What is /pol/'s stance on labor unions?
I don't have a stance. What are the basics that I should know about them?
>>69894805
It's a shame they're not more prevalent. Unions are the backbone of America
>>69894805
The burdens have outweighed the benefits in most modern nations.
Don't take my money in Union dues then give it to politicians i don't like. Then don't tell me who to vote for.
>>69894890
>coming from the Swede
>>69894805
Shit and degeneracy vehicles. A tool of leftist politics. In a healthy society where people work together for the betterment of a nation there is no need for the sort of division labour unions forment.
Should be illegal.
They serve only to fill the coffers of the democrat party and extort businesses out of unrealistic salaries for highschool dropouts.
I would prefer my wage be dictated by my own ability, not whatever some closed-door meeting decides for everyone.
Labour cartels that drive down wages in competing firms and raise barriers to entry in theirs.
>>69894805
All well and good except in the public sector where they're exclusively Soros infiltration units.
>>69895050
an american would have already formed an opinion without knowing shit :^)
they're great, the leaders tend to be corrupt just like any large organization but unions are fantastic
all /pol/ needs to know is that globalists hate labour unions
>>69894805
They suffer from the same problem modern feminism does.
Most of the important issues they had were won by them decades ago so now they're mostly fighting for ridiculous shit.
>>69895251
>important issues
>feminism
does not compute
>>69894805
None of that shit is true
>>69895239
t. college dropout whose grandfather got him a job in an oil refinery.
>>69894805
I have been with 2 labor unions. IAM when I built airplanes and UFCW when I worked at a dairy plant... They are only good for negotiating wages... Thats it. They fucking suck and are in bed with the dems and the company for everything else. I now work at an oil refinery that has no union and have the best medical plan, 401k plan and pay that I've ever had in my life.
>>69894805
SJWs of the professional world
Living in London some of the reasons given for some tube strikes is beyond ludicrous, and mates of mine that are in unions for their job have told me nothing but horror stories
>>69895339
No, they did have some genuine points during the first two waves, it's modern feminism that makes zero sense.
>>69894805
>stance on labor unions
for the Prviate Sector = GOOD
for the Public Sector = BAD
>>69895117
Hi RZs+txML glad you could make it to discuss your contract.
Listen, we're gonna cut you're pay
Yeah i know you're a good worker but listen I could fill your job in a day. You do want a job don't you?
>>69895429
>Contract
xD
>>69894805
Unions didn't cause 40 hour work week
>>69895429
I'd contact the fair work ombudsman.
Too fucking political.
>>69895429
Maybe people shouldn't be working in over careers where they could be replaced in a day? If you seriously have so little skills anyone could take your job at any time, it's probably time to become less of a shit person.
I don't have a problem with unions but nobody should be forced to join one simply because of their profession. Union members should also be allowed to opt out.
Also, fuck public sector unions.
>>69894805
Utter shit
You wanna know why the us auto industry crashed
If you were a picker at ford (pick parts didn't even need a ged) youd earn 20/hr. If you worked more than 40 hours a week you got 1.5 your pay in ot. This would double if you did weekend or nights
>>69895062
>turkey
That's a pheasant.
>>69895429
If you could be replaced by Jose or Ahmed for half the wage in a day, chances are you really aren't worth your paycheck. :^)
There is power in a Union
>>69895000
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>>69895117
Yep, all of this is why unions are garbage. And I even WORK at a job which has a union which I am in! They are pointless and hampers a company's ability to maximize profit.
Actually that was Napoléon III here, from 1880 until WW2 unionists were shot on sight and in America unions were controlled by the mafia, and tho this days the most famous union for this is the teamsters
>>69894805
None of these things are good things.
>>69894805
Labor Unions are retarded shits that needs to be removed and thrown out into the streets
I know unions killed the auto industry.
UAW didn't do shit for me.
But thanks for taking my money, fuckers.
Unions are a good idea in theory, but the whole system needs to be reformed.
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>>69895909
I know, I just wanted to pick an image and it catches the most attention.
>>69895965
Designated throwing streets, or throw them into the designated shitting streets?
>>69895410
Feminists never had any good points. There's no difference between "waves", they're all shit.
>>69896086
they killed industry industry in the west in general, Deng Xiaoping was trained in unions in France and did the exact opposite when he took power in china
>>69894805
Dead so why vote Democrat anymore?
Most unions are like a mafia now
>>69894805
In the UK they are all affiliated with the labour party (funny that) but it has become toxic. They are essentially politicised to start screaming whenever the tories try to act. I'd suspect this is true of most unions today. Instead of simply workers rights they ascribe to all the trendy lefty causes. Which today is open borders, anti-austerity and generally cultural marxism.
>child labor laws
Thanks for making children into complete worthless parasitic organisms, leftards!
No really, there's nothing better than 18+ years of mooching.
>>69894805
Idk how they used to be but now they're obsolete, not good for anything besides collecting dues and lying to its members.
>>69895714
meanwhile Volkswagen has a 35h/week and the workers get paid like a kings and does just fine
>>69896554
Depends on the union. The less political
I have to be part of the BMA to practice medicine. BMA used to be very centrist and apolitical but with the contracts coming in the BMA have let every leftist spaz hijack the movement and it's discrediting the BMA as a result.
Funny because doctors in general notoriously vote conservative and that won't change.
They were a good idea back before companies had easy access to foreign labor. But then they ruined everythin g for everybody
>>69894805
The institution that is responsible for creating the middle class that has been corrupted by Jews in modern times
>>69895239
This. Without unions the corporations would exploit people even further.
Maximization of profits is what got us all into this mess in the first place.
>>69894805
They used to be a necessary evil. Now they're just evil
>>69896086
>>69895714
>people still believe this
the US auto industry died because the automakers designed and built shitty cars that no one wanted to pay for. scapegoating middle-class blue collar workers is par for the course when the elite fail.
carry on.
>>69896960
>corporations
>exploit
>people
>>69894805
I dislike formalized unions. Unions in the sense that "our boss is a jackass lets organize against them" are great as they allow workers to utilize their power against their employer to make demands en mass. However organized unions are dangerous both to the corporation and the worker.
I'm a member of this union. The German branch, FAU, anyway.
>>69896617
>hating your kids
It's your own fault.
>>69896960
Found the bern victim
>>69897047
WRONG
the UAW and Democrats basically destroyed the industry in Detroit and it only took them 5 years.
>>69896778
Yes but you have unions in your constitution and 70% of you have a college degree. Also hows that lawsuit
>>69897401
>>69897401
>and 70% of you have a college degree.
you dont need a college degree to work at the assembly line at VW. just a finished apprenticeship as Mechatronic
>>69897051
Exploiting (making use of for one's own gain) labour is the entire point of private industry.
>>69897191
Aren't they some hyper SJW fucktards now?
>>69897540
>flag
>>69896781
>I have to be part of the BMA to practice medicine.
Is this true? So when they said that during the first strike '99% voted in favour of action' this is actually 99% of the NHS total staff? This does not seem right to me.
And yes, the BMA were pretty much exactly who I had in mind above. Well them and the NUT.
no union
>12 hour workday, every day
>$3.00/hour
>no benefits
union
>8 hour workday, 5 days a week
>$10+/hour
>great benefits
please tell me why unions are bad
>>69897596
Do you think private industry is charity?
>>69897279
Yeah it was totally the Democrats.
Blacks had nothing to do with it
There are plenty of wealthy liberal areas with very little crime, unemployment or economic problems. The difference is not ideology, it's demographics.
>>69897264
But what if I hate other peoples kids?
>>69897652
Maybe if you're unskilled. If you're a fucking asset companies will beg you especially since most people are fucking idiots with no skills these days.
>>69897746
So industry isn't making use of skilled workers for their own enrichment?
"Exploit" is not actually an emotive word.
>>69897559
not that much, for a left organization we are pretty SJW-free . and we still do basic anarcho-syndicalist things
http://www.fau.org/
>>69894805
They had a good purpose in the past but now they're more interested in their bottom line than the people they represent.
>>69897841
skilled worker is a meme invented by HR to not hire locals
what fucking skill do you need to do a job any bum could take up on a daily basis 60 years ago ?
>>69894805
The only union I have ever worked under was powerless, ineffective, and only gave ground because the ground it did have served no one. A new contract was given every year and what benefits you got shrunk noticeably because all they did was ensure people did the same job for 30 years and get paid ridiculous amounts for it. They're like social security: in short lifespans that cost little to nothing to maintain since life or death situations were more common, they served the working man well, albeit with tactics I would call utilitarian at best. Now they just kill initiative and ingenuity in a world which technology has made infinitely better but unions and other lacerations on productivity still take credit because muh rich.
>>69895642
It's almost as if not everyone has the opportunity to do that
>>69897652
No I was just pointing out the fact that you're a brit and I am not obligated to entertain your opinions.
>>69895205
Your pic-related is not American; he's an Ecuadorian JEW.
>>69897629
Because you don't understand that $3.00 an hour is still more under a free labor/enterprise system than $15.00 an hour is under the Keysian nightmare of inflation and financial see-sawing we live under, you tremendous headline spewing faggot.
>>69898484
Not everyone can improve themselves?
>>69895714
>>69896086
>>69897047
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>>69897675
>/pol/ actually believe their own drivel
the US auto industry was killed by the same thing that killed countless others: Globalization. When foreign cars could be assembled in the states and sold for a competitive price, Demand for vehicles from American manufacturers dropped significantly.
The funny thing about it all was is that they helped open the door to this shit. the Auto manufacturers were the ones who pressed for the importation of foreign steel so that they could pick it up at a more competitive price. They were successful and the American steel industry suffered heavily, only for the Auto industry to suffer the very same fate within the very same decade; Another glorious chapter of Friedman economics. Still, seems like poetic justice that the Auto-manufacturers fell victim to the politics they had spurned others with. Live by the sword, Die by the sword
>>69898633
Correct. Most become blunted when jaded and that is when degeneracy strikes. Not meme degeneracy, but a corruption of the mind that personal initiative is pointless and everything in life is circumstantial.
>>69899130
And this is totally impossible to fix?
>>69894805
I can agree with their opposition to 19th century industrial working conditions, but they're just an impediment to trade now. My great uncle actually got shaken down by a union goon squad in Massachusetts, they only stopped because his brother was in the union and pulled some strings. Modern unions are protection rackets for lazy people.
>>69898853
The Keysian system here is so dated and broken that globalization simply proved it for what it is: non-competitive. In a command economy with so little on the neighborhood level, big things wreck small things like natural disasters here and the level of stability a complete soft-core corporate-facsist model the more literally social-democrat nations have looks and is more stable. Being a libertarian is suffering when people take this as a sign "progressivism" i.e. the inevitable growing and empowering of government in society, is correct when we should be ahead of the curve and take a feng shui attitude to economic growth.
>>69899213
Its the ebb and flow of society. Its what the people who constantly quote The Decline and Fall of Rome are on about: the inevitable decay.
Just feel the Bern man, and wait for the fire to rise.
>>69899560
This is what Bernie supporters actually believe
>>69899787
I meant that as a facetious jab pointing to Bernvictims as the face of disaffection overtaking competency and invested understanding of the world.
For the record I've been non-ironically spamming the Paul's since 2008 and am a reserved Trumpfag at present.
>>69894805
At this point, they're pretty shit. Union workers are frequently lazy and entitled like niggers. If you work in a union shop, you are legally required to join the union and have dues deducted from your paychecks, unless you're in a right-to-work state. Your dues are used to finance leftist agitation.
As an example, unions are generally pro-immigration despite this driving down wages. American unions are all for fucking Shillary.
>>69894805
>literally all done by Henry Ford
>>69899560
>The Keysian system here is so dated and broken that globalization simply proved it for what it is: non-competitive.
You Austrian School too?
>>69900372
Painfully so. To put it quickly: if it wasn't for Atlas Shrugged being half murder dream, half love letter to post-FDR conservativism, I'd love Ayn Rand without reservation
ITT: people who worked for unions know specifically why they're shit while people who didn't are only capable of reiterating boilerplate union propaganda.
Labor union are a good thing but like many other things in this world, they get complacent or corrupt.
Power corrupts
absolute power corrupts absolutely
>>69894805
I think that their originally good intentions were usurped. Lifetime pensions after only twenty years of work in some cases can lead to rapid increases in costs with an overall decrease in productivity. Constant raises that often outstrip the increase in cost of living also strain the pocketbook of private institutions.
But whatever; I can deal with that.
But FUCK public sector unions. They absolutely SHOULD NOT exist; they're fundamentally unionized against the taxpayers. The Post Office is a piece of shit organization that hasn't turned a profit in decades, and it's because they have nothing but pensions, pensions, pensions to pay out while competing organizations do the same job faster, cheaper, and more efficiently. The unions went and fucked up something that was necessary.
>>69894805
Unions pre 1918: necessary
Unions post 1918: trust/monopoly
Before unions: a penny could buy a loaf of bread
After unions: effort is being made to remove the penny from existence
>>69894805
Necessary evil. Will always be necessary and will always be evil to a degree because Human Beings.
>>69894805
Organizations that were once a virtuous necessity that are now little better than a political mafia.
Unions were once important and good for workers.
Now they're little more than political extortion rackets.
Big labor is a cancer on unions
Unions profit off the labor of the worker for "union dues"
>>69894902
Right? I work 7 years without a union. I was lied to, cheated, stolen from, put in unmitigated and unnecessary danger,denied ot, and black listed when I refuted to work for free.
Now I'm union and I get to deal with real problems like doing my job, working with the public, planning for next steps in my career and enjoying my work place.
I don't need to worry getting stepped on anymore.
My old coworkers whom still get dicked over weekly say "it such a hassle to be in a union.
Mfw
My good friend and old coworker who is not union fronted his company 25k in travel and hotel to do his job.
