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>WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday unanimously ruled that states may count all residents, whether or not they are eligible to vote, in drawing election districts. The decision was a major statement on the meaning of a fundamental principle of the American political system, that of “one person one vote.”
>As a practical matter, the ruling mostly helped Democrats.
>Until this decision, the court had never resolved whether voting districts should contain the same number of people, or the same number of eligible voters. Counting all people amplifies the voting power of places that have large numbers of residents who cannot vote legally — including immigrants who are here legally but are not citizens, illegal immigrants, children and prisoners. Those places tend to be urban and to vote Democratic.
>Had the justices required that only eligible voters could be counted, the ruling would have shifted political power from cities to rural areas, a move that would have benefited Republicans.
>The court did not decide whether other ways of counting were permissible. “We need not and do not resolve,” Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote for six justices, whether “states may draw districts to equalize voter-eligible population rather than total population.”
>>69898395
Not super-consequential. Repubs do the gerrymandering thing very well, and it is still legal and they'll keep doing it.
>>69898395
>mfw illegals when taken into consideration when electoral numbers are given to states
>mfw Cali is groumd zero for illegals
>>69898735
When illegals*
>>69898395
>Rejects change
>Which means things stay the same
>This helps Democrats
Pretty sure that when things stay the same it doesn't benefit anybody.
>>69898492
gerry mandering goes both ways
This decision only benefits dems
>>69898735
This will help repubs. What states have highest nigger population? Entire southeast, which are ALL staunch repub states. When we start counting all the little niglets, it will be an overall benefit. Texas and AZ would offset if not surpass any gains made by Cali or NM.
>>69898395
just
>>69898885
Exactly, now they can gerrymander for illegals
>>69898395
The Supreme Court is so full of shit
They are just making things up as they go along
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._Sims
>>69898885
well it doesn't actually change anything. So don't expect much to change. It was a vote to shoot down a bill wanting to change the law.
>>69898950
Mexicans still haven't forgiven the Republicans for prop 12 in California, the only reason Arnold got in power is a massive conspiracy between Republicans and the power industry to fuck California over to get at Gray Davis.
And considering the heading presidential candidate's platform is 'Mexicans are stealing your job and raping the American people' to a lot of mexicans, this is wrill drive mexican support even further to the democrats who don't even need to pander to them now. They just have to go 'we'll treat you better than a sub-human' to win their vote now after what Republicans have been doing.
>>69898492
This has nothing to gerrymandering
This is just liberal justices ignoring their own precedent when it doesn't benefit them
At least the conservatives are consistent
>>69899323
Why would Mexicans care about prop 12
Also they never voted Republican
Reagan gave them amnesty and still lost the Hispanic vote
>>69898950
>When we start counting all the little niglets
You don't understand the ruling. Nothing is changing. We aren't going to "start" counting anyone. We already use total population to draw districts.
Supreme Court isn't even a legal entity
They exist only to help push the progressive agenda and always have
>>69899059
>Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533 (1964) was a United States Supreme Court case that ruled that state legislature districts had to be roughly equal in population
You also don't understand the ruling.
Reynolds v. Sims was about districts being determined by total population. This case is also about districts being determined by total population. The two rulings are very consistent.
>>69899790
Actually, I need to correct myself:
Reynolds determined that districts need to have the same population. This case clarified that using TOTAL population, as opposed to VOTING population, is fine.
>>69899790
>Chief Justice Earl Warren said "Legislators represent people, not trees or acres. Legislators are elected by voters, not farms or cities or economic interests
>are elected by voters
>voters
The votes of people in districts with a high % of illegals will have more weight than one without
>>69898950
how does NM factor into this. the entire state pop is tiny
The system is beyond broken. All of it.
>>69900065
>Legislators represent people
This is exactly what the current ruling says. Consistent.
>Legislators are elected by voters
The current case is not ruling on who ELECTS legislators. They are ruling on who are REPRESENTED by legislators. To that end, both rulings are consistent with each other. Elected officials represent people.
tl;dr there is a difference between the people who ELECT officials (voters) and the people who are REPRESENTED by officials (everyone). This ruling rejected the claim that districts should be based on voters instead of people, and it does so on the basis that those officials represent all the people. There is nothing in Reynolds which contradicts that.
>>69898395
>Ruth Bader Ginsburg
>Ginsburg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Bader_Ginsburg
>Religion - Judaism
>americans STILL haven't given electoral district drawing and election running over to an independent body and STILL use first-past-the-post voting
Fucking why? Can anyone explain this to me?
>>69900443
BECAUSE OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM IS CORRUPT.
>>69898395
>>Had the justices required that only eligible voters could be counted, the ruling would have shifted political power from cities to rural areas, a move that would have benefited Republicans.
Strikes me as one-sided spin. Many Republican districts benefit from this as well, as prisons are often in our districts, prisoners are another population counted in districting but not allowed to vote.
In effect, the other citizens in the district get to divvy up those votes and cast them too. I've always thought it was a bit of an odd quirk in our system. But it's been around forever and any implication only one side exploits it is naïve and ignorant.
>>69900622
So's ours but we still haven't fucked up that hard.
>>69900378
>This ruling rejected the claim that districts should be based on voters instead of people,
No read his opinion
He said voters not people
The basis was behind the ruling was equal protection
Some districts had more voters than others and that went against the principle of "one person, one vote
>>69898395
Why is the Supreme Court making rulings with a vacant justice? Also it seems pretty fucking fishy that their handing down all these verdicts just a couple months after Scalia was murdered, I mean died of natural causes.
God please destroy Washington, D.C. And all the scum who inhabit that pit of evil and corruption.
>>69900709
Of course it is. But your corruption is NOTHING compared to ours. It's because of all of the money floating around in this country.
Daily reminder that she used CURRENT YEAR as an argument as to why our constitution was shit
>"I would not look to the U.S. Constitution, if I were drafting a Constitution in the year 2012. I might look at the Constitution of South Africa," says Ginsburg, whom President Clinton nominated to the court in 1993. "That was a deliberate attempt to have a fundamental instrument of government that embraced basic human rights, had an independent judiciary. … It really is, I think, a great piece of work that was done. Much more recent than the U.S. Constitution."
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/ginsburg-likes-s-africa-as-model-for-egypt/
>>69899397
>unanimous verdict
>>69899323
Fuck al Mexicans. They should go back to Mexico.
Fuck I hate hose greasey little shit skin fucks so much.
>>69900787
Read the quote you gave, idiot. Earl Warren said clearly "Legislators represent PEOPLE." He did not say "Legislators represent VOTERS."
Immediately after saying "legislators represent PEOPLE," he also said "Legislators are elected by VOTERS."
Put your brain to work and figure it out. This was done intentionally to clarify the differences. Legislators represent people - everyone in the district - and are elected by voters.
That is exactly what this ruling we have today says.
>>69898950
All the blacks are citizens you dumdum, its the illegal Mexicans you should worry about. Which are mostly in California and the parts of Texas where they vote Democrat, right at the border. This will 100% benefit the libruls.
>>69900930
>But your corruption is NOTHING compared to ours
The have no gunz and are forced to vote
As shit as we are the rest of the world is 10x worse
>>69898395
>>69901016
We are better, but only because of guns and free speech, both of which are under heavy attack by the left.
At any rate, no place with the amount of shit skins we have will ever be made great. It will never happen. America will delve into third world hell hole status in less time than we've been a nation.
The only way to fix it is to stop all third world immigration, massive deportation of all illegals and anchor babies, and a huge influx of European immigration.
That is the only hope America has to stay great.
>>69900939
Yes and?
>>69901003
And it was an equal protection violation if some voters votes counted for less
>>69901016
That's because you're currently a police state, our government is so slow and arcane to even the corrupt fuck people in that they haven't been able to do as much damage yet. That's why there is such a push for illegals here so one party can take over completely.
Why do you think the left keeps trying to take our guns and free speech also? Because they want to turn us into you.
>>69901290
No voters are counting for less.
>>69901356
yes they are
If one citizen lives in a district full of illegals he will control 100% of the vote
>>69901541
What a stupid fucking thing to say. There is no district in the country that even remotely resembles this boogieman district you have in your head. Literally nothing is changing because of this ruling. The ones who filed the lawsuit wanted the system to change so that only voters would count when districts get organized, so THEY are the ones who wanted to change things. As it stands now, absolutely nothing changes.
>>69901790
but there are districts that have more illegals
voters in those districts votes will count more
>THEY are the ones who wanted to change things
I actually agree with the ruling but I also think Reynolds v. Sims was shit
>>69901790
Anon, if a change would benefit republicans it is perfectly reasonable to say that a ruling that prevents that change benefits democrats.
>>69901790
There are no districts with a single voter and a bunch of illegals, no, but it's theoretically possible under the rules.
What you do have now is both areas with significant illegal population and areas with prisons. In both cases those populations count as population (and thus for purposes of determining districts) but they don't get to vote. In effect, the voters living there get a multiplier on certain issues, though it's muddled further by the winner-take all aspect as well.
The power of the modifier in any given district can be calculated by dividing the Voting Age Population (VAP) by the Voting Eligible Population (VEP) and you can go look it up district by district. For instance for the most recent caucuses in Iowa the math is 2403229/2286197 = 1.05119068917 while for Nevada 2248402/1936072 = 1.16132147978. So in a real sense, a Nevadans vote is worth nearly 10% more than an Iowans, as a result of a larger portion of Nevadas population not getting to vote.
It's kind of perverse when you think about it.
It helps dems, no doubt. It is also consistent with the idea of a representative democracy and this is the correct ruling even if it weakens the Republican Party.
>>69905124
Legislators do not represent illegal aliens, nor should they. Only someone who wants to undermine the voice of actual citizens would think this is okay.
