then found his beliefs and hypothesis shaken by his prison experiences and finding a personal exception to the rule with his new friend. Derek leaves prison feeling he has now disproved his hypothesis and challenges all of his former friends and their beliefs.
Danny dying leads to the ultimate red-pilling of Derek as he realizes that his liberal position is also untenable in the reality in which we live. Despite the existence of exceptions, his previous racial-realist position serves Derek's experiences and real situation far more than a hopeful liberal one. So Derek would likely fall back to his prior beliefs but with a much more nuanced understanding which would allow him to be a greater leader to his group.
In actuality, Derek shows the personal growth we all strive towards through experience, analysis and synthesis. His original hypothesis is rewritten to take into account his new data.
American History X (if it had been written this way) would be a perfect analogy for what happens when people come to /pol/ and stare too long into the abyss.
>>69961391
I've still never seen any video of that.
Did they burn all the copies of the alternate ending or was it only ever written into the script?
>>69966188
Derek basically learned that even tough there are some good black, you never should relax
>>69967080
Well put Belgium
>>69966188
Why would he go back to those fucking idiots? Why Hitler? Why Aryan race mythology and anti-semitism? Why totalitarianism? The white right is looking for a strong identity to defend itself with and it clings to... losers? Hitler is fucking DEAD. National socialism is fucking DEAD. They LOST. We need something new, something more intellectual, and something much less easy to brush off and dismiss.
>>69966188
And furthermore, Derek has a mom and young sister to provide for and protect. Returning to lead hoodlums around town destroying private property is degeneracy DEFINED.
Now, as for this "abyss"... Why? What is so depressing about brute reality? We are just animals.
the ending was altered by that cuck norton.
the main character goes full nazi in the original ending.
also the rape and nigger friends was added by that asshole.
>>69963385
And that's why I refused to ever see the movie. Edward Norton just seems like such a smarmy person.
>>69968931
There's a deleted scene that points up the meaninglessness of racism.
The younger brother and his friend harass a homeless black woman in an increasingly threatening manner. She is clearly scared.
Then one of them says the magic n-word and the woman -- who is homeless and was just having her possessions and life threatened -- is meant to now be on a other level of hurt. She begins to cry. As opposed to, you know, the whole death thing.
Another deleted scene shows the creepy old Nazi mentor and the fat Nazi friend about to get assaulted by two blacks, and it's clear that, like the drowning Teutonic Knights in Alexander Nevsky, this is meant to be cartoonishly humorous.
>>69967906
>>69968484
>So Derek would likely fall back to his prior beliefs but with a much more nuanced understanding which would allow him to be a greater leader to his group.
A much more nuanced view. Which means he would not return to the fold of Stacy Keach's character as he had been exposed for the race huckster that he was, molding children for his own ends and (likely) personal profit.
I said that he would be a greater leader to his group (i.e. the less intelligent and more impressionable white kids) that had previously looked to him for guidance and leadership. Instead of trashing an ethnic market and tormenting minorities criminally he could guide them towards more constructive and less extreme stances politically and socially.
My entire point is that his experiences proved both extremes to be flawed and incorrect which would draw Derek closer to the middle. However, as his family's survival is now at stake he must still take up the spear and defend himself against "the other" who are (at the moment) far less likely to be as enlightened as he is.
One cannot throw one's self into liberal orthodoxy and prostrate one's self, unarmed, at the mercy of an out-group (one of which Derek had previously murdered).
I think the entire point is that we all have blood stains on our collective hands due to historical context--a racial original sin (blacks killed Derek's father for no reason which was their sin, and Derek responded in kind, which led Henry to kill Danny). Unilateral disarmament is often the worst recourse available as it results in victimhood and suffering.
>>69969075
He's such a smug prick. The character he plays in Rounders was a perfect fit for him, he didnt even have to act.
>>69970040
I have no blood on my hands; my conscience is clear. I refuse to bear the burden of collective guilt.
>One cannot throw one's self into liberal orthodoxy and prostrate one's self, unarmed, at the mercy of an out-group (one of which Derek had previously murdered).
You are spot on here. That's not what I was suggesting or implying that he do. His father and his brother were both murdered for trivial, senseless reasons. What irritates me about Edward Norton's cut of the film is that, essentially, his brother was shot for standing up to bullying and the end result is that this is somehow something he had coming to him?
>>69961064
the end of the movie was going to be the main character shaving his head in the mirror as the credits rolled
but edward norton made them take it out
>>69970680
The lesson is that white people have been Bad and need to passively accept their punishment, much as they might quietly tolerate having the family car stolen.
>>69970680
Henry, the black kid who killed Danny, was the younger brother of the guy that Derek curb-stomped. Which is to serve as the vehicle for illustrating how pointless vengeance is in most cases--especially racial group violence. So while Danny was, relative to Derek, innocent he was considered guilty due to his familial ties. Henry knew Danny was Derek's brother as he was at the basketball game that led to the eventual curb-stomping.
And I agree that your hands are clean individually, but in a larger racial context (within the US) you and I are both considered stained with blood simply for being white--just as Danny was stained for simply being related to Derek.
Many blacks in the US view white-black race relations as a total "us versus them" zero-sum game. As do some whites (a far lower proportion I suspect). The OJ Simpson trial being a perfect example. A black man who couldn't have been farther removed from the black community was hailed as a victory by ghetto blacks simply because he got away with killing a white and a jew.
This story lives in every culture in the world in some form or another. The point is that whether one likes it or not, one is tied intimately to his racial or ethnic group independent of volition. For example, the image of the white guy who had his face smashed in Ferguson with "Black Lives Matter" on his button-down shirt.
Lofty ideals and unity go right out the window when a nig smashes your face for being white. Some will turn the other cheek to be victimized again. Some pick up the clippers and shave their heads.
>>69970973
White people HAVEN'T been bad. West Africans were enslaved because they were primitive and unable to defend themselves. Deserve has nothing to do with it. We owe them nothing.
>Some will turn the other cheek to be victimized again. Some pick up the clippers and shave their heads.
And I understand that, while lost and adrift, we'll grasp on to any flotilla we can to keep from drowning but National Socialism and anti-Semitism is bullshit man.
>>69971502
Far less whites do because on a genetic level we are pre-disposed to being individuals. We interact with each other as individuals.
We are arrogant in our assumption that other groups do not have a collectivist mindset.
>>69961064
Do not import 3rd worlds, do not be disarmed, do not live in Leftist cities/states. I mean if the shooting from earlier in the film had happened in say NV or Texas he would have gotten off. Also around blacks never relax.
>>69971742
Right but I'm saying that this is the view of the filmmakers.
>>69964453
If it was on Netflix in its full glory it would be epic.
>>69970040
>Unilateral disarmament is often the worst recourse available as it results in victimhood and suffering.
Why can leftist not understand this? Do they crave death?
Tfw my past mexican roommate asked me if I saw this. I say ya it's a good movie. A few weeka larer he asks if Im racist. I dont think he understood the movie.
