Reminder that if you're an atheist you're no better than a communist, and if you're a pagan you're a savage warmongering heathen who are supposed to be warriors but play the victim game against Christians
Roman catholicism is the only valid, non dumbass faith. It's not too late to convert
i'm muslim
>>69905355
Forgot to add that
If you're a Muslim you're no better than dirt and will be treated like it
>>69905316
But OP, I'm Orthodox Presbyterian.
>Muh paedobaptism
>Muh Westminster confession
>Muh covenantal hermeneutic
>Muh Calvinist soteriology
>Muh amillennialism
>>69905355
Get lost
>>69905355
subhuman roach
>>69905316
>Galatians 3:28
Fucking kill yourself, Christianity has been hijacked at best, it's a mind virus and turns it's hosts into cucks. Any population that refuses to identify with themselves are annhilated by a group who does.
Jews = homogenous gods chosen.
Christians = Africans and Europeans are brothers in christ!!
"we'll kill christ to make them think we are the enemy and embolden them!!"
The kikes think 5 steps ahead you fucking cuckold burger cunt. If you are labeled you are destoryed.
>>69905355
jebem te mater
>>69905316
Communism is the bastard child of Christianity.
>>69905605
Lenses create self fulfiling views.
>>69905605
good goy
Yes, put the Christians in the dirt
Good goy
Yes show them what they truly are
Goyim
>>69905783
Communism is postmillennial Calvinism that removed Christ and the Bible but kept the euphoric "city on a hill" vision.
Absolutely retarded.
>>69905316
who uses the word dumbass on the internet in 2016
>>69905466
/thread
>>69905316
I'm an atheist.
Crusade me, faggot.
>>69905499
My nigga Orthodox Presbyterian fo lyfe
>>69905316
*licks between Muslim invaders toes*
>>69906021
Glad we can troll Reformed Baptists together ;^)
>>69905316
I don't believe in your god, but I'll gladly pretend to if it means defeating the muslims.
>>69905700
>>69905603
>>69905598
>>69906265
During the fight against the Muslims you will find God.
He will forgive you and you will die a glorious death in the crusade along side your new Christian brothers, we will secure a place for ourselves in God's kingdom
British agnostic here, what about me? I can safely say that man made religions are nonsense, I cannot however prove there isn't a god, yet.
I like Christian ideology, I can just never be one because it requires beliefs that simply contradict evidence and reality.
>>69906329
>>69906753
>>69905316
Fuck off you neckbearded larper.
You're a faggot.
>>69906857
>>69905316
I'm an atheist with fairly Christian values. Come at me.
>>69905316
>Roman catholicism is the only valid, non dumbass faith.
Kek, pic related.
Christianity is the reason the west is cucked. It destroyed the martial spirit of the Roman empire and caused its collapse. Luckily for over a thousand years afterwards most Christians rejected the hippy shit.
But now Christians are cucked again, and their vapid values have so thoroughly infected the west that atheistic progressive types have also fully embraced values like tolerance and loving your enemy, despite them obviously being suicidal values.
It's time for the West the reject the cuck religion and ideology and replace with something more affirming.
>>69906930
>>69907202
>Equating modern Cuckolicism with Christianity
>>69905466
Agreed
>>69907202
>Vatican II
>Real Catholicism
Fuck Christianity. Secular crusades or nothing.
You spelled terrorist wrong
>>69905316
Fuck off Ruinous Jew lover! Kek is the truth! KEK'S ETERNAL MEMETIC PANETHEON WILL SAVE US CUNTLICKER!
>>69907202
Replace it with what you dumb shit?
>>69907566
>>69905316
Why do you worship a Jew? Why do you support war when Jesus, your god and savior, would never support any fighting?
>>69907313
Modern Cuckolicism is true Christianity. It very much resembles the early Christianity that the caused cuck God to allow himself to be crucified, that caused the cuck followers to willingly walk into the Colosseum to be eaten by Lions, that caused the cucked Roman empire to fall.
Christianity may have been good after this and until recently, but that certainly wasn't true Christianity. The new testament is pure cuckoldry from start to finish, the west would have been super shit if Christians actually followed it in the times since the Roman empire.
Progressive values are Christian values in secular form. Christianity is the problem.
>>69907595
Literally anything short of Marx would be less of a cuck ideology than Christianity.
>>69907202
>>69907280
>it's a footfag spams the thread episode
>>69907864
Yes, this Kek's panetheon is the same as European Pegans! BA'AL IS THOR!
>>69907644
Nice digits
>>69908015
Shut up Jew. Kek is a fucking lie, it is /pol/ that does it. Not some faggot redditfrog. It is you. You the anon, with the other anons working in a constant clash.
>Christianity
Famalads come on now
>>69907864
>that caused the cuck followers to willingly walk into the Colosseum to be eaten by Lions
That actually never happened. According to sources christian persecution during reign of Nero was limited to fines.
>>69907939
Give us a sugestion bro. I can't think of a better replacement.
>>69908218
>Paganism
Why is it that you choose to be a loser?
>>69905316
How many of paladin levels you have in this rpg of yours?
>>69908182
>I can't prove him wrong
>call him a jew
Which one of us worships a Jew now, angry Cuck?
>>69908822
>double repeating digits
>>69908822
You, for trying to imply that what's going on, the meme magic is some paganistic tool, it us. It is the fucking users doing it. It is the might of /pol/ that is doing it. Kek is a kike tool to make /pol/ look weak, look retarded, to make us look as bad as [s4s].
>>69905316
Ave Maria, Ave Maria.
Deus vult, brother.
>>69908969
>kek
>Kike tool
>WORSHIPPING
>A
>JEW
>>69905316
>Roman Catholicism
Enjoy praying to Mary you dumb faggot, Evangelicalism is the only non shit tier denomination.
>>69909141
Yes, Kek is a kike tool to make us look bad. You fucking JIDF shill, get out. What has this so called "kek" done? Nothing. It is /pol/ that does it. It is the might of /pol/ collective thought that wills it, and I will not sit here and listen to some damn pagan telling me that a fucking frog did it. It is man that did it, not a fucking frog.
>>69905316
I was seriously considering converting.
And then Pope Francis started being a faggot.
>>69909319
>what has this kek done
Kek has been awakened by the collective thought of /Pol/!
>>69909341
Then ignore the Pope, he has no power over you.
>>69909418
No. That is retarded mindset, /pol/ always had this and you fucking know it. You disinfo kike shill, /pol/ is and always will be the strongest, and no fucking frog has done anything.
>>69905316
>following Semetic sand nigger kike religion to keep good goyim pacified.
You are pathetic and Taranis frowns upon you.
>>69909581
>be pagan
>get tree cut down
>convert by choice
>>69905316
Most Atheist haven't actually given the existence of God any real thought. They're hell bound anyway, since they've come to their Atheism by believing only what their eyes can see, not much you can do to convince them.
>>69909709
>Most Atheist haven't actually given the existence of God any real thought.
Sadly I can confirm this. After debating with atheists for so long I can safely say many of them are fucking retarded in ways that make even creationists look intelligent.
"fucking cuckold burger cunt." Was the only thing I got from this thread. Much like any religion and stealing it for my own purposes.
>>69909709
Not just our eyes, but what we can work out using modern science. We can see that man made religions contradict what we now know to be true about the world and the universe around us. We cannot however disprove God entirely, so that is obviously stupid to state.
One of the ultimate goals of science should be to either prove or disprove the existence of some kind of deity.
>>69905316
actually I'm human
>stop projecting your shitty jew based beliefs here, swine
>>69910115
>being this prideful
>>69905316
>Worshipping a plank of wood
>>69910282
>said the Spanish rape baby
>>69910282
>>>/santamuerte/
>>69909709
>God comes to Earth in the form of Jesus
>walks around for years teaching people absolutely nothing of import
>tells people that disease are devils and not microscopic organisms
>in fact makes no mention of micro organisms
>God speaks nothing of electricity, plumbing, sanitation, science, math, engineering, or medicine
>could have saved millions of lives by just mentioning micro pathogens
>instead just heals a few faggots by touching them
Yeah you're right atheists are the dumb ones.
>>69910145
>projecting
having some pride in what god gave you isn't a sin being a little bitch the judge and executioner is
>>69909709
>Most Atheist haven't actually given the existence of God any real thought
It's not something that needs much thought, it's obviously not true. I haven't given the validity of astrology or reincarnation much thought either.
>not much you can do to convince them.
Yeah, because there isn't any evidence. If you make ridiculous claims(a guy you can't see created everything and will judge you after you die/after you die you go on living...somehow) and you just say "you just have to believe, have faith!" people will dismiss your dumb shit.
>>69910529
I what?
>>69905316
>>69905466
How great to see a world just for Christians, we could be conquering the star but know we have to drag every shit stain out of poverty
>>69910061
>Not just our eyes, but what we can work out using modern science.
That is precisely what I am saying. Most Atheist are too fixated upon the stream in front of them that is science, that they are unable to look at everything else around.
>One of the ultimate goals of science should be to either prove or disprove the existence of some kind of deity.
Except that science can do no such thing. If a God were to exist, then it would have to be something beyond physical existence. The only real way we can either prove or disprove the existence of God is by examining the traits we share with this God (You didn't think the "made man in his own image" part of the Bible was all for naught did you) we must look at our selves if we are to understand God.
>>69909709
I think a lot of Atheists probably have given the existence of God a lot of thought.
One can convince that God MAY exist. But the Christian God specifically? Not a chance. Don't know why you'd want the Christian God anyway, he's a cuck in the new testament.
>>69905316
>Reminder that if you're an atheist you're no better than a communist
>Implying
>>69905316
I'm not religious, but I would gladly march alongside my Christian brethren to remove kebab.
Why do you guys talk like you're all retarded?
>>69910871
For the time being, we have a much bigger and badder fish to fry.
A friendly reminder that modern christianity is designed to
a) take your money
b) make you a cuck
c) make you fear death
>>69910726
>That is precisely what I am saying. Most Atheist are too fixated upon the stream in front of them that is science, that they are unable to look at everything else around.
I see Christians say this bullshit all the time. But here's the thing, most Atheists do look around at the other shit with a sense of wonder. Many do ponder a God or reflect on philosophically.
But it's a pretty big leap to go from asking existential questions to God being a cuck who sacrificed himself for the sins committed by someone who we can be pretty confident didn't exist.
Christianity, and most organised religions don't create a sense of wonder that there might be more to what we see and experience, they undermine it by claiming the monopoly on those things and then presenting retarded stories to explain it.
>>69910732
OT God is pretty cool, kicks the shit out of people, smites guys for petty bullshit, leads his people in battle, he's a real god. Doesn't give a single shit and has massive emotional outbursts like a god should.
Remember: pulling out and cumming on her tits=worthy of smiting/ fucking a whore on the street=a-okay.
>>69910624
>It's not something that needs much thought,
On the contrary. Based upon what the Bible teaches, I'd say that what it talks about is certainly worth considering. By reading the Bible you can find a philosophy of eternity and infinity hidden with in its pages.
And when reject the idea of God, you should seriously consider just what it is that you're rejecting. Something which you clearly haven't done since you are so very dismissive of the idea.
>Yeah, because there isn't any evidence.
Now normally I would say that looking for exigvidence of God in the universe is like looking for the identity of a particular architect within a particular house he has built. But this time I will instead propose that the existence of reason itself is clear evidence for God. Not just our herd instinct, but our ability to judge right and wrong, and our ability understand higher concepts such as the idea of God quite adequately constitutes as evidence for the existence of God.
>>69905316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCOCiXk6ZMM
stay mad
>>69910726
Look at ourselves? Our own bodies have leftovers from evolution, as do we have proof of our ancestry. That alone is enough to disprove the fundamental points made by the Bible at the very least.
>>69905316
reminder that if you're worshipping a dead kike who said you should love him more than your own family you're the ultimate cuck.
>implying these are the only religions that exist
you just reminded me how much i loathe Christians
>>69911358
>actually using Sola Scriptura bullshit as an excuse to disprove God
Fucking English teacher.
>cucktholics
No thanks
>>69911468
>it's a cuckold that spams the queer Pope episode
>>69911272
Exactly, now that's a god worthy of respect. A god who only cares about himself an d his people.
Christianity dreams of a world where Pope's kiss African feet. It's a disgusting and vapid religion worthy only of slaves and cucks.
>>69906734
Read "The Reason for God" by Timothy Keller. Super good book.
>>69911266
>I see Christians say this bullshit all the time
I'm going to lingering too long on the fact that you sound like an edgy teenager, but there it is.
Either way the point of my original statement is that Atheists seek evidence, for the existence of God. They look for physical signs of God in the universe and are further drawn away from the idea when they see the world right before them. They fail to consider the idea of anything beyond them, because they are so fixated upon all finite things that are occurring around them. It is for this very reason that they so often and loudly demand for physical evidence, without considering just what exactly constitutes as evidence.
>>69905316
> "You are My war-club, My weapon of war; And with you I shatter nations, And with you I destroy kingdoms"
Deus Vult brother
>>69911293
>Based upon what the Bible teaches, I'd say that what it talks about is certainly worth considering
It's worth considering as much as what SpiritScience talks about is worth considering. You consider it, think it sounds pretty neat and then realize it's actually dumb as fuck and makes no sense.
>you should seriously consider just what it is that you're rejecting
Okay then explain it to me since I apparently don't understand.
>>69911358
No, he meant it more philosophically, a "looking inward" kind of thing. A "we think, therefore God" line of talk
>>69905316
Reminder that if you're a Crusader you're a LARPing faggot who looks up to Latin heretics that got BTFO several times and their only success was sacking Constantinople and opening the floodgates, and you'll never have another crusade because your pope is a refugee kissing cuck.
>>69908971
no replies? FUCKING HEATHENS
DEUS VULT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXT16Rs4vdQ&ab_channel=TheSlowbrother
So, what about orthodox?
>>69911358
>Look at ourselves? Our own bodies have leftovers from evolution
You're clearly missing the point, and demonstrating exactly what I am talking about when I say Atheists can't seem to pry themselves away from what their eyes can readily see.
When I say to look at yourself, I am saying to look at what you are as a human being. Not your animal ancestor, not your physiology, but your mind. That ocean of consciousness that fuels everything you do. You ability to reason, your ability to judge right from wrong, your ability to understand higher ideals, even your capacity for cruelty, are all examples of things that point to a higher being having created us.
>>69907202
stormfags gtfo
>>69907280
>turk
>>69911718
I repeat, why the Christian God?
It is one thing to feel there is something more than what physical evidence can show us. It i another entirely to then think Christianity is the way to.
And it is bullshit for Christians to jump on this as a critique of atheists when Christianity is far from the conclusion of such thinking.
>>69911836
Shut up reactionary faggot. I bet you fucking converted to Orthodox because of the Pope. Kill yourself.
>>69912105
>all examples of things that point to a higher being having created us
How?
>>69912105
The human mind is literally a product of evolution and if you weren't a total dumbass you would realize that nature experimented with multiple sizes of hominid brains before creating homo sapien sapiens.
>>69905316
Reminder that if you're a Christian you literally worship a fucking plank of wood
>>69905316
Why can't I be an atheist and a racist who wants to join in on the crusade? I don't mind living in a christian society, I could raise my children christian, if the religion becomes very important in society and I wouldn't propagate my ideology in any way.
I just can't get over the God shit and I refuse to play along nicely and lie about it.
>>69912105
>You ability to reason, your ability to judge right from wrong, your ability to understand higher ideals, even your capacity for cruelty, are all examples of things that point to a higher being having created us.
Actually, they point to a mystery. A mystery that should produce interesting and insightful philosophical discussion for gentlemen but instead have been hijacked by Christfags jumping from "Isn't this amazing?" to "LOVE YOUR ENEMY GUISE".
>>69912305
>nature experimented
top kek it was a plan all along
>pagans in Britain like to pretend that before christianity came along pagans were peaceful people who danced among oak trees and were one with nature
>they were actually a bunch of drunken celts roaming starting fights with other celts for fun because war was part of their religion
>>69912722
Why were dinosaurs created?
>>69912229
>the Pope
Not even once, papist heretic
unitarian universalist master race
>>69911806
What you are rejecting is, as I have said, the idea of eternity. That perhaps there is something beyond us. Us meaning us as human beings. You are rejecting the origin of your ability to reason to judge right from wrong and the idea that there is an objective good, favoring instead the idea that our reason is simply animal instinct. And you're rejecting the existence of a being that is very interested in the way we act and how we conduct ourselves, and is very interested in getting us to act in a human and good manner. You're rejecting the existence of your eternal soul, and therefore accepting punishment from a jury, without pardon, because your do not believe the court exists.
Now I am not saying that your should simply believe in God because you are afraid of what he will do to you, Pascal has already shown us how foolish doing such a thing is. I am instead proposing that you consider just what it is that Christianity is proposing, and the exact depth of what the means for you, not as an individual, but as a human being.
>>69912863
>I literally support having a mouth piece of the government as the leader
>>69910476
haha this is the most stupid i have seen today jesus came to save souls not lives
>>69912924
>in getting us to act in a human and good manner
That is just an act of fear of being abandoned by society.
>>69913022
>muh secularism
Fuck off you post modern faggot go listen to your Argentine papa read some Muhammad in the Vatican
>>69912924
>>69913401
So it's my fault the Pope is a faggot? Blow me.
>>69912813
why is a whale created ?
>>69913517
You tell us. You are the one supporting creation myth.
>>69912924
>And you're rejecting the existence of a being that is very interested in the way we act and how we conduct ourselves, and is very interested in getting us to act in a human and good manner
By undermining the importance of our family and nation in favour of humanity as a whole.
This is the problem with nearly all systems of ethics, they act like we are supposed to treat everyone the same. Aristotelian virtue ethics are the best ethics because its bout virtue and responsibility, not about cucking our own family and people.
>>69912813
For fuel :^)
>>69912872
Absolutely triggering
>>69913401
>catholicuck is assblasted
>>69913445
No it's your fault for being a schismatic heretic
>>69913863
You split from Rome, not the other way around.
>>69905316
I'm a national communist and a christian you fucking kike.
>>69913637
this is just stupid god created a bunch of animals to fill the planet with life.
why why why this is how you sound
>>69912924
>favoring instead the idea that our reason is simply animal instinct
Because that's the truth.
>You're rejecting the existence of your eternal soul
Yes, the idea of an "eternal soul" is stupid. It's a fun device for stories but it's not a real thing.
>>69913978
Kek is that how they teach it now? Get a clue. Rome excommunicated Constantinople and abandoned the rest of the patriarchates. My Church is in communion with them, yours isn't.
>>69913984
>communist
>christian
One of the things is not like the other.
>>69913087
Literally showing humans electricity, microbials, and basic sanitation would have cemented his status as the son of God and humans today would know with certainty that Christ is our savior.
Instead we have some ancient and poorly constructed shit bible and that's it. Nothing else to base our faith on but a shitty fucking book.
Now we have Islam and all these other shit religions. All because God did t want to tell nobody about fucking electricity and opted to perform some parlor tricks instead.
>>69914232
>Rome excommunicated Constantinople and abandoned the rest of the patriarchates
Maybe you shouldn't acted like Muslims then desu.
>>69905466
This, kind sir.
>>69905316
Christianity is a jewish death cult for selfhating cucks. Go and turn the other cheek faggot.
>>69914440
This
And don't forget to prep the bull while you're at it ;)
>>69914242
You forgot national. Faggot. And no where in the communist ideology does it say you can't believe in god.
>>69912238
Well consider the nature of these things that I have listed. What exactly are they?
To this question I would say this. Our ability to judge right from wrong, or our ability to discern what we "ought" and "ought not" to do, is a a sign that there is an inherent good. That is to say, that there is a right way of conducting ourselves, independent of what we feel. For example, you may see a drowning man. You could either put yourself at risk and help the man, or you could stay safe and simply let the man drown. Both would be equally moral options if objective good does not exist as previously mentioned. However, we as humans are able to judge that saving the man is the right thing to do. That while self preservation isn't without merit, simply watching a man drown with cold indifference would be a ghastly thing to do. You will find that humans have a very inherent sense of what is right and wrong, and that this sense of right and wrong can no simply be something that was always with us in the same way that certain instincts were always with us. The very existence of right and wrong, points to a something or a someone who has a very strong opinion on how we should conduct ourselves, and has instilled these values into us and is very keen on making sure we follows the values given to us.
Secondly, our capacity for cruelty is a clear sign of god, because it proves the existence of both good and evil. Our capacity for cruelty is not simply us acting in a way that offends God. It is us acting selfishly, desiring our own personal pursuit of what we consider to be "good".
cont.
>>69914100
Secondly, is it possible that an animal having, for instance, the structure and habits of a bat, could have been formed by the modification of some animal with wholly different habits? Can we believe that natural selection could produce, on the one hand, organs of trifling importance, such as the tail of a giraffe, which serves as a fly-flapper, and, on the other hand, organs of such wonderful structure, as the eye, of which we hardly as yet fully understand the inimitable perfection?
tell me this if a animal has instincts why does it not evolve with them, we are supose to have a lizzard brain , does my cat think its a former animal and a cat at the same time? no its a cat
>>69914681
cont.
You will find that no one acts badly for the sake of being bad. There are two instances in which people act cruelly. The first being that they are sadists, that they derive some sexual pleasure from being cruel. The second, that someone acts bad in pursuit of something good, whether that be in pursuit of safety, power or money, a person will be cruel because they are seeking something that is good for themselves. It is for this reason that we conclude not just the existence of good, but the existence of evil as defined by Christianity. Christianity does not simply say that "evil" is a part of the universe and that we should just deal with it. Christanity states that evil is a great disorder in the universe, evil is something that goes against the creation of God. This is why evil is not some primordial force in the universe, but it is something being caused by an external entity that has latched itself onto creation like a parasite, that something being someone who was previously in harmony with creation and has rebelled against it. I think you can deduce whom it is that I am speaking of.
>>69905316
Communism is a jewish invention, I am no jew, socialism on the other hand is perfect economic model in a white homogemous society.
Anyone who follows religion especially semitic religion is a dumb fuck
>>69914304
the bible is worth a million times vs your materialism if god is real.
>>69914595
You're a commie, that's it.
>>69914943
Good thing God isn't real
>>69913659
>By undermining the importance of our family and nation in favour of humanity as a whole.
How very National Socialist of you. But I would pose you the question of weather or not your Fatherland is part of humanity as a whole?
Regardless however, you will find that none of this is asking you to favor anyone as a while, Just as this code of ethics is not asking your to forsake your family for others, and it is not asking you to forsake others for your family. It is simply asking you to behave in a way that is good.
>>69915030
National commie. You fucking kike. Get your definition right or commit suicide. I learnt this shit in 8th grade.
>>69915039
you should know being mister smart and all
>>69915414
National or not, that's still communism.
But what if I'm agnostic ? I don't really have faith that there is some higher power, but I see arguments for both sides. What if I'm a good person that doesn't attend church or pray? Am I still so bad then?
How can anyone claim Catholicism's redpilled when this guy's the Pope?
>>69915819
How can you claim that America is redpilled when we still have Obama?
>>69915688
when i read my bible it says everyrone gets judged according he was good or bad.
being a saved christfag you skip that
>>69915688
Matthew 7:21-23King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
>>69905316
>if you're an atheist you're no better than a communist
>if you're a pagan you're a savage warmongering heathen
Fucking divisive kike, get the fuck out.
>>69907202
Hands down the most retarded and worst post I've ever seen on this board. Do the world a favour and kill yourself.
>>69916426
>>69916037
But if he is so kind and benevolent why them am I subject to damnation or purgatory (if the inferno is to be believed) because I lack faith? If god is so powerful and mighty, why is he so concerned in my blind faith towards him? Even if I'm better than a devout worshipper I would still be punished as though I was a great sinner? That doesn't sound like a kind and benevolent god, nor one I want to devote my life to.
Not even trying to be "le edgy atheist" I just want an actual discussion
>>69917643
You're trying to bring logic into an emotional argument.
The bottom line is that you're right but Christ cucks will just plug their ears and scream lalallaa
>>69917643
It's strange, if Christianity is the only way to salvation, why did God not tell all of Humanity equally? Why did he leave it down to corruptible and confusable Humans to spread the word? Why did he let others create their own religions at all?
When you look at it, there are so many logical fallacies. A perfect being does not make mistakes.
>>69918521
Well for me, whenever I discuss the Christian god, I always ask the theologian to concede that God is not omnipotent. Humanity cannot even fathom what omnipotence is. The complexity of everything in the universe occurring simultaneously is less than simple to an omnipotent being. I'll let you argue that he might be omniscient, but we couldn't even begin to remotely understand the process of something that's omnipotent.
If we concede that god has limits, the conversation can actually continue without me having to say
>Can he make a rock he can't lift?
Or
>Why not allow humanity free will and paradise? Do angels lack free will?
>>69905316
Will you forgive me?
>>69919411
>>Can he make a rock he can't lift?
Why do you think omnipotence means illogical?
>>Why not allow humanity free will and paradise?
There are articles and books on this. Dozens of them. Hundreds, maybe.
>Do angels lack free will?
No, but no inclination.
They have no free will in Islam, but not Christianity.
>>69905316
Where do I sign up for an anti-terrorist crusade?
Been a long time since 1095.
This time, we sackin' them for good. 1099 and 1191, never forget. 1187 and 1291, never forgive.
>>69919411
The only limit He would have is that He would act in accordance to His nature. Meaning, God cannot lie, God cannot break a promise.
Because he is truly omnipotent, he can do things that aren't possible, like make a square circle, or a right triangle without a 90.
>>69919804
"So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least, incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit."
— George Carlin
>>69908971
DEUS VULT
>>69919804
Omnipotence literally means all powerful. To claim omnipotence means that nothing is beyond your ability. By extension nothing should even be remotely difficult because you could just make it easier for yourself.
As far as no inclination, I could argue that Lucifer was inclined when he led his rebellion. As were his followers. Was Lucifer somehow imperfect? He was Seraphim after all, and barring the Trinity none are more exalted in heaven than Seraphim.
>>69905316
You're a Jew Larper
>>69920202
>George Carlin
nah man
If you get your philosophy from a comedian, don't be surprised if it's a joke.
>>69920531
Omnipotence means can do everything, yes. It doesn't mean what's impossible.
Being unable to make 2+2=5 does not affect omnipotence, and limiting one's own omnipotence would not affect one's omnipotence as it would require a fundamental change in the nature of God.
>>69905316
>Roman catholicism
Papist, please. You corrupted Jesus vision.
>baby baptism
>purgatory
HEATHEN SCUM!
>>69905316
You're an american faggot speaking about something he does not understand, I bet you don't even know who was the last king of jerusalem or who was the last grand master of templar.
Why not just be right-wing atheist who believes in traditional values and wants humanity more civilized?
>>69921300
But by definition , "I can do anything." Means nothing is impossible. An omnipotent being could make himself not omnipotent, or change gender, or make himself sentient cheese. That's the issue win omnipotent, there is no limit to being all powerful. I'll concede that god is undeniably powerful, with no equal in all the universe (except Satan I guess, although I'm sure there is scripture saying why satan is allowed go persist?) If you can concede that he isn't omnipotent.
The conversation can't continue unless we either concede this point, or convince the other of it points.
>>69922261
For He is called omnipotent on account of His doing what He wills, not on account of His suffering what He wills not; for if that should befall Him, He would by no means be omnipotent. Wherefore, He cannot do some things for the very reason that He is omnipotent.
>>69910686
>>69905466
>implying Christians are not the ultimate cucks
>implying atheists are not the best kebab remover
>>69922788
>He cannot do some things
Then he is not omnipotent
>Wherefore, He cannot do some things for the very reason that He is omnipotent.
He cannot do something because of the fact that he can do anything? That doesn't make sense.
>>69922261
"I can do anything" =/= "I can do what is logically impossible"
That's an atheistic, autistic understanding of omnipotence. A common one, too.
>>69905316
reminder if you are religious, you are delusional and part of the problem holding back humanity.
>>69923439
>God is all knowing
>But He gave humans free will
.
Go back to elementary theological paradoxes. All of this shit has been answered for millennia
>>69923526
an·y·thing
ˈenēˌTHiNG/
pronoun
used to refer to a thing, no matter what.
Logically impossible doesn't work for something that is omnipotent. By nature his being omnipotent transcends any thought a non-omnipotent being could have. Omnipotence has no limits and no constraints, because god has limits he is not omnipotent.
>>69905316
That's a funny way to spell Greek Orthodox
>>69905316
The west will fall because Catholics encourage division in Christianity while doing nothing about their cuck pope. Screenshot this because it is the future you chose.
Please /pol/. don't.
>>69924240
What is logically impossible is not a thing though.
>>69924479
Nice bait, get out of here you anti-western protestshit.
>>69924504
>some Moor fuck
>>69924746
just stop roleplaying and get out of /pol/ faggot.
acting all religious and shit than probably sining as soon as this thread 404 or get archived.
But if god can do anything, does that mean he's able to create a boulder, so heavy that he himself wouldn't even be able to lift it?
>>69923002
Most russians are orthodox christian and only around 15% are atheist.
I´m generally wondering why /pol/ is not in favor of orthodox christianity because one of their core believes is: Our savior wont bring us peace but a sword.
>>69924708
log·ic
ˈläjik/
noun
noun:logic
1.
reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
What you deem as "logically possible" is based on human defined principles of validity. If god is omnipotent these principles do not apply, he could even change the principles to work for him. Calling something omnipotent is illogical, because omnipotent means no limit. You've already said he has limits, there is scripture explaining that god cannot do some things. Thus he is not, by definition, omnipotent.
>>69925097
>living without sin
>not something only Jesus managed perfectly
k
>>69924746
Antiochan Orthodox actually, sure you already have a meme ready for that.
And please do address why I should join a congregation that embraces the infallibility of a literal cuck?
Pick semi related, substitute the middle guy with Pope Francis.
>>69925168
I am Orthodox and 100% for Orthodoxy.
A very limited number of Protestant sects are also acceptable.
>>69925194
Omnipotence = can do anything (that is logically possible).
As I said, you're going by a definition that you've decided. Thomas Aquinas even goes through this.
If God exists, these principles still apply as he set them up.
>>69905316
>give me money and I'll forgive your sins for a few days/months/years
I'll keep my money and you can keep your fantasy
Shut up faggot! The pope is a cuckold... He tried to stump God Emperor Trump
>>69925097
Again, moor fuck get out. Sorry you're triggered over people having faith you fag.
>>69925290
>infallibility of a literal cuck?
I don't gotta defend shit, he's a faggot Pope and anything he does doesn't mean shit.
Orthodox my ass, are you a slav?
>>69925404
Personally catholic but I openly admit our cuckness. Welp polish catholics are pretty redpilled tho but oh hey they don´t like the current pope either so it works right?
>>69925634
Protestant convert actually. American not slav, Scottish descent.
So you're only tactic is convert or name calling?
>>69926049
>converting
So you're a reactionary. Or you're doing it for a girl.
>>69925453
Why would those principles apply to Him as well?
Assuming He is their originator, why would He bind Himself to them?
>>69925634
Your religion is cucked,get over it.
>>69926049
he ain't even religious,he's a roleplaying faggot.
>>69921739
Forced as fuck, even more than this thread
>>69925453
om·nip·o·tent
ˌämˈnipəd(ə)nt/
adjective
1.
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
The only one going on personally decided definitions is you. Omnipotence is limitless, that's the definition of the word. There is no qualifier, it just means able to do anything. You can define things as illogical all you like and you'd be correct, because you have limits. God might be the most powerful thing in all existence, but he is not omnipotent.
>>69926160
Stop shitposting.
>>69925926
If all Catholics were like Poles this current situation wouldn't be nearly as bad.
I've been to Catholic services and have great respect for the church, but not working together with other Christians and putting all your eggs in the Francis basket will be the downfall of us all. At the very least defend yourselves without waiting for the popes permission.
>>69926160
We're replacing it with your country's religion don't worry
>>69926216
Yeah, the fedora thing doesn´t quite work here
>>69926150
The same reason as free will, I guess.
>>69926230
You're just ignoring it and going by your own definition.
Read:
All confess that God is omnipotent; but it seems difficult to explain in what His omnipotence precisely consists: for there may be doubt as to the precise meaning of the word 'all' when we say that God can do all things. If, however, we consider the matter aright, since power is said in reference to possible things, this phrase, 'God can do all things,' is rightly understood to mean that God can do all things that are possible; and for this reason He is said to be omnipotent."[4] In the scholastic understanding, omnipotence is generally understood to be compatible with certain limitations or restrictions. A proposition that is necessarily true is one whose negation is self-contradictory.
"It is sometimes objected that this aspect of omnipotence involves the contradiction that God cannot do all that He can do; but the argument is sophistical; it is no contradiction to assert that God can realize whatever is possible, but that no number of actualized possibilities exhausts His power. Omnipotence is perfect power, free from all mere potentiality. Hence, although God does not bring into external being all that He is able to accomplish, His power must not be understood as passing through successive stages before its effect is accomplished. The activity of God is simple and eternal, without evolution or change. The transition from possibility to actuality or from act to potentiality, occurs only in creatures. When it is said that God can or could do a thing, the terms are not to be understood in the sense in which they are applied to created causes, but as conveying the idea of a Being possessed of infinite unchangeable power, the range of Whose activity is limited only by His sovereign Will".
tl;dr you're making a strawman based on your understanding of omnipotence and anything and it is not in keeping with religious thought
>>69926333
Francis isn't as bad as the media makes him look. He practically called for a new crusade against ISIS, in modern political vocabulary.
>>69926096
I was a baptized Protestant but borderline atheist fedora, then I went to an Orthodox Church during basic training and the chaplain made Christianity make sense to me in a way that no Catholic or Protestant ever did. Been Orthodox ever since, and I attended an Antiochan congregation because they are the closest to my house.
>>69926230
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox
You two are arguing on numbers one and two.
Descartes said that god is absolutely omnipotent; that He could do anything, even logically inconsistent actions, like making a square circle.
>>69926705
So you fought for Israel. Good on you, where were you stationed at.
>>69926333
The pope is a cuck, get out if you want to discuss it. No sry, won´t side with most protestants. Quite a number have mentioned a reasonable reason why they left but most are left wingers that want "kinda" to belong to the christian church
Google german protestant Käßmann (germany´s most famous protestant) or swedish protestants - fuckin unbelievable. Fuckin russians making all kind of jokes here in Lübeck about our religion leaders without some spine
>>69926673
>modern political vocabulary
He is not a politician and he shouldn´t act as one, people emotionally and spiritually rely on him. Political correctness doesn´t fit his job
>>69926300
kill yourself.
>>69926437
made me feel sad. godspeed britbong.
>>69926673
I have no doubt that Francis is a pious man and has nothing but the best intentions, and I have been disappointed in other Christian leaders in not calling for more action, not just upset with the Pope.
However he has to be blind not to see that this is no time to be playing politics when Europe is on the brink of either destruction or revival. He is (whether others want to accept him or not) one of the most influential leaders in Christendom. His defiance of the status quo would empower others.
If Francis won't step up to this role than someone else should, perhaps the leaders of the Anglican, Southern Baptist, or Pentecostal churches.
>>69927303
Back at ya.
>>69926789
Fort Knox when I converted in basic, then Georgia and Okinawa.
>>69927527
>Okinawa
Is it nice?
>>69907595
Hahaha this comment made my day, thanks Brazil.
>>69927558
If you like scuba diving and booze. Not really any girls though, besides hookers
>>69905355
>thread about catholics and atheism, muslim somehow feels the need to join. this is why no one likes you.
>>69905316
reminder that christianity preaches servility above all else and is the foundation on which liberalism is built, if europe and america had the mentality of radical islamists we would have exterminated every other race, culture, religion and political ideology 1000 years ago
>>69927558
I enjoyed it, people are friendly and girls are cute. Typhoons are a bitch though in tge summer because TCOR.
>>69927078
I'll look into them, surprised you have libcuck Protestants though. Most of ours are conservative.
>>69929270
english/american protestants =/= european protestants
Do your christian meta ideology homeworks, Jack
>>69926610
The definition I'm using is copy pasted from the dictionary, it is not my own, it is the actual meaning of the word. You are trying to use the word to its implied religious meaning, which is fine given the context, but incorrect ultimately. Essentially your religious definition of omnipotence is the equivalence of a slang, using a word to mean something other than its actual definition.
I'm not attacking a point you haven't raised, considering this was my original point all along.
New fags and athiests get out.
>>69905316
>>69931560
Fuck off.
>>69931560
>>69932927
nah, here to stay lads.
>>69905316
>if you're a pagan you're a savage warmongering heathen who are supposed to be warriors but play the victim game against Christians
>Roman catholicism
>>69932961
>>69933660
Lol, there are less and less religious nutters on /pol/ every day.
>>69933719
Atheism? Wut?
>>69934044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hakb6S0IpgY&list=LLoZnoevo_JgL4O7TKpbx4pA&index=34 and more and more where it actually matters.
You know the only place I've seen in my country town supportive of refugees is the Church right. It's got some big banner refuges welcome despite the town being almost completely white except for some Abos and like two chink families
The church is a cuckery of child rape, left wing cock suckers, marble tombs and gold cups for the bishops
>>69933660
>>69935249
My brother.
>>69908277
leave it up to christians to pretend to be persecuted.
>>69935846
Yeah its not like they are being murdered in droves by isis. Its not like theirs a constant effort to degrade and divide christianity in mainstream culture and politics.
>>69935791
I think you would make a great couple.
The crusades were a failure and so are you.
>>69935976
>Yeah its not like they are being murdered in droves by isis.
Cucks had it coming. I bet these Christians supported feminism ("Women should be allowed to vote", "Women should have education", "Women and men are equal")
>>69934858
Here they burn Qurans and thank god for dead soldiers because our government supports gay marriage. Everyplace is different.
>>69936244
>>69936084
Whoa whoa whoa russia, calm down
>>69936084
Lol you live in a country where the orthodox church is immensly powerful and holds massive political influence. Your disgrace to your nation.
>>69936244
In the bible, women arent even alloud to speak in church without the permission of her husband. Try again mate.
>>69936599
>In the bible
I was talking about Christians, not the Bible. Two different things.
>>69936397
>Lol you live in a country where the orthodox church is immensly powerful
Hahaha.
Fuck off, Christfag.
>Your disgrace
>>69936787
If you dont follow the bible then your not a christian.
>>69936897
yeah you cant actually think of a counter argument so you call people fags and call out typos. Have fun being an athiest in a christ dominated country.
>>69905316
I'm an Atheist, but I like Christianity a whole lot more than Islam. I'd crusade with you guys if I was allowed to.
>>69905316
Anglican checking in. I'm all for ceremony but it's time to come into the real world friendo.
