So after all the bullshit we've heard for the past decade. we now have an electric car that's cheap, practical, and good quality. What will big oil do?
Rockefeller jumped off the Exxon ship
>>69887308
>cheap
>>69887308
>tesla shills have been shilling the shit out of their novelty car since friday afternoon
dude, this tech is garbage atm. give it another 10 (maybe) to 20 years.
>>69887308
>cheap
Is it a meme car?
>>69887308
>not enough effort to post the real thing instead of shitty photoshop
>>69887470
35,000 is pretty good for a new car
>>69887308
100 mile range
No off road capability
Battery will catch fire
Terrible in extreme cold and heat
Only faygets drive shit.like this
>>69887640
For a car that will only go 100 miles and catch fire in the process. .Yeah what a deal!
>>69887589
Looks the same. What's your point?
>>69887308
>big oil already bought up all the important patents
they won't worry about it goyim.
Tesla was a mistake
magnum force pimp mobile
>>69887308
>cheap + quality
time will tell. they've only been around a few years... give it 5-6 more and then you can say if it's really cheap + good quality .
repairs are going to be astronomical due to all the computer and specialized parts.
>>69887655
>>69887719
Where are you getting that it only goes 100 miles?
>35 grand
>35 000 US pesos
>cheap
This is not rational.
>>69888003
Reality son, reality..
Fuck where I live, in the middle of winter that pos wouldn't even make it down my drive way before needing some more coal fired energy
Planes and rockets still need fuel.
>not cheap
>shitty range
>can not operate in extreme conditions
>has an ipad for an interior
>power output drops as the journey goes on
i could go on but i have actual shitposting to do
>>69887655
>>69887719
The range is 250mi and it's considerably cheaper to charge than to buy fuel.
>>69888385
You forgot about the battery fires
>>69888451
You ever pay an electric bill?
>>69888451
>250 miles
According to tesla...
>>69887308
where does the power to make the components that make up the car come from?
check m8
>>69887308
>burns coal to power electricity
>uses highly dameging resources to use meme panels to charge
> less effeciemt
> doesnt last as long
> Always connected to google
>>69887308
We had one that was drawn up in the 60's I believe but general motors bought it out and probably locked it up where only few know about it.
>>69888513
Obviously not..section 8 has "free" power
>>69887308
they are way ahead of you boi, look for green tech patent. they are stalling until they could monopolize green tech, and after it'll be the same all over again
>>69888526
>>69887655
Their current car easily meets that the stated range and is rechargeable every day in your garage
Also the battery catching fire thing is pure bullshit. The rate at which Telsa motors combust happens less frequently than regular cars petrol catching fire.
>>69888647
So Jewgle will always know what your doing?
Good goy!
>>69887308
Show me tanks, tankers, frighters and jets that can run off electricity
>>69888799
...must be why there are so many pics of teslas on fire..
>>69888513
I said cheaper. Also, Supercharger stations are free.
>>69888526
Their other cars match their claims. Any other bogus arguments?
>>69888513
You ever pay for a month's worth of gas?
>>69888868
Yea, because the media blows it out of proportion and useful idiots like you believe it. Kys.
>>69888868
Model S. 3 hasn't even shipped yet.
>>69887579
when you have to go to a certified mechanic that uses tools that would make ikea go wtf then yes its a meme car
>>69888957
So the same media that is "le green" is now spreading anti le green propaganda?
Top kek m8
>>69887308
Crash and burn, hopefully.
Can't wait to see the whole Middle East go up in flames as the one resource that makes them worthwhile loses economic relevance.
Plus no global warming, please. Thank you. I don't like floods.
>>69889077
So it is a fire free model?
Shit probably breaks down after 60k miles.
>>69888936
No they dont..unless you live in a place with a constant 70° temp
>>69889449
>implying that pos would even make 5,000 miles before bursting into flames
>>69889294
>Global warming
>Things that are true
Pick one reddit scum
>>69889164
You see this with any new technology. Shit changes.
Literally every single criticism against the Tesla 3 in this thread was disproved.
>>69889542
Technology implies improvement, progress
This is going backwards
The model T is more reliable and efficient than this meme car
>>69888868
Because when a new technology fails its news.
When a petrol car catches fire its Monday.
>>69889544
Link?
>we now have
>not a single unit produced
>>69889633
Oh, yeah that makes sense. .
Stay Austistic m8
Sure is big oil shill in here.
>>69888941
>>69888513
Using the average Model S battery @ 85 kWh lets calculate with Austrian prices.
1 kWh is about 0.18 € here.
This gives us around 16 € per charge (assuming a little inefficiency in battery charging).
Tesla's claimed range is around 400 km, although I would peg that 350 km to be realistic.
For a car of comparable performance:
Selected by 0-100 kmh time:
Lamborghini Gallardo
With a bit aggressive driving habit 350 km cost around 58€ here in Austria (using 15 liters / 100 km @ 1.099 € / liter fuel cost).
The most fuel efficient car for that range would be a Toyota Prius:
UK efficiency data quotes 3.9 l / 100 km, so lets say 4 l / 100 km
The Prius would cost 15.38 € to run on 350 km.
The Model S 85 kWh costs 15.3 € (assuming 100% charging efficiency and no daytime extra expense).
The Tesla cars win boys.
At least here in Europe they do, importing them is a hassle though and you won't be recouping those fuel costs too quick.
>>69889638
Watch the Tesla 3 reveal
>>69889708
Of course the real range is not even close to that...
Le push car
if your terrible go-carts ever take off, it will reduce the demand for oil, which will make it cheaper for the rest of us, good plan
not to mention that the batteries are like 30% of the cars weight, full of acid and other noxious chemicals and in a crash you're fucked
>>69889691
Didn't even notice that It's only 1 guy
What a sad existence, to be shilling hard for oil companies
>>69888868
Yeah it's almost like a car catching fire is more likely to make the news than cars not catching fire.
Retard.
>>69889690
>no rebuttal
>gets mad
>salt throughout thread
Did your mother eat a lithium battery and die or something?
>>69888799
>The rate at which Telsa motors combust happens less frequently than regular cars petrol catching fire
I assume you can back this up?
>>69887308
Or you can hit up Craigslist for a $600 Geo Metro that is cheaper to maintain and cost $8 a week in gas.
>>69889783
its rated as one of the safest cars in the world
>>69889773
Even if we half the Tesla's range to 200 km, its basically on par with regular petrol cars. An efficient diesel will be beating the Tesla though.
The point I'm trying to make is that here it basically doesn't matter. I'd say the only problem with owning a Tesla in the city is that there's no power plug to charge with anywhere.
>>69888870
wow, magic free elctricity, why not just install a magic free elctricity generator in a car and never need to charge?!
>>69889783
>full of acid
Clearly you know jack shit, because the battery is a lithium ion battery, not a lead sulphur battery like typical car batteries.
Big Oil was already going down, thanks to over-production. Most of the small oil companies are already either bankrupt or looking into it. And by "small oil companies" I mean multi-billion dollar corporations like Swift.
I don't believe this will have a major impact on the economy. Corporations evolve. When radio was replaced by television, the smart manufacturers simply started making televisions.
So what could a big oil company do if oil suddenly became a non-commodity?
I don't know. What CAN you do when you know more about drilling into the Earth's crust than anyone else?
I'm sure they'll come up with something. Some of them will easily transition to the natural gas industry, which is booming.
In any case, the death of Big Oil is not going to affect much besides Big Oil employees. And I know those guys, I did some roughnecking down in the Gulf of Mexico in my younger years. They'll survive, they're all tough and smart.
>>69888870
>free
Has anyone here actually driven a Tesla? I drove a model S and the seats were trash, especially the back seats. The AC would drain the battery so fast and the storage cabins were absolute shit. For example there was no glove compartment and no storage bins in the doors, there was just nothing. Also it is only fast at max charge. Anything other than that, an equally priced Audi, Mercedes, or BMW would smoke it.
>>69889844
crash ratings only care whether your neck is broken or not in a crash
>>69889788
Almost as if that one guy has driven one..
>>69887308
>pre-ordering a fucking car
t. The liberal dream
What is this nonsense? Why would I purchase a car I haven't even test drove yet?
>>69889783
>it will reduce the demand for oil, which will make it cheaper for the rest of us
Consumer fuel demand is only a small portion of oil demand. Oil demand remains fairly closely fixed to population growth/wealth. It is supply variance that sets the price.
Once current production winds down in 4-5 years and the minimal current investment in oil production hits the cost of oil will jump back up. Will be interesting to see if the Tesla and the electric vehicle can make its business case then. Once a shift big enough occurs that they start getting economies of scale it will be hard to reverse the trend.
>>69889928
>Free charging means free long term car storage
>>69889844
nice source, retard faggot
did they teach you that in shill class? just make claims but don't try and back them up?
that might work on other sites, but not here cumguzzler
>>69889886
what are the components then?
>>69889708
There are easier ways to calculate the fuel costs.
1 liter of gasoline has the energy content equivalent of 10 kw/h.
Internal combustion engine has al efficiency of ~20-25%.
You have to compare the price of 2.5 Kw/h with the price of one liter gasoline to get an idea the difference in cost of driving it.
>>69889886
is lithium that element that burns in water? then explodes the tank?
>>69887308
Sounds good to me, I wont drive if my destination us greater than 200 miles anyway
>>69889864
>on par
Do you own a vehicle?
My truck as a range of about 645km...1300km with a couple jerry cans in the back..
>>69890151
>its free to charge your car bro! theres superchargers everywhere!
>>69890158
>>69890192
you haven't looked into the car at all
>>69890246
Literally everywhere!
>>69887308
>cheap
?
>>69890075
yes, the cure for high prices is high prices, and the cure for low prices is low prices
but a few of the things I've read blame the low oil price not just on oversupply, but underdemand too, not sure how true it is
>>69890258
and you have? ok, so that was you're chance to shine
what point is there to make an accusation when you are some sort of expert on it?
>>69887308
I bet it handles great in the snow too.
>>69890025
Yeah the interior needs work.
Its ok, but for the price ok is not good enough.
>Also it is only fast at max charge. Anything other than that, an equally priced Audi, Mercedes, or BMW would smoke it.
Never mind, didn't realise you were a shill. The performance does not degrade significantly with battery use.
>>69888868
>what is cherry picking 890
>>69889544
How can you disprove things like
>it will break down easy
>battery pack will only last a few years
If the thing hasn't hit the road yet?
Also, OP has shares in Tesla
>>69890403
you want us to just give you all the information about the car when you can just google it. all the negative things you have constantly said have been addressed by Tesla in the reveal
>>69889294
>Electric cars
>there is no need for oil
Tell me, Maurice, does electricity grow on trees?
>>69890173
I was thinking about this comparison, but I found its unfair.
Using that thinking I can do 85 / 2.5 * 1.099 to get 37ish € per battery charge, however clearly there's other cars which are much more efficient than this.
>>69890223
>lets ignore the numbers and resort to questioning what I do and don't have
yes, I have a car.
>My truck as a range of about 645km...1300km with a couple jerry cans in the back..
With what liters per 100 km rate?
that range sounds like at least 120ish € worth of gasoline. Using 200 km / 85 kWh on the Tesla we get around 100€ worth of electricity cost using my previous variables. The obvious advantage the petrol car has is that it takes practically no time to refuel.
I find an efficiency like 10 liters / 100 km doubtful in a "truck". American trucks are gas guzzlers.
>>69889503
>.75 c has been added to your account
>>69890507
Meme panels make the free energy. .duh!
>>69890349
The chemical and manufacturing industries have a very stable demand and tend to minimise variation when compared to total demand levels. Price shifts correlate far better to production tracking than demand tracking metrics (not on home computer so dont have links). However when you do a statistical analysis of at the pump pricing a lot of it seems to be influenced by unknown factors (pulled out of some dept head's ass)
>>69889821
>Had a conventional gasoline car encountered the same object on the highway, the result could have been far worse. A typical gasoline car only has a thin metal sheet protecting the underbody, leaving it vulnerable to destruction of the fuel supply lines or fuel tank, which causes a pool of gasoline to form and often burn the entire car to the ground. In contrast, the combustion energy of our battery pack is only about 10% of the energy contained in a gasoline tank and is divided into 16 modules with firewalls in between. As a consequence, the effective combustion potential is only about 1% that of the fuel in a comparable gasoline sedan.
>The nationwide driving statistics make this very clear: there are 150,000 car fires per year according to the National Fire Protection Association, and Americans drive about 3 trillion miles per year according to the Department of Transportation. That equates to 1 vehicle fire for every 20 million miles driven, compared to 1 fire in over 100 million miles for Tesla. This means you are 5 times more likely to experience a fire in a conventional gasoline car than a Tesla!
>For consumers concerned about fire risk, there should be absolutely zero doubt that it is safer to power a car with a battery than a large tank of highly flammable liquid.
https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/model-s-fire
http://www.nfpa.org/safety-information/for-consumers/vehicles
>>69890158
I just told you shit heel.
Lithium, you know, the thing we use for pretty much every battery now.
>>69890192
Lithium ION, as in Lithium ions from a lithium salt, not raw lithium.
Honestly you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, it's like a 5 year old trying to discuss geopolitics.
>>69887308
My question is how long can those batteries last before they stop holding a charge?
>>69887308
DUDE
DODGE DART
LMAO
DUDE
PANEL GAPS
LMAO
>>69889828
Or, you can be realistic. You can buy a $600 Geo metro that you have to hold together with duct tape, slow down before you hit small potholes (if you can even get it up to speed), brace for impact if you do, hope that it can take you to your destination without breaking down, and pray you don't get into an accident
>>69890726
This is one of my main concerns. That and how easy is access to replace them.
>>69888513
10c/kw, 65k battery, 85% efficient charger, $7.475 for a full charge, 215 miles, 3.15c/mile, if the only 100 miles claim were true, 7.475c/mile.
35mpg 10gal tank car $1.70/gal, 4.8c/mile.
But what about
.
.
.Hydrogen!?
>>69890525
11.76 liters per 100km..
I am paying roughly .44€ per liter
>>69890726
they said minimum of 215 miles and will be looking to increase that in the future
>>69890718
Lithium ION is base. Nice try.
>>69890533
By whom?
>>69890726
I've seen 100k miles before they need to be serviced. They cost $12k and, according to Tesla, they are easy to swap.
>>69889288
The media spreads propaganda of whoever pays the most.
>>69890885
>.44€ per liter
I assume its diesel and you must be living in one of the cheapest areas to buy gasoline if your claim is true, that sounds like 1.70ish $ per gallon.
>>69890464
LOL If I did, I sure as fuck wouldn't be hanging out on 4chan.
>>69890882
Never going to happen, way to energy intensive to actually manufacture hydrogen and store it, not to mention the problems with using raw hydrogen as a fuel.
>>69889708
>assuming 100% charging efficiency and no daytime extra expense
But you literally cannot assume these things. Because they're wrong.
>>69890960
>according to tesla
>>69890910
By your shill, idiot...
Unless you doing it for free, which in that case, let me laugh at you.
>>69890507
Nuclear is far more efficient.
So is coal.
So is natural gas.
Fuck oil. It's only useful 'cause it's energy dense.
>>69889821
read
>>69890668
holy shit you got rekt son
>>69890643
where could I get this info?
>>69890499
son, I am dissapoint
your source for how great and safe something is is the company that makes it?
you won't even tell me how much of what elements are in the batteries?
shill rating 1/10, buck up your ideas or hand in your resignation
Oil prices aren't that high that you need to invest into an electric car at the moment.
You might consider them cheap, practical and good quality, but they're still not as cheap, practical and good quality as regular cars.
Come back in 5 years, then we will talk about buying electric.
>>69891009
If it's anything like forklift batteries, it'll be relatively easy.
>>69890907
>The three primary functional components of a lithium-ion battery are the positive and negative electrodes and electrolyte. Generally, the negative electrode of a conventional lithium-ion cell is made from carbon. The positive electrode is a metal oxide, and the electrolyte is a lithium salt in an organic solvent.[45] The electrochemical roles of the electrodes reverse between anode and cathode, depending on the direction of current flow through the cell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Construction
Like I said, not raw Lithium, saying it is is like saying rust is the same as uncorroded iron because it has iron in it.
>>69891033
>shill shitposting
>literally refusing to google his own questions
mad oil fag is mad
Before you guys get all excited about electric cars, allow me to point something out to you - and if you'll indulge me, I'll use an analogy for effect.
Let's just say the U.S. Government suddenly developed altruistic tendencies and decided to give away free electric cars to all U.S. citizens.
Couldn't be done. Ever. Why?
Because lithium.
Lithium is an abundant element - one of the most abundant on the planet.
But there's a problem with lithium - it's scattered everywhere in trace amounts. There's a lot of it in ocean water - .14 - .25 ppm. There's a lot of it in the ground, up to 70 ppm in some areas.
But if you can imagine what it would be like to find a grain of salt in a bag of sugar, that's a pretty good analogy for how lithium mining works.
Lithium is plentiful, but hard to get, and we do not currently have the technology to get it at a more rapid pace.
There may have been some oil companies over the years lobbying politicians to make sure gas-powered vehicles remained the norm. But there never has been some "conspiracy" to keep us using oil. It's always been the lithium problem - there's simply not enough of it to put everyone in electric cars. And lithium is absolutely necessary to make batteries of a small enough size to allow manufacture of a normal-sized vehicle.
Probably, someday, we'll work out how to acquire lithium in abundance. But that day is not today.
>>69891019
That's still not stopping people from using oil to generate electricity. Point is, oil will still be used, albeit in smaller quantities.
>>69890718
>I just told you shit heel.
and here I was just about to drop $100k on 3 cars for my company
your negative attitude has made me switch to BMW
>>69890971
Nope, gas. Diesel is more expensive
Yep, currently 1.70ish..saw as low as .97 a couple months back
>>69891007
Take like a 10%ish addition to the cost and we will be about where the actual cost is.
I wonder why no one has bothered to link diagnostic data in this thread from real world drivers and their costs to run Tesla vehicles. Probably helps keep the shilling alive.
>>69891009
>easy to swap
You realize that they just use some proprietary plug and you'll need 6 hours in the shop with some powertools to get the job done? How hard can it be?
>implying they would actually hardwire the battery pack in without a disconnect for replacement
>>69891226
Diesel is more expensive than gasoline in America?
Fucking weird that is.
>>69891010
My shill?
>>69890668
direct from Tesla themselves?
how many teslas are on the road in the US?
>>69891277
Diesel has always been more expensive in Australia up until last year too
>>69889457
Source? They are big sellers in norway. Cold temperatures are not a big problem for Teslas.
>>69891033
>tells me i am not giving evidence when telling him to simply look it up
>asks someone else where to go to find evidence
>they are just going to link him something from googling it
>>69891216
Cool beans, I'm not here shilling for anyone so do whatever you fancy mate.
>>69891198
>No lithium in abundance
Afghanistan was found to have one of the largest deposits on earth in the past few years.
http://www.mining.com/1-trillion-motherlode-of-lithium-and-gold-discovered-in-afghanistan/
>we now have an electic car
>we NOW
No we don't. That thing isn't launching for another good year lmao
by that time all manufacturers will be shilling their own electrodykes
>>69891030
>holy shit you got rekt son
by figures and claims from an unbiased source?
>>69887308
Big oil will merely become big energy
Oh wait, it did. Big oil fucking moved into solar panels a while back. Nothing new there, they were never out to kill the electric car, the less retarded ones become energy companies in the end.
>>69891407
>Afghanistan was found to have one of the largest deposits on earth
And it's not even that big.
>>69891375
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/02/winter-chills-limit-range-of-the-tesla-model-s-electric-car/index.htm
>>69891277
It is very weird..it does fluctuate state to state a bit. But generally speaking it is a bit more.
Use to be way cheaper, about 10 years ago, then everyone decided they needed to roll coal
It takes 9 hours to charge or 80 minutes to charge to go 200 miles,
I drive 90 miles a day, fuck that waiting time
>>69887308
I would actually consider one, but i don't need a new car yet.
>>69891277
>Diesel is more expensive than gasoline in America?
It isn't much more right now, but it's usually a lot more. I'm pretty sure it has to do with farm subsidies because farms get diesel for fucking nothing.
>>69891407
>wasting all the lithium on infant technology
>>69888647
It's still more efficient than burn petrol to power electricity than to burn it directly in your car
Why don't these cars have solar panels?
>>69891703
They're expensive and inefficient at that scale.
>>69891520
Hm.
Diesel has been the cheaper fuel here in Europe for years now. It drove up the value of diesel cars (not surprisingly).
>>69891568
> farm subsidies because farms get diesel for fucking nothing.
Well...
The fuel is dyed so technically speaking if rednecks are using it on the road they can be fined.
The gas stations probably just want to make a killing off trucks. Those big rigs y'all have are probably whats driving the price rather than farm subsidies.
>>69891703
driving on the freeway would require you to replace panels daily
>>69887640
>35,000 is pretty good for a new car
you know nothing about cars.
>>69891703
>>69891597
>>69891581
>>69891568
>>69891554
>>69891520
>>69891519
>>69891508
>>69891463
>>69891442
Ya'll are forgetting the $10,000 dollarydoos you get for buying one as a federal tax credit
>>69890525
Now that I looked it up, the calculation is too simplistic. Electric cars are ~30% heavier than equivalent cars with an internal combustion engine. That's why it doesn't add up.
>>69888124
How the fuck do you know that? What is your source, your feels?
>>69890882
Hydrogen is a cunt to store. Takes up massive volumes, is hell to compress and leaks out of everything.
>>69891779
>10k rebates when the car cost 30k
nope
>>69891277
>Take like a 10%ish
No. Sure, it's a roughly 90% maximum efficiency quoted by Tesla, but realistically you're looking at more like 80%. As for power costs; the nature of off-peak is that the peak occurs when most power is drawn from the grid. If everyone charges their car in the off-peak hours it will cease to be off-peak. You can't count on being able to charge your car at off-peak rates.
>>69891776
Why do you retards forget about the $10,000 tax credit you get for buying an EV effectively making this care $25,000 which is as much as a Civic.
If $35,000 is too much for you 3rd worlders then enjoy your Nissan Versa
>>69891842
Not to mention more energy needed to product than can be utilized.
>>69891842
Don't forget how it'll embrittle metals.
>>69891925
https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Plug-In-Electric-Vehicle-Credit-IRC-30-and-IRC-30D
Goes by battery size you retard. Do any of you fuckers read before posting?
>>69891755
>Those big rigs y'all have are probably whats driving the price
you're probably right
generally makes it hard to justify buying a diesel VW, but they used to mildly popular.
>>69888124
>Fuck where I live, in the middle of winter
Sux to be you!
Where I live, in the middle of winter, average temp is about 55 and sunny.
>>69891033
>you won't even tell me how much of what elements are in the batteries?
>>69891146
>literally on wikipedia
As for the oil price study, I have the link @ home but I am not on that computer. Google is not bringing it up it may be on an academic database.
>>69891198
So? Fuck lithium batteries. I would suggest to begin researching and developing ways to make graphite super condensators safer to use in cars in case of an accident. Caps are lighter than batteries, and have increased power use. Graphite can be made a few atoms thick to increase energy density.
Despite that, if we were to use lithium batteries, it is extremely abundant (as you've said). There is plenty of lithium currently available for use, and there is plenty of lithium currently being created. Ores such as spudomene and lepidolite are lithium rich, so I'm not sure how you get that it's like trying to find "a grain of salt in a bag of sugar"
>>69892060
>The credit begins to phase out for a manufacturer’s vehicles when at least 200,000 qualifying vehicles have been sold for use in the United States
how about you read retard
>>69890890
I mean how long before they need to be replaced, not how long they go on a single charge.
Rechargeable batteries only last for so many charge cycles before they need replacing.
>>69892060
sort of
you better hurry goy
>Once Tesla sells 200,000 vehicles, the next calendar quarter will be the last quarter that new Tesla owners will be eligible for the full tax credit of $7,500. After that, new Tesla owners will be eligible for only 50% of the tax credit, then just 25%, and eventually nothing over a 15 month time frame.
>>69890769
I bought mine eight years ago for $900. It has never had a major issue. Everything it needs, including tires, can be bought off Amazon and shipped right to my door for next to nothing.
As far as crash safety, you're right, it doesn't have any.
>>69891298
HAHAHA
You do it for free!
>>69892060
>Do any of you fuckers read before posting?
>/pol/
>literate
LOL
>>69887308
It is neither cheap nor practical, its just hugely shilled for the current retarded hipster generation.
Lets see what people think once those shitty litium-ion batteries start to burn on them.
>>69891772
?
Just put a fucking glass cover on it.
>>69891794
>the calculation is too simplistic.
precisely.
We don't need to make these sorts of paper calculations when we can use data gathered by real world drivers of petrol vehicles.
>>69891958
In Austria you pay less per kWh the more you use, incrementally up to a maximum cheapest cost which would mitigate this in the long run.
Battery charging is more or less 90-95% efficient provided you aren't having heat problems. Tesla vehicles are also so rare around here that the "if everyone" argument doesn't work. That being said we don't have that much of a difference between peak and off peak.
>>69892071
>buying a diesel VW
kekked
How is that whole fiasco playing out?
Is VW actually recalling vehicles to be retrofitted with emissions compliance software?
Sounds gay desu.
>>69892186
>graphic super capacitors
You realize that the energy density per liter of "super caps" is on the scale of joules.
Most "super caps" are circuit board type, but building a capacitor large enough to hold megajoules is basically like sitting on a bomb.
Lithium is plenty abundant.
>>69891198
The only thing stopping the cost effective mining of lithium and other rare earths is that the tailings are often classified as 'nuclear waste' because hippies don't know how dirt works. Because they took out the barely present rare earth metals they 'concentrated' the thorium, which is radioactive. So the tailings from rare earth mining has to be stored as if it was fucking nuclear waste.
Its pants on head retarded and why most rare earth mining is done in China, where they just dont give a fuck.
>>69889505
Noone is claimind that global wotming isnt real. The battle is between those who say that its natural worlds cycle and those who say that its man-made.
Know the difference!
>>69891581
>Lithium batteries
>infant technology
>>69887655
All of those things are wrong. None of those things are true. You're a big oil shill.
But I'm worried what this will do for the economy. 7 of the top 10 biggest companies in the world are oil related, they make trillions together. If that all ends, that's a lot of money
>riding the electric or gassy jew
>not getting a bike
Nice shilling ya goys
>>69891963
You're not guaranteed that 10000k tax credit. AND you have to wait til tax time to get that money BACK. If you don't have 35k on hand, or a 35k loan, you can't buy it.
>>69889620
But it costs much more than model 3..
>>69890769
I drive a 1996 Ford Fiesta. I bought it for €200 and never had a problem with it, despite treating it like shit.
>>69888124
>>69888003
As solar and EVs have got better in the last 20 years their opponents have gradually retreated to their feels and imagination.
In 2017 there will be 2-4 EVs with 200mi+ ranges available. They will cost pennies to refuel, and in many countries (Shit posting land in particular) the cheapest form of energy to power them will be solar. The technologies have been improving steadily for 30 years, but these retards just won't listen.
>>69887655
>100 mile range
Will only get better (pretty sure it already has)
>No off road capability
Irrelevant for most consumers
>Battery will catch fire
Didn't they fix this iterations back
>Terrible in extreme cold and heat
Isn't that most cars?
>Only faygets drive shit.like this
Fags do always have the dopest whips
>>69891146
interesting
also
>. Most devices equipped with Li-ion batteries do not allow charging outside of 0–45 °C for safety reasons,
>>69891179
I'm new to the internet, not sure how to google yet, is it like bonsaibuddy? some idiot installed that on all my computers, took weeks for our tech to get rid of it
>>69891277
>Diesel is more expensive than gasoline in America?
more energy dense I believe
>>69891382
oh no, how can I take the shame
>>69891407
certainly will
>>69891597
if that's so, why is my gas 1/3rd the price of my electricity?
>>69891779
wait, everyone else pays me to sniff my own farts? that sounds fair
>>69892100
>you won't even tell me how much of what elements are in the batteries?
it's fine if you don't know, i just thought you guys were experts
>>69892388
>less range than some 90s civic
>>69892393
>relying on the pedal jew
>not using just your own legs
Have fun cracking your skull on the curb.
I want to beta test the self-driving feature, could be fun.
>>69888799
I'm pretty sure the petrol in my car should probably have a 100% chance to catch fire
>>69892265
>Nvidia vidya cards burst into treats
>Macbooks burst into treats
>Tesla bursts into treats
It is a conspiracy.
Anything to fuck over subhuman interbreeding mudslimes, is a win in my book.
>>69888065
If that is not affordable to you then you are 100% poor
>>69891830
Because I have driven and S in -28 Celsius
And by driven I mean stranded on the side of the highway
>>69891198
>Because lithium.
Lithium can be replaced with sodium, with the disadvantage of reducing the energy density of the battery by merely 20%. Theoretical advantages of a sodium battery are: Lower price, Faster charging times and would last more cycles.
>>69892392
Or maybe hes just trolling you, n youre dumb enough to take the bait....
>>69891703
Heavy, have to be kept clean, ugly, sensitive to the constant vibration, have to be angled towards the sun to maximise efficiency, complex to manufacture to the contours of a car.
I could go on.
>>69892080
It doesn't suck..it keeps the niggers and moslems away
>>69892388
At large scale? Yeah.
>>69892545
pfffffffffff hahahhahaaha
>>69887640
Starts at 35k, if you want wheels and air conditioning the car will easily be over 40k which isn't cheap by any standard for a compact sedan
>>69892339
>building a capacitor large enough to hold megajoules is basically like sitting on a bomb.
Exactly why I said we should r&d safe super capacitors. I understand that if caps release their energy, it will explode. We need to find a way to release that energy safely in case of a crash.
>>69892680
How so?
>>69892242
I do?
>>69892388
>Cars that can't be recycled because their main power source is a toxic heavy metal that loves to seep into water sources
>>69892393
If you ride a bike
Youre supporting the kike
>>69892444
>yet
>>69892393
It's rainy today young one. Hope you brought your car to work millenial. Oh wait.
>>69892265
>Lets see what people think once those shitty litium-ion batteries start to burn on them.
>>69890668
>>69887655
ur a faggot
the range is around 250 miles
the battery fire problems were fixed years ago
teslas have 4 wheel drive options
fuck yourself electric cars are the future
Oil is very cheap in some places.
Electric cars a shit.
>batteries burn out after five years
>batteries cost as much as the car
meme tier
>>69892770
you think oil is going to be cheap for very long?
>>69892713
>Exactly why I said we should r&d safe super capacitors.
Musk himself used to do just that. He stopped because he figured there some some chance of a breakthrough someday, but it might not happen at all. He wanted to work on stuff that would make real world improvements, so he dropped that. Lithium is good enough to build cars with today. If we figure out supercapacitors someday, then great.
>>69892801
Meme tier argument indeed.
>>69887308
>cheap, practical, and good quality
>>69892502
>Battery will catch fire
>Didn't they fix this iterations back
All lithium batteries have the issue of catching fire. It's never "fixed". There's a temperature sensor that goes on the battery pack. During charging & discharging the temperature sensor disable packs depending on reaching a peak temperature.
If the sensor fails, or any of the IC needed to turn on & off the packs fails, the battery can overheat and catch fire.
>>69892721
Apparently you're a retard, too.
>>69892833
the saudis have no problem controlling prices
>>69892768
>the battery fire problems were fixed years ago
see
>>69892884
>>69892801
Wrong.
Lithium batteries do not cost 35k.
>>69887308
meme it out of popularity. Same with affordable compact housing, they sure did meme that down to the ground. Remember goyim, mortgages are positive and affordable housing is for cucks, gooood gooooood goyim.
>>69892750
Well I've had it for 7 years, mate. I'd love to look forward and see how a Model 3 performs after 20 years and 3 learner drivers.
>>69892845
Good point.
It doesn't hurt to advance that technology, though.
>>69893008
cost 12k, the cost of your car in 5 years
>>69892884
>It's never "fixed".
It is fixed though. In fact it was never really a problem for tesla. The batteries have firewalls, so any fire will be contained to a single cell. The cells are also tough as shit. What tesla changed, is they made the battery even tougher.
But even the fires that did happen, the cabin area was never effected. The drivers could have stayed in their cars and have been fine. There was never any danger.
They were also ridiculously less prone to fire than any ICE cars, and the fires they did have were much much safer than ICE car fires.
>>69893056
Electric cars require less maintenace because they have less moving parts.
>>69892344
if only there was a use for Thorium
>>69892458
so how many sq metres of solar panels does it take to power an average home?
how long does it take to pay for itself
>>69892620
>>69892677
we've got to knock out ISIS, and take their oil!
>>69892704
>if you want wheels
what?
why would I want wheels? on a car?
>>69892845
>Musk himself
aww, hero worship... of a man whose company has never made a profit and has a market cap over half as big as BMW
>>69892974
so if the car breaks the car can break? incredible
>>69890173
" Kw/h " stopped reading there
Looks like you can't into simple units
>>69893056
your car Still a good deal, though
>>69892845
Super capacitors have already been figured out. There's a battery company in Japan already producing them.
They're also carbon based, so they're biodegradable.
>>69892883
Nice gif, waffle bro
Looking forward to seeing them around so I can boost local auto body business. Tesla driving fucks can afford some street tax and a trip to the spray booth.
>>69892768
I am a faggot?
Says the tesla shill..4wd with 1 inch clearance..hah
>>69891963
>Why do you retards forget about the $10,000 tax credit
$7500, and only applies to the first 200k cars, which was surpassed just hours after the release of the model 3, only the first 200k pre-orders will get that discount.
>>69893128
>of a man whose company has never made a profit and has a market cap over half as big as BMW
is.. that a problem? Market cap represents market confidence that they will make a strong profit. They'd be plenty profitable now if they weren't reinvesting their revenue so much.
>>69893072
So, are you going to buy a 5 year old electric car that costs 12k, but oh wai,t you still have to buy the battery?
I'm not getting your point
>>69892833
Muh peak oil!
Who cares about cars they aren't a huge consumer at all. How will airplanes and freight ships run once oil becomes too expensive. Sailboats and blimps all over again?
You dumb fucks the battery problems are not fixed by a long-shot, they don't even fucking know what will happen when you get +200k of cars with lithium batteries bouncing in them. Now it wouldn't be much of problem if all roads were in pristine conditions and all drivers would drive carefully, but we all know neither of these are true. If not right out burn, those batteries will at least have a shortened life-time compared to what Tesla promises, you're just so fucking shilled that you refuse to believe that.
Now I'd be all for a electric car, but the current batteries that we are able to produce are garbage tier, you can earnestly see it in any mobile device you might have owned.
>>69893163
>Super capacitors have already been figured out.
Not ones suitable for cars though
>>69893123
That's as case may be, but I can repair my car with parts off ebay.
>>69892885
I am?
>>69893163
High energy capacitors that can withstand damage without explosion arent', though.
>>69890070
You get the bonus DLC from gamestop
>>69892728
>toxic heavy metal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_%28chemical_element%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_heavy_metal
Strange I don't see lithium, the least dense solid element and lightest metal, on those lists.
Also Lithium is so toxic it was, and is, used in medicine. Lithium toxicity is possible, but it is not going to poison you on contact.
>>69893118
>Driving around with volatile explosives under your car
Nice try ISIS.
>>69892801
Replacement battery every 5 years = $12000
CHEAPEST running cost per week of a petrol car = $95
http://m.mynrma.com.au/motoring-services/buy-sell/buying-advice/car-operating-costs.htm
95×52×5 = $24700
>>69893286
nothing stopping you doing the same for electric cars. Parts on ebay still cost money.
>>69887308
Sell their oil to electric plants?
>>69893250
nuclear
>>69893300
Don't reply to my thread unless you have something to contribute.
>>69893336
You mean ICE cars?
>>69893405
Or else?
>>69893337
Our gasoline doesn't cost $17 per gallon like in Australia. Your numbers and inflated economy are meaningless to us.
>>69893323
Never made it through high school chem?
>http://chemistry.about.com/od/metalsalloys/f/What-Is-A-Heavy-Metal.htm
>Examples of heavy metals include lead, mercury and cadmium. Less commonly, any metal with a potential negative health effect or environmental impact may be termed a heavy metal, such as cobalt, chromium, lithium and even iron.
Prius is only $25K.
Just admit you never wanted an electric car before because >MUH LIBRULZ
How is a car powered by coal better than a car powered by oil?
>>69893337
>$95 a week
what do you drive a v8?
