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What would be your ideal system of Government?
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>>69922945
one revised every 100 years to add more oversight and accountability
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>>69922945
whatever works at the time
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>>69922945

The original Constitution and system created by our Founding Fathers..

Which we don't have today, but should. I miss those times when only the land-owning white male could vote.

That's when America wasn't autistic.
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>>69922945
Magic machine that picks the best person to have absolute power.
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AI hive-mind with robots designated to watch and assist/guard everyone. One robot per individual, 24/7 presence.

The robots would be cute 3d anime girls, of course
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>>69922945
Closed border libertarianism(not ancap, just minimal government) in a homogeneous white country.
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A happy place where everybody gets their brain's stapled.
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>>69923229
What are you going to do about degeneracy?
Federalism > Libertarianism
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Totalitarianism with small government along with economic national libertarianism.

Effectively the government legislates morality and continuously works to improve the gene pool of man, it is law&border, defense and the like.

Just the essentials that man needs to be strong and improve.

It should be autocratic and meritocratic as this is simply better.

The economy should be as Free as possible however ban industries that are bad for the character of the nation such as the porn industry and tobacco.

Instate a military culture, privatize as much as possible.

And one idea I am working on to phase out taxation is a limited form of state capitalism, basically the government would compete with private industries and charge a price equal to that of the free market adjusting as it sees fit.

Eventually these industries which aren't nationalized but made by the government and are not free would eventually do the whole funding of the government. Meaning we would no longer require any taxes of any kind.

I personally want to develop this idea of limited state capitalism in a fascist libertarian society more.
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>>69922945
Anarcho-Christian + Agorism + Free Markets
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>>69923391
I don't know the difference between the two, but I think a society without social programs and gender diversity quotas pressures the women into a more traditional role, and churches become a central part of the community for things like charity in place of welfare.

That's mainly my favorite part of libertarianism.

redpill me on federalism
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>>69922945
technocratic minarchy, with isolationist immigration laws
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>>69923742
What our country was supposed to be.
A Federal government with a clearly defined role to protect the borders and regulate actual trade between the states
States would then be be left to do their own things and people could vote with their feed
You can live in a DUDE WEED state a theocracy or something completely different
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Federal constitutional republic
checks and balances, especially between populists and elitists
mixture of proportional and majoritarian electoral methods
common law
"negative liberty" based constitutional rights

USA 3 and a half of those things. could be worse
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A Technocracy where only the best experts in their respective fields could rule.
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>>69924106
I like the sound of that, it definitely fits the US a lot more with our diversity. Would make it a lot easier to segregate into states with like minded people.
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>>69924443
>>69923939
Technocracy is reddit tier pseudo intellectual garage
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>>69924579

What's your alternative then, smartarse?
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>>69924503
The problem with some libertarians is how statis they are on 'liberty' they want to enforce their ideas about government on people living 1000s of miles away from them
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>>69923742
>pressures the women into a more traditional role, and churches become a central part of the community for things like charity in place of welfare.
This.
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>>69922945
Monarchy
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>>69924877
I already said Federalism
A Technocracy cannot answer questions of morality or what the purpose and goals of society are

Its just
>hurr des people are really smart let's let them run our lives
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>>69923742
Federal- California bans potato chips but Texas does not, you move to Texas
Unitary- United States bans potato chips, you have to leave the country

Also you run into problems like-- Alabama doenst need taxpayer money for snow plows but North Dakota does. Nevada thinks there is nothing wrong with gambling, North Carolina does. If youre in a large country its stupid to expect everyone to be on the same page. Federalism allows for flexibility and "laboratories of democracy".

Obviously if youre Singapore or Denmark you dont need federalism
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None , since im an ancap .
Although if I had to choose, it'd probably be monarchy. Much more stable and accountable than tyranny of the majority wait I mean""""""democracy"""""
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>>69925202
>Obviously if youre Singapore or Denmark you dont need federalism
You can still apply the basic concepts of local government to them
Live in a rural area with no services = pay very little taxes
Live in a city with parks schools police and fire = pay high taxes
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>>69924998
Times change, government should respond as such. Also government shouldnt be run by inbred people, executive power should derive from the masses not some swampy bitch

If you are suggesting constitutional monarchy with the monarch being head of state but not head of government then help yourself.
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Communism in it's purist form would be best. Capitalism is, at best, failure of a system that produces results other than separation between the poor and the rich. A capitalist society would revert back to feudalism within seconds.
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>>69925534
what about an elective monarchy?
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Monarchy is the only system that really makes any sense. And I don't mean Parliamentary Monarchy like GB has, I mean, a fucking king, with the last word on everything.

There's a reason /pol/tards have (subconsciously) detected a bit of a monarch in Donald Trump - because they know that if he becomes President, "President" will suddenly be a more powerful position. Trump will show his power level (probably - these waters are yet untested) by vetoing any legislation he doesn't like, forcing Congress to play ball his way.

And there's nothing wrong with that. That's how things get done. One man, right or wrong, his place in history on the line - decisions get made, agendas get completed, wars get fought to win, walls get built, deals get made. You just have to make sure you've got the right man.

Full-on, hereditary monarchy with no caveats - that's what works. The British Empire is strong evidence that it works - an empire that only started falling apart as the monarchy weakened.
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>>69924998
Monarchy only works when the ruler is good. When you throw the die you don't always get sixes.
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>>69925449
City managers and local exeucitives of course but at some point theres a threshold that while it looks good on paper the districts are too small to run themselves and it makes more sense to have them run under the direction of, and appointed by a central government. We cant have every neighborhood with its own bureaucracy.
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>>69925737
needs some kind of accountability, check on that kind of power. So either you have terms of office (making him/her presidency) or give a legislature impeachment power (making him/her prime minister).
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There should be some kind of revolution every now and then to replace the rulers who stop giving a fuck about the interests of the country because they softened in their cushy jobs.
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A monarch where the king acts as a sort of president. Monarchs are encouraged to marry high IQ people to have smart children and not inbred.
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>>69926037
>We cant have every neighborhood with its own bureaucracy.
HOAs
inb4 people that live under shitty HOAs
a neighborhood can decide they want to collectively pay for a pool or a gym
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>>69922945
Democracy. Because if you have a bad king or general running things the individual can do little to stop them, but in a democracy you can change your leader to suit your nations needs, without resorting to the bloodshed of revolution or coup. Sure you are going to get bad democratic leaders but they have a set time limit and then a hopefully more competent person can clean up their mess.
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>>69926513
What if your leaders import millions of retards that will vote for them?
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>>69922945
Socialism without third world immigrants, as in, hispanics, blacks, and arabs. Their genetic tendencies make them unsuitable for socialism.
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I think we should genetically engineer our leaders to be smart, fit, and handsome. They should be male and raised from birth to lead. They should be formally schooled in philosophy, religions, and sciences. And when formally elected by we the people, answerable to no one.
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>>69926513
Fuck off Wen-li you fucking chinese hack, what do you know of such things
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>>69926773
>religions
>s
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>>69925844
>Full-on, hereditary monarchy with no caveats - that's what works.
But it's inevitable to get a total power-tripping shithead who doesn't care about the masses, what then?
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>pseudo-democrazy
>you have to pass various test or have a certain amount of education to vote
>you have group of 20-30 politicians deciding everything, with small form of hierachy
>if you want to become a policians you have to go through a shitload of tests, including shit like physical tests, securing we have the best of the best leading us
>no parties, just direct elections of these individuals
>you vote like once a month to apoint 3-5 of these council members
>they get replaced periodically (or reelected with maybe a short mandatory break) through this
>corruption of any of them is punishable by death

I don't know really.
This is just some garbage i came up with just now.
My main point is that we have way to many uneducated and uninformed retards voting and that you need a form of democrazy to stop people abusing their power
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>>69926730
I see what you did there.
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>>69926404
im fine with initiatives, referendums, local input being made. But there shouldnt be independent government at that small of a level, its inefficient. To me what you described is cooperative federalism which is fine, but i dont really consider it true federalism in sense of a nation being a union of states.
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>>69925844
You guys realize if Trump does only half of the shit he says he will get impeached and even fucking overthrown by his own military in a matter of hours?
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>>69925986
Yes , but when you throw the die in democracy , you always get 0s.
Read democracy , the god that failed by Hans Herman Hoppe, it's free on mises as PDF .

A very very condescended verision or the argument is that the king is in many ways an Entrepeneur of his country , and his people are the property of his . Thus he had a vested interest in keeping the monarchy going and debt low because it is not only his property but his children will inherit it .

Unfortunately , in democracy , the rulers are temporary caretakers , and do not care about the welfare of the country , and this is evidenced by the fact of our 18 trillion debt and how we can do nothing to convict bush for Iraq and fucking the Middle East or change the situation .
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>>69926730
Socialism and Sharia for countries that we don't get along with.
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>>69926513
you just described a republic my friend. Democracy in its raw form is 51% being legally justified in eating the other 49%, mob rule. You need constitutions, you need indirect decision making, after that you can add democratic traditions
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>>69927162
>but i dont really consider it true federalism in sense of a nation being a union of states.
I agree
I was pointing out that there are lots of bullshit small things that are better when handled at th local level
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>>69922945
The system is unimportant.
Impose a monarch on the Swiss and they will overthrow him and create democracy.
Give democracy to Arabs and they will overyhrow it and impose the dictatorship of the Prophet.
And black people, sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
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>>69926513
Democracy doesn't sound so sweet when the younger generations are being brainwashed in schools. They are being told what to think.
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>>69926672

Good point. That's one of the two inherent problems with Democracy - your elected leaders will legislate against your interests in the interests of maintaining their own power.

The other inherent problem is, people are too stupid to vote. EVERY voter in the USA is a low-information voter, because we're easily-distracted, intellectually lazy, and flooded with disinformation in the first place.

Do you really think the mistakes of an incompetent or self-serving (or special-interest-serving) legislator can be so easily undone?

Look at us after 8 years of George W. Bush and 8 years of Barrack Hussein Obama. The country is a wreck. Congress is gridlocked, the infrastructure is crumbling, UNDER-employment is at an all-time high - which of course goes hand-in-hand with mass poverty. The USA is fucked. And no, I'm not talking about the USA that the corporate-owned mainstream media is trying to convince you exists, I'm talking about the real USA.

Anyway, tl;dr? I disagree with you, Democracy can't work because a CORRUPT Democracy, which is inevitable and is what we have now, can only lead to an overall inability to get things done. This country needs a leader, not thousands of leaders all on-the-take from lobbyists.
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>>69927233
>You guys realize if Trump does only half of the shit he says he will get impeached and even fucking overthrown by his own military in a matter of hours?
You expect him to do all of it within a couple of hours?

Jokes aside, if he delivers on the wall(which there's no reason he shouldn't as it's concerning the border and security), then that alone will be enough to keep people happy.
He's not going to be overthrown by the military, in fact he has the highest support within the military.
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Representative democracy with a monarchy to oversee the operations of the government. The monarchy has absolute power but can't destroy the government unless absolutely necessary
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>>69927113
unfortunately 20-30 is too small. if you had a legislature of 600 people the chance of one being crazy or stupid is higher but also more manageable because it becomes more statistically insignificant.

Also people are unfortunately too stupid for political parties, i wish it wernt true but it is, there will always be a need for labels and thus like minded people forming coalitions.

Checks and balances are the solution. Have a democratic parliament so the retards have their voice and a technocratic senate for smart people to have a voice. If anything can get through both houses than its probably a good idea
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>>69927621
youre right, Copenhagen doesnt need to sign off on every swimming pool but i think that having each street with the power to tax is retardation
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>>69922945
>ideal system of Government
oxymoron
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>>69928143
You don't have to be in an HOA
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>>69923219
>3D
>Cute
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>>69927682
But things not getting done can be seen as a good thing. quick acting government doenst = good government.

things have never been perfect and they dont need to be
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>>69928000
>Checks and balances
Ahh yes , boy our country is so great , right ? Don't you love how it says in the consitituion that the president cant go into war without actually getting approval from congress ?

Vietnam and Iraq turned out so bad , and the judiciary never called the act unconstitutional and congress never tried to impeach Lbj / the bushes . Our love system of checks and balances that's used every day , especially for the most important things like killing other people .

So much for your piece of paper .
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Optimally for me...

Elected officials set forth bills they want to pass and debate the merits or disadvantages in public.

After a set time depending on the importance of the bill, it is held in an online referendum. If a bill was based barely, certain provisions can be adjusted to accomodate concerns, otherwise with a clear majority it is sent to a meritocratic bureaucracy.

This civil society is Independent of elected officials and exist only to draft realistic plans for bills and how best to implement it. If they cant think of any way it can be done, it is sent back to the politicans to adjust the parameters of the bill. Too many changes would require another online vote but considering the difficulty of getting a second or third version passed, it Incentives politicians to craft a realistic plan earlier rather than later.

So basically the political class is involved in drafting, debating and selling new proposals. A civil society that finds out how best to put it into motion and the general populace that gives the okay or not okay to the basic proposal.
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>>69928558
This is the problem with libertarianism, people actually have to agree with it otherwise it doesn't work. The government doesn't have enough power to prevent this downward spiral that it's in.
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>>69928558
its not the constitutions fault that people are too stupid to lash out against its dismantling. Its just a piece of paper that doesnt have the respect it used to
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Corporate Republic. Privatized police, privatized military, privatized prisons and healthcare. The government, or what little of it there is, will be limited to keeping up the infrastructure.

You're not a citizen, you're an employee of whatever corporation holds the most power and influence.
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>>69928890
And that's why I'm an ancap , for many reasons , but also because it is the nature of government to grow more leviathan and authoritative . Political power is a drug like any other .
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Everyone has a voting machine installed in their house.

Every month, everyone proposes new laws, or that old ones are repealed, and they are voted upon using the voting machines. The most popular three each month are enacted.
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>>69922945
ONLY ATHEISTS CAN HAVE GOVERNMENT JOBS, GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE AND GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP TITLES.

EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO DEAL WITH IT.

#ShakeUpWeeple
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test
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Also this may not be very free and democratic

But you should be forced to take one of those political quizzes to at least show people what's being debated right now. Before you can vote.
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>>69929768
who makes the quiz?
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>>69922945
Roman Catholic Christian monarchy
DEUS VULT
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Benevolent dictatorship under a monarchic system. Small circle of advisers allowed.
Crucial point is NO DEMOCRACY, it fucks things up
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An NGO?

It only needs to aggregate the stances of each party by topic and asks users which they feel strongest towards.

Voting doesnt occur from this but they at least get an idea of which policies they generally agree with anyways.
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>>69922945
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
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>>69923018
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>>69922945
Constitutional monarchy
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>>69930162
The most majestic string of words in the English language
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_(Huxley_novel)

>Between the Utopian and primitive horns of his dilemma would lie the possibility of sanity... In this community economics would be decentralist and Henry-Georgian, politics Kropotkinesque and co-operative. Science and technology would be used as though, like the Sabbath, they had been made for man, not (as at present and still more so in the Brave New World) as though man were to be adapted and enslaved to them. Religion would be the conscious and intelligent pursuit of man's Final End, the unitive knowledge of immanent Tao or Logos, the transcendent Godhead or Brahman. And the prevailing philosophy of life would be a kind of Higher Utilitarianism, in which the Greatest Happiness principle would be secondary to the Final End principle – the first question to be asked and answered in every contingency of life being: "How will this thought or action contribute to, or interfere with, the achievement, by me and the greatest possible number of other individuals, of man's Final End?"[1]
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>>69922945
Athenian democracy with Draconian anti corruption punishments
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>>69929768
I think it should go even further than that. Two years of civil service to earn your citizenship, a la Starship Troopers (the book)
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Military aristocracy sanctified by the holy Roman Catholic Church
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>>69930408
It's not too late. Simply apologise, and we can put the past couple of hundred years behind us.
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>>69930886
no you apologize
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>>69926513
I would rather take my chances with a dictatorship than put up with the sorry state of democracy we've seen over the last century or two.
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>>69927248

Debt in a currency you can print doesn't really matter.
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Anarcho-capitalism for me.

Aside from that, probably some kind of monarchy that would leave me be and just collect some small part of my income (like George III or Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum.)

Voting is a waste of time, so fuck democracy.
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>>69930827

Military Juntas are the shittiest type of society you can live in.

You can have your proud militarist traditions but a country ruled by Generals and Warlords in the modern era end up as shit.
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>>69931201
It still does. You can destroy the value of a currency by monetizing debt, even if you might be able to kick the can down the road.
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Batavian realm, which would be a decentralized collective of people's councils, ruled only by the mighty hand of Wodan
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>>69927248
that makes a number of assumptions about the monarch though, which a lot of the time are not borne out by experience
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>>69931314
>Military Juntas are the shittiest type of society you can live in.
Germoney is a Military Junta?
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>>69931267
>kalishnakov

lol, like we really needed another hint you're all 17 year-old edgelords.
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>>69922945
elective monarchy
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>>69931499
You'd be surprised...
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>>69931267
>He actually believes in the most intellectually bankrupt of ideologies

How does it feel to be a literal retard?
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>>69922945
Technocracy
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>>69922945
Constitutional monarchy with an elected lower house and a hereditary upper house composed of aristocracy and established national church officials. Pic related.
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>>69931314
What could possibly be worse than opening the borders for Invading barbarians to rape your women and imprisoning those who dare to resist?
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>>69922945

A monarchy that doesn't give the throne to the oldest child, but instead elects a person of noble blood to be the King for the rest of their life.

Also with a parliament that has the ability to force a new election, or take care of some smaller stuff.
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>>69931267

Ancapistan is too open to kikery in future generations and technology, although I still love the idea generally. I've listened to shit tons of Rothbard lectures and yada yada.

However such far reaching goals won't be necessary if we simply follow our constitution. No wasteful departments or wars, and a hemp/silver/gold backed currency (or a cryptometalcurrency) would be best. The biggest worry of the future is an Ancap society is to what degree do we find it moral to genetically man's food, man himself, and everything around him. Also what about AI? Couldn't one Ancapistan zone decide to unite its people under a fascist regime of AI super death bots and just go annihilating other Ancapistan areas?

Idk man it may work in a society that has no sinister interests after its been bred a few generations later (and every kike/sandnigger ousted).
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>>69923146
>I miss those times when only the land-owning white male could vote.
Yeah I'm sure you were around for them, gramps
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>>69922945
National Socialism.
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>>69931967

Being ruled by Warlord Barbarians who take everything for themselves and the people having little reasonable or realistic choice to influence political decisions?

You can forment dissent and elect politicans who can close the borders.

If a junta decides on a decision that fucks you over, you have no option or choice to stop it.
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>>69932068
like Catholicism
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>>69932162
>Esti posting natsoc posts
Everytime.
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>>69922945
I personally think our Constitutional Republic "i think thats what its called" is the best system we have. However if i could i'd give more power to voter then already exist however i'd make Federal Service type system. I'd make public capital punishment a thing, make it so you have to make certain wage to have a certain amount of children and pay a tiny "reward" fee for poor people that undergo a temporary neutering operation so they cant get impregnated. I'd also make it so politicians face harsher punishments for fucking up, for example where a normal person would get a court and a fine someone at a higher level or power would be publicly lashed, where a normal person would be publicly lashed a politician would be lynched. Lastly confirmed murderers would be experimented on, seiral killers who have tortured will be tortured themselves and muggers / thief would have a finger cut off for every offense, they may choose which finger.
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>>69932371
I only post the truth. National Socialism is the only way of life for the white man.
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>>69932433
The main strength would be in the 2 class system, Civilians and Citizens. Everyone is born a civilian and every civilian has the right to enroll to become a Citizen. Civilians have all the rights and privileges the US has already with the exception of voting.

Everyone is required to have education already, i'd either add or replace a year to high school so students are required to do some sort of local city, red-cross or military type volunteer work. However once someone is finished with high school they'll have the option to be become a Citizen by taking a 2.5 year term of federal service, a completed term of Federal Service ensures a "Citizen" is willing to put the needs of the community before their own personal well-being as Federal Service will tough and dangerous (by design). It can be anything from fighting in a war, enforcing law in a dangerous place, doing backbreaking manual labor, being experimented on. You have some say so on what you'll be doing but if needed else where you'll be placed there.

If you complete federal service you'll have the right to vote and a bit more minor rights like edible for a military grade rifle and perhaps a required 2pay-day off during elections. Federal service as i see it will equalize everyone. No racism or sexism or class shit, if you can complete federal service you're an equal.
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Aristocracy

/thread
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>>69932297
yes but minus the theologocial aspect because the state should be secular
Note this does not mean it should be irreligious, a homogeneous religious culture is healthy for a nation. In my case there should be regular inquisitions to root out non-Christians. Non-Christians can practice but need an expensive license to do so
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>>69925152
>Smartest people shouldn't lead our kind

Of cause moral would be a thing.
A technocracy would be interested in satisfying it's population, because a happy population is a productive population.
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Technocracy

The computer decides who suffers and who doesn't after reading your facebook.
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>>69922945
Benevolent dictatorship
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>>69932461
I don't disagree with you, just every single Esti seems to be nat soc.
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>>69932030
>>69931980
>>69931813

I agree Hitler was a warrior of truth and light, but at the time the hip theory of economics was Keynesianism and it's dying rapidly today. It was a joke in Germany at the time that Hitler would make jobs by straightening crooked rivers and decorating bridges. It's obvious government spending is another name for economic distortion (barring defense and contract enforcement). Wouldn't it be better to study Carl Menger and the Austrian School of Economics? As early as 1865 Menger knew about the dangers of Jews.
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>>69932068
This
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>>69932467

Why does it have to be tough and dangerous?

There are exceedingly few jobs in America that could really be called dangerous.

Should car stunt drivers be citizens before doctors because they give mass entertainment?

Should pro wrestlers be given citizenship over scientists because their bodies are more likely to get harmed?

Or should the guy who runs a charity be passed over for a dumb as fuck soldier who only knows how to kill?
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>>69932068

Female nobles should also be married off to extremely virtuous people to add a hint of meritocracy. Like if someone was raised in a poor neighborhood, and then became a billionaire Prime minister, and balanced the budget, won an incredibly risky war with minimal losses, and took a bullet for the King.

As for how the people are chosen it's debatable. If the King chose we'd just get what the Supreme court turned into, but if someone else chose they could undermine the monarchy. Maybe the King chooses who should marry the girl, and then parilament and the Royal Family all vote on it, and whoever gets 2/3 wins?

>>69932297

Indeed.
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>biased AI

I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid that won't work.
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Absolute Monarchy with appointed advisors from the tops of their fields to serve the king. Same rules as with jury duty in the U.S. Court system to include jury duty. Penal system with forced labor instead of hippie "conditional imprisonment". If you are a convicted criminal and your appeal is rejected, I will make you build our fucking roads. Refusal to do so or sabotage = firing squad.

King for life or until infirm. Forbidden from ever leaving the country for any reason.

Mandatory civil service for *fucking everybody*. One month every year working for your society as anything from cleaning duty to auxiliary police, search & rescue auxiliary, librarian or building a new recreational hall for the youth, whatever.

Republic and democracy is bullshit. Those who *want to*, rule, and my vote is worth fucking nothing. I'd rather cast my lot with an absolute ruler whose fate is ultimately bound to his people.
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A meritocracy where everything is determined by 3 separate groups of people. Religious, Economists, Politicians.

No more political parties. Everyone will have to back either one of the three.
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>monarchies
>military autocracies
>le epic nazi xD shit

all equally crap. Republic with strongly enforced boarders, socially liberal, but with a clear and strict line on what is acceptable. TOTAL FREEDOM! is dumb.

liberal economy, some VERY limited socialist welfare shit for people who need it, but mostly finding work for them to do. Even if its picking up trash. No one gets money for free. offer money to some poor kids who show promise in field in demand at the moment, like engineering or something, no gender studies bullshit. And also either a no party, or one party system
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Democracy but with the following voting restrictions:
-Must be male 18+
-Only people who've been citizens for at least 5 years
-Not not have a criminal record
-Must past a basic test on how the government works every major election. The test should be simple enough to be quick but hard enough to filter out retards. It should also force the testie to acknowledge the policies of all candidates so as to avoid false assumption.
-Referendums mandatory of all major issues (eg: there should have been a referendums about Syrian refugees).
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>>69931587
Not bankrupt at all, and certainly not relatively; for instance, I don't believe in the Just-So story of a purported social contract that seems to be the wobbly foundation of God knows how many political ideologies.

>>69932113
If we could actually limit government, that would be good enough for me. But I just do not think that the iron law of oligarchy in mass politics can be easily subverted; that is much more of a credible threat than the fear that we might just go back to government anyway.
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>>69933374
>socially liberal
you failed already.
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>>69934014

having super strict social standards is fucking retarded and worthless and creates tensions between the government and the people for no fucking reason.
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Fascism.
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>>69933819

Completely agree with this guy, and I will add on a few more:

>must own property
>may absolutely, under no circumstances, be able to vote while taking government handouts.
>must have a high school diploma
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>>69935177
Define super strict
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Monastic Order.
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>>69932796
I kinda explained already. In theory Federal Service ensures that someone is willing to put the needs of the community before themselves because Federal Service would be so dangerous. You already pointed out that dangerous jobs are low and not that many people would do that short of work, doctors outnumber stunt drivers and crab fishermen combined. And you cant really compare pro wrestling to what i described and again there's not that many of them compared to other professions.

Everyone has the option to undergo federal service so its not cutting in line. Also there'd probably be more then 1 option for service as i said and a scientist will be able to push himself to complete such a service and comprehend the importance of it and the consequences of quitting. He can also still be a scientist without ever going through federal service his rights dont change, he only doesn't get to vote because he hasn't put community before himself, thats it.
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