I'm a 21 year old English student at the University of York. Should I vote for the UK to stay in or leave the EU? I'm honestly having trouble deciding
>>69878605
Vote leave.
You don't even need to know why, just trust us that its the better option.
The list of reasons is massive, so pick a category like societal or economic to delve into.
Also an anecdote, it's a sad reflection of democracy that people like you are allowed to vote.
>>69878605
Depends if you're normie or right wing
Leave, of course. Don't let that cultural marxist institution drag you down with them, your Commonwealth brothers are here with you.
>>69878605
vote self-destruction.
>>69878605
I am at York too. If you want, I can meet you later on this week to give you a hundred reasons why you ought to vote leave if you like?
>>69878605
Do you think English people have the right to exist?
Then vote leave.
>>69878670
What, educated adults being allowed to vote is a bad thing now?
>>69878605
Leave!
Seriously, do you want to live in a democracy or not? 75% of our laws are made behind closed doors in Brussels.
A little history for you. The Athenians back in the day set up the Delian lEague with other Aegean islands to work together to fight of the Persians. The other islands gave money to Athens for it to increase it's war fleet to keep the Aegean safe.
Guess what?
The Aegean fleet grew so big so when peace with the Persians had been made, Athens would attack islands that stopped paying tribute.
The EU is literally the same thing with their desire to make a European police force and coast guard.
>>69878605
Vote stay! You will lose the financial taxation provided by companies who have their headquarters in London. You don't even know how lucky you got by entering the EU.
>>69878605
VOTE LEAVE, do the opposite of our politicians and what the EU want, they want us to stay.
That is all the reason you need, I will also give you 5 blowjobs.
>>69878859
The geese are fucking horrendous aren't they
>>69878605
Vote for them to stay to bring on the inevitable European disaster ever quicker. The faster the EU gets destroyed, the more likely an Enlightening will come.
>>69878605
Leave the EU. When you do we might reconsider the USA being your masters. Might.
>>69878928
>educated adults being allowed to vote is a bad thing now?
And yet you don't understand politics enough to know that voting to leave is the best option for Britain by a large margin and an undisputed margin.
The problem comes from the fact that there's millions of people like you and then we end up in clusterfucked situations.
If you were educated you wouldn't need our help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAq1q1_swyM
Listen to this vid, it's insightful
Do your country a favor.
Leave.
You won't be forced to accept as many refugees.
>>69878993
They really are! Are you on hes east or west? How does 2pm on Wednesday at the library Costa sound?
>>69878605
Leaving EU means less immigration so unless you're a fuckwit I have no idea why you'd vote to stay.
>>69878605
Leave. You need to leave.
>>69878993
Man I fucking hate geese and swans, proper shifty cunts. But at least that's the deadliest the animals get in the UK
>>69879114
Sorry friend but as a general rule I don't meet up with people from the internet. I lived on hes west when I was a first year, but I'm a third year now so live next to the city walls. You?
>>69878605
The EU is like Yugoslavia, too many countries that are very different all being forced to work together. It won't work, it will collapse. Hopefully it will not end in a war though.
>>69878986
>You don't even know how lucky you got by entering the EU
We didn't really enter the EU as such we entered the EEC and then everything went to shit during 1992/93 when the EEC became the EU via Maastricht Treaty and the Euro single currency came about etc etc.
Also people didn't get the option to not remain in the EU, it was decided for us, which is nice
And here we are today
>>69879226
That's understandable friend. Im second year, but living with postgrads as I'm a tad older. If you change your mind then that's where I'll be for an hour or so.
>>69878605
Stay and fight you fucking coward.
>>69878605
You should let's dubs decide
>>69878605
I would be most grateful if you left, it's a sinking ship and a great burdain to its members anyway; your decisiveness in saying FUCK OFF would only hasten its inevitable demise
as for the trade issues, nothing is stopping us from having mutually beneficial trade agreements in the future, tailored to the needs of countries involved in making them
>>69878605
if you have to ask this question you are legit retarded.
>>69879074
Fuck off. No one has any clue, there are figures that say we save money and there are ones thay say we lost money. I'm more fucking educated than you anyway
As a UK expat does my vote even count?
>>69878605
Look at it this way: there's only two ways the EU can end. The status quo is not on the table, the EU has been aiming for integration since the 1950s and if we vote to Remain, we are implicitly approving this political project.
1) Federalisation into a single, European state. Given the EU as it stands, this federation will probably be largely undemocratic, economically stagnant, and have no real unifying social similarities other than an out of touch Globalist elite. I don't think this is desirable for Britain.
2) Disintegration into constituent nations. Depending on the degree of integration, this will be economically damaging and result in years, even decades, of global financial turmoil.
The longer we stay in, the higher the risk of one of those scenarios happening is. Both will hurt far more than any temporary pain that comes from a Brexit now.
>>69879074
Austrian fag speaks the truth, it's also bloody depressing that other countries (such as mine or austrianbro's) don't have a say on wether we should stay in the eu or not.
So dont fuck up this opportunity, mohammed.
Leave the commonwealth and the Anglosphere want you to join us, or you can turn into a satellite state of the EUUSSR 2.0.
>>69879492
yes expats can vote
Vote to Brexit. It'll put Americans and the British back in de facto control of the EU, which is better than the socialists who run it from Brussels.
>>69878605
>Voting to cut yourself out of the biggest, most powerful economy on the planet
Yeah man, totally vote to leave.
>>69878605
Vote leave.
>>69879605
How will we control the EU if we're not in it
>>69879471
>I'm more fucking educated than you anyway
Then you wouldn't need to ask a fucking image board in Japan about what to do in the coming referendum.
The battle of the Brexit is largely ideological. Your economy will be fine, but the implications it has on the eurosceptic movement and the union as a whole far overshadow just England alone.
There is much more at stake here than you think. Don't be so angry.
>>69879538
I fear France is tied to the Euro ship and will sink with it, being a core founding member and all. Austria has a chance to escape.
>>69879686
DEUS VULT will that's who
>>69879661
>>Voting to cut yourself out of the biggest, most powerful economy on the planet
Gee I wonder who's helping to keep that propped up
>>69879686
Ironically we could work with other countries to influence it more than if we stayed in
>>69879661
economy doesn't mean shit when living in a totalitarian state
>>69879686
The US and Britain will have to intervene as outside creditors in order to prop up the failing EU economy so that Putin's Russia does not swoop in. Better to be the creditor than the debtor, no?
>>69878605
Vote leave, the EU is undemocratic. People that you havn't elected make laws that affect you.
It is courting tyranny to give someone power without fear of reprisal.
>>69878605
I'm leaning towards leaving now but I fucking detest UKIP
>>69878605
Vote to leave.
It will hopefully cause a domino effect of other countries leaving, and ultimately cascade into destruction of the cancerous, globalist union that is the EU.
>>69878605
vote leave. it's better for everyone in the long run, even tho there will be problems in the UK at first, but things will settle.
>>69879888
>I'm leaning towards leaving now but I fucking detest UKIP
Don't let your views on UKIP get in the way of the bigger picture anon
>>69878605
Vote leave and send all my relatives who went to UK back, I miss them.
>>69878605
>leave eu
>end all social programs to resident aliens so they will flee to germany.
>offer jobs to qualified people of western european origin.
>put people in office that will repeal your fucked up laws.
MAKE GREAT BRITAIN GREAT AGAIN
>>69879888
UKIP won't become a majority party because we leave. People want out, but they also don't want UKIP and this is not a general election.
>>69878726
Don't make it a ring vs left issue you stupid cuck
>>69878605
Vote stay if you actually care about the white race
Economics matters much more than marginal demographics
>>69879661
Do you think we didn't trade with Europe pre-1973? Or that no one outside of the EU currently trades with them?
>tfw I support closer ties to the European people, but despise the EU institution
I'm voting to Leave but I'm slightly afraid it will ostracise us from the continent. What I actually oppose is the neoliberal agenda, not Europe itself. I travel on the continent all the time and have so many friends there
gollum knows.
>>69880222
>flag
>>69880342
Mate they hate us on the continent, they don't consider us Europeans at all.
>>69878605
If this doesn't convince you to leave nothing will:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N14U5ZE-N2w
>>69878928
>hurr Durr tell me how to vote because I'm too stupid to make my own decision
I highly doubt you're an intelligent person, university is not a sign of intellect, it's just a place everyone goes now.
>>69879840
You know the EP has elections, right? And that the EC consists of the democratically elected heads of state of the members?
>>69878605
Sorry but the Austrian guy you argued with is spot-on.
And you don't even have to be educated to know that when the numbers and arguments are 50/50 DESPITE all the EU shilling and blackmailing, the empty "but without EU there can be no peace" and "okay you get 1 million uneducated immigrants but at least you don't have to show your passport when you cross a border so you save 30 seconds" arguments - then you should know what to do.
Read these quotes by EU Juncker:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10967168/Jean-Claude-Junckers-most-outrageous-political-quotations.html
If after that you still think the EU is a democratic institution with your best interest in mind, you should kill yourself.
>>69879471
The whole money question is to lure you, elites have understood that the best way to scare people is the fear of recession.
It's irrelevant when you compare to the biggest threat of losing democracy and self-determination.
Look what Europe brought us since 1993 and Maastricht:
- massive illegal immigration
- incapacity to answer to crisis (either financial, military or migratory) because we are fucking paralyzed by Bruxelles
- no right to decide our economic politics (all sacrified on the altar of free market)
I have been raise as a pro-european, with a family crossed between Benelux, Deutschland and France and I identify as a european which means I'm a product of a 2000 years share from cultures and nations. the idea of "to end war between european" people was noble but it has been perverted by an oligarchy.
The Union is a fucking joke whose only goal is to replace our nation and legacy by some "diversity" agenda while deconstructing our glorious history and dilute democracy.
The overwhelming majority of Pol are against the EU. That should tell you everything you need to know.
>>69878605
Leave.
There's no reason you should give up even an inch of your sovereignty to foreign nations.
Also fix your cucked government.
>>69878605
Vote for "Leave", Europe is fucking bored of your cancerous country!
England is a cancer to anything it belongs to UK, common wealth, EU).
England is a fucking shithole, leave us!
>>69878605
>>69880741
>Mario Draghi has never been elected and has the most power in the EU, single-handedly crashing it for the sake of banks and socialist countries
>The EU has secret treaties that no citizen is allowed to even know of
>EU heads like Juncker openly say how they abuse the system and don't give a fuck what the people want
>EU says they accept memorandums when they suit them and ignore them when they don't; threaten to get the results they want; pay people to shill so they get the results they want
But the EU is democratic because the EP can vote on lightbulbs.
>>69880978
whoops, meant to say this is the kind of shit i see people posting
>>69880741
The European parliament has elections, and I do not get a vote on some of the candidates since other countries vote on them.
In other words my right to decide who will lead the people of my country is diluted by some fucking foreigner who most likely wants something entirely different than I do.
>>69880864
>I-it's not like I don't want you to be free and prosperous... b-baka.
>>69880741
The European Commission has to be about the least democratic elected body of officials which is commonly revered as "democratic".
Watch this video of Barroso:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgDWkVPLBns
>>69881039
>In other words my right to decide who will lead the people of my country is diluted by some fucking foreigner who most likely wants something entirely different than I do.
Yes but also the other way around
>>69881090
>Farage suit
>>69879830
I would rather outright colonise them, turning them into dominions.
>>69878605
Brexit please dear allies.
Quasi commie EU fucked up our economy with their quotas, portugal out means restored economy.
>>69881293
Greatest Ally, we will return and extend our hand to help you pull yourself up out the ashes of the crashed Post Brexit EU
>>69880991
>draghi
You don't elect the president of the German central bank either.
>>69881039
And if you live in Yorkshire, your vote on who runs England and thus Yorkshire is diluted by the vote of someone from Devon.
>>69880741
The Parliament has no power. The comission is the one that rules, and there are no elections for that. Nor for president of the EU. We have no say in shit. The parliament can only advise on proposals, which then have to be withdrawn for revision. They can do this only once. That's all the power the Parliament has.
>>69881582
Better have 1/46 000 000 of power than 0 shlomo.
>>69880978
I cant tell if this is a leftist pro-EU argument saying the EU helps lots of people, or if it's a right wing argument saying the EU are big government restricting people's freedom of choice.
>>69881932
First one.
>>69878605
Leave that shit hole, they are pretty much forcing you guys to let refugees in
>>69879888
Wasted trips
>>69881582
>yeah well I might have said it's democratic and I've been shown it's not but something else isn't democratic either so I win
Nice argument you retard.
Besides, our central bank actually sticks to their rules and doesn't secretly finance the government, unlike Draghi, who breaks the rules, justifies it when rules are broken, and can act free of consequences because of nice "democratic" elements like having bought the alliances of the socialist countries while those affected like Germany are unfortunately taking their democractic turnus break and can't vote this year, just too bad!
Who's paying you for shilling with this bullshit or are you actually retarded?
you guys can leave so fukkin do it
we cant and we are fucked, the only way is to wage war against the invaders
>>69878605
I don't know why you mentioned your university. Nor age. It's not relevant. I'm ex Newcastle uni and 48 years old. I spent nine years in the British Army as a combat infantryman.
I've seen and done stuff that would give you nightmares.
Voting out of EU is about sovereignty. I urge you to register to vote (if you haven't already).
And I wish you best wishes in your studies.
>>69878605
You wouldn't let Scotland have independance.
You won't let Ireland go.
Why should you be allowed to leave the EU?
>how does that subjugation feel?
>>69882829
Iraq or Afghan?
>>69882964
Damn let 'em leave for fuck sake! They're a fucking cancer to anything
>>69882964
>Scotland voted to Stay in the UK
>Ireland is literally an independent nation
Why are you yanks so fucking stupid
>>69882639
Now I know why they released the propaganda Panama papers out of Germany. You Vicks fall for anything.
Hell, in Texas we talk about civil war and stock guns, but were treated as equals in our capital. You EU bastards lick globalist boots willingly.
>>69878605
21 year old student at Lancaster university (have a nice time at Roses eh?)
Im voting to leave
>>69882964
We let Ireland go years ago, and Scotland had every opportunity to be "independent" (where that just means being subjugated harder by Brussels.) How is it our fault if the jocks voted to keep leeching from us?
>>69883407
Not sure what you're trying to say. I'm the one arguing against "EU bastards lick globalist boots willingly" while he's talking about what a democratic blessing the EU is.
Does every country want to leave the eu? Or is it just mostly us because we are an Island?
>>69884121
The sentiment has been growing here in continental Europe.
Eastern Europe is about ready to exit if it wasn't for the politicians wanting the EU gibs.
>>69883654
why must we be against one another
yes, i know, a lot of scottish people are stupidly nationalistic but we've worked together for a solid 300 years now and I'd say its mostly worked out pretty good. Now is not a time for us to be divided, Britain must stand together in our opposition of the EU.
If you have any concerns or problems with the EU and how it operates, at all, it's a reason to vote leave. The EU will *not* (and demonstrably does not) reform despite what the politicians and media say, every law is a step on the road to ever closer union, Junker outright said there can be no DEMOCRATIC alternative to European law, opt-outs and renegotiation change nothing or very little at best.
It's not all about money, all in all we'll probably be a bit worse off economically for the years following a brexit. But on the other hand those scaremongerers that claim it would put millions of Brits out of work are lying. Long term we have more to gain than to lose, indep
>>69878928
>What, educated adults being allowed to vote is a bad thing now?
You're not that well educated if you have to ask whether to leave or not.
If you want to vote morally then you have to vote out, currently most of the governance of the UK is out of our hands. The EU isn't even democratic.
The EU is basically just socialism on a global scale, all the countries buy into the EU and then we redistribute that wealth to the poor countries like greece or whoever we let in next, and again we have no control over that.
Just watch any debate with Farage on the EU, he always makes a great case for leaving.
>>69881467
"Greatest".
Pft. This has always been a one-way road where you benefit and we got to intimidate the Spanish once.
But yeah, man. I'd vote out and save your asses. UK is strong and should keep being strong.
>>69883028
Both. Also Kenya, Sri Lanka and other countries.
>>69878776
In?
>>69884222
In this country we don't really care about the freedom of movement because none of us can speak any other languages however places like Poland romania can speak a little bit of English so they can live in this country very easily compared to us living in Germany or France. Be in an English speaking country we can be taken advantage of well easier than any other country in the EU
>>69884222
Eastern Europe want to milk as much as possible from the West.
But if they wait too long they will be infiltrated by the same oligarchy we have now, and it is very dangerous.
Why ?
Because they will say: "Look ! Look around you ! How much EU was beneficial for us ! How our economy flourish" and the pleb will buy this shit, 20 years later there will be the sudden urge "to have diversity".
Eastern people are just the cuck of tomorow, I don't think they will learn the lesson before it is too late.
>>69884323
Scotland's problem is that they're not nationalistic enough. Or rather, the "nationalism" they have is defined by hatred for the English rather than love for their own country. It's telling that the Yes campaign specifically wanted to cosy up to the EU afterwards. They never cared about being independent, they only cared about thumbing their noses at Whitehall (which I can understand, but not at the cost of your own future)
Other than that petty bitter malice towards us, Scottish nationalism is dead. They keep voting for far-left parties to run us further into the ground, and they're too shielded from the consequences to realise their mistake. If Scotland left, we'd be free of a major source of cultural enrichment.
>>69884973
I kind of agree, but Scottish people very definitely love their country, but a lot of the nationalistic feeling does come from uncompromising dislike of the English for no reason other than "muh david cameron" at the moment. The SNP is not representative of the average Scotsman/woman's personal view, but the average Scotsman/woman doesn't do any fucking research at all. Other Scots tend to have an irritating amount of party loyalty, as if its a good thing.
i.e the SNP gave us free education a few years back, so they must always be good. It's not necessarily a subscription to leftist idealogies, but to the SNP's idealogies regardless of what they are.
When parties are taken out of the equation, and the politics is about something that resonates with Scots, there's a tendency towards the sensible option. We saw this in the referendum.
>>69882639
I never claimed the ECB was democratic.
>our central bank actually sticks to their rules
Rules set by the ECB ;^)
>>69884973
Thankfully common sense won out in the referendum. It baffles me that my fellow country men have a very right wing attitude but vote for some lefty meme party.
>>69879324
Alumni here, checking in to this thread. Graduated a few years ago, still living in York.
> Refugees Welcome banner on the Minster
cringe every time I walk past.
>>69885585
Please tell me you're getting paid for acting like this..
My entire point was that the EU fakes legitimacy by giving the EP power over pointless things like lightbulbs while the real decisions are made by people that are not democratically elected. So acting like the EU is democratic just because there are democratic elements at a point where they don't matter is just building up a strawman. It doesn't change that the EU in whole is not democratic and that you have undemocratic influence over your life if you choose to be part of the EU.
The very point the people who want to leave the EU are making. Why are you acting like a retard?
And your other point is wrong too. The national rules were there first and were given to the ECB, not the other way round. The ECB tried to abolish them as much as possible with secret treaties that allow secret government funding by national banks.
Jesus Christ..
>>69878605
>At Uni
>"I'm so fucking stupid i don't educate myself on the issue and think for myself"
This is why democracy is fucking stupid
Also - kill yourself OP
>>69880741
Basically everything that the parliament votes on is decided by the unelected commission. At least know what you're talking about before posting shit.
>>69878605
Stay, it'll fuck up the economy, dozens of economists and CEO's have said so. Immigration won't decline, it will just be pakis instead of polacks cuz the commonwealth meme
>>69886553
It'd be only half so bad if they didn't also have that delusion of superiority and not needing advice BECAUSE I GO TO UNIVERSITY.
>>69878605
Vote to stay.
t. Juncker.
>>69878605
>University of York
>On /pol
what is this?
>>69887866
EU please fuck off.
Keep your rapists and laws to yourself.
>>69878605
Last week Vice President of the EU made this speech - if this doesn't make your mind up about the threat these traitors are to the European people's nothing will
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi0hfcaW8NA
>>69878605
Don't you think Merkel and co need a big fuck you in the face?
>>69878605
Vote leave if you want the UK to be a part of the world. The only buisnessess that want to remain in the EU are those that have subsadies from the EU, which we can do anyway with the membership fee, or foreign interests that want to use us for their own ends. Do not trust organizations like the Bloomberg group to tell you if it's a good or bad idea: they have a vested interested to remain, and therefore no interests in what is good for Britain.
>>69888081
He's right tho, that is the future of humanity. The problem is right now they are doing a fucking shitty job of it and it's only being pushed in EU and NA and failing. He claims it's important we stick to our ideals, yet they import Allah Akbars and let them practice their barbarism that goes against all western ideals and against their own idea of diversity.
>>69879888
"only right wing people want to leave"
do not fall into the neatly made trap New Labour has made--those who truly want to represent the working class want to leave
>>69888081
*vice president of the european commission
OP, instead of getting your sources from /pol/, read as much as possible into the socioeconomic impacts of brexit from as many different places as you can. /pol/ and the typical tabloids are way too sentimental and often get basic factual shit wrong, as well as making unbiased claims such as 'we'll be great again once we leave' as if though boris johnson is going to go wrestle brussels to give us trade deals . I am pro brexit but I'm extremely wary of the negotiations since I don't trust anyone in the Tory or UKIP circles to be able to give us a decent deal. I think that rather than becoming Victoria's Empire 2.0 we'll end up back in the EEC and Free Movement will still apply since we'll bow down to retain freedom to provide services (which has so far proven to be extremely non-negotiable with Brussels).
>>69882829
Do they give you nightmares?
>>69879074
/thread
>>69878605
After reading this thread through I've come down on the side of European federalism and am going to vote to stay in. See you all at the polls
leave,
>>69889722
t. Abdul bin Rasheed al ISIS bin Jalil ibn Khalifa al Bacon Sandwich.
