Sup Libertarians, you see this? Yeah, Hillary Clinton, a corrupt life-time politican that is hell-bent on increasing the size of government, is winning. Notice, however, that if all of Johnson's voters were to have voted Trump, he would be winning.
If this scenario in the image were in any way represenative of how the actual general election were to go, the path to living in a free and prosperous society would be far from reality. As a Libertarian, I normally wouldn't advocate voting for the two-party statist candidates, but this is a call to the pragmatic side of Libertarians. Gary Johnson has no shot in winning, and if we want any shot of living in a Libertarian society, Trump is our best shot. Trump is far from a Libertarian, and is far from bringing us to a free society, but he brings us one thing we desperately need: progress.
By bringing government to the will of the people, and not to the interest of globalist, Libertarians would have a much better chance at getting their shit done.
>>69955086
republican politicians keep stating that they switch over to Hillary if it's between her and Trump. But, honestly, I doubt that. Once the general elections comes around, republicans are gonna stay republicans, and Trump will through their votes.
>>69955621
•Will win
1. Johnson won't even get 3 percent
2. The establishment party isn't "owed" the 3rd party vote
3. Most libertarians support Trump
4. Anybody who feels strongly enough to throw away their vote on Gary Johnson will never support Trump
Umm, libertarians are for personal right, not less government. Why does this meme of libs are super repubs exist?
>>69956030
>Most libertarians support Trump
I'm a libertarian leaning person supporting Bernie.
AMA
>>69956030
Gary is pulling equally from the left and right and from voters who otherwise woyld have voted, and trump is pulling fom leftists who are pissued off by sjws.
Libertarians aren't stealing votes from trump. Trump has broken the democratic and Republican parties, and it's a mad free for all this year.
>>69957608
>and it's a mad free for all this year.
pretty much this
I seen libertarians making arguments for clinton, johnson, sanders, webb, trump, cruz, etc
>>69957589
your insane
>>69957589
No you aren't, just a confused 15 year old.
>>69957589
Are you the only faggot in your family?
>>69955086
OP doesn't know how the electoral college works. Fuck all of you I'm still voting Gary Johnson
>>69958055
why?
Bernie accomplishes libertarian objectives like halting corporate welfare, stopping the bullshit wars and not spying on americans.
The realpolitik is that his economic policies are DOA in a GOP controlled House.
Seems logical to me. I'm a Capitalist , but I have no love for the Banking Cartel in this country.
>>69955086
Libertarianism can't work on a global scale.
>>69957589
>>I'm a libertarian leaning person supporting Bernie.
You don't understand your own politics.
>>69957589
Do you suck cocks?
>>69957589
This. A vast majority of the old "Ron Paul Libertarians" support Bernie Sanders
>>69957608
>trump is pulling fom leftists who are pissued off by sjws
>>69958485
no. you dont understand our system of government.
Bernie's economic policies are irrelevant, they wont see light of day in the House or Senate.
What he can do from the Oval Office seems to be OK from a Libertarian standpoint.
>>69958337
>halting corporate welfare
Buy giving money to unions? Unions that are as large as the most destructive corporation?
Apologies for hilldog?
Muh e-mails are not a problem?
>stopping the bullshit wars
He's voted for wars consistently
>not spying on americans
If you want tax hikes, this will not stop
>GOP controlled House.
They gave EVERYTHING to the Democrats this year.
>>69957589
>>69958550
If you're looking at the social aspect of Libertarianism, Bernie is probably a fine choice. Economically speaking, I think Libertarians going for Bernie are a bit confused to say the least.
I'm not registered with any political party, and I consider myself a classical liberal, but there is no fucking way that Hillary Clinton is getting my vote.
>>69958550
He's literally the only candidate that isn't trying to fight wars for Israel or Saudi Arabia.
>>69958550
As a ron paul libertarian, no we fucking dont.
Supporting a statist shill who wants government mandates and financial controls crammed down our throats is beyond opposite of libertarian.
Bernard sandals wants to use the IRS to force even more taxes on the people... Ron paul is the polar fucking opposite.
>>69955086
Democracy is flawed. There should be no one in the center of the government in the first place, the country should just be run completely freely with people voting with their wallets instead of their ballots desu
>>69957589
How big of a faggot are you actually?
>>69958705
>Bernie's economic policies are irrelevant, they wont see light of day in the House or Senate.
>
>What he can do from the Oval Office seems to be OK from a Libertarian standpoint.
>>69958337
>The realpolitik is that his economic policies are DOA in a GOP controlled House.
It was only a few years ago that Democrats had control of both houses. Also, remember that GOP-controlled Congress fully funded Obamacare. Even a weak version of Bernie's policies would be incredibly destructive - and is much more likely than you think.
>>69958741
>Buy giving money to unions?
he doesn't give money to unions, they give money to him.
>He's voted for wars consistently
Such as?
Becuz he voted against Desert Storm and Iraq.
>They gave EVERYTHING to the Democrats this year.
The election hasn't happened yet and the Dems has no statistical chance of regaining the House.
Your clearly drunk on maple drip.
>>69958794
> I think Libertarians going for Bernie are a bit confused to say the least.
Ideology != policy
his economic policies are moot
GOP will control House.
The libertarian party is a joke and exists solely to fuck up elections. They aren't serious.
>>69958833
>>69958550
Paulbots split up and some went to the right and some to the left. Only the most fedora ones think wasting their vote on Gary Johnson and John McAfee is a good idea because take that society *unzips katana*. lolbertarianism is dying fast after Ron Paul and UKIP got rekt.
>>69958705
>>69957589
>>69958550
These people are literally "dude weed lmaos"
Quit trying to defend your inconsistent and contradictory beliefs and just admit it that you want to smoke pot.
>>69955086
>Libertarians
>Supporting an authoritarian
I dont think so, Tim
>>69958705
I think you don't understand that Congresspeople use presidential elections, the ones that people actually vote in, as a yardstick for the statutes they support. If you think Bernie getting elected won't result in enormous curtailments of economic freedom then you are dumb.
>>69958978
>It was only a few years ago that Democrats had control of both houses.
It is a statistical impossibility for then to take the House this year.
DNC will have a hard time with the Senate , but Trump's effect on downstream ballots is pretty unpredictable.
>>69955086
If Trump would (1) stop pandering to Evangelical retards and (2) at least act like he respects the constitution, I might actually consider voting for him, especially because I fucking hate Hillary and would do quite literally anything to help stop her.
But he way Trump's going, he's going to totally alienate the center and lose the election. May as well try to help get the Libertarian vote to 15%.
>>69955086
the real problem is people committed to voting for a party.
I support Bernie but will be voting Trump. Most Bernie voters will jump over to Hiliary
>>69959314
>Bernie getting elected won't result in enormous curtailments of economic freedom
>as a yardstick for the statutes they support
no they don't.
8 years of Obama is proof of that.
ur high on crack.
>>69957589
what does you wife's son think about Bernie?
>>69957589
go trade video games with ian freeman you cuck.
>>69955086
>Notice, however, that if all of Johnson's voters were to have voted Trump, he would be winning.
Notice if all of Trump's voters voted for Johnson he'd be winning :^)
>>69959039
>Becuz he voted against Desert Storm and Iraq.
>voted for every other war under his watch
>voted for the Iraq sanctions which killed in excess of 500k people
>he supported to war in Iraq like many Democrats but opposed how neoconservative puppet Bush wanted to go to war
Justin Raimondo of antiwar.com ripped Sander's hypocritical positions to shreds as did Ryan Dawson
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NdHtfKZ9iy8
>>69959487
go ask your dad
I support trump but I don't give a fuck anymore.
>America is that cucked they will ellect Clnton
Shame
>>69955086
The more people realize how fucking stupid and dystopian it is to have other people dictate how you or I are to live our lives, and how maliciously evil it is to violently steal from people and subjugate them to the arbitrary whims of random others, the quicker we'll see the end.
I'll do the right thing even if the world burns down to its very core as a consequent.
>>69955086
Switched to Republican for this reason alone. After Rand lost I knew Gary had no chance.
>2016
>voting for egomaniac, attention whore Donald Trump or establishment criminal cunt Hillary
>ISHYGDDT
I'm from the left and I'm going to vote libertarian. Bernie is a fucking retard and Hillary is a spineless liar. Would vote for Trump if he would shut up about the stupid wall, but unfortunately that's his whole campaign. >inb4 wetback, i'm not
You seem visibly upset.
>>69955086
That poll shows The libertarian is taking more from Clinton. Meme the libertarian into the debate and Trump wins.
>>69959122
GOP will control House.
For how long? If regressive liberals get back in power it is imminently feasible that his insane economic policies will be enacted and when the businesses that are left here decide to turn Galt wherever possible, like many of them already have, there will be nothing left to do besides look at the #bernouts and say "I told you so". But where does that leave us? Pointing fingers and making excuses, that's where. Even if Bernie toned down his redistribution bullshit, 15/hr min wage fantasy which the Seattle case study has already shown to be a short term disaster, free college pipe dream, vilifying nuclear energy, the list goes on, his supporters' behavior has already sealed the deal for me against him. The chimp out in the Chicago is the tip of iceberg and I will not associate myself with the ilk that takes to the streets over him. Marginalizing white people was a fucking idiotic blunder of epic proportions and easily identified for what it is, pandering to blacks that would rather have Hillary. Nice job Bernie.
>>69957589
You're not a libertarian, you're just a centerist moron.
>>69955086
I used to be a Trump supporter.
I am now #HAIRY4GARY
>>69959370
Trump doesn't pander to Evangelical retards though. He barely mentions religion at all.
>act like he respects the constitution
More than Hillary at least.
>>69959794
Feeling the Johnson?
>>69959558
>Justin Raimondo of antiwar.com
no actual vote records?
Thanks for confirming your fulla shit.
All his votes where NO for the AUMF and Desert Storm
most libertarians are liberals
they aren't stealing votes from Trump, they are stealing votes from Hillary
>>69955086
Voted for Johnson last time to try and get to 5%.
Trump is our only hope this time.
>>69959822
My Johnson is hard for Gary
>>69959763
and ur a dumb leaf
>>69955086
Im a Libertarian and you think I would vote Republican? I despise them!
>You think like someone who votes Republican.
>>69957589
>no farm subsidies
>one bad harvest
>suddenly 400% price increase on carrots
>many farms have to borrow for the accrued losses
>next years prices have to be higher to account for loan debt
but le free market will take care of it
>>69955086
Lol @ the libertardians getting > 1%
>>69959748
>For how long?
probably until 2024
>gerrymandering
>>69957589
Did you honestly compare Bernie's policies to that picture and see any similarities?
>>69959898
never happened
ur an idiot
farm subsidies are complete fucking scams designed to jack up the price of food and to reward Agro companies for underplowing fields.
>>69959885
>implying Trump is a typical republican
He would at least be the most non-interventionist president we've had in decades. All he wants to do is bomb ISIS and leave. Clinton would get us involved in all sorts of stupid wars as her history shows.
>>69959869
Well, you've got me there mate, I do live in the shittiest country on earth.
>>69955086
>Trump is far from a Libertarian
da fuq?
Trump will
-audit the fed
-lower taxes
-bring education locally
-believes in states rights
-pro gun
-doesn't want to police the world
the fact libertarians oppose him shows how autistic they are.
>m-muh statist! m-muh authoritarian!
>>69959959
i tired of reposting this
look here
>>69958705
>>69955086
>mfw a shittertarian hated roads, secure borders and having a strong national defense because they felt like a bunch of drugged up lunatics with guns was a suitable alternative and they could just pray to the almighty "free market" to magically fix everything and they struggled with simple tasks and personal hygiene because they were a petulant brat who violently shits their pampers in a bout of impotent rage whenever someone calls out their fairy tale bull shit fantasy land "ideology" near me
>>69959898
Farm insurance protects against loss of income
>>69959839
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Most libertarians are classical liberals and tend to be more conservative in the american sense of the word. Hillary is just about the last candidate they would vote for, though a lot are probably not in love with Trump either.
>>69957589
you're not a libertarian bro
>>69960092
>trade wars
>muh walls
>muh wiretapping
>muh police state
>i love Israel
>>69960040
no shit it never happened, we have subsidies to protect farmers from a bad season. Getting rid of a protective net for actual hard working americans is as stupid as privatizing roads
>>69959841
>Voted for Johnson last time to try and get to 5%.
This year is the best chance to do that. A lot of people hate Trump and even more hate Hillary. And somehow even more hate Cruz. A lot of those voters might look third party -- if the choices are the proverbial "douche and turd sandwich."
Plus, the Republican Party is on the verge of collapse. Who knows what could happen if the convention creates a schism.
>>69960194
>Farm insurance
Is not insurance, its fucking corporate welfare.
>>69960219
Can't you be fucking pragmatic? Trump is a step in the right direction in many aspects. Just because you disagree with him on some things (I do too) doesn't mean he doesn't represent a real change.
>>69960228
>protective net for actual hard working americans
>gives taxpayer money to deadbeat companies
wow. did you turn 12 yesterday?
>>69958337
>>The realpolitik is that his economic policies are DOA in a GOP controlled House.
right, just like Obama's policies were
>>69956522
People who aren't Libertarian don't understand it. All relatives republican. Grandparents don't even know what it is. Dad thinks its super republican like you say.
>>69960123
>>69960343
>Can't you be fucking pragmatic?
Yea. Thats why I voting Bernie.
The stuff I dont like about Bernie wont come to fruition.
And the stuff I like about will.
Win-Win
>art of the deal
look it up.
>>69960044
It would be awesome from one perspective but Im not gonna abandon my beliefs for lesser of 2 evils.
>>69958866
lolbertarians, everyone
live completely in lalaland
>>69960439
butt hurt shittertarian spotted
let's all gather around and laugh at the emotional child for believing in fairy tales and fantasy bull shit
>>69959122
>GOP will control House.
Thank heavens.
>>69960372
>right, just like Obama's policies were
let me see.
>GOP takes House in 2011
>Obamonomics get obstructed for the next 6 years
yep, it all checks out.
Where you in 8th grade when the Tea Party formed?
>>69957589
Crashing this thread...
>WITH NO SURVIVORS
>>69955086
We could all just hop on the gary train. Dude is pretty based himself.
>>69960372
Obama's policies were corporatism, not socialism.
>>69959124
libertarian pulls from left and right, they don't change the outcome of anything
>>69960604
>tfw high and right
reroll
>>69960482
Trump is far more beneficial to the libertarian ideal than Bernie would be. Bern might veto some NSA bills (which is good), but then he'll go for for increased government regulation, increased taxation, etc.
>>69960507
>I have autism and candidates must agree with me 100%
A kind of candidate like Trump will literally never appear again in your lifetime and you want to throw this chance away?
>>69957589
>>Most libertarians support Trump
>I'm a liberal leaning person supporting Bernie.
>AMA
Fixed.
>>69959370
so Trump should stop pandering to 25 percent of the electorate, and over 60 percent of the Republican base
this is why lolbertarians can't win
>>69960482
>And the stuff I like about will.
Such as?
I haven't heard a single thing from him that I've liked. It's all rose colored bullshit that won't come to fruition.
I do agree that bernie will be mostly harmless though. He's just so retarded that there's no way he could convince congress to do anything with him. (same goes for trump but he's not as retarded)
johnson would mainly take votes from hillary, possible swing a demo state, that helps trump.
>>69955086
Libertarians are all political babbies that "just want to be left alone" i.e. politics is too loud and scary for them. Just vote for Trump you dummies.
>>69960684
> increased government regulation, increased taxation, etc.
by what?
presidential decree?
Trump on the other seems like someone who
>shirks any accountability
>doesn't give a fuck about the congress
>doesn't give a fuck about the law
>doesn't give a fuck about diplomacy
>doesn't give a fuck about rights
>doesn't give a fuck about the courts
>will most certainly peddle influence and take graft
>get into a war for some trivial bullshit
He's a con artist. Plain and Simple.
He's just right-wing populist Hillary.
>>69960956
>voting for Hope v2.0
No thanks.
>>69959699
you have to go back, pedro
>>69960898
This, meme libertarians into the debate.
>>69959724
yes, let's convince all democrats who hate Hillary to vote libertarian!
>>69960819
>Such as?
>Audit the Fed
>Cut corporate welfare
>no police state
>no wiretapping americans
>no bullshit wars for banks
seems good to me.
>Yeah, Hillary Clinton, a corrupt life-time politican that is hell-bent on increasing the size of government, is winning. Notice, however, that if all of Johnson's voters were to have voted Trump, he would be winning.
>winning
Not really.
Every time I see Hillary in an interview, she gets special treatment by the press, everyone int he media is going easy on her, while being disproportionately hard on everybody else.
Every time she's cracked or fucked something up, the MSM downplays it, makes excuses because she has a vagina, or simply doesn't report on it.
She is a catastrophically bad campaigner, we will see that when The Donald puts his boot in her ass. He's going to broadside her and send straight to briny abyss.
>>69960202
Anecdotal but I agree with you. If Republicans would just give up on abortions, gay marriage, the war on drugs and other individual rights issues I would just go Republican and be vocal and critical of their crony capitalism schemes. If the former were to come true I would at least have faith in the latter.
Democrats don't really even get individual rights issues right. Their constant attacks on free speech, the second amendment and preaching group think and large bureaucracies that are expanding to meet their expanding needs has turned me off on them for good I'm afraid to say.
>>69960980
Bernie would never cut back any of our alphabet soup agencies which defacto make law and introduce regulations into the market. Trump has shown willingness to cut some things like the EPA and Department of Education.
>things about Trump I made up
He's the least likely to go to war out of the major party candidates right now. Look up Bern's voting record if you don't believe me; he voted for Kosovo, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.
>>69961066
>If Bernie isnt the nomination.
Thats what I plan to do.
Liberrarians are autistic idiots they would rather vote for purity and lose rather than vote for the best candidate to destroy this totalaltarian criminal government.
>>69959885
>you depise the party that most closely aligns with you worldview
there's a reason ron paul ran republican, not democrat
>>69961089
>no bullshit wars for banks
He voted for those you retard research your candidate. Trump supports auditing the fed and would be more likely to cut corporate welfare since he's not in their pockets.
>>69959267
i can't wait until pot is legalized. then i dont have to hear this stupid meme anymore
>>69957589
>>69957867
Speaking of which, Webb was the best actual choice this time around. Shame he got cucked so hard by Wasserman-Schultz for not being an SJW
>>69960202
that's what I said
some old democrats are finally waking up to the reality of what democrats are now
>>69961203
Newsflash
Congress isn't going to cooperate with Trump and it isn't going to cooperate with Sanders.
Its going to be 4 more years of obstructionist bullshit and oval office antics.
All they can do is bitch and draft orders on how agencies are to do or not do jobs. There will grandstanding, lawsuits and media circuses.
But there wont be any real changes other than not going to war in Iraq again.
>>69961299
liar liar pants on fire
>>69961089
Seems to me like all of those policies are double edged swords when he uses them, though.
>Audit the Fed
and give any benefits to niggers and immigrants
>Cut corporate welfare
ditto
>no police state
>M-MUH BLACK LIVES MATTUH
>no wiretapping americans
To an extent this is a good thing but to say it shouldn't happy under any circumstances is just naive
>no bullshit wars for banks
kind of hard to define which wars are for banks since banks ALWAYS profit from war (along with anybody else who knows what to invest in)
VOTE
FOR
TRUMP
>>69961397
that was sad, friend
He was my early pick
>>69961217
All millennial bern outs I know are voting Libertarian If shillary wins. Maybe we can make the debate, this will help trump.
>>69955086
>if all of Johnson's voters were to have voted Trump
But that won't happen.
>>69960219
>>>trade wars
that's a good thing. other countries protect their people, so free trade is impossible
>>muh walls
that's the keep out all the brown people. you do know only white people love liberty, right?
>>muh wiretapping
not even in the top 10 list of biggest issues
>>muh police state
state's rights, retard. vote out your local sheriff if you don't like it
>>i love Israel
just pandering, he will make Israel pay for protection
>>69961482
Congress is more likely to cooperate with Trump who literally has decades of experience in negotiating with people. He's winning over many republicans right now. I want this meme to end.
>>69961515
>facts hurt my feelings
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/47/military-personnel
>>69956030
>most libertarians support trump
I think this isn't true as most Libertarians think this election is a joke and a good opportunity to get 3rd party voters so they will vote libertarian just to see its popularity increase. I agree with these people and have been considering voting libertarian. On the general I voted for trump but I hate to vote for him simply because I don't want to see Hillary win. I do like Trump just don't agree with him on some major issues. I've seen many bernie cucks on facebook talk about how they'd leave the country if trump was elected so I'm just weighing the benefits to libertarianism vs trump sticking it to liberals and actually living up to some of his ridiculous claims
>>69960604
Gib
>>69961759
Got that bitch in the tit.
>>69958550
I don't though.
>>69957589
You are not a libertarian my man
>>69961686
nice link
got something that isnt just a menu of unrelated bills?
>>69960482
bernie is the worst candidate, retard
>>69961232
I'm sure you'll find plenty of purists that are exactly like you describe. I also assure that there are plenty, dare I say even more pragmatists among us that will take heed to Machiavelli when he said "because how we live is so far distant than how we ought to live that he who neglects what is done for what should be done sooner effects his ruin than his preservation."
>>69961299
>implying Trump hasn't invested money in things other than real estate or his own companies
He even has money invested in Applel, which he claimed we should boycott.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-stock-portfolio-2015-7
>>69961791
Kneecap. Again!
>>69961634
>just pandering, he will make Israel pay for protection
keep telling yourself that you shabbos goy
>>69960595
so they merely slowed obama down
we still have gay marriage, obamacare funded, and tpp looming
I am a Libertarian who is supporting Trump. If Trump isn't nominated or runs as an independent, then I'll vote for a Libertarian.
>>69955086
Indeed, I am usually a person who votes third party because the two choices are usually the same amount of shitty, but we absolutely can not afford to elect Hillary. It would destroy our country.
>>69960604
rollan for greatness
>>69955086
Gary Johnson is essentially a place-holder in this poll. The majority of those polled didn't know who he is.
>>69960980
stop drinking the liberal media koolaid
>>69961825
>Bernie is anti-war
Defend this one then. He voted against an Iraq Withdrawal Amendment.
https://votesmart.org/bill/4095/12760/27110/iraq-withdrawal-amendment
>>69961869
Not even close to the same thing. If you have investments in a company, you want to see it grow, so that gives incentives to Trump to build a strong economy.
>>69957589
>>69957589
I can only see this happening through a totalitarian state. Humans have their own interests and selfish motives. Nobody will bow to this unless they're forced to.
>>69960604
headshot t b h
>>69961928
That picture is my worst nightmare with the possibility of being true. Please people don't let her win.
>>69961195
>If Republicans would just give up on abortions, gay marriage, the war on drugs and other individual rights issues
don't be retarded, the majority of american's are for those things. that's why republicans win
>>69962446
Most are for weed and gay marriage. I think abortion is still roughly 50-50. Other things are a crapshoot. Republicans would do better with less emphasis on social issues though.
Can this meme that Libertarians are going to steal more votes from Hillary than Trump end already? Jesus, I can't quote every retard that's said it in this thread because it's happened way too much, but it's a stupid fucking statement.
Why would Libertarians, an anti-establishment voting base that wants to protect individual liberties, vote for Hillary over Trump? Yeah, Trump isn't the best represenative of the liberty movement, but he's better than Clinton. Clinton is the embodiment of the establishment, and she will expand the powers of the federal governmenet and strip the people of their individual liberties. All you need to do is look at her opposition of gun rights, or her advocacy towards increased government spending in failed entitlment programs, or the foreign wars that have not suited our country's interests. She's the embodiment of what Libertarians have been criticizing for the best 16 years with Bush and Obama, and the idea that Libertarians will steal votes from Clinton is insane.
Sure, Libertarians will steal votes from confused Liberals, but not true Libertarians interested in protecting the constitution. Sure, he believes in REFORMED entitlement spending, military intervention against ISIS, and is a little authoritarian on issues such as the NSA, but the fact that Trump is at least expanding government in the interest of the people is the oppurtunity the liberty movement needs to fluorish.
>>69955086
>yfw we will live to see a new realignment election of nationalist vs socialist vs libertarian grounds
I'm ready for a 3 party system
>>69958337
>The realpolitik is that his economic policies are DOA in a GOP controlled House.
And also they are violently retarded.
>>69955086
>implying I vote
>>69955086
>m-muh vote matters!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aca-7dAFDKg
>>69962446
Historically speaking you're correct. This isn't the world of our grandparents or even our parents. Republicans are going to make themselves obsolete if they don't give up on a lot of their 'wars' on individual issues.
>>69961397
>wanted to give illegals free health care
yeah, nah
>>69961482
>>Congress isn't going to cooperate with Trump
Trump makes the best deals
he will stump congress so hard if they don't go along with him
>>69955086
I'm a Libertarian and I'm voting Trump. You're retarded if you think a vote for Trump is a vote for the GOP. If you hate the GOP and what it's done to American conservatism then you'll vote Trump.
>>69958550
This site is full of former Ron Paul supporters who are now Trump supporter.
>>69958794
Libertarians believe in freedom of association. Leftists use indoctrination and subversive, unconstitutional, authoritarian tactics to advanced their social agendas and then, use government coercion to force their views on the population. How can a libertarian support Cultural Marxism?
>>69963332
This.
>>69960604
Go away FBI
>>69961750
yes, this is libertarians chance
so many people hate hillary and Trump
libertarianism is a good stepping stone into getting redpilled, I think
>>69955086
time for meme war
>>69963241
>>69961900
if Trump is a shabbos goy, then why do jews hate him so much?
>>69963377
I can't argue with anything you just typed. Bernie does have some good things going for him in the way or reducing spying on us by our government, easing up on the war on drugs, not giving a fuck about gay marriage. From a social aspect, I can see how many might think he's a fine choice. I certainly don't think he is, but i'm trying to see why Libertarians might vote for him.
>>69955086
>Gary
>11%
Hahahaha bullshit
>>69955086
aw fuck is trump really losing? why the fuck do you fucking liberal cucks want to have a women as president? and shillary cliton isnt going to do shit, are you fags ready for 4 more years of Obama?
fuck you
>>69955086
We need to get Rand and Ron Paul to back Trump maybe even join his cabinet (Ben gets the VP slot, Christe goes back to NJ)
Bernie is going to get demolished and his people won't do shit but complain about it on facebook. This new movement under Trump has some actual weight and may be able to stop the brokered convention.
Which leaves Hilldog and the Don
This will literally be the last election if we don't get Donald elected
>We have the numbers
>We have the base
>We have the will
>We have the memes
We need to meme Rand to reconciliation with Trump which will swing a large portion of Libertarians. Also with Ben and Rand we can bring some stability to the chaos candidate.
All of the issues in this country stem from the first past the post voting system we have.
>>69962560
the hardcore republicans who vote in every election are for them, therefore it would be career suicide
>>69957608
Gary pretty much ruined his chances with libertarians due to how he acted in the debate
>>69962690
>>Why would Libertarians, an anti-establishment voting base that wants to protect individual liberties, vote for Hillary over Trump?
because dude weed lmao
>>69963804
Rand has too much integrity to embrace trump
Not that it matters. Real libertarians aren't that fond of him anyway.
Paul the elder was more ideologically pure.
>>69955086
>brother is libertarian
>says he is voting like all the other libertarians
>just voting for random libertarians
Seriously. Why.
>>69963761
don't trust any general poll until after the primaries are over
>>69963836
I would almost advocate for letting those hardcore right wingers make their own party. Being more liberal in social aspects would tie in nicely with their message of individual liberty, personal responsibility coming before civic duty and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. The hardcore right could easily be filled in voter wise and then some by centrists and even moderate democrats. I think it's a winning proposition for that party to abandon the hardcore right, be more logically consistent in their principles. But ultimately, what do I know.
>>69963804
can't, ron paul has been going on tv talking bad about trump
>>69964006
Rand did say he would endorse Trump if he was nominated
But you are right that Ron would never do such a thing
>>69964057
They still want to be recognized as an official party
>>69964245
>Rand did say he would endorse Trump if he was nominated
Citation needed
>>69959558
>feel the johnson
If I wore a shirt like that without the political part I'd be scolded for sexual harassment.
>>69959272
I agree and yet:
-Voting for a politician who is known to be completely corrupt, morally bankrupt and a highly paid shill for the banks.
-Voting for an authoritarian with a pretty good idea of what is going on. A man who has his finger on the pulse of current affairs and (more importantly) banking.
-Voting for a third party nobody who is going to get option 1 elected.
1 and 2 are a vote for a turd sandwich, or a giant douche. I'd pick the one who seems to be well-intentioned.
>>69964219
>>I would almost advocate for letting those hardcore right wingers make their own party.
there's no reason to make another party. just keep advaotcing for states rights, then potheads can move to legal states, while non-legal states will finally be free of them
>>69961823
Hey
>>69962121
>AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
>To strike language that would tie the hands of the Commander-in-Chief by imposing an arbitrary timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, thereby undermining the position of American Armed Forces and jeopardizing the successful conclusion of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
dude reading comprehension lmao
Nice to see so many /libertarian/ bros on here. Please stay and break the stormfag circlejerk.
>>69964171
yah i suppose you're right, when does it all come to an end? how much time is left? as you can tell im a completely uneducated faggot
>>69960604
>69960604
Roll for the kill shot
>>69964489
libertarianism is just a faze, bro
>>69964513
>>69964513
>>69964513
>>69964513
>>69964513
>>69964513
>>69964498
july
>>69964498
It ends in July
>>69964554
I'm a Paleocon but at least I can have a discussion with Libertarians.
>>69964395
Pot is such a small issue here. There are many other things to consider, but i've already gone over them in other posts. I agree with states rights trumping federal oversight, but there are some individual liberty issues that states should not be allowed to decide. In the interest of promoting liberty for all, there is much more to consider than a stupid fucking plant.
>>69964320
http://www.infowars.com/rand-paul-says-he-will-support-trump-if-hes-the-gop-nominee/
>>69964611
>>69964691
Wont Trumps #'s increase by a lot though? He's going to try to go to as many states as he can right? Also, why is Hillary winning so far? I see her have little or no Media support, and all comments I see about her are "Hillary for prison", ect., ect.; Why the fuck is she still winning? She is literally the worst candidate out of all of them
>>69960604
rollerino
>>69955086
I had this realization pretty early on. I vowed to vote republican for the next 8 years due to the dems wanting to erode the 2nd amendment further. At least trump isn't an ultra religious zealot. I'm pretty fired up about him really. Voted for him in the az primary already.
>>69961928
Literally the most terrifying thing I've heard her say in a long time. They're not even her own words.
>>69958705
Muh supreme court!
>>69964760
paleocons are much closer to natsoc than lolbertarians
>>69955086
>mfw you think popular vote matters
>mfw youre probably too young to remember 2000
>mfw
>>69964981
>Also, why is Hillary winning so far?
the media is hiding her
once Trump starts running, she won't be able to hide anymore
If Trump doesn't win the nominee, I'm voting Gary Johnson
>>69965467
I don't know if you're being leafy funny or serious here but with the death of Scalia this is a MAJOR issue that I think is largely being overlooked. The supreme court hangs in the balance as is, and with a Clinton or god forbid Bernie presidency the court is going to get packed with regressive liberals.
>>69965057
How can people still be worried about "ultra religious zealots" in the context of Christians in [current year]? Has the left's apocalyptic visions of the evil right-wing, Christian theocrat taking the office of the presidency ever come to pass? No. They said the same thing about Bush and Reagan and Roe v Wade still remains the law of the land and our society continues to plummet into degeneracy. We live in an era of safe spaces, rampant identity politics, SJWs, and campus crybullies. If anything, it's Christians who are being persecuted by the left for standing up for their beliefs.
>>69955086
I agree anon. That's why I'm voting Trump.
>>69966157
I am largely sympathetic to Christians in the modern day. The worst they put forth is the westburo baptist church type crazy, which is laughed at and disowned by the Christians anyway, I wouldn't even call a part of the Christian right. They are attention whores with little to no relevance outside of protesting funerals or some other dumb shit. My point is: if this is the worst, it's really not that bad when you compare religions, especially mudslimes. Christianity has been tempered with over 600 years of secularism, they are hardly a threat outside of gay marriage, abortion and a few other issues in the political realm. With that being said, they are taking a lot of heat for those beliefs though.
>>69965743
No, they aren't. I believe in limited government. I believe in non-interventionism. I believe in individual liberty. I believe in the ideals of the Enlightenment and the American Revolution. I am an American Nationalist. I want nothing to do with a bunch of jackbooted, sociopathic, statist thugs who call for the subjugation and extermination of millions of innocent people.
>>69962690
The poll itself shows Larry Dawson taking 2% more from Clinton. Further more , the high income Rightists urbanites/suburbanites who are opposed to Trump right now would vote for Clinton unless some other guy takes their vote.
>>69960604
I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll.
>>69955086
If you dumb motherfuckers really think a 3rd party is getting 11% of the vote you are absolutely tripping balls.
>>69964981
I think Trumps numbers will increase due to the Bernie People and republicans who have to accept Trump
The collective butthurt of the right and Trump supporters in particular, will make voting third party worth it. Besides, the CIA picks the president. Vote in elections that matter like your local and state elections.
>>69964760
>I'm a Paleocon
>>69964489
>uses stormfag unironically
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan#Antisemitism_and_Holocaust_denial
Not that i'm calling Pat a nazi or anything but you're being dumb now senpai
I'm a palecon too in case it wasn't clear
Why the hell should I vote for Trump? It's not like my vote will change my state to becoming red anyway.
>>69966760
>palecon
>I believe in the ideals of the Enlightenment
wew lad
>>69966066
>The supreme court hangs in the balance as is, and with a Clinton or god forbid Bernie presidency the court is going to get packed with regressive liberals.
That's my point burger
>>69968225
Why wouldn't I use stormfag unironically? Yeah, I'm aware of Pat's views and the demonization he's faced from the likes of the ADL. I agree with a lot of what he says. I don't see how questioning a narrative equates to support for a fascist regime. I'm not sure what that has to do with me and why citing a biased Wiki page is proof of anything. Like you said, Pat isn't a Nazi.
>>69968720
Paleoconservatism is rooted in the American Revolution and the American Revolution was influenced by the ideas of the Enlightenment. Do you have anything besides meme responses?
You cuck brained goyim deserve it after shunning the Pauls. Good riddance
>>69959818
It's not that he talks about religion, it's that he changes his opinion to suit them.
I highly doubt he would have said that there should be punishment for a woman who got an abortion unless he was trying to sound as pro-life as possible so he can win the nomination.
>>69969876
>Why wouldn't I use stormfag unironically?
You sound like a retard, many of whom you would call stormfags would be for paleoconservatism since it places a high value on Western culture/society something those "stormfag" cream their pants for.
>I don't see how questioning a narrative equates to support for a fascist regime
Now where did i ever say that?
>citing a biased Wiki page is proof of anything.
Fine look anywhere else that mentions Pat and the holocaust, the facts are the facts
>Paleoconservatism is rooted in the American Revolution and the American Revolution was influenced by the ideas of the Enlightenment
>Every spin-off off the original French Enlightenment is the same.
Once again, you sound like a retard
>>69970825
You are the retard. I don't give a shit about what those people would support in an ideal world, I'm talking about who and what those people are now. They obviously don't place a high enough value on Western culture/society if they're willing to throw Western values under the bus. I'm not disputing what he said about the Holocaust, retard. I don't see why you feel the need to bring it up, as if questioning the narrative equals support for Nazi, Germany or absolves them of anything. You just went full retard. I never said that every spin-off of the French Enlightenment was the same. but the founders were inspired by Enlightenment thinkers like Voltaire and Rousseau. Fuck off.
>>69971804
>as if questioning the narrative equals support for Nazi, Germany or absolves them of anything.
Again, where did i say or imply this?
>Fuck off
Someone is getting uppity, kek
Literally who is Johnson
>>69970023
Ron Paul wanted liberty. /pol/ doesn't and as a matter of fact hates liberty and the Constitution. They just wanted someone anti-establishment, because that's keks. Hence why they love Trump, since he's basically a human meme.
