4,000 active religion today, 40,000 sects of Christianity alone, tens of thousands of "dead" religions.
All claimed to be the truth the light and the way (paraphrasing)
Prove to me why your religion isn't any more bullshit than all the others.
True or not isn't important.
What is important is the power of belief.
Its easier to live your life knowing all your tragedies, disasters, downswings and ailments happen for a reason.
I don't think religions are about being true but more used as morals. Gods are just representations of laws
Religion is pretty stupid. Nothing wrong with belief, but cults are dangerous.
>>69947078
Because atheism is false.
>>69947078
There's no faith if there's proof.
>>69947078
How many of those religions offer a path to salvation?
>>69947078
My Religion is Science and truth with Earth Elements of Buddhism and Human decency live & let live way of Christianity i am Ultimate Samurai
>>69947078
the 'faith' doesnt really matter
it's the moral ideas the faith is founded on
>>69947869
>Yokes some original sin bullshit on you
>Look we get rid of it for you
Fucking retarded.
>>69947680
Possibly, but which religion is the true one ?
The philosophy of materialism is false.
Atheism is false.
>>69947869
Maybe 300
atheism has a strong connection with marxism....i rather belive in some bullshit religion that wants me to die for example than knee down to marxism
>>69947078
>All claimed to be the truth the light and the way
No they didn't. God did, through His Word.
There's only 1 truth; Lord Jesus.
Liberals can sulk all they want to, it's just the way it is.
>>69948099
Germanism.
>>69948608
>believing that there is no god and focusing on science is communism
Holy shit you are retarded
>>69947334
If you need religion to be a moral person then inherently you are not and cannot be a moral person.
>>69948723
lol Jesus is a lie and you are a cucked slave if you believe it.
>>69948818
>Coming from the US of A
Not bait at all.
>>69947078
Because my religion spread wealth, prosperity, ended hunger, and civilised the entire world.
>>69949475
Did it? then why are so many people starving suffering and dying? Oh I know why....
>>69948955
Coming from you america it doesnt really hurt...but you have a point
I still hate marxism
>>69949081
Uh, no human is perfect, not even jesus, religion is one of the few things that keep society from collapse, i have met atheists and religious people before, atheists treat me worse and generally are huge liars from my experience. For every bad christian there is at least 30 bad atheists.
>>69949817
Though to be fair i have met nice atheists before, but the point is still generally true.
>>69947078
>>69949081
>>69949134
>>69949326
>>69949650
Over a billion different viewpoints, tell me your view of atheism is correct.
>>69947078
Those look like rusty robot nipples
>>69949941
Because it doesn't make supernatural asssumptions.
>>69949817
Ok...Lets do this.Im going to ask you a hypothetical question. Since it is Hypothetical allow me to set it up. First, lets assume that it has been proven without any doubt that an Afterlife is real, a good glorious afterlife. This information is undeniable to anyone in our scenario..Got it? Now, with the same level of certainty let us also assume that not only is Heaven real, but it is shown that EVERYONE gets to go when they die, except for suicides.Doesn't really matter hat happens to them they don't get to go to heaven.
Now here are the questions...How do you think the world would change, but more importantly how would YOU change?
Mathematical odds prove Ayy lmaos are real
There is a god depending on what you define as a god.
My definition is a being more intelligent than the sum of all minds and machines on earth.
Also if you dont believe in aliens you cant possibly believe you exist since you are foreign to every other life form in the universe
Agnostic theist.
>>69949936
Well I guess you showed me, I was wrong the whole time your maymay has shown the error of my ways..I am sure am glad you came along.....Moron.
>>69950028
Thats because they are.
>>69950417
>tipping this hard
>>69950294
There are Galaxies where acording to our physical laws of gravity should not exist.
In this case its faith.
Other simular cases
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150302-black-hole-blast-biggest-science-galaxies-space/
>>69950374
Oh..im not worried about God, I know that God is real..Its religion that is the problem..and unfortunately our best current solution...I just want to people to think.
>conquer most of the known world
>slaughter millions of non-believers
>never get your holy shrines or altars desecrated unlike pretty much all other religions
>once your believers converted and became mudslimes they all died horribly while those who stayed true could return to the steppes of mongolia and live out their days in peace
why don't you worship the one true lord of the blue sky?
>>69950366
>what is the European adventures of the Holy Bible...
>>69950366
>Mohammed traveled to Medina...
>>69950609
Of course its the problem same can be said for any mass mind movement. Humans are inherently tribal and any belief outside their own is seen as a threat. This is why religion is terrible it pushes all outsides into the shadows.
I think religion as we know has not peaked but it will in the next 15-25 years and rapidly decline after that. Reason is the internet and mass rapid travel will create more of a melting pot of ideas with less of the tribalism of isolated religions.
>>69950836
Well then put a teeny tiny little circle in Spain if that will make you feel better.
>>69950602
That could be old light. Laws could be different in different places and times.
The sheer expanse of space trumps and religion. I don't mind religion falling. But not while Islam is so vicious. I defend Christianity as long as Islam is around.
When man disavows religion, then and only then, will he be able to evolve.
>>69950993
Maybe, but I fear that this has all happened before..and it will all happen again..the more and more we put our knowledge in the ether, the more and more it becomes likely that we will lose it. Turn out all the lights and watch how fast religion comes screaming back.
>>69947078
I can't. I can only hope I chose the right lottery ticket. Everything is beyond my or anyone's control.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal's_wager
>>69950602
Yes, there obviously are things we do not yet know. But that is no reason to assume something unfalsifiable.
>>69951146
I think its different this time. The printing press expanded the ideas faster than ever before but that was a one way street. That is people were reading the ideas of others without expressing their own ideas.
Modern communication changes this everyone has an bit of input on how the ideology of the world flows. In the short term this will have very negative affects like what you see in the middle east or the greed you see in the west. However that problem will fade
Its weird seeing chinese people eating Gyros and mexicans eating fish and chips.
>>69951272
Maybe choose no religion....be spiritual instead?
>>69949081
Say that to all the atheist and feminist from the left
Huge degenerate immoral totalitarian victim blamer
>>69947078
Look up what Edward Feser has written about classical theism, and what Peter Kreeft and NT Wright have written about the resurrection of Christ.
>>69947078
1 John 2:18-19
18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.…
>>69951546
Well, its the modern communication art that scares me. When I say this has all happened before I mean it. We had a civilisation a loooong time ago, and most likely they had similar tech that we do today.Something like the internet that in their day stored the bulk of their knowledge.Then something happened. Maybe during the last die off 50k years ago, that sent us all back to the stone age. I say this because of OOPARTS. Out of place artifacts. Look that up if you don't know about it yet, its super interesting. But basically, it's stuff that should not be from the time it is. For example, a brass bell encased in rock over 200k years old.Or glasses over 10k years old..things like Model planes and helicopters being found at site 10s of thousands of years old. And I'll admit it, it just feels right..It just feels like we are a lot older than we even know.
>>69951999
Projecting much? Yeah, you're projecting.
>>69952008
Why?
>>69948099
There are perennial truths that can exist in part in many religions (though not all). Christianity is true because the historicity of the resurrection (at least thats the most important single reason). In 100BC any pagan religion could be "true" in partial ways
>>69947078
Any single belief system could be the right one. I'm not betting yours is.
>>69947078
As I read more of Joseph Campbell's books like "The Hero With A Thousand Faces", I have to admit there are too many similarities between our religions and legends for there to the the "true" one.
I acknowledge the concept of a higher being, I guess I'm a Christian theist. But increasingly, I am starting to think and believe "God comes from within, not from above".
>>69952224
Maybe you'll learn something, or at least be exposed to different ideas
>>69952480
Is it going to try and convince me Santa is real...I'm sorry...I mean "jesus"?
>>69952360
Now you are getting it, whether or not God is real, should only be between you and God....That would solve a lot of problems
>>69949941
ATHEISTS DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE ANYTHING AT ALL, SHITLORD, NOT EVEN SCIENCE
>>69947078
That's not a new argument. And most people here don't believe in god.
No, I'd rather not
>>69947221
the power you can have over people who believe ?
>>69947078
The existence of many does not indicate that none are correct.
>>69952618
Philosophy is the love of wisdom. You can hate wisdom and keep a closed mind, or you can try to understand other perspectives
>>69952804
Never argue with an atheist you cant win. Not because they are right or smart but because they are just like SJW's so entrenched and self centered they will never even consider the fact that there may be some truth to the other side. They are arrogant to a fault and just as much a hypocrite as those they call hypocrites. You cant fill an already full cup. Best to just avoid having anything to do with people like that.
here is some food for thought
If god is willing to intervene in the affairs of men and able to then why does evil still persist.
If he is willing but unable then he is not omnipotent.
If he is unwilling but able then he is malevolent.
If he is neither willing nor able the why bother calling him a god.
>>69953063
Well I have the Jesus Perspective pretty well flushed out, been studying it for almost 30 years..as a Christian and as not. Pretty much squeezed that rock dry I think. I have however gone from an utter hate of all religions to a begrudging acceptance of its role in our current society. I would however like to help create a world in which we don't NEED religion as a society.
>>69953214
I'll take high schoolers reading Epicurus out of context for 200, Alex
>>69947078
they look like tits
>>69953385
Im glad you can see things as I want you to see them.....
>>69953214
Eh, this won't work. They'll always resort to, in one way or another, the ol' GOD WERKS IN MUHSTEERIOUS WAYS.
>>69953130
I'm not atheist. I'm agnostic. Agnostic is about as empty a cup as you can fucking get when it comes to religion. I'm open to the idea that there is a creator, a supreme being, but I believe that all religions on Earth are made by men and are all false.
>>69953214
God gives you the choice to listen or not to listen. If he did everything for you then you would have no free will and therefor could not be guilty of sin since he would be the one who made you sin. To know what someone will do and to make him do it are two different things. The faithful must choose to believe and follow they cannot be forced. Seek and ye shall find.
Because people have invented many religions, they all have to be false - this is faulty logic.
I'll tell you why I am a Christian. It's Biblical prophecy.
There's only one real way for a religion to prove itself the "one true religion," and that is, if its ancient prophecies are suddenly coming true, en masse, just as prophesied.
The last 70 years of human history have marked the fulfillment of many Biblical prophecies - the restoration of Israel as a sovereign nation, the rise of Islam, the death of Christian morality, the persecution of Christian beliefs, the alignment of the world's armies in perfect order for one final conflict in the Middle East.
I also like the way the Christian God introduced himself to mankind. "I am that I am." I mean, why would God have a name? Our parents name us. Without parents, we would just be..."I am."
All the other "gods" on this planet have names. Suspicious. Why would they? But not the one true God. We only call him God because, well, that's our word for the supreme guy.
I could go on, there are many reasons I believe in Christianity and consider all other religions false, and they are all solid reasons. I've got not one ounce of blind faith, never wanted to believe in God. But after studying the matter for many years, I finally concluded that the most reasonable answer to that eternal question - who are we, how did we get here, and what are we supposed to do now that we're here? - is that there is a God, and he does have dealings with us, and expectations of us, and he will judge us someday.
Anyway, yeah, lots of fake religions down through history - invented by men to put other men in their power no doubt.
But also - one true religion.
If you want to learn the real truth about what's going on all around you, read The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn. It's a short book. pic related
You are a spiritual being temporarily contending with a physical reality - NOT vice versa.
at least someone caught on but more than anything it shows how ancient this debate is its pointless to argue about god since every rock has probably been overturned. us degenerates won't be coming up with anything new in this post
>>69953902
>agree with religious post.
>ID says Lucifer.
What do?
>>69952618
>he doesn't believe that Jesus wasn't a historical person
Do you believe in Hitler Diaries too?
>>69947078
I know my religion is true because the jews told me it was tr... THOSE LITTLE FUCKERS
>>69953863
>If he did everything for you then you would have no free will and therefor could not be guilty of sin since he would be the one who made you sin.
That's so dumb. If God didn't give you free will he wouldn't have a rational for throwing you in hell?
Good.
>>69952360
well... now that you've confessed your heresy the only thing left is to separate your soul from your body with cleansing fire.
>>69952804
>atheist don't have to believe
What?
That's possible?
>muh lack of belief
Yeah. That's why do you say that reality is material only and other unproven shit by your own standards.
>>69947078
Different sects of Christianity largely believe that the other sects still meet the criteria for salvation. I'll raise two points. Christianity is the most popular religion in the world. Christianity is not based on the hallucinations of a warmongering pedophile.
>>69947680
1. Prove that atheism is false.
2. Even if atheism is false, all that would prove is that a god or gods exists. Prove to me why that god has to be the god of your religion.
>>69954299
At BEST Jesus was an amalgam of all the RAMPANT Street preachers of the day. But answer this. Jesus did super amazing things, right? Fed a bunch of people with very little, healed the sick, raised a dude from the DEAD walked on water, rose himself from the dead.All very amazing things n doubt. BUT....why are there no scrolls, paintings, pottery, statues, tablets, hieroglyphics, pictograms.ANYTHING at all from the time from the people there at that time..like maybe the ROMANS? not one corner of one tablet has been found that corroborates ANY of it. And MUCH MUCH older events do have outside sources and forms of posterity to prove that they happened...Why not there? Now when you ask yourself, what is more likely? Is it more likely that those things happened but NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON thought it was prudent to make a record of it..Or...maybe none of it happened.
>>69955240
Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD, includes two references to the biblical Jesus in Books 18 and 20.
>>69956102
Roman historian Tacitus referred to 'Christus' and his execution by Pontius Pilate in his Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44.
>>69955240
>At BEST Jesus was an amalgam of all the RAMPANT Street preachers of the day
I used to believe that. But no. Jesus was an indivual preacher.
>Jesus did super amazing things, right? Fed a bunch of people with very little, healed the sick, raised a dude from the DEAD walked on water, rose himself from the dead.All very amazing things n doubt.
Almost ALL historical literature of that era is plagued with mythic and fantastic stories. That doesn't make a problem or make the sources invalid. For that historians have a tool called "Critical reading"
>why are there no scrolls, paintings, pottery, statues, tablets, hieroglyphics, pictograms.ANYTHING at all from the time from the people there at that time..like maybe the ROMANS
Palestine in that era was a shithole. Romans where don't interested on it.
And also they don't have a lot of records about Hannibal, and that fucker almost destroyed Rome.
>Why not there? Now when you ask yourself, what is more likely? Is it more likely that those things happened but NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON thought it was prudent to make a record of it..Or...maybe none of it happened.
Simply. Men of that era sucked doing historical records. We don't have a lot of chronicles and books of that era compared with middle ages or other eras.
My guess is you aren't familiarized with ancient and classical history. We don't have proof of Socrate or Hannibal, but mostly references, who are consistent one with another. In comparison, Jesus was super documented with the standards of that era.
I'm not even a Christian.
>>69951013
The rest of the arabian peninsula is what he should really be referring to. Medina in Spain is only named as such because of the millennia-long rule of the muslims
>>69952278
Prove the historicity of the resurrection without appealing to information derived from the bible.
Protip: You can't
There isn't even enough evidence to prove that there was a historical Jesus. Let alone that he was buried in a tomb guarded by roman soldiers for no reason. Let alone that the stone was rolled back and Jesus' body went missing. Let alone that Jesus was later seen alive.
All of that information comes from the bible. The same bible that claims that when Jesus resurrected, so did a fuck ton of other people who just went wandering about appearing to people. You'd think the Romans would write that down.
>inb4 you start naming scholars who believe that there was a historical Jesus
The point is that there isn't enough evidence to prove it. I personally believe there probably was a historical Jesus for the same reasons Christopher Hitchens did. Because of the lie about the Roman census in order to place Jesus in Bethlehem in order to fulfill a prophecy. Had they simply wanted to manufacture Jesus from whole cloth they wouldn't need that fabrication. They could have just said Jesus was from Bethlehem from the start. The lie only seems necessary if they already had a Jesus of Nazareth and had to make the prophecy fit.
>>69947078
wtf how do your nipples rust
>>69947078
>Protestants
>Christian
apex kek
>>69955038
Prove to me your hand is actually attached to your arm, and that it's not an illusion projected to your brain which is actually floating dis-embodied in a vat.
Apatheism is a religion too
The truth claims that religion make are mostly garbage, but that doesn't mean they can't serve a purpose.
>>69952360
Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Joseph Campbell was pretty based, though for me, The Masks of God was a big of a slog-through; Daniel Boorstin's "The Creators" might interest you.
>>69956742
Wow, solipsism. How's that philosophy 101 course going for you?
>>69949081
I don't believe that.
I'm a die hard atheist and think religion is fucking retarded, but I don't think the "average person" is smart enough to be moral without an imaginary sky daddy.
>>69956899
>lolsolipsosm
If you want to do that - lolatheism.
You sure proved your point.
>>69957015
You have a very poor understanding of what Christians and Muslims believe in when they refer to God.
>>69957015
>I don't think the "average person" is smart enough
Arrogance classic of an Atheist.
“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
You know, it's kind of funny/sad that babies are more in tune with the nature of reality than most adults. We come in caring about nothing more than who we have and being comfortable. Society shifts our perspective into what we have and what we don't have. Comfort morphs into desire and greed, and then when you're finally about to die you see the light and collapse back into caring about nothing more than who you have had and being comfortable. It is the cycle of the universe. Growth, to decay, to growth in decay, it is the true lynchpin and underlying meaning of this reality.
One step towards becoming enlightened is that one must be able to accept negative events the same as the positive. What is negative for your being is always positive for another, and vice versa. It is this balance that allows the cycle of the universe to continue infinitely.
Positive and negative are ultimately constructs, same perspective with a different bias.
>>69956102
>>69956244
Both of which occurred decades after the event. It wasn't first or even second-hand accounts. And most likely based on prophecy anyway.
>>69957015
In a functioning society, morality is instilled regardless of the religion. Kohlberg's theory of moral development is probably completely correct as far as the relationship between moral development and society is concerned.
The vital component then is what moral framework makes up this society and what a person will have to do in order to be 'moral' within it; this is why non-tribal Christian societies are so much more operatively different than Islamic ones, despite the several ways that their origins are similar.
>>69957355
por vou
>>69957623
If i were able to go to heaven and bring down god you still wouldn't believe it. I wish you luck on your journey. I hope some day you find something you believe in.
2 Cor 4:3-5
"3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake.…
Cross References"
>>69947078
Shit load of ancient religions, forged from cultures seperated by land and water, all say the same thing. you think this proves them wrong somehow.
wew. learn to read between lines
>>69947078
prove that there is no god
>>69957965
>If i were able to go to heaven and bring down god you still wouldn't believe it.
what? of course he would. everyone would. But...you can't. Now, why is that?
>>69957015
It is true organized religion helped mold ethos of humanity, but the core concepts have long since been adopted into societies at a base level.
Organized religion has overstayed it's welcome by about 1400 years, and humanity/society will not reach the next level while being hamstrung to old beliefs that have no footing in the present.
>>69948608
Catholicism has close ties with buttfucking 9 year olds after choir practice, what's your point? Kikes suck off baby dicks after circumcision and mudslimes are inbred as fuck and are violent savages. All religion is bullshit and all that sand nigger Abrahamic garbage is no exception
>>69958182
whats the next level faggot? automated cars that only drive where the government allows them to drive?
Your fantasy that we are moving FORWARD towards some end game is retarded and assumes a shit load more than religion ever did.
>>69958084
>Le fedora meme
Shouldn't you be kissing mudnigger feet with your pope?
>>69957862
I like you anon. I'm going to save that.
>>69957353
Not an argument.
>>69957283
Went to Catholic school my whole life. Try me.
>>69958182
I don't think we abolish religion, I think we change it.
If you went back in time a thousand years and talked about how Jews are okay with gays in the future, they'd look at you like you were a fucking retard.
I think we just have to spark the next change.
>>69958327
what are you talking about? You think im Catholic or something?
Im simply saying that you mistake the image for the real thing. Words are just simplifications, of course religious texts are not meant to be taken literally. They illustrate something that words cant do justice. that does not mean they are wrong.
You think because we have ipads now that there is no place for the one thing our species has used since its inception. Im laughing thats all.
>>69958100
The only "god" that exists in this universe is energy.
>>69957965
I don't believe religion friend, I have been freed of that yoke thanks to God, but thanks for your concern.
>>69950799
They dont realise that the new new testament not have been writen yet , and that small desert dot spread too billions worldwide
>>69958553
It's a word for word copy of a creepypasta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XicS1JuPaeY
sorry mate
>>69958553
Andy Weir, the guy that wrote: "The Martian" is the author.
>>69949081
Then the atheists show up and suddenly "is it okay to fuck my 4 year old sister and my dog?" question becomes valid.
I'm not religious but atheists are fucking cancer
Be Orthodox, be saved
>>69958926
Lol, why would you assume that because someone is an Atheist that they would be pedo?
>>69958292
>Your fantasy that we are moving FORWARD towards some end game is retarded and assumes a shit load more than religion ever did.
Everything in this universe is cyclical, anon, and we are definitely not at the pinnacle yet.
We are hamstrung by time, which means we are always going to be moving forward whether you like it or not. Though the "forward" might not contain the progress you're seeking.
>>69952031
>it is the last hour;
what did he mean with that if he wrote that 2k years ago
>>69959033
Because until the great fedora awakening, pedophilia was universally agreed to be fucked up, now we have shit like 40 year old transtoddlers and its easy to blame atheists because they're usually brave fedoras
>>69959133
Jesus also said that those standing before him, would not taste death before he returned....This was after the resurrection, when he spoke to his disciples for the last time. He was directly speaking of the second coming, so according to Jesus he should have been back 2000 years ago.
>>69947078
>any religion
>not just a coping mechanism
grow up op, not everyone deserves atheism
>>69947078
I'd wager that those 40k sects of Christianity all share one commonality - that being the divinity of jesus christ
>>69959238
Yeah, that Canadian dude? Still tho, is there any actual data on the increase in pedophilia and trans gay etc behavior? Or is it just so plastered everywhere now, that it seems rampant?
>>69947078
Has your deity appeared on toast? Thought not you cunt
>>69953214
Things just have to happen as it is .
It is gods law ,you die and you are not a piece of shit ,you go to heaven. For god nothing else matters then this rule
>>69959109
Your idea of 'forward' is technology. Thats it. You think technology is worth sacrificing every single bit of societal foundation we have created over centuries after centuries. Technology is only something that makes life easier for you, and thats all you seek. You will do what you are told, when you are told. You will think what you are told, when you are told. You are intellectually weak, counting on others to do the hard work for you while you cling to science as if you practiced it at all.
>Everything is cyclical
so what makes you think you know which is the up and which is the down? you dont. you just assume a bunch of shit and then laugh at mankinds greatest philosophical texts to make yourself feel better about your own life.
time to grow up now.
My sister just identified as a Buddhist Catholic Quaker, I shit you not.
>>69959871
Well you can be Buddhist/whatever, technically.
>>69953214
>Thinking evil is something external to god (the eternal all).
quit defining god as "the good guy" and maybe you will start to understand.
>>69959953
I mean yea, but all 3, c'mon.
Also, there's no god.
>>69959238
>Because until the great fedora awakening, pedophilia was universally agreed to be fucked up
Might want to open up some history books m8
>>69953902
>The last 70 years of human history have marked the fulfillment of many Biblical prophecies - the restoration of Israel as a sovereign nation, the rise of Islam, the death of Christian morality, the persecution of Christian beliefs, the alignment of the world's armies in perfect order for one final conflict in the Middle East.
citation needed
i just got into christ stuff myself but am still skeptical about it ...the persecution of Christian beliefs, this happend all the time when romans ruled
>>69960142
Exactly, God is not good, God is not bad. God is just God.
Read the Bible, pray, and see what God says to you
>>69947078
God is simply the greatest being in the universe.
By definition, god does exist.
We just don't know who or what it is.
>>69956681
>There isn't even enough evidence to prove that there was a historical Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5EjA-JNiVk
fuck right off faggot
>>69953902
This is such convoluted horse shit. Ok suppose God exists and had his divine presence influence the authors of the bible. He wants to reveal Himself using prophesies.
Why not claim an actual specific event? Why not reveal some great mathematic truth in science that is thousands of years advanced?
I'll tell you why. It's because this stuff is desert nomad mysticism.
>>69947078
Hot damn, those are some juicy gas tanks.
>>69960698
Did you just stop reading my post halfway through?
>>69947078
Religion is like language.
There was a time when Latin was synonymous with the understanding of life and the natural world.
If Latin was destroyed while it was the major language the world would have descended into chaos.
Religion will continue to exist until the people are offered something better.
And eternal salvation instead of eternal damnation for nothing more than having "faith" is hard to beat.
Embrace chaos and prey on small animals.
>>69952928
Essentially Ya, religion is 100% comfy factor.
>>69947078
I worship the Grey god, god of chaos and order, god of good and evil, god of everything and nothing in particular.
The gods used to be a rainbow, ares, posidon, hades, dionysus, a god for every color of the rainbow, like when light shines through a prism
Then god became that light, and satan is the darkness, that is god and the devil, good versus evil, but this is not true monotheism
A monotheistic god would be grey, both good and evil, he's kinda a bro, kinda an asshole, pretty cool guy tho. Seek him and he will love you sometimes.
This is a really simple argument, but the grey god is the true god, and he really wishes we weren't this retarded
>>69959352
no he was not he said some of you standing here will not taste dead before seeing heaven . and then he showed a couple of guys heaven a few days later
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
>see
next verse
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
>>69960926
yeah stopped reading after that because it is usualy nonsense after that
>>69961518
In these passages Jesus is explicit about his return. He said that he would return riding the clouds with angels to judge the world and that with the sound of a trumpet he would send his angels to gather his chosen ones from the Earth. This would be no secret, invisible or “spiritual” event. Instead, the whole world would see him in the sky just the whole world sees the light of the sun. This was to happen some time during the generation of those to whom he was speaking. To make it clear to his listeners that this event would not be in the distant future, he told them that some of them who were there listening to him would still be alive to see it.
“But Jesus kept silent and the high priest said to Him, “I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God.” Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.“” (Matthew 26: 63, 64)
This passage is from the story of Jesus’ trial. Jesus tells the high priest that he would see him return riding on the clouds.
>>69961804
Then you missed the part where I answered your objection before you made it.
>>69962049
>Matthew 26: 63, 64
that is a tricky one
>>69949936
I have no argument against them so uh.. fat guys wearing hats xD!!!! That'll show them right guys!
>>69947078
My god is actually real.
My god sustains most life on Earth.
I can actually see my god.
My religion was one of the if not the first monotheistic religion.
All other monotheistic religions were inspired or copied from my religion.
Feels good.
>>69962510
Its not a puzzle to be solved friend..It's just a story to be seen. Much like the talkies of today. Pretty sure 10k years from now or so, there will be some fool with a collection of Harry Potter books..and well there you go, Wizard is a religion.
>>69962901
Son, why are you so bright?
>>69947078
My God beat some pagan faggot "god" to the ground.
>>69962901
Oh shit anon, how do I into seeing God??
With increased education and access to information people will choose their own specific blend of beliefs which make the most sense and those that don't will stop being forced onto people, there may be a few exceptions but most of the world will probably go down this path. Institutionalized state religions may increasingly become a thing of the past unless you consider secularism or atheism a religion.
>>69962962
it is actualy ,the bible is not just a book you read the bible is a book you read and have to understand. the bible wants you to think, that is why jesus used parables. it is like no other book . however i am sceptical and a lot of verses point that his second comming was soon
so if the bible was a book to control people why fuck up a prophecy this bad .
>>69959816
>Your idea of 'forward' is technology
that's the only thing humanity can improve upon that other life on this planet can't.
technology is the only real separating factor between us and plants, animals, bugs, etc.
ants and fungus both, for example, have more functioning and connected societies than we do.
weening ourselves away from hundreds of sky fairies that exist only to validate the suffering in the world and to polarize people against each other, won't magically collapse what we've learned.
I assume nothing, I've seen it. I've also studied the major literature from all of the world's popular religions, from catholicism to taoism, islam to jainism. you will learn the truth too once you die.
>>69963129
Just put sunglasses on and look at sun. He's been there all along.
>>69947221
This 1000x
>>69947078
>40,000 sects of Christianity alone
There is only one true church
>be me
>raised up with ultra Catholic family
>went full edgy atheist for a while
>then became normal atheist for a while (the kind where you don't think about religion, not the banana kind)
>found what I guess could be considered religion again after a series of super intense dreams I had while camping in the woods.
I have zero proof that my "religion" is the right one, in fact it is a thousand times more likely that I fell asleep on some kind of psychoactive plant, but it helps me make sense of the world, and it feels like it has made me a better person. I'm not even some kind of hippy, despite how this sounds.
>>69960401
make more videos pls
>>69952111
Lmao. He insults religion but he believes this.
WE WAS KANGZ
>>69947078
My religion is right because I came up with it myself.
>>69947078
fuck whatever you said, what's with the metal nipples?
>>69963705
Good question. I've read it twice, front to back in about 2 weeks both times. I was a Baptist deep south baptist all of my life. In fact, until I was 12 I thought Christianity was the only religion in the world, not the only TRUE religion, but simply the only one that existed. Imagine my surprise. So I started asking questions, so many and so much so they just told me to read the bible. So here I am 12 years old, happily about to embark on a journey to find God, I loved to read anyway, so it wasn't a big deal...I did skip over the so and begat so and so part. So I read it, just knowing the word or essence of God was gonna pop out, that I was going ti be filled with something.....nope. I was bored and confused, all it did was make me ask even more questions until finally I didn't have to go to church anymore. They said I could stay home. this was 14-15. So I did. Then a few more years after that, I gave it another go, just as bored, not confused anymore. Ever since I have in my own way been looking for God, then I realized you can't, God has to find you. And one day God did.
The bible and religion no longer had a hold me and my mind and heart were finally free and at peace. I'm certainly not finished in my journey, however, I have come far and further than religion could have ever allowed me too. religion was the control to keep us from finally being one with God. Religion is the lie to take us further from God.
>>69947078
the best always prevails
>>69964426
>found what I guess could be considered religion again after a series of super intense dreams I had while camping in the woods.
Just like all your prophets.
>>69949817
I classified myself as an atheist for years, but never spoke of it in public. There's a strong, embarrassing social stigma that comes with the dogma.
I think a lot of modern atheists come from a disbelief in the perpetually translated and adjusted holy texts of old. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism have all been apparently hijacked by men who use the threat of eternal damnation for personal gain, and turning your back on institutional corruption can feel like an absence of God in the eyes of a growing person. It's hard to scrutinize your teachers when they're the only ones you've ever had.
On a personal note, I've since comes to terms with the existence of a higher power, but I don't think it has a will that hasn't already been fulfilled. I fail to see how justice, and subsequently judgement, could exist to something omnipresent.
There's my post for the month.
>>69964426
Pinneal gland is a helluva drug.
>>69950374
>Mathematical odds prove Ayy lmaos are real
Mathematical speculation is by no means evidence you retarded infant.
improbable!=impossible
>>69950374
Sorry for referring to you as a retarded infant, I mistook this thread for /b/.
Uncivil remarks such as that have no place in a political forum
>god
lol
>>69965012
I hear you , i was raised a atheist and been so my whole life until i was 30 . I discovered god was real so i bought a bible and when i was done with it i was back to being a atheist for years Until i was watching some christfags you tube and he was talking about some bible verse, so i took my bible again and started to see it a whole diffrent way, now i am just trying to find truth in the bible because the christfag religion just makes the most sense to me.
>>69947221
I preferred Douglas Adams' take on that concept
>>69965741
Not that guy but:
While prove is a bad word to use, it is an almost certainty that aliens exist, even intelligent ones, even if life is incredibly rare. There are trillions of trillions of stars in the universe (this is actually an understatement).
>>69966520
I've noticed that people raised atheists tend to convert, if not just for a while, but people raised religious that become atheistic hardly ever go back. Look the OT some of that stuff actually did happen, there are outside sources for many of the events and places, of course, it most likely did not happen as spectacularly as it was presented, or who knows maybe it did and there is an actual nonsupernatural explanation for it. The NT tho, it is a complete fabrication based on many many stories, even the prophecy in the Torah that supports it is not a new story. Now does this mean then there is some truth to it? Perhaps, but not in a supernatural way. Or it could simply mean the same thing that we have to contend with today when it comes to our entertainment, in that there are no new ideas. The same ones keep getting repeated, partly because people like them, but also because coming up with original content is decidedly hard, and if it works it quickly gets appropriated and becomes old news. But from I know so far, all I can confidently tell you with absolute certainty is, God is real, what who where or how God is, is so far beyond our comprehension right now, that it is better just accepting the reality of God, because we have no hope of truly understanding God right now. And to think that we possibly could is wildly presumptuous.
>>69966907
This is really wrong. There's no evidence at all other than "the universe is huge." There's absolutely no numbers for the likely hood of life forming regardless of how big the universe is. You can't make any assumption with only half the equation, and if you do, it's completely unscientific.
>>69952111
Literally ancient aliens tier nonsense. Link us the best evidence (in your opinion) in favor of this idea, mr. trips.
>>69966907
While not something that should be surprising, you cannot honestly say certainty
>>69950799
what's that
>>69967418
Not necessary Ancient aliens, I never said that..but here for example, the bell I was talking about. I guess it was 3 million years.So yeah this bell was found inside a huge lump of coal in 1944. How it got there no one knows. There is lots of stuff on OOPARTS I find it fascinating, and whether or not true, to me doesn't really matter. But the mystery of it is irresistible. It even opens up the possibility to seriously entertain time travel. Maybe we don't see too many Time travelers nowadays because it would affect them too much, but going back millions of years would not be as catastrophic.
>>69968000
I guess it would help for the pic no?
>>69968049
How about providing the source where you found the pic instead?
>>69968529
I used Images because I had seen it before, but here is the site, http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Flintstones.htm I wouldn't go off it too much, just google OOPARTS bell if you want to learn more specifically about the bell, there are however hundreds of artifacts that fit into the category.
Religion only exists today precisely because it is a control structure that provides the masses with a reason for the state of their existence. It exists because humans have to believe that there is some higher power dictating the events in their lives because this is far easier than accepting that they themselves are at fault for their faults and successes.
It is this powerlessness that breeds the most subservient goy.
>>69947078
Whenever I see rusty screws I always imagine biting into them so my teeth are in the grooves and then twisting it so it breaks my teeth.
Is that weird?
>mfw personal gods
Christianity has been prophetic in predicting the future and is historically accurate. Said the world would go to shit after the Jews moved back to their homeland, warns of one world government/religion.
>>69969465
sure dude, just ignore everything they got wrong or things that couldn't/didn't happen, then yeah they got a lot right.
>>69969131
this is not true why are most goverments are getting rid of religion some are trying more then others
>>69954375
Hell is the absence of God. He cannot be in the presence of sin. Sin, essentially, is the antithesis of reason. God is reason. Just look at the mathematical perfection of the entire universe. There's literally a mathematical code for life/nature. Since we are created in His image, we are to be governed by reason, whereas animals are governed by instinct. It's a thinking mans religion that's been watered down by denominational sects
>>69955038
Christians have an answer for the beginning of the universe. You, however, don't. And bible prophecy is coming true right in front of our eyes
>>69957015 oh so it's just a weird coincidence that since the beginning of man we've always yearned for an understanding of the supernatural and life after death then.
>>69958182
So we should just abandon our innate lust for an understanding of God, the supernatural, life after death, etc... Sounds regressive to me
>>69949081
Without religion, morals have no inherent value, and being moral means nothing.
>>69958269
Catholicism is an authoritarian sect of Christianity and needs to be destroyed
>>69958675
Who created it then
>>69970782
The fundamental force of nature and space and time, which without would never allow for creation of nrg.
>>69970705
its not called roman christfags for nothing, romans where prety degenerate
>>69947078
>Prove to me
They can't.
>>69947078
Cannabis is the Tree of Life. Name another plant,resource or whatever else you can use to build a civilization
How about pantheism?
>>69964426
I've had those kinds of dreams too. Lots of sleep paralysis. Even went kinda skitzo for a while, would hear demonic voices and shit/ felt presence of evil. I was too scared to sleep. When that stuff would happen, the fear that overcame me wasn't comprehendable. They have stopped since I've became a Christian and demanded that the demons leave my life by the power of Jesus Christ. Demons are real and they will infect you (not the same as possession). Planting thoughts that you think our yours in your head, shit like that. If you believe in the astral plane (spiritual realm, where our dreams occur), then you should know that that's where our subconscious basically takes place. The thought realm. Demonic creatures live there, and will torment you. It's even referenced Biblically.
>>69970608
Of course not, the curiosity is what drives us to keep going.
Spirituality is an intensely personal thing, someone else can't tell you how you feel or what you feel, only you can. Guiding is helpful, but organized religion as it is, is not about guidance or understanding, it is about assimilation, manipulation, and polarization.
>>69970678
Pain and empathy alone are inherent enough values for morality.
These values exist with or without religion.
>>69947078
I worship BANEbdjedet, a five thousand year old deity of male fertility (big guys) with four ewe (FOR YOU) heads
obviously he is real from being able to manifest in modern day via baneposting and warping reality like the crash of flight 4U9525 with no survivors in les-Bains (he was also referred to as the lord of the sky)
more evidence than any other religion, christfags and atheists btfo
>>69971587
he got goat heads looks like you got deceived by satan again
>>69947078
Religion is a side effect of our ability for abstract thought. We can use abstract thought to put ourselves into other people's shoes, to understand what they think of us. We can create a virtual person with thoughts, feelings, motivations and combine that with our pattern recognition that searches for meaning in everything and out springs God.
It's like bigfoot. Every group of people has a bigfoot myth. Sasquatch, wendigo, abominable snowman, etc. It comes from the fear of the dark, fear of strangers, fear of animals that all combine into this large, human like, furry creature with unknown intentions that no one ever sees, but only hears in the woods at night.
>>69970844
>the fundamental force of snaps, nature, time
Uhh.. God maybe?
>>69971587
He's a demon, stupid
>>69971587
Large men usually have fertility problems and erectile dysfunction actually, but you know what I mean, its probably why you are so obsessed with mythology.
>>69969131
Maybe something like Catholicism/ other religious sects. But people manipulating holy books to use for their own benefit doesn't negate the teachings of the book. If what you're getting at is religion=bad, spirituality=good, then I agree. Although I'm still a Christian.
>>69970844
>Goldsmith
>trying to get us to abandon religion and culture
Pol was right again
I wish I was religious tbqh. Can someone make a new religion that's not bullshit and is observation based? Like a moral guideline that doesn't have contradictions. Also please don't let it be globalist.
>>69947078
>All claimed to be the truth the light and the way (paraphrasing)
proof? as far as i know Christianity is the only religion with all encompassing consequences. Greeks for instance would have had so many Gods it would be ok for them to also incorporate foreign deities such as some indian or norse if they encountered them.
>>69971872
leave us out of this burger its only you with blair witch ,jersey devil bigfoot
>>69972511
You have to find your own answers, anon.
>>69972785
Consider yourself lucky you don't have sasquach where you live
>>69970201
Christians have a hypothesis.
Anyone can have a hypothesis. They're literally worthless.
The universe got shat out of a giant pig.
There's another hypothesis for you.
Without substantiation it's just a fucking guess. Good job, you know how to guess.
Bible prophecies are dildos. They're all demonstrably false, vague as fuck, or unfulfilled.
>>69947221
I can roll with this. Honestly I'm an Apatheist. I will try to be a decent human being for the sake of being a good person. If that is enough to get me into heaven than that's nice, if God sends me to hell for not worshiping him than he's a dick who doesn't deserve worship. Honestly though heaven and hell sound equally awful, I would prefer reincarnation.
>>69972511
A new religion would be inherently fake because it was just made up. Pick one with some substance. If you're looking morals and value alone and not truth then Buddhism would work for you but it also automatically makes a faggot if you're a white American
>>69948608
what, using logic and reasoning via hegelian dialectic to explain that currency is merely an abbreviation of the compositional fallacies inherent in commodity fetishism triggers you?
>>69973171
Other way around, buddhism is more about truth than morality.
>>69972944
I agree that I should have my own convictions and morals, but I wish there was a religion I could truly identify with so I could have a community of like minded people easily.
A certain sect of /pol/ IRL would be great.
>>69973171
>but it also automatically makes a faggot if you're a white American
Yeah... It also feels nihilistic and pacifist.
>>69947221
>True or not isn't important.
>
>What is important is the magic of memes.
>>69973461
>A certain sect of /pol/ IRL would be great.
Honestly eastern orthodox Christianity would be the closest. Christian and based as fuck. The patriarch recently declared all out war on "global heresy." It's essentially Christians who still want to kill degeneracy instead of kiss it's feet
>>69947078
The amount of progress we've made on the Big Bang in the last 50 years I can see the start of the complete death of religion in the next 50.
>>69973759
/pol/ isn't a Christian board you just convinced yourself it is
>>69973759
>>69973461
Read this
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/orthodox-patriarch-church-must-combat-unprecedented-global-heresy-that-clai
>>69947078
Those look like nipples, dude. Is this subliminal advertisement for your thread to achieve mor (you)'s?
>>69973846
Yes it is. You can say it's not as much as you'd like, you'll still be wrong. Much like America is a Christian country no matter how many atheists it has getting mad at the fact.
>>69973774
Are yoy aware the big bang theory was started by a priest? And that nothing about it disproves religion?
>>69953902
The God of the Jews has a name dumb fuck.
>>69973988
>nothing about it disproves religion?
It just proves religion is not literal, but you still think the metaphor can be valid as long as it is consistent with BBT?
>>69973988
Your all powerful God told you nothing on the real origins of the universe. I can't believe you still buy into this shit. And yes that priest was based as fuck. Anyone can discover theorizes things.
>>69973868
That's powerful. I've actually looked into Orthodox churches around me before, and being in a certain part of Texas they're quite rare. The closest one to me is the size of a small house with what looks like a couple dozen members.
But I guess it comes down to how much I want it.
Appreciate the link. I've heard that Orthodox is the most compatible version of Christianity with Nationalism and traditionalism, that sort of confirms it. Especially with how this pope has been acting lately.
>>69974241
Nothing about it proves it's not literal. All the big bang theory is is "how" things were created. Nothing about it answers "why" or "by what." Same as evolution. It only answers how it happened. It can be seen is only how God did it. Showing how the universe was created does nothing to disprove God.
Again, that's why it was created by a priest.
>>69974437
Your God told you nothing of dark matter, the billions of other galaxies out there, that he decided to inflate the expansion of space past the speed of light for a brief moment in the beginning. Does he have no faith that you could understand it? We seem to be understanding it just fine now.
>>69953902
>All the other "gods" on this planet have names. But not the one true God.
You realize Allah just means "God" for Muslims, and the God you worship is called YHWH. You also have the father son and holy spirit.
>>69974402
Orthodoxy is very close to the original origins of the religion, where catholicism has had many reforms and is constantly changing. It also has less extravagance and gold and jewels and stuff compared to catholicism which I like. The negative is that it's usually very much tied to the state (at least in eastern Europe) so it can be seen as being manipulative.
I was born catholic though and something doesn't feel right about converting so it's where I'll remain.
>>69974437
Most religions, specifically Abrahamic go into specific details on the exact method and order of how things were created that severely conflict with BBT evidence if taken literally.
Why are people so caught up in the idea that something had to have been 'created' at some point in time? Is there any proof that there has ever been a beginning and there will be an end? Maybe just everything has always existed and will continue to exist in different forms?
Is it because our lives are finite that we get so stuck in the mindset that the entire world around us has to begin and end at some point?
>>69974546
Well back when he was communicating with us we could barely read and write, not to mention that knowledge is ultimately not what he saw as being important for us to know. He was teaching us how to save out souls, not writing a science text book. Besides, we are obviously capable of figuring it out on our own, so why would he give us all the answers right away instead of letting us naturally uncover them on our own?
>>69974664
There's no way to study anything that happened before the Big Bang so we have to leave those questions unanswered until we discover new ways to observe the early universe
>>69974664
The Religious idea of creation has no basis, but science points to creation. Knowing the current speeds and distances to galaxies, coupled with the rate at which the universe is accelerating, allows us to calculate how long it took for them to reach their current locations. The answer is about 14 billion years. The second method involves measuring the ages of the oldest star clusters
>>69974658
Do they? How specific are we talking about here? You expect Jesus to preach about protons and neutrons and quarks to poor lepers in the desert and expect them to focus on that and write it down?
