Democracy -- should we have it?
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Think about it. What good has democracy actually done for us? Do you really think China is going to need or want it as they just keep prospering throughout this century? As I see it, all democracy ever achieved was degeneration, absurdities, chaos, and hampered ability to take action as necessary.
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>>69922653
I love it when other counties call themselves democratic.
well, democratic countries have fostered the most scientific growth. but it's still tyranny, regardless of how many people are at the top
action isn't needed to be taken by the government. if the government worked efficiently, you would live in a little box of existence with no freedoms, rights, etc
>>69922653
i don't think the average chinaman is very happy. or, if you want a more extreme example: north korea
>>69924105
also this. direct democracy prevents a lot of corruption
I'd prefer a technocracy or meritocracy.
The problem is the actual means of ruling doesn't matter in the face of human corruption. Every system is, has been, and will be corrupt as long as people are at the helm. It's just the nature of the beast.
>>69924366
>also this. direct democracy prevents a lot of corruption
You realize that the Swiss barely even vote because of it? They're lucky if they get 60 percent turnouts in their big elections.
>>69924366
>i don't think the average chinaman is very happy.
The average chinaman wouldn't be any happier if he had democracy.
>>69922653
I think we should have democratic elements, but democracy should be curbed with voting tests (not the fucky ones fro Alamaba, but bina fide ones administered by private third parties) to test knowledge about political issues, logic and economics.
If one is not fit to vote, one is not fit to pay taxes or enter the military either (especially by draft) since they have no representation.
People are not created equally. They do not have the same ability in casting a vote.
>>69924587
the average chinese person absolutely would be happier if the government wasn't as overbearing as it is, if they could actually DECIDE policies, if they could unionize.
>>69924437
democracy IS meritocracy. you think some backwoods college dropout is going to get into any position of percieved authority?
also, anarchism is a better meritocracy than actually having a government.
>>69924794
>the average chinese person absolutely would be happier if the government wasn't as overbearing as it is
The average chinaman doesn't give a FUCK about the government, nor is he bothered by it.
>>69924487
The voter turnout is usually around 45%. What's your point though? You know there are people who are not interested in politics and don't care what is being voted.
That's freedom my dear Swedecuck. If you want to vote you can but you don't have to. But it's absolutely not some upper class who makes the decision. Think about this for some minutes.
>>69924587
well no one can really know that, i guess. i'm just saying that china's economic growth mostly benefits the few who are in power, not the average ching chong
>>69924978
>i'm just saying that china's economic growth mostly benefits the few who are in power, not the average ching chong
What? This is a completely absurd statement. China has transformed and increased the living standards of hundreds of millions of people to near western levels in just a few decades!
>>69924886
they aren't allowed to unionize by themselvers or strike, so they have to submit to shitty deals by shitty corporations that would otherwise be intolerable. i think artificial depression of labor is a pretty big effect? I think a curbing of their rights to freedom of expression, speech, and religion is also a pretty big effect
>>69925100
>near western levels
exactly. despite their massive growth, the best they can boast with is having achieved "near western levels"
>>69924437
Anarchism much?
>>69925409
and?
>>69925363
They're still growing massively. Living standards are still going up, extremely quickly. China is not going to rule the world -- that is a stupid meme -- but they're going to be like Japan was in its prime soon. Only they're going to be 10 times bigger.
>>69925363
coming from a place that was shut off from the western world until a hundred and fifty years ago and that also suffered REGRESSION from communism, it's pretty good
>>69922653
Democracy is the tyranny of the retarded masses.
>>69925597
maybe. either way, the only way they've been able to sustain their system is by making it more like a democracy. (by which i'm referring mainly to the chinese economic reform under deng xiaoping)
>>69925822
t. someone who has never experienced democracy
>>69925976
Still, they don't have democracy. They don't need democracy. They don't even want democracy. The economics of it all aren't dependent upon democracy, nor are they democracy like, as you put it.
>>69926041
I guess Adams or Mill didn't live in one either, eh?
>>69922653
Do you really think that people in China are happy? Most of them are working in shitty factory jobs to maintain the massive economy they have, and their workplace conditions are horrendous.
The people of China aren't happy, whereas those in the U.S. are happier than your average Chinese person could ever dream of.
Not saying the system is perfect, but it's the best humanity has worked out so far.
>>69926261
>thinks meme """elections""" every 4 years is democracy
>his vote doesn't even mean anything
>needs to elect "electorates" who make the real vote based on their own opinion
Wow USA is such a true democracy.
>>69922653
long answer: only in ethnically and culturally homogeonous civilized societies that genuinely care about their social and physical environment through education and upbringing, up to the point of universal suffrage
tl:dr no
>>69926684
We're a democratic republic, but I see what you're saying now.
Do you think we could work better with Athenian democracy? Each state has a "lotto" of citizens and the senate is drawn from that where they have to do what the chosen Athenians did? I think it could work, and it would certainly eliminate career politicians.
>>69926684
I envy your democracy, medpack
as long as swiss natives are the vast majority, it's unbreakable and comes to the right conclusion on any and all issues
if the government is forced from doing retarded shit then normal democracy is viable
i'd prefer a reform though
only government workers and landowners can vote would be perfect
>>69927385
>government workers
what? those are the root of all bad decisions/gov't pandering since they present a monolithic voting block unwilling to give an inch while demanding a mile, they should be completely barred from voting since their service, however useful or important, is made possible by the real economy, financed by taxes taken from productive members of society
you are not gov't workers' client but the user, their real customer is the state budget, never forget that
>>69927015
I'm saying the whole democracy in the USA and every other country is basically electing some upper class person and hoping that he has the same opinion as you on future political decisions. See Germany - the people voted a Christian moderate right party and look what they turned into. The German people can do nothing but wait for the next elections and then hope another party will not do the same again.
This is meme democracy. Making the people believe they can participate in the decisions when in reality the decision will be made on the will of some important persons.
Why can't Americans directly elect the next President? Why this system of electoral college?
>>69927174
Immigrants are left wing because they fear consequences. After they become Swiss citizens they turn right wing. I know a lot like that.
