I am a German Turk and a muslim. I get discriminated because of my religion every day.
Why do you people hate Islam so much? Why do you think that we all are suicide bombers? There are over a billion muslims on this planet. If we were as hateful as you see us, we would have already taken over the world.
I also don't say that all Cucktholics are pedophile boy fuckers, because their priests did/do this.
Please, rethink your point of view and grow the fuck up.
Thanks
>If we were as hateful as you see us, we would have already taken over the world.
So you think people will accept you with these kind of words? like, beware or we will kill everybody?
Go look yourself in a mirror before putting yourself in the victim place.
HAHAHAHAHA
>>69913020
Because all suicide bombers are Muslim.
>Why do you people hate Islam so much?
Because its tradition in germany to hate other religions.
>Some goat fucker from the mountains says he talked to god.
>You worthless sub humans actually believe it.
>Take over the world.
>Implying you guys aren't spoiled man children who are afraid of pain.
It's hard to consider you human, really. I've seen fat beta males walk off shit that makes you faggots cry and run for cover.
>>69913020
If this is not bait :
Where the fuck do you get discriminated?
You know, Gretchen not wanting to sleep with you is not discrimination
>>69913020
>can't even use ink without it being baptized or some shit
That is as stupid as not being able to eat meat on Sunday or needing kosher salt.
But yours is even much dumber and restrictive and still strongly abided by. The fucking mudslimes community would accuse you of using "bad" ink and you get stoned to death, in modern times. Fuck off
>>69913020
You are not a German, you are a turkroach.
It does not matter where you were born.
>>69913020
A turk is a turk and nothing else.
>>69913521
I want to know this too. Something to make me feel good before I go to bed
>>69913020
You are a filthy t*rk
>>69913349
Jewish extremist 77 victims ? did they forgot the "29" ahead of "77" ?
>>69913020
I read the koran every time i take a shit, and it makes me so fucking angry. Every time i put down your filthy doctrine of lies and fascism i feel the urge to crusade.
I'm so happy my ancestors left Europe along with all the smart genes, i they hadn't i think i would have already fought my way to Constantinople.
Burn in hell, turk. Your religion is a plague that fells any who succumb to degeneracy, killing their brains and taking control of the host.
>>69913020
Kill yourself.
Get out of europe goatfucker.
>>69913020
>Muslim
>Only pictures he ever posts are those of a little girl
Should I be surprised?
>>69913256
Are you too dumb to understand my point?
>>69913349
proves nothing
>>69913392
No, there are also Jews and Christians how blow themselves up.
>>69913393
So, there are no rapists and murderers in the Western world?
>>69913419
might be right
>>69913440
>>69913460
>>69913471
>>69913515
propaganda
>>69913521
see these:
>>69913590
>>69913600
>>69913749
>>69913020
Ever heard the song "La cucaracha"?
>>69913256
they can't even pretend to be human
>>69913020
Why doe muslims use the child-like empress image so much?
>>69914023
>Anything that points out how shit my religion is is propaganda
Sure achmed
>>69913020
-because your shit religion is fucking cancer
-and you are the worst 1vs1 fighters, literally dirty hyenas
-oh oh and you are hairy, brown
-turkish sounds like shit and is an ugly language, fucking eschek
-your parents wont integrate, learn german.
-you are all on wellfare
you all are like retards: typical turk
>"walla isch schwöre ich mache dich messer rücken, was meine Mutter?! Ich hole meine Brüder walla isch fick disch"
>>69914023
>please believe me goys or i kill you
>MFW
>>69913020
Do you honestly believe islam apologetics will work here?
Also don't you have a Eternal Angle thread to make, turkroach?
>>69913020
Because Euros are fucking insane and NEED an existential threat so they can find meaning in life because it isn't enough to be alive for them, they need to kill others so they FEEL alive. If there isn't an existential threat they manufacture one.
This latest iteration is because their fellow species and Elite have taken all the moniez and rather than figuring out how to solve that problem they will kill millions of their young and millions of brown. They do this by convincing the super intellectual white NIGGERS it's brown peoples fault.
It's kinda funny, they keep doing this and they keep falling for it but this time they dun goofed, this time they're poking God with a pointy stick and it's going to bite them on the ass but fucking ood.
>>69913020
>1 billion goat fuckers
>somehow taking over the world
I wish you would try. Using your current tactics, the most effective being you blowing yourself up, you'd wipe yourselves out while trying to make a dent in the world's population.
If you were ALL hell bent on destroying the west, your sandy shithole would be a field of glass.
>>69914195
>-because your shit religion is fucking cancer
Why?
>-and you are the worst 1vs1 fighters, literally dirty hyenas
kek, we fight way better than you cucks
>-oh oh and you are hairy, brown
girls love it
>-turkish sounds like shit and is an ugly language, fucking eschek
German sounds like barking dogs
>-your parents wont integrate, learn german.
we already know German
>-you are all on wellfare
no, we work
>>69913020
lmao deal with it faggot, letting words and passive-aggresive remarks get to you is fucking gay
>He thinks anyone on /pol/ will have sympathy for a Muslim
Give me grid coordinates for Dresden 2.0: Sharia Boogaloo
>>69913020
>there are over billion of muslims
And over billion are literal niggers belonging into zoo, not society
>>69913020
That'll be 2 döner, no onions, extra lamb pls.
>>69914585
You're all attack dogs for the Jews
Christians and Muslims have been fighting for centuries.
Stop flattering yourself by assuming it's some new trend.
I'm not even Christian but I would still love to send you to your "god" just for being a fucktrumpet.
Deus Vult
>attracted to kids but never act on it
>monster, threat to society, castrate him
>attracted to kids and act on it
>see above
Just replace pedophilia with islam and diddling kids with violence and conquest. Most pedophiles have learned to keep their mouth shut, yet muslims proudly proclaim their faith.
Not really making a point here but i think it's an interesting parallel
>>69913020
>>69914023
>>69914657
Rich attack dogs tbqhwy senpai
>>69914508
>>69913020
>german
>turk
Pick one and only one
>>69914606
>Wife should obey husband
What is wrong with that?
>Sharia should rule
First read and understand Sharia law before criticizing it.
>death for adultery
What is wrong with that?
>death for leaving Islam
right
>>69914716
How does someone's body even end up that way?
>>69914780
>>69914180
Cherrypicking bullshit that isn't even the opinion of scholars is propaganda. You're doing the same thing leftists websites do when it comes to conversative and right wing opinions and arguments: to strawman. Your whole post is essentially one strawman fallacy.
>>69914023
They're not open to have an honest debate, just memes and mockery. It is best to leave children act like children, until they start acting like adults.
ALLE TÜRKEN RAŪS!
ALLE TÜRKEN RAŪS!
ALLE TÜRKEN RAŪS!
ALLE TÜRKEN RAŪS!
ALLE TÜRKEN RAŪS!
>>69914023
>I'm being discriminated
People are telling you straight facts. You are a turk, are you so ashamed that you won't even call yourself that? If you call that discrimination then I guess you're just as discriminated as all these poor refugees coming to Germany
>>69914785
By getting bombed, probably by airstrikes.
>>69914862
>see bullshit
>check flag
>leaf
What a surprise
also
>people pointing out the bad things about my religion is cherrypicking!
>>69914785
he fucked the wrong goat
>>69914780
The fact you even have to ask just proves how retarded and backwards you are, it's like explaining engineering to a fucking dog.
>>69914862
>A fucking leaf defending Islam
Who would have thought.
>>69913020
>muslim
Can we filter this to "person that deserves to die"?
>>69914780
>death for adultery
>What is wrong with that?
lol
>>69913020
>If we were as hateful as you see us, we would have already taken over the world.
Are you kidding me nigger? You are fucking orcs. You have no agency you are controlled by jews and the Anglo-establishment. You can't fight a war or organize a functioning society. All you have are numbers and deep hatred for white people. We will wipe you out eventually.
>>69914862
Oh look its Canada again.
>>69913020
>There are over a billion muslims on this planet. If we were as hateful as you see us, we would have already taken over the world.
That's still over 6 billion non-muslims. This argument has never made sense.
People don't like you because your mosques are closed to scrutiny, your religion lacks the capacity to reform in order to work alongside the values of modern democratic societies, and consequently you are seen as a threat and danger to the fundamental values that the West holds dear.
For example: I can engage with a Pole or a Czech readily enough because we share a common value-system based from our Judeo-Christian historical roots. Neither of us might be at all religious, but nevertheless that commonality remains.
The same cannot be said when engaging with someone from a Muslim country (or who claims heretage of one). Over half the members of your religion still believe that people deserve to be killed for leaving the faith. Almost a third believe being gay means that one should be stoned to death. You religious leaders encourage the subordination of women. None of it fits with Western society.
The only way Islam is ever going to work is if it has its own Reformation, much like Christianity went through many centuries ago. That seems unlikely however, as Islam itself makes bold claims of being a perfect, immutable and final religion, with an encouragement on literal and unchanging interpretations of the text.
You just don't fit.
>>69914862
>Cherrypicking bullshit that isn't even the opinion of scholars is propaganda.
>not the opinion of the scholars
>Hanafist, Shafi'ist, Malikist and Hanbalit literatures
wew
>>69915109
So you think it's normal when your wife cheates on you?
>>69915127
Can you take back them please? Or at least ignore us when we go up there again?
>>69913020
Listen you are a minority most of your Muslim brothers would commit treason to defend Islam. Muslims hold no loyalty to the countries they go to they only hold loyalty to the book. A moderate Muslim can live his whole life being fine but you burn a Quran or insult maometh he'll kill you.
Islam is the great other and Missy be stopped and contained of not destroyed
>>69913020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYbJsVANqNk
>>69913020
Man kann nicht Deutsch und trotzdem Türke sein
>>69915239
>>69915005
>Ad Hominem: The post
>people pointing out the bad things about my religion is cherrypicking!
It's cherrypicking bullshit, key word there. Most of the stuff is not even positions hold by any scholars anyway. It's like what leftists do when they go on ranting about libertarian sand accuse them by of being literary hitler by taking the opinion of some libertarian wannabe in some shitty forum. Then they think those poistions are libertarian ones.
>>69915233
Yes drinking is bad. This is obvious.
>>69915239
It's disgusting, but death for it is too much. Her becoming a social outcast is fine and completely justified, but killing her for ficki ficki is just too much
>>69915363
>Yes drinking is bad. This is obvious.
Then don't drink you fucking idiot. You think I want to live in a system where I get lashed for drinking a beer? You agree with this bullshit?
See, this is why you won't die a natural death.
>>69915363
>using statistics, verses from the quran and facts is cherrypicking!
It only gets better
>>69913020
>Why do you people hate Islam so much?
because its more likely that hasan al jaber(like you for example) is going to blow himself up in the name of allah in some crowded place than hans reus
>>69913020
We just don't like your funny skirt-shirt thingies, your ninja women, your pointy edged unplastered buildings.
You guys are just kitschy, geanu?
>>69915239
It's normal to drop her, not kill her, muslim men cheat nonstop.
>>69913020
yeah catholics are dumb heretics
>>69913020
Salam Alaykum brother, don't worry. Many also know that Islam is a solution to the degeneracy of Europe and convert.
>>69913020
>grow the fuck up.
no u
>>69914879
SHUT UP YOU STUPID SVEN AND GO WORSHIP MUSLIM COCK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y40Tc5SkcoE
>>69913020
>I am a German Turk and a muslim.
No your just turkish, you aren't german in the least.
>Why do you people hate Islam so much? Why do you think that we all are suicide bombers?
Because your religion says to go out and kill all non believers, only Judaism has such fucked up shit in it's religious text.
Christianity does not
> There are over a billion muslims on this planet. If we were as hateful as you see us, we would have already taken over the world.
No you wouldn't have, your people have hardly made it out of the stone age how could you possibly take on white people?
>I also don't say that all Cucktholics are pedophile boy fuckers, because their priests did/do this.
Thats because it's not mentioned anywhere in Catholicism to have sex with little boys (while in Islam Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old (at the latest))
So no get the fuck out of europe and go back to your mud huts your not welcome here, you ruin every place you go.
>>69915624
As long as it is black
>>69914780
>guys what is wrong with my medieval beliefs?
Are you serious? Fuck off back to the desert.
>>69915605
Sleep tight, baby Baba
>>69913020
>we would have already taken over the world.
No you wouldn't, you're fucking incompetent. You've been trying and failing to take over the world since your child molesting devil worshipping 'prophet' started the whole shitshow.
>>69915629
> only Judaism has such fucked up shit in it's religious text.
>Christianity does not
HOW DO I CHRISTIANITY
According to research of different intel agencies around 10% of muslims are radicals, which is a huge amount.
Those that are not radicals either don't have the means of world conquest or are not ready to do it.
You other "peaceful" mudslims in western countries are sleeper cells, if you will acquire the means of overtaking countries you will do it.
Islam is not just a religion it's also an ideology that was created by Muhammad to gain power. And the best part is that you are so self righteous and will say how it's the religion of peace and prohibits killing of innocent and you feel so good about that ignoring the fact that infidels aren't innocent by definition. Most of religions don't have such strong aggressive and dogmatic stances on infidels, sure Bible has violent ideas, but it also has altruistic and peaceful ideas that can counter the violent, while Islam is much younger and was literally created in a well defined time period for defined purposes. Judaism, Christianity, Paganism, Zoroastrianism and other ancient cults are a mix of societal and ideological norms plus a way to explain the world without using science, while Islam was much later and was mainly ideological and centered around norms using supernatural notions to enforce the societal norms.
>>69913020
Fuck off roach who worships a pedophile warlord instead of Jesus Christ, the son of God
>>69915477
Drinking kills more people per year than heroin, interestingly enough. I'd rather have someone get lashed and not end up becoming an alcoholic or doing some retarded shit while drunk. Then again, lashes is hadd punishment and is not always necessary. There is leniency in some circumstances and the law doesn't even apply to non-Muslims.
I don't agree with punishment of apostates. Nor does Shia, or malikis.
>>69915481
Taking verses out of context, ignoring some statistics like this: http://www.gallup.com/poll/157067/views-violence.aspx , is in fact cherrypicking. And then arguing against those is a strawman fallacy.
>>69915790
>HOW DO I CHRISTIANITY
Yes cause the talmud is totally in the christian faith fuckwit.
>>69914508
>>-because your shit religion is fucking cancer
>Why?
Islam is not compatible with Europe/christian lifestyle, spitting at female techers for example
>>-and you are the worst 1vs1 fighters, literally dirty hyenas
>kek, we fight way better than you cucks
like hyenas you fight, never fair, most time you have a knife
>>-oh oh and you are hairy, brown
>girls love it
>girls love smelly dirty achmeds
ya sure
>>-turkish sounds like shit and is an ugly language, fucking eschek
>German sounds like barking dogs
direct and commaning language
>>-your parents wont integrate, learn german.
>we already know German
your broken kanaken german?
>>-you are all on wellfare
>no, we work
yea stealling scooters, bikes and cars
>>69915495
Exaxtly this
>>69913020
If you really wan`t to change that. Then you have to get rid of your fellow specimen, who are milking germany`s Tax payers.
And by the way
Every Relegion is a bummer
>>69913020
Explain this OP. What the hell are they thinking by encouraging children to be martyrs?
https://www.rt.com/news/338278-turkey-diyanet-children-martyrdom/
>>69913020
Alright man. I don't even think you're a Turk but whatever.
We don't want you here. You don't share our culture. You don't share our love for free speech, you don't share our belief in human rights and equality. You're incompatible with the West. The only reason you're here is because our politicians in the 70's didn't know what they were doing and imported Arabs.
You say that if you were as hateful as we make you out to be, you'd already have taken over the world. That's bullshit. The Middle East is an irreparable shithole. The UK and France alone could take on the entire Middle East and still come out on top.
>>69913020
>If we were as hateful as you see us, we would have already taken over the world.
No you couldn't. You mudslimes tremble before the West's superior military might. If the West was to declare war against Islam and didn't care to hold back to reduce muslim civilian casualties, you would all be bombed back to the stone age in just a few months.
>>69915853
>calls me a cherrypicker
>cherrypicks a statistic that benefits his argument
You also have no idea what a strawman is.
>>69915853
>or malikis
Oh boy.
Hey, you know what, I don't want to base my fucking laws on the rambling of some fucking pedophile retard from the seventh century. If we're prepared to accept some level of death from combining alcohol consumption with roads (because our city layouts are made this way) then so fucking be it. And the way we're going to decide this is by having a fucking conversation about it and then voting and all that fucking garbage.
In the meantime, I'm not particularly interested in the opinions of traitors such as yourself masquerading as Canadians while in fact being more loyal to a foreign theocratic shit systems for literal inbred morons.
>>69914023
>No, there are also Jews and Christians how blow themselves up.
No, no there aren't.
>Proves nothing
It literally proves that you dirty paedophile devil worshippers cause more deaths than everyone else put together.
>So, there are no rapists and murderers in the Western world?
There are no large organised gangs in every town no.
>wah wah muh discrimination, why you no want my filthy worthless 'culture'?
The day is coming you filthy idolator, and it is coming soon. Get out while you can.
>>69915629
>Because your religion says to go out and kill all non believers
If that was the case, Christian Arabs wouldn't exist in the Middle East. The Rashidun who are arguably the most Muslim didn't perform such a policy. There is no "kill all non-believers".
You guys are so contradictory, one time it's "Muslims tax non-Muslims" And the other it's "They kill them all". If they're all dead, they can't be taxed. There is no coherence in your bullshit.
>>69915894
Christians have killed far more Jews than Jews have killed Christians.
>the stone age
Meme just like the CURRENT YEAR meme. It's an appeal to novelty, whith no understand of human periods in their existence.
>(while in Islam Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old (at the latest))
No at the latest is mid teens. Interestingly, Christians who hold on to their religion ahve no problem with Abraham being with a 12 year old.
>>69916326
Clearly you don't have any idea of what a strawman is, since you're not even able to quote directly any passage with its context and the scholarly position on it before you even address it.
>>69913020
>If we were as hateful as you see us, we would have already taken over the world
>Implying you could even if you wanted to
It takes a lot more than numbers to win a war and you shitskins don't even have the means to take over any major powers. Not to mention, you're still outnumbered if the world turned against you.
Even if every last Muslim rose up in a massive army, China alone would have the power to wipe Islam off the face of the Earth with comparable numbers and far superior technology. You wouldn't even be able to infiltrate the country and commit acts of terrorism since you mudslimes wouldn't be able to blend in.
Saying "we could kill you all if we wanted to but we don't" is not only a really shitty way to prove you're peaceful, but is also a straight up lie.
>>69913020
Kind of hard to take over the world when you are too busy blowing each other up.
>>69915853
>Drinking kills more people per year than heroin, interestingly enough.
>more people do dangerous thing that is legal tha dangerous thing that is illegal
>how weird is that?
>>69913020
I'm Christian. Pic is my church. It's in rural England. My religious tradition is close to Orthodoxy. I'm High Church Anglican. It's very traditional. And peaceful. We respect all religions
I will pray for you.
Here's some music for you: it's Serbian Orthodox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-J2kuSCLvE&list=RDrVLlBDgQsOo&index=3
Christ taught us by His example.
I will pray that you are not discriminated against.
Islam is the religion of death and misery
they are plenty of verses that are just violence
they are against the teachings of Jesus Christ which is weird because they Jesus is their messiah too
>"but muh verses they are out of context"
nope, they really are not
if they really were out of context muhammed is not a muslim
terrorists are doing nothing different from what was muhammed was doing and what the quarran teaches
>>69915894
The talmud talks about "LE GOYIM" in the same manner and context as todays orthodox jews talk about secular jews in order too keep their community airtight, they won't even look at you not to mention try to kill you.
I was referring to the old testament that has plenty of belligerent texts about pagans.
>>69913020
>we would have already taken over the world.
You can't even take over the Arab world let alone anything else. There's burgers marching through most of your "countries" cucking you for natural resources as we speak.
gl overtaking.
>>69916466
>No at the latest is mid teens.
wew again >>69915084
>>69913020
>German Turk
No such thing
>>69913020
your religion is garbage
your people kill and rise criminality wherever they go
you demand the countroes to adapt to you instead of the other way arround
you fuck too much
>>69913020
>I am a German Turk
And i am a turk german. What do you say? No such thing? Well, no such thing as a german turk either.
>>69913020
Because of this
>>69916466
Holy fuck you are retarded.
Strawman: Misrepresenting someone's argument to make it easier to attack.
You do realise this site is 18+ right kiddo?
just stop being a fucking idiot, god isnt real dude youre an adult
>>69913020
Turks are actually one of the better "muslim immigrants", but when it's normal to act like this (video) in most islamic countries it's only logical we don't want to import that kind of behaviour
And altough we do have some troubles with Turks here it's nothing compared to Morrocans, Morrocans are very criminal and rapey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28u4ItL02Fo
>>69913020
>muh oppression justifies killing innocent civilians
faggit
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/matthew-fisher-brussels-africans-have-no-patience-for-narrative-that-discrimination-spawned-jihadists
Cuz ur religion promotes jihads women beating terrorism inbreeding stoning gays and a whole lotta other shit. Look up list of jihads on wikipedia. Its outstanding. And its all considered holy in the quran. Get the fuck outta here mudslime
>>69916345
>Oh boy.
No argument.
>pic
Abu al-Walid al-Baji was a Maliki jurist who claimed that apostasy doesn't have punishement. In short, apostasy in early times was akin to betrayal because it was during times of war, where camps were established. Leaving Islam, was essentially going to the other camp.
>Hey, you know what, I don't want to base my fucking laws on the rambling of some fucking pedophile retard from the seventh century.
Ad Hominem fallacy based on ridiculous portrayal with no historical basis.
>we're prepared to accept some level of death from combining alcohol consumption
No that's not acceptable if you assert that life is important.
>then so fucking be it.
No.
>this is by having a fucking conversation
Your tantrum is not a conversation.
>such as yourself masquerading as Canadians
I'm sure I have contributed more to this economy and scientific progress of this country than you.
>theocratic shit systems for literal inbred morons.
More buzzwords. Your whole post is the "ARE YOU KIDDING ME" meme.
>>69916532
Cocaine has also less deaths than heroine. Marijuana is legal in some US states and has so far no deaths.
>>69914508
>-and you are the worst 1vs1 fighters, literally dirty hyenas
>kek, we fight way better than you cucks
Wow, that's a very nice joke! I'm definitely going to save this for future laughs.
Fighting 5v1, sucker punching or overpowering with weapons.
>Much better fighters
>>69914780
>death for adultery
>What is wrong with that?
We don't even have you make fun of you. You're doing that pretty well on your own!
>>69916807
turk germans also exist
i happen to be a german turk too btw
>>69915605
Sleep tight baby baba
>>69914780
Ladies and gents, this is what Germany calls "integrated".
And everything you said proves that you're wrong here. Go back to your backwards shithole and enjoy everything there that your cancerous religion has taught you. Wait, you don't want to go back? Why is that?
>>69913020
>German Turk
Ayo back the fuck up there for a goddamn second, Roach
>>69915084
Tabari, Nawawi, `Asqallani and Ibn Kathir all place her in late teens. Shia theology hold her age to be late teens. Funnily enough, you don't deny that Abraham was with a young girl either.
Age of consumption differs in times and places as a a result of social agreement of age of maturity.
>>69916903
>Misrepresenting someone's argument to make it easier to attack.
That's exactly what you've been doing.
Every muslim ran country kills people for being an i fidel, or being gay, or anything that would piss off your pedophile rapist trollfaggot muhammad. Do the world a favor and go to saudi arabia, tell me how peaceful it is you dumb cuck.
>>69917523
No, Mehmet. Neither exists.
I like how atheists on /pol/ are completely incapable of arguing against islam.
Stick to bashing christianity you fedora tipping faggots.
>>69917654
Maybe his mother was German
>0.01% bomb themselves
>90% have the same beliefs as the 0.01% but are too pussy to bomb themselves
>the other 9.99% are fucked by the 90.01%
Islamic world everybody
>>69917134
Damn, why are francophone blacks so based ?
>>69913020
Because you need to get your people on board with the 21st century program. We tried it our way and just made things worse. Talk to your own people and raise your own children to be peaceful, contributing citizens and then maybe in a few generations you can be forgiven
>>69917830
he cant be both, he is german or turk, there is NOTHING in between
>>69917523
The way your fellow Turks cling to your country of origin even in the third generation tells me that there is no such things as "German Turks".
>>69917773
>>69917830
That makes him a nationless mutt who's still not of German blood.
>>69918050
>>69916696
See first part of >>69917682
>>69917899
Most don't believe in suicide bombing. Anyway, it's not like Muslims were to first to do suicide attacks nor the only ones (in fact secular Christian women were the first suicide bombers of their gender), it's a disagraceful tactic used out of desperation. You wouldn't resort to bombing because you have a military that does your bidding. Again, not justifying shitheads like ISIS but that's why they resort to it.
>>69914508
GTES REKT FORM ALL SIDES
answer
>it-s pro-propaganda guys
>>69917903
You do realize his argument doesn't make sense? Blacks are also disproportionally represented in jails in France.
>>69918292
Congratulations, you just summed up the average post in /pol/.
>>69917406
>No that's not acceptable if you assert that life is important.
There is always a level of risk to anything we do. By your logic non alcohol related car death would warrant banning cars, and same would go for plane crashes, but that's not where you draw the line and let's be clear, the only thing we're arguing isn't that there is a line, but where it is.
Alcohol is a perfectly reasonable place to draw it.
>no historical basis.
How many time am I gonna have to link this >>69915084 ?
>I'm sure I have contributed more to this economy and scientific progress of this country than you.
Go do that somewhere else. All your """"contributions"""" are nullified by the fact that you're a muslims which is to say a traitor. It would have been much more preferable to have another type of immigrant in your stead.
>buzzwords
The word "theocracy" is a buzzword? Look, you're in favor of a system in which the laws are derived from alleged revelation from God, which is more or less what a fucking theocracy is. Now it just so happens that there is no good reasons to believe in Islam, which is why Muslims have to impose this with the use of force, since there's really no way to convince anyone that it's true. In that context, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider Islam as a dangerous system, which it is. I don't think it's unreasonable to consider muslims as traitors, which they are.
I happen to want to live in a democratic system and not in system dreamed up by a potential schizophrenic maniac. Which brings me to
> Abu al-Walid al-Baji
That is certainly one scholar who isn't Malik himself, neither is he Hanafi, Shafi, or Hanbal.
Here's the thing : if I live in a system in which the legitimacy of the political order and of the law are derived from Islam, would not renouncing Islam make me a de facto traitor, since it would be equivalent to the rejection of the legitimacy of the entire system? End yourself.
>>69917966
german turk here
can confirm the opposite, german turks do really exist (im one of them). you should maybe consider not living in a right-infested county.
>>69918609
Pass auf du Kanake
Schreib mich an und ich verpass dir eine!
01577 1919221
>>69913020
Go back under the fridge ahmed
>>69918609
German turk is a contradiction. You are either german or turk. Not both. How hard is that to understand for your tiny turkroach brain?
>>69918458
>There is always a level of risk to anything we do.
And some behavior cause far more deaths and destruction. With your shitty mentality, nothing should be prohibited that highly leads to deaths or bad health effects.
>By your logic non alcohol related car death would warrant banning cars
No it would warrant more regulations and restrictions on alcohol. And if law isn't enough, there's cultural change.
Learn to argue, you can't even appropriate a similar argument based on similarity of another.
>How many time am I gonna have to link this
You can't even do critical thinking. In your childish mind: "Sources are the end and all". There is always more to something, sources are part of the equation, simple math, historical context and competing sources are another. If people like you were allowed to be historians, history would be very incomplete than it is today.
>Go do that somewhere else.
Says the parasite who can't contribute.
>All your """"contributions"""" are nullified by the fact that you're a muslims which is to say a traitor.
Unlike you, I don't force my religious belief or lack thereof on others. I abide to the Charter, the law of the land and Canadian laws.
>The word "theocracy" is a buzzword?
Nice cherrypicking. I didn't single out theocracy.
>you're in favor of a system in which the laws are derived from alleged revelation from God
Funny enough, so is a secular democracy. Since religious people are allowed to vote and run for office.
>>69918609
You're about as German as I am an Eskimo.
Which is to say not one bit. Go to any country in the world and tell people just how German you are and watch them laugh in your face.
>>69914023
>proves nothing
>facts prove nothing
Okay then, Mehmet, you can go fuck your cousin now.
>>69915605
Sleep tight baby baba
>>69918609
du bist nicht deutsch-türkisch, sowas gibts nicht, egal was in deinen papieren steht, die deutschen die in der türkei leben sind auch keine türken, deren kinder ebenfalls nicht und werden es nie sein
>>69918781
tut mir leid aber sehr leid. ich weiß schon, dass das die nummer deiner ex ist, die dich vor ner woche für hassan verlassen hat.
>>69913020
If you are a Turk you are not a German so get the fuck out of my fatherland before I come over there gas so many of you degenerate swine that nobody will have a reason to talk about muh 6 gorillion because they'll be too busy trying to get rid of the mountain of Turkish ash spanning from Berlin to Istanbul.
>>69918458
cont.
>Now it just so happens that there is no good reasons to believe in Islam
Well when you're acting like your cultural views are a universal truths even though they are fairly recent in history and when you're strawmanning most of your arguments, your statement implies you wouldn't tell what is reason.
> why Muslims have to impose this with the use of force
False. Most of Islam was spread without forced conversations. Even in places were Muslim armies went to, it tooks hundreds of years before Islam became a significant majority religion. And in places where no Muslim armies went (like Indonesia), Islam spread.
>I happen to want to live in a democratic system
For someone who claims to like democracy, you're very afraid of opposing thoughts.
>That is certainly one scholar who isn't Malik himself,
That's not how Islamic tradition works. Malikis or scholars subscribed to Maliki school aren't dimissed simply because they're not Maliki. Maliki was not a prophet.
>would not renouncing Islam make me a de facto traitor
No. Because albeit the system would be derived from Islam, there is no compulsion in religion.
>>69913020
Because ISIS is the true incarnation of Islam, you are a heretic.
When the entire holy book of a religion is a guide on conquering nation, it is a belief of violence and subjugation and we can NOT be tolerant of intolerant cultures.
>>69918458
>when a person has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed
Wow, it's almost as if the Koran was written by a bunch of edgy teens and autistic /b/-tards
>>69919544
There is no punishment of apostasy in the Quran.
>>69913020
Because your kind's collective contribution to the world is suicide bombers, jihadists, rapists, and infinitely reproducing welfare queens. You're expected value is between a flashy explosion and socio-economical dead-weight . You'll never contribute anything good to our collective. Ever. You don't need an American to bake a burger and you don't need a dirty turk to cut the kebab. Anzujaamu is the only good thing in to crawl out of your cave, please kill yourself in her honor.
>>69913020
kill yourself you dumb fuck
>>69919634
Are you a muslim? Because i'm loving seeing you destroying these fools. Keep going.
>>69914872
AUSLÄNDER GEH
TÜRKE ADE
>>69919397
That would be a lot more intimidating if it wasn't coming from a leaf.
>>69914088
Those dubs :)
>>69919121
>Du bist nicht X, weil ich das sage!
Ach, meine Papiere sind mir genug, um mir meine Beanspruchung zu erklären. Außerdem bin ich hier geboren und neben deutschen Genossen aufgewachen. Ich denke, dass unsere Vorstellung eines 'richtigen' deutschen Bürgers ähneln, nur finde ich nicht, dass das Herkunftsland der vorherigen Generationen identisch mit dem Herkunftsland der Einheimischen sein muss ;)
>>69918962
>With your shitty mentality, nothing should be prohibited that highly leads to deaths or bad health effects.
Wrong my Islamo nigger friend. I already told you : we live in a democratic system in which people discuss and make decision, hopefully, based on those discussion. There was a time in the US when alcohol was prohibited. Now it isn't. It may change, but it won't be based on what Mo the dumbass said.
>Learn to argue, you can't even appropriate a similar argument based on similarity of another.
Your argument was : alcohol cause death and since life is precious it shouldn't be allowed. So the only thing I had to do was find something else which "caused" death but you wouldn't be in favor of banning. Note that you didn't understand what I said since your answer was "it would warrant more regulation on alcohol" when what you quoted explicitly states "NON ALCOHOL RELATED CAR DEATHS".
>Sources are the end and all
They are certainly evidence. Your claim was that there is no historical basis for the belief that Muhammad fucked a nine years old. I provide such a basis thereby rendering your claim false. There may be evidence to the contrary but it doesn't mean there is no historical basis for a belief that he did.
>Says the parasite who can't contribute.
I'm never surprised to see a muslim assume things he can't demonstrate.
>Unlike you, I don't force my religious belief or lack thereof on others.
No muslims got a """tiny minority"""" of people doing that for them and then they pretend Islam has nothing to do with it. It's nice and convenient.
>Funny enough, so is a secular democracy. Since religious people are allowed to vote and run for office.
Confirmed for not knowing what a secular democracy is. Just because you vote based on religious motive doesn't mean that the law itself derives from it (it derives from human deliberation) or that it's legitimacy rests on it (it rests on some form of due process). The law can contradict God's will.
>>69913020
This guy isn't a turk at all. None of autistic apes like you can construct well organized sentences.
Nice try Hans.
>>69913020
>Why do you people hate Islam so much?
I've had to deal with people giving me shit my whole life for being an atheist. Stop being a pussy. At least you have a fucking god to turn to for help.
>tips fedora
>>69919634
>I didn't say religious law dictates that he should be killed, I said he deserves to die
>it's too nuanced for you to understand even if you speak Arabic perfectly, consult your local imam
WEW
I'm seriously wondering, why is the west scared of Turkey?
hmm so after /pol/'s logic a mixed turk who is raised in germany by a german and turkish parent is a turk but never a german
>>69919970
Ich bin in einer Garage geboren. Meine Papiere sagen, ich hab 150 PS und mein TÜV läuft bald ab.
>>69914785
when you run into a gap to hide in the kitchen and your chitin gets ripped off
>>69913256
Glad first post pointed it out. That meme defense of islam is a very thinly veiled threat.
God made us as his image !
>>69913020
You're either German or Turk.
Your religion is complete bullshit.
Your prophet was a pedo-asshole.
Please fuck off and die.
Thanks.
>>69916640
Yes but even in the old testament (which were guide lines almost entirely for jews might I add) it wasn't, just go fuck these people up cause religion, unless it had something to do with the holy land e.g. canaanites.
Talmud DOES say that non jews should betreated like animals, that they aren't human, that you can RAPE 3 year old girls that are goy's.
It also conveniently has rules for when jews are in absolute power and when they aren't, with the more sadistic rules being obviously for when they aren't.
Your deceit doesn't work here.
>>69916466
It says both, It realistically is up to the person leading the califate, it suggests things like "convert or die" "tax them hardcore" it also like Judaism suggests deceiving people outside of the religion is A OK as long as it benefits Islam/ Judaism accordingly.
Yes Christians have because jews are straight up assholes they have proved this time and time again, however I'd like to point out unlike jews and muslims, the killings were not due to the teachings of christianity rather they were either 1 in defence of Christendom (which Islam constantly tried to take over) or because jews were doing what jews do best, fuck people who aren't jewish over.
>>69921145
>It also conveniently has rules for when jews are in absolute power and when they aren't, with the more sadistic rules being obviously for when they aren't.
For when they are in power.
>>69913600
Based Poland.
>>69913020
>German Turk
Are you a virgin whore as well?
>>69913020
>I am...
"The faggot that opens the same thread on atheism again and again on b, and won't stop till every shitposter on 4chan dies from rectal bleeding"
Fixed it 4 ya
>>69913020
>we would have already taken over the world
Jirahh
Migration Jihad.
People, look it up. Muslims migrate en-masse to convert and conquer and always have.
>>69919979
>construct well organized sentences
"concoct syntactically concise grammatical atoms" you faggot
eat your rice, drink your tea, say your prayers, go to bed
>>69913020
Just move to köln or kreuzberg. Nobody will bully you there
>>69919971
>nigger
So tolerant. Your mentality is actuall ywhat's against Canadian Charter
and democracy.
>we live in a democratic system in which people discuss and make decision
I didn't say alcohol should be illegal, you idiot. I'm destroying your
shitty argumentation that there is no basis on restricting or making
alcohol illegal.
But of course, since you have a shriveled brain, you need to resort to
attributing positions I didn't take. I haven't argued against democracy.
>So the only thing I had to do was find something else which "caused"
death but you wouldn't be in favor of banning.
Cars are actually useful and necessary for the economy and any modern
country. Alcohol really isn't (recreationally). You're doing a false
equivalency.
By your shitty "logic", nothing should be banned.
>Your claim was that there is no historical basis
There is none. The age of the hadiths contradict each other with other
recorded times. Thus those hadiths are weak and don't have to be taken
as fact. There are other hadiths known as weak.
Aisha's age is mid teens to late since she was 10 years older than her
sister Asmaa and according to know hadiths, the latter birth date is
known. Simple math reveals she's mid to late teens at time of consumption.
>I'm never surprised to see a muslim assume things he can't demonstrate.
You've already conceded that you don't contributed when you started your
tantrum about treason.
>pic
Comment you highlighted is an opinion, not a basis of islamic law.
ITT roach spouts taqiyya
>>69913020
Kill yourself, goat fucker.
>>69923852
Heard of the 2 sandniggers that raped a Woman in Japan?
>>69924313
It's not a real jap, probably a marine or some JETfag/weeb
>>69913020
when did this meme start
>>69919971
cont.
>No muslims got a """tiny minority"""" of people doing that for them and then they pretend Islam has nothing to do with it. It's nice and convenient.
Yes, Islam has nothing to do with it, only a perversion if it. Such thing happened in the past and they've always been know as khawarif (those who left). The khawarif where stabbing random people in the streets after Ali defeated them.
And funnily enough, no one likes to mention how Christianity was embeded in the two world wars and how secularism and state atheism was implicated in the millions of death in the last century by regimes like Khmer rouge.
>>69919971
>Confirmed for not knowing what a secular democracy is. Just because you vote based on religious motive doesn't mean that the law itself derives from it (it derives from human deliberation) or that it's legitimacy rests on it (it rests on some form of due process). The law can contradict God's will.
>Stupidity: The post
I'll spell it out for you.
1) Politicians vote based on their religions
2) The law is made by politicians in a secular democracy
3)Thus the law is based on religions
Simple logic. Your ridiculous "hurr durr doesn't mean the law derives from it" is a shitty excuse. If the law can derive from religion, then it shares property with religion. This is what derivation means. It doesn't have to be word by word.
The legitimacy in theocracies also rests on some form of process. You're not special.
Also, not even religious theologist believe in "God's will being the law". In Islam, it is state that if it is God's will all would be believers but it is not so. Thus from that religious belief, the law isn't necessarily God's will since humans have free will. Laws are affected to human judgement, that's not the point. The point is where the source comes from. And since many politicians can be religious, their source of legislation can be their interpretation of their religion. And secular democracies don't prohibit that (they couldn't)
>>69924313
US soldiers rape women in Japan constantly.
>>69924449
My university has banned 4chan. I'm there now. Internet is shit, so can't continue posting and refuting all the bullshit in this thread.
>>69924820
I guess that wasn't bad then.
>>69925070
Interestingly enough, when it's Americans that rape abroad, you shouldn't judge all Americans. But when it's brown migrants...
>>69913020
>German Turk
Burn in hell!
>>69913020
>There are over a billion muslims on this planet. If we were as hateful as you see us, we would have already taken over the world.
You are also very incompetent
>>69925412
Then there was no Armenian genocide...
>>69914508
Lives in Germany, doesnt learn the language. You should get back to your wasteland
>>69914023
>might be right
Then what are you doing in Germoney?
>>69913020
because it's the 21st fucking century, you religious fuck. religion isn't some necessoty like water, food and air, you can well do without one, especially one as backward as islam. christianity wasn't much better, but civilisation reined it in and it became a mere cultural phenonenon. whereas islam didn't, it still is as retarded.
so you better grow the fuck up, we gonna be flying to mars soon, while you still kneel to some child fucking prophet
>>69925962
>because it's the 21st fucking century
>IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR
Appeal to novelty all over again.
You're probably reply with a "ARE YOU KIDDING ME" post.
>>69914115
they have this child thing, absolutely halal
>German Turk
>German
>Turk roach
Choose one, you can't take both.
>>69913020
>we would already have taken over the world
you tried, and failed miserably because for all your aggression, you are dumb as rocks and fell short when faced with technologically superior civilizations
protip; north africa, the middle east, iran and pakistan didn't become muslim through their own free will
>>69926167
dafuq you bitchin at, your country has what, like ten of these shitskins?
and anyway, islsm should get one giant fucking appeal to novelty, it needs to be adjusted to to current fucking century. it's vakues are fucking incompatible with the western world.
>>69925231
rape seems to be generally a nationwide problem in your nation. When american rapists statisticly are higher/rape more than your own people you can start to compare it with the muslim rapes here.
Get back to your muslim shithole.
>>69913020
>Why do you people hate Islam so much?
>No pork
>No alcohol
Pork and alcohol are Western things. If you don't like them go live somewhere else.
>>69913020
kill yourself fucking idiot
>>69927099
Your argument is shit and its the same retarded argument SJWs use, don't try to deny it.
Saying that something is good on the mere fact because it's new is retarded, by that logic, all the SJW bullshit should be accepted because it's the CURRENT YEAR.
>>69926968
They did become Muslim of their own free will. It took hundreds of years for Muslims to be a majority even after an army entered. You're confusing correlation (and when with a big time lapse) with causation.
>>69927231
> When american rapists statisticly are higher/rape more
Actually that's the case in Japan and virtually everywhere US troops have bases.
>>69914780
This is why sandniggers are completely doomed to live in bomb rubble forever. Wherever they go death follows because hey, fuck it why not?
>>69927706
The world wars and multiple wars and coup d'etat in the cold war were done by Westerners. You had to create bloodshed everywhere to have peace at home. Like Orwell said, War is peace.
>>69913020
Why is this bitch associated with religion? If we were in Puritan times she'd be burned at the stake!
>>69915239
she looks like a guy here
>>69927689
>Actually that's the case in Japan and virtually everywhere US troops have bases.
Go kamikaze on their asses. I've no real insight if you're telling the truth or not or if you're a jap SJW and won't jump into conclusions for now.
>>69915495
Once a cheater always a cheater. And no one says it's okay when men do it.
>>69913020
I know that's a low quality bait, but, anon, what is that shit is all about?
>If we were as hateful as you see us, we would have already taken over the world
I don't understand this argument. They think that numbers decide something in 21 century? That they can just zerg rush the fuck out of us with a bunch of AKs and sticks? Are they delusional?
>>69928375
Are you an Indonesian immigrant?
>>69928279
You can use google right? Then lookup cases of recent US rape and sexual assaults in Japan. The problem is that the authorities hide it so the opposition against US presence doesn't increase or at least isn't going to be something people will try to do something about.
>won't jump into conclusions for now
But when it's muslims who do it, you always jump to conclusions.
>>69923852
>Cars are actually useful and necessary for the economy and any modern
>country. Alcohol really isn't (recreationally). You're doing a false equivalency.
Alcohol and recreation in general are huge for the economy. Get bent. There's also been a change in the argument. At first it was "it cause death therefore it should be banned" and now it's "it causes death and it's use in a way I don't approve of therefore it should be banned". Plus wasn't I arguing with some shitty leaf retard and not a fucking nip retard?
>The age of the hadiths contradict each other with other recorded times.
Then cite them.
>You've already conceded that you don't contributed when you started your tantrum about treason.
[Citation needed]
>Comment you highlighted is an opinion, not a basis of islamic law.
It's from a book of Islamic law you stupid idiot.
Here's the general pattern of argumentation with an Islamo faggot : Claim Islam is great. Show contradictory sources. Deny contradictory sources. Don't show any source yourself.
Islam is bullshit and there's no reason to believe in it. Muslims are the enemies of humanity and there should come a day when every one takes care of that fucking problem.
>1) Politicians vote based on their religions
>2) The law is made by politicians in a secular democracy
>3)Thus the law is based on religions
You're the dumbest person around. The law isn't LEGITIMATE on the basis of the fact that it corresponds to ANY RELIGION. It is LEGITIMATE on the basis of the fact that it respects a process which may then lead to a conclusion which is against any and all religion, like gay marriage, at which point there is no fucking basis on which to say that the law is based on religion.
Islam. Is. Shit.
>>69913020
I'm impressed this thread got so many replies.
>Germany diversifies from scat porn to scatposting
>>69928375
You do realize that at least 50% of the US army is Latinos and Niggers do you not?
>>69917773
Because i like freedom.
Death for adultry and leaving a religion is barbaric.
Everything islam touches turns to shit.
It's not hard to argue why islam is bad.
Fuck off, Mohammed.
>>69928574
Muslims aren't worthy of being called human, like japs in WW2.
>>69928574
>But when it's muslims who do it, you always jump to conclusions.
Yes, I live in germany and have read the available stats, so I have so insight an am allowed to do so.
>>69928574
I doubt you are a real Jap. You are either an Indonesian immigrant or a Weeb SJW Canadian/American English professor.
>>69928922
Japs are a race of drones and the majority are very nationalistic. A real Jap would never dare to differ from the status quo. Japs are a hive mind.
>>69928504
Anon, I need an answer! I keep hearing this bs argument and it makes no sense to me.
From what I understand 1/5th of the Turkish people believe that death is the appropriate punishment for leaving the religion so 20% of Turky has some very radical views. Turkey is the moderate Muslim nation too. Not that all Muslims are bad but like bill maher says, the ideas are bad.
>>69913020
If you do not like the conditions in Germany, return to your home country or migrate to another.
>>69928768
Meant for >>69928574
>>69913020
>I am a German Turk and a muslim. I get discriminated because of my religion every day.
Then go back to Turkey.
>Why do you people hate Islam so much? Why do you think that we all are suicide bombers? There are over a billion muslims on this planet. If we were as hateful as you see us, we would have already taken over the world.
Islam is reactionary. Most Muslims actively support, or are enablers of, many of the worst aspects of Islam. Muslims on average are certainly not smart enough to take over the world, even if they wanted to, because they're too busy accusing each other of being infidels and killing each other.
>>69914780
good job doing a literal 180
>we're not evil, trust me you racists
>death for apostasy is just common sense
that's why the whole world hates you
>>69913020
Because the turks in germany are just a cancer in society, but youre not allowed to say it. And pls spare the "mimimi ive got a job and dint du nuthin". Dont blame the germans for the failures of the turkish society who gives a fuck about immigration. What is it, that your people are just so bad in integration?
you are a hostile foreigner, nothing else.
your degenerate religion declares that every unbeliever must submit to islam, convert to islam, or be murdered. literally the word of your so-called prophet, whose entire life is a history of violent subjugation and/or slaughter of unbelievers.
you are shitstains. your own countries are all absolute garbage societies. your contributions to modern science and civilisation are nonexistant.
go hang yourself
>>69928577
>Alcohol and recreation in general are huge for the economy.
So were the gladiator games in Rome. Alcohol and recreational use isn't anywhere near as important as cars today. Virtually everything relies on transport. You're an idiot.
> a change in the argument.
No there wasn't.
>Plus wasn't I arguing with some shitty leaf retard and not a fucking nip
Look who's new to 4chan.
>Then cite them.
"“She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa, wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her. … In 73 A.H. … Asma died at the age of one hundred years.” Mishkat al-Masabih
And since it's known that marriage was at 2 A.H then Asmaa (Aisha's sister) would have been 29. Aisha being younger than her is 19.
Simple math but you think it's all about sources. The math is implied for sound minds to do their own critical thinking.
>It's from a book of Islamic law you stupid idiot.
Again the "it's from a source that's the golden statement!". You're retarded. It's not even part of the hadith, it's just an opinion by author who's not a scholar.
>Show contradictory sources. Deny contradictory sources
An offhand opinion isn't a source that has authority. Your whole argument is based on false equivalency of sources.
> Muslims are the enemies of humanity
And yet have killed less and have preserve minorities. Where are the Jews and Muslims of Spain that lived there for a long time? Oh wait, they were expelled.
>there should come a day when every one takes care of that fucking problem.
The fact that you're implying genocide shows how barbaric you are.
>The law isn't LEGITIMATE on the basis of the fact that it corresponds to ANY RELIGION.
Strawman argument. You're deflecting now, that's not what the argument was about. You aren't even able to refute the logic in the argument you greentexted. Go ahead and see the gap in logic or weakness of any premises. You can't.
> which may then lead to a conclusion which is against any and all religion
Every system of law ever.
>>69913020
>I get discriminated because of my religion every day.
Then get a new one, dipshit. Everyone in the world who's not a complete moron thinks you're a cunt for following a stupid death cult. Why can you still not see your beliefs are probably shit-tier?
Are you THAT fucking retarded? If so, then you have absolutely nothing to offer the world and quite rightly belong in history's garbage can of failed ideologies.
>>69930287
>. Everyone in the world who's not a complete moron thinks you're a cunt for following a stupid death cult
No just you and your minority group.
Trying to appeal to popularity and failing so miserably shows you have a modicum of cognition.
>>69930655
>No just you and your minority group.
source?
>>69930227
>So were the gladiator games in Rome. Alcohol and recreational use isn't anywhere near as important as cars today. Virtually everything relies on transport. You're an idiot.
It's nice you accuse me of doing false equivalency when you're equating alcohol consumption with gladiator games. The point is : having a beer, or two, or three, is perfectly fine and we're not about to base our laws concerning alcohol on the fact that Muhammad didn't want his little desert tribesman to drink because they were too primitive to handle it.
>Simple math but you think it's all about sources. The math is implied for sound minds to do their own critical thinking.
Oh I see. So this circumstantial hadith is sound but the four that I cite in Bukhari and directly mention her age are bullshit. Let's just mention the fact that there's no prohibition against child marriage in the Koran and that child marriage is a thing in Islam. But surely all the experts throughout history are wrong. It's the modern revisionist that are right, just at the moment when Islam needs to be made palatable to the west.
>who's not a scholar.
How do you figure? You realize I cite book from Shafi'i and Hanafi and hadiths from Malik, right? You wanna look up the pedigree of the author of "A summary of Islamic jurisprudence"?
>Saleh Al-Fawzan
>Fawzan studied in the state school in ash-Qamariyah when it opened 1948.[1] In 1950 he completed his studies at the Faysaliyyah school in Buraydah and subsequently was appointed a teacher at the school.[1] Fawzan joined the Educational Institute in Buraydah when it opened in 1952, and graduated from it in 1956.[1] He was a student at Imam Muhammad ibn Saud Islamic University in Riyadh, where he initially studied at the faculty of Sharia, graduating in 1960, before earning a master's and doctorate in Fiqh.[1]
If I didn't cite experts you'd be berating me about "scholarly consensus" and other bullshit because you can't admit that Islam is garbage.
>>69930655
>Japan defending shitskins.
Why do I think you're not Japanese, Kohai?
>just you and your minority group.
How about everyone who has youtube and can actually see what sand-niggers are like, instead of what they claim to be like?
It might come as a surprise to you, but most people judge others on whether their deeds match their words. It's a concept called honour. I'd have thought you would have heard of it!
>>69927895
I'm sorry, what?
Who started the Pacific Front in WWII? Oh yeah, Japan.
You guys had the balls to not even declare war first before you surprise attacked and you couldn't even finish the job right.
Playing the victim after the atrocities you 肉便器 did with the rest of Asia is disgusting. Don't pretend like you had nothing to do with it.
Japan in the first half of the 20th Century wanted to be a big western kid but had no idea how to actually do it.
Maybe the current generation will be more effective than attempting to guilt trip americans into thinking the atomic bombs weren't necessary.
>>69928577
cont.
>pic
Taken out of historical context and textual one yet again. The offensive jihad was meant for nations or regions not allowing Muslims to exist or any one of them speaking about their religion/practice it. Some modern scholars disagree and so do some other Sunni schools and prominent Shia ones.
This would be like if Christians waged war on Muslim lands for not letting Christian pilgrims. This was one of the Crusades justification (I believe the Third). It wasn't wrong based on that very premise. If Muslims didn't let a Christian do his pilgrimage, then the Christians wouldn't be wrong for waging a war. But that doesn't have to be the only option, hence why there was some negotiation and agreement after.
>>69913020
>Why do you people hate Islam so much?
Filthy shit religion that is too dirty to wipe my arse with.
>>69916576
Protestantism is on the path to Atheism, my friend. Convert to Orthodoxy.
>>69930227
>And yet have killed less and have preserve minorities.
Right. Which is why they annihilated every native culture Islam ended up invading. By the way : pic related are your minorities """""""right""""""" in Islam.
I'm not interested. Nobody should be interested.
>The fact that you're implying genocide shows how barbaric you are.
Problems should be fixed.
>Strawman argument. You're deflecting now, that's not what the argument was about.
Really? Let's go back to my original claim :
>Just because you vote based on religious motive doesn't mean that the law itself derives from it (it derives from human deliberation) or that it's legitimacy rests on it (it rests on some form of due process)
Hmmm. So the legitimacy of the law rests on the fact that it followed a process and not based on the fact that it fits a particular religion. So if I were to ask somebody why I should follow a particular Canadian law, he should say :
>Well anon, because a duly elected representative body of the Canadian people drafted it and debated it in accordance with a process of deliberation ensuring that a maximum number of voices were considered before a vote in the house of common was taken, which ensured that the law is as fair and sensible as possible in the context of a complex society.
Now, let's see what the response would be in an Islamic system :
>It's God's will. I know it's God's will because Muhammad heard the angel say it.
>Every system of law ever.
So Shariah can be against Islam? What?
Men can rape women with impunity usually resulting in the woman being stoned. End of story that is a morally corrupt point of view and if that's accepted anywhere in Muslim culture I would leave the right now unless you'll be murdered for it
>>69925231
you do realize the amount of western immigrants to rapes caused by westerners is most likely much lower than the amount of middle eastern immigrants to rapes caused by middle easterners (look at Sweden)
Don't be retarded. Nobody on this board would hate Islam if they were as moderate as Jews or Christians. They aren't. If Christianity were the predominant religion or ideology of the middle east with the same attitude, /pol/ and any other rational person would hate what was happening there as well.
If you want to make the argument that "it's j-j-j-just interpretation!!!" then yeah, sure, you can interpret the testament to be violent as well. The difference is Christians and Jews don't act on violent parts of the book (except in Israel, which surprise surprise is in the fucking middle east surrounded by nations under dogmatic religion that calls Jews filth of the earth that needs to be stamped out).
Don't be retarded.
>>69931385
If you could follow the thread, you'd know I'm not Japanese. Go back to rebbit.
>youtube
And after watching Westerners, a non-Westerner would think you're all degenerate and SJWs, who abuse men instead of women. They'd be as generalizing as you are.
>most people judge others on whether their deeds match their words
Which is why countries like the US and UK have a negative view in the region for doing shit like the war in Iraq.
>>69913020
Fake. What mudslime knows about The NeverEnding story.
>>69915853
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>>69931942
>non-Westerner would think you're all degenerate and SJWs
Are you completely removed from the reality of this board? Half the shit is about Turk roaches and the other half is about the death of the white race because of that garbage.
>Which is why countries like the US and UK have a negative view in the region for doing shit like the war in Iraq.
Yeah, which is why Japan has a negative view for pretending the warcrimes on the Asian continent never happened. People criticize this bullshit as well, the difference is that this happened years ago and the Islamist rape epidemics are happening now.
>>69931124
>>69931124
>when you're equating alcohol consumption with gladiator games.
I'm shitting on your very poor argument.
>The point is : having a beer, or two, or three, is perfectly fine
Even after claims of moderation, the is still a significant portion that takes it too far and contributes to deaths and violence. Your argument is erroneous because it fails to look at the bigger picture. Now you're conceding that equating car deaths with alcohol deaths was retarded.
>>69931124
>So this circumstantial hadith is sound but the four that I cite in Bukhari and directly mention her age are bullshit.
You can't reason for shit. This simply means the age is unknown and the hadiths about the age are weak.
>>69931124
>. Let's just mention the fact that there's no prohibition against child marriage
Actually there is
"And test the orphans [in their abilities] until they reach marriageable age. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them. And do not consume it excessively and quickly, [anticipating] that they will grow up. And whoever, [when acting as guardian], is self-sufficient should refrain [from taking a fee]; and whoever is poor - let him take according to what is acceptable. Then when you release their property to them, bring witnesses upon them. And sufficient is Allah as Accountant." 4:6
It's the only religion to have such a thing as a marriageable age.
>How do you figure?
The author of the book wasn't a scholar you idiot. The side note was an opinion.
>master's and doctorate in Fiqh
There's more to that than being an actual scholar in Islam. There is merit through the amount of credit they get. He simply added side notes doesn't make him a scholar.
>>69932640
>It's the only religion to have such a thing as a marriageable age.
Who gives a shit when they don't define what the marriageable age actually is. Who gives two fucks if they said "only if they're ready to marry" when their idea of ready to marry is 4 years old.
>>69913020
lol shut the fuck up. How fucking dare you put words in my mouth.
>>69931719
>>69931719
>Which is why they annihilated every native culture Islam ended up invading.
Copts in Egypt still exist. Where are the Muslims and Jews of Spain? Oh wait, you kicked them out. You also massacred many Jews from Eastern Europe and central Europe.
>pic: MUH JIZYA
Muslims had to pay Zakat tax, go whine about the revisionist inequalities in Tumblr.
>Problems should be fixed.
Your idiocy and self-contradiction is the problem here
>followed a process
Voting by politicians, who are mostly part of a religion of some sort. Those politicians are also voted in by people who tend to prescribe to a religion.
>It's God's will.
There is no "It's God's will" when it comes to implement a law in Islam. Like I said before (and you've conceded to this point), whoever God wills will believe. This is a known islamic belief. Thus, the laws and their derivation are not God's will. They're man made. The inspiration is divine commandments and ethics, sure. But the law itself and its process isn't any different from secular democracy.
The fact that you're unable to argue against the argumentation before, shows that you've conceded to that point also.
It's very simple, politicians whose views are based on religion can also vote in a way that goes against the religion. They have their own interpretations and are human.
>inb4 but there is a process!
Like any law. And the legitimization doesn't mean much when a politician can still vote based on his religion.
>>69931942
>If you could follow the thread
Implying I'd read 200+ replies in order to BTFO a retard.
>after watching Westerners, a non-Westerner would think you're all degenerate and SJWs
My degeneracy (or lack of) is my business. You can fuck off with your generalizing. Western values are not based on a book written by SJW's. Islamic values ARE based on a book written by a cunt.
>countries like the US and UK have a negative view in the region
Implying my country goes round beheading people and stoning them to death for shit like listening to pop music. We bomb you because you are savages. Shit like Beslan school No1 is proof of that, as is pic related. Tell me what harm that child or his family was doing to your shitty religion?
Our system of law is based on the Golden Principle. It is thousands of years old, and is based on the idea that you actually have to cause someone harm before you are punished, not killed by a mob because someone shouted some extremist shit.
>You know your religion is shit-tier when even Buddhist Monks want to genocide you
>>69933000
>>69933000
>they don't define what the marriageable age actually is
That's because it depends on society. In some, 14 was considered matures. Nowadays it's 16 to 18. In spain and portugal it's under 15. In the future, it may be 25 because some will argue that the brain doesn't finish developing until that age.
>>69913020
>If we were as hateful as you see us, we would have already taken over the world.
Never mistake incompetence for benevolence.
>>69933658
>Implying I'd read 200+ replies in order to BTFO a retard.
Arguing from ignorance just goes to show how anti-knowledge you are.
>My degeneracy (or lack of) is my business
Not when you shove it down the throat of everyone and make it open and force it to be acceptable because it's the current year.
>>69933658
>Western values are not based on a book written by SJW's
One could argue SJWs ideas is the logical conclusion of Western values...
>>69933658
>Implying my country goes round beheading people and stoning them to death for shit like listening to pop music
No you bomb them because of oil. How tolerant.
>>69933658
>Our system of law is based on the Golden Principle.
Interestingly enough http://www.gallup.com/poll/157067/views-violence.aspx you are more likely to justify killing of civilians than Muslims.
You only believe in the Golden rule when it's suitable.
>Buddhist Monks want to genocide you
Buddhist Monks were killing Christians before. https://books.google.com/books?id=bLUkAQAAIAAJ
