when someone asks you your political beliefs, what do you tell them?
>>69853120
Paleocon
>>69853120
i'm straight
>>69853120
Centre-right
>>69853120
Minarchist Hawk
That I am a fascist.
When they look at me funny I remind them that they asked.
Luckily nobody ever asks.
it's been so long since anyone asked me something personal with any sincerity or genuine interest, so it matters absolutely fuck all what I say
The only logic choice.
That i support Trump. But i don't support his followers. at least not /pol/ i fucking hate you autists
>>69853325
>>69853120
DEUS VULT
>>69853120
I support the green party of canada
libertarian
no one is stupid enough to ask a question like that here outside of a rally
>>69853325
>tfw nobody is genuine, honest, or sincere anymore
>>69853120
I am too autistic to actually comment on political discussions in real life because id rather not talk then get into an argument where id have to talk a lot
I tell my coworkers I'm feeling the bern, but I'm actually a lowkey Trump supporter.
I just have a breakdown about a politician who "touched" me and no one ever asks again
>>69853342
I tell them I'm an anarchist.
I'm not but it's funny to see their reactions.
>>69853120
Here's a piece of wisdom handed down from a long time ago.
"Never discuss politics, religion or money with anyone you don't fully trust, Because you never know who has it and who don't"
>>69853120
"Right leaning" libertarian
but I'm actually a NatSoc
>>69853120
That I'm a member of the Peace & Freedom party. It's the socialist, feminist party of California and yup--that's my party.
>>69853253
This
It gives you plenty of cover, they will just think your political beliefs are boring and not want to talk about it anymore. Also they will fill in the blank of their own head of what makes you "center"-right. They'll think "he's probably in favor of gay marriage and shit but just wants lower taxes"
>>69853433
>anarchist
Lol that's funny.
Usually people who are "anarchists" are 15 year olds.
>conservative
>liberal
>moderate
Those are your three choices, if you respond with anything else you're just being obnoxious
INITIATION
>>69853120
white nationalist
>>69853120
I'd ask them to be more specific. Otherwise I tell them I'm a conservative and/or constitutionalist.
>>69853120
I say I'm conservative, and wait for them to keep the conversation going.
I just tell them I don't understand dick about politics and avoid confrontation and getting ostracized. I go to a hippie liberal animation school in big gay los angeles and networking is a big part of my success in the field.
It blows that I can't be honest because I have everything to lose.
Ireland for Ireland. Brits GTFO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrNSjItTfes
I don't like to label my views, but rather each issue individually
>>69853617
what school you at bro?
>tfw also liberal arts fag at L.A.
>>69853540
I remember when I was an edgy teen drawing "A"'s in a circle on desks and the side of buildings.
>>69853120
I usually say I'm a Conservative
If they inquire more so, I'll say out right I'm a Nationalist Neo-Reactionary. I don't want to seem like an attention seeking autist, but if they seriously want to know, I'll tell them, and I'll gladly argue with them at that point.
>>69853120
I say that I'm not interested in politics so much. It works most of the time.
>>69853120
Nationalist.
>>69853704
...
Desmond?
>>69853120
I say that I'm an American Nationalist.
They inevitably say that Nationalism is racist or xenophobic. But they don't know that I want them to say that.
Then I can explain to them that the American Identity is Civic, not Ethnic. That anyone can be American as long as they are patriotic/love America. And that we should be worried about what is best for Americans as a whole, not individual groups.
>>69853508
Kill yourself
The God's Honest Truth.
>>69853762
I'm an internationalist
white separatist
Libertarian.
>>69853120
couldn't give a fuck
>>69853703
>>69853617
sup fags. gotta say I'm glad to see more and more socalites on here
>>69853120
>hey anon what do you believe politically
>meh, nationalist and populist. But I've got some pretty extreme views
>mfw
>>69853774
Witnessed
>>69853120
anarcho-communist
>>69853843
People I associate with don't have to ask me since I always show my power level. 99% of my co-workers are on the same page as I am. My family also thinks the same as I do.
>>69853774
No it's Bob in Toronto
>I'm not telling you shit you dirty kike plant
>you can't handle the truth
Centrist. Everyone knows my political views and everyone asks me for them and what I believe because I study political science and I'm a debater. I've converted many sjws to reason and will continue it.
>>69853843
found the commie.
i politically identify as christian tribal anarchist my pronouns are me he and him.
I go on a rant about eugenics.
>>69853703
gnomon school of visual effects
FREE STUFF
>>69853120
That my beliefs transcend feeble minded political sides that are the same as religion.
>>69853120
FUCK MY DIRTY SHIT HOLE: THE MOVIE
>>69853120
The truth, libertarian.
>>69854054
Sounds like something a complete loser outcast would say.
>>69854029
I see, I'm a USC fag
>>69853867
there are a lot of us here, and many seem to be fellow trump bros
>>69853120
Nobody asks.
I would probably say "conservative" if they did though.
>>69853120
>silently stare at them until they realize im not going to answer and either skurry away or ask in a shrill voice if i've heard them
I'm an American nationalist and also a right-wing populist.
I tell them I'm slightly right of center, but that I agree with paleoconservatives on a lot of issues.
If they ask what issues, I say being against the Iraq war and immigration.
>>69854183
>Austrian Economics addresses manipulation of volume as the cause of the boom/bust cycle. But blames the State for this, instead of the Money Power. Ignores the wealth transfer from poor to rich through interest and tries to explain it away as a normal free market price for money.
>>Government is the main problem
>Austrian Economics is also incredibly ‘naive’ when it comes to private interests controlling markets. Austrian Economics will always explain Governments shouldn’t mess with the economy, while ignoring the monopolistic inclination of Capital.
https://recoveringaustrians.wordpress.com/deconstructing-austrian-economics/
https://recoveringaustrians.wordpress.com/top-ten-austrian-economic-lies-and-mistakes/
I just say republican, or that I hate politics. Both are sorta true.
>>69854218
USC is breddy gud. I was looking into them too but I didn't want to wait two years through the application process and I've been in and out so many shitty colleges that I don't even know what my GPA is. Gnomon doesn't give any fucks about the B you got in psych 101. They just want to know if you can draw and they let me know a week after I applied.
>>69854401
WOULD LLLOOOVVVEEE TO SUCK HER TITS, CLIT, CUNT AND ASS
>>69854712
>paleocon
REV UP THOSE WATER FILTERS. SUPER MALE VITALITY BACK IN STOCK FOR A LIMITED TIME. 9/11 WAS DONE BY REPTILIANS
>>69853120
Traditionalist
>>69853120
I say national socialist. 9/10 times they just think I'm socialist. The few who recognize what national socialism is usually are fine with national socialism already. To change it up I sometimes tell conservatives I'm a fascist, then make them feel bad for being so liberal. Favorite way to fuck with conservatives. When I'm really, really bored I pretend to a Bolshevik around progressives, and make them feel bad for being so conservative.
I've only ever functionally worked out as a Nietzschean, but there are a lot of inspirational thinkers throughout the right. I'm agnostic that fascism can work as a means to fight globalist ideologues like neoliberals and neocons, progs, etc. But I would become a fascist if it were a viable movement.
>>69853120
center-right
>tfw it's not true
>>69857003
>>69853120
>Libertarian
It's like telling someone your favorite movie is Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, they understand that you know a lot about it, and they don't quite agree, but they don't wanna hear about it and don't dislike you for it
>I believe agriculture was the worst mistake humans ever made as a species and that society is a cul-de-sac back to a desolate hunter-gatherer existence
Hitler minus the gun control and feminism.
>>69857573
Because they know you're autistic >>69854720
>>69853120
Can anyone explain to me what marxism is and what a marxist society would look like? Try as I might to research it, all I get is "workers own the means of production" bullshit over and over again with not much added onto it. What does that look like?
>>69853120
The game is rigged
>>69853405
>implying they ever were
I tell them I'm sort of a libertarian/constitutionalist mix. Dead center economically.
Nihilist ;^)
No one I know is so rude
>>69853120
Lol, I love David Cross. I love Arrested Development too. I saw him do stand up on my birthday. He and I took tequila birthday shots together and gave me a beer too. Real nice/cool guy.
>>69853120
How much time you got buddy?
>>69853120
FULLCOMMUNISM
i say i don't really care. i'll tend to talk about issues rather than broad ideas if anything
>>69857862
Why don't you try actually reading Marx you dingy.
>>69857862
Fucking canada. How can people even discuss on pol without knowing all the terms
>>69853120
I am the gnostic luciferian autocrat keeping you down.
>>69854054
are you a wizard?
>>69853546
please kys
>>69858302
tumblrina spotted
>>69857862
Marxism is a philosophy based around the ideal of the working class being the only class in society, for a good idea of what marxism looks like in progress I have added a picture. Note the lack of any remaining white people, and everyone starving to death naked in the open.
>>69858561
Just take one of everything above the sink and listen to witch house until you come down.
>>69853120
i believe that if you arent infringing on anyone elses rights or property, you should be free to do whatever you like
i also believe that everyone should be judged solely on the content of their character
if you put it that way, everyone agrees with libertarianism, even though they really dont
>>69857573
I've told people my favorite movie is star wars bc I didn't want to talk about it or have to explain anything.
>>69858634
>implying there are women on the internet
>not knowing the difference between SJW bourgeois liberalism and socialism
>reactionary mythology is mythological
>>69853120
Libertarian.
Then we have a normal politically themed conversation like two normal fucking adults.
>>69858942
If reactionary mythology isn't accurate to reality how come there is no such thing as a successful communist state anywhere ever?
>>69858751
what the fuck is piss pill and why do we keep needing more pills, jesus christ.
>>69853120
I don't have political ''beliefs'', only political knowledge
"Alt Right"
>>69853120
National Socialist.
Christian Conservative. Literally everyone around me doesn't give a shit. Even the sjw's and professors at my college which kind of dissapoints me in a way.
Tom Bombadil
>>69859108
There's no such thing as a communist state anywhere. Look up the definition - communism cannot be an authoritarian dictatorship with a centrally-planned economy. Communism is actually the opposite of that: a decentralized worker-owned economy in a stateless society. "Actually existing communist states" are actually just forms of state capitalism.
Next you'll refuse to accept the actual definition of communism given by actual socialist intellectuals and demand that we argue about the strawman version of socialism, which is just the Satan of American theological capitalism.
>>69859581
Okay, whatever fag.
>>69853120
Libertarian
>>69859170
>white pill detected
>>69859314
http://ropeculture.org/2015/12/28/why-the-alt-right-is-gay/
>>69859641
Yep, you'll always refuse to learn, no matter what. I wouldn't even mind if you disagreed with socialism after at least learning about it. It would be nice to hear an intelligent critique from a pro-capitalist American one day. But 99% of Americans seem absolutely resistant to class consciousness. Capitalism is your religion, and "you don't know economics" is your version of "read the Bible".
>>69859754
Did I hurt your precious fee fees by not being intimately familiar with yellow pill as a meme? I may be a dick, but it's only because you get a little smug when you know all the answers and rightfully so.
>>69860036
I actually do know about it, that is why I disagree, you're the one who seems to only have a working knowledge of the theory rather than the historical practice, fag.
>>69859108
Careful, the guy might have to try and make something up now that you gave him a clear cut question that only has one answer (protip: the answer is communism has never worked).
>>69853120
I just say I vote for the Liberal Party (centre-right)
Some of my friends think I'm a Nazi though
>>69860257
oh I know, and he did.
>>69859581
>>69859581
>Capitalist technology is bad and only hurts workers and makes them compete more
>Communist technology is good and only alleviates work for people
Literal dogshit picture you have their m8
>>69853120
I triggered a bunch of white law students when I admitted support for Trump. It was actually shocking that the memes are true.
>>69860070
Take more pills. It's the only way
>>69860128
>rather than the historical practice
Yep, here you go. If we continue this discussion you will show that my prediction was correct. All you can do is attack strawman socialism; you're unable to critique the aims and ideals of socialism.
It doesn't matter, I guess. America's chronic labor shortage (which ended in the 70's), access to abundant resources, and economic pre-eminence were the unique factors that allowed capitalism to survive for far longer than Marx predicted. But that's over now, and Americans are starting to feel the pain of real capitalism. It remains to be seen whether you can break out of your mythological fantasyland and see why your standard of living is actually disappearing or if you will succumb to the insanity of militant ultra-nationalist fascism. Your religious commitment to capitalism doesn't give me much hope.
>I actually do know about it, that is why I disagree
You don't appear to have any reasons at all.
I tell them whatever they want to hear
>>69860566
"Blah blah blah I am a communist faggot." - you
>>69853120
>libertarian
>radical
>theistic satanist
>>69860544
Yeah right, like if the spectrum was binary. It's more like colors you deepshit. A triangle
>>69860438
Would you rather make money for someone else, or work for a company you are a partial owner of?
Do you work harder, or lesser when you get offered stock options?
>>69853120
That I'm a cultural conservative that desires an aristocratic republic to replace the united states.
>>69860574
well played m8
>>69853120
Im a member of the trumphenriech
>>69860702
Yeah right, youre on the spectrum and nonbinary. It's more like surrender you shit. A frog
>>69860859
fucking mountain dew all over my keyboard from laughing while drinking, thanks dick.
>>69860438
Do you see why? Because workers in capitalism do not own the products of their labor; they are merely paid as little as the market will allow. Increased productivity creates unemployment (look around, don't just give me the old "jobs get magically created") and there is a natural antagonism between technology and labor in the capitalist system. Look how worried people are getting about the future of automation. And look how absurd and wasteful the capitalist system is - with higher productivity people are being forced to work harder and for longer hours - how does that make any sense at all?
On the other hand, socialism means that the people control the economy and it is used for their benefit - to meet their needs and build a better world in the long run. Technology is used to reduce the number of necessary working hours, but this will have no effect on the use of that technology to meet their material needs. Technology does what it's supposed to do - give us more free time to develop ourselves and live better lives.
Technology isn't different under socialism. The difference is that technology is used for the benefit of the people instead of to extract profit more efficiently. Socialism will lead to the intelligent use of technology and eliminate capitalism's antagonism between people and technological progress.
>>69860438
assuming the workers dont run the place into the ground... I definitely wouldn't trust any coworkers I would have to be in charge or I wouldn't trust putting anything into it.
Imagine if McDonalds was run by its workers... or Walmart.
>>69860703
Exactly.
You work harder when you reap the rewards of your labor. Glad we agree.
>>69860574
This.
Unless they're open to rational thinking, bypass the issue and get what you need out of the situation.
>>69853120
Trouth
>>69853617
What if everyone is a conservative but they're just too afraid to admit it? Liberalism is just an act everyone puts on out of fear of being outed and ostracized.
>>69853120
"I am socialist and nationalist"
>>69853120
Ancap. Debate me.
Libertarian. If they ask me any further, I just say anarcho capitalist.
I don't want to scream "ANARCHY REEEE" right off the bat, but if they ask I will tell.
>>69860645
>>69860999
Talk to any person that lived under socialism you retarded fuck. Just taste how miserable life can be under such regimes because those are regimes, there are no socialism without control and suppression of freedom
>>69861068
See that is short sighted, you can tell them whatever they want to hear, but in general if you disagree with them it's better to tear them down and publically humiliate them for their beliefs while keeping yours close to the vest.
>>69853120
I try to change the subject because politics are not polite conversation.
[spoiler]I'm a moderate liberal[/spoiler]
>>69861131
>Being that cuck
>>69860635
Well, I couldn't possibly ask for a better demonstration of the intellectual merits of your worldview, could I? Thank you very much.
>>69861023
wew theres a lot of typos in that wall of words
>>69861160
>Talk to any person that lived under socialism you retarded fuck.
Like who?
>>69853120
>i'm for whoever is telling the truth
nazi
>>69861196
Your world view already debunked itself 120 million times over last century, it doesn't require entertaining or debate anymore, you failed, move the fuck on son.
My politics are that if my family had not drilled for oil for decades, I would be putting necks in guillotines.
But, I'm doing great. And my kids will do great, and so will their kids.
So if people are content to let the deck keep getting stacked higher and higher against them, they fucking deserve it, and I don't care.
I have no respect for anybody who is politically aware and is neither well off, nor actively putting bullets into brainstems.
I don't give a fuck about listening to some retard who lives paycheque to paycheque when he feels like regurgitating the propaganda that's designed to keep him where he is.
white nationalist anarcho argarian neo capitalist argo egro nu-techno-democratarian
>>69861221
Talk to a Pole older than 25 years old
>>69861328
How many times have they just laughed nervously and said "oh ehehe cool." before changing the subject, and do you reward yourself with a cookie when they do, because you should.
antidisestablishmentarian
>>69861266
You see? I told you >>69859581
Doesn't it make you consider the weakness of your justifications for your worldview when you can't even confront your ideological opponents honestly? When you have to make up every excuse in the book to avoid confronting actual socialism?
>>69861172
Is there a problem with not saying ancap right away? I would, but people listen more to a Libertarian than the weird, wacky, crank ancap. Mostly so people don't scream "ROOOOAAAADDDSSSS" whenever I say something
If random I just say conservative. If pressed I say nationalist/far right.
>>69853120
Politically neutral and indifferent.
>>69861437
Nigga I already told you, you're wrong, get over it, I don't give a shit.
>>69853120
To fuck off
>>69853120
I get super technical. "Lockean-Burkean with a strong libertarian streak who favours free market capitalism." I vote Conservative but I dare not say that in these parts.
>>69861369
Stalinism is not socialism. Do you think the Soviet workers had control of their nation's capital? Do you think the Soviet Union had a democratic form of government? There are important historical reasons why the socialist revolution in Russia failed, but by the time Stalin took over, socialism was a thing of the past. The USSR was, after that point, a state capitalist nation.
"Classical liberal, like our founding fathers pretty much."
>>69861590
You are a faggot ass clown, and I hate you.
>>69861481
Yes, there is a problem. You be a social-democrat, social-liberal, minarchist or ancap and still be libertarian.
I usually just say "I'm on the right" and expound on that if they solicit it
>>69861196
>if you study, you can make a better world for people like that
How exactly would that work? I don't understand, are they implying that going to college means streets don't need to be cleaned?
>.......................
>>69861324
>drilled for oil for decades
Attaboy Jamal
>>69861662
True, it's mostly an insecurity problem on my end desu, I should probably be more descript when talking about political topics.
>>69861590
>muh very specific form of communism won't end in death and endless strife
>>69854054
Spot the neckbeard who's too chicken-shit to pick sides
>>69861512
But how would you possibly know for sure which one of us is wrong? You don't seem to want to know or understand anything, and your reaction to knowledge outside your ideology is to stick your fingers in your ears and shout "you're wrong! you're wrong!".
Exactly how do you think you are different from the religious traditionalist who believed that the world is round or that evolution is heresy because we were all created in seven days?
>>69860999
>>look around, don't just give me the old "jobs get magically created"
>implying new jobs are not constantly being created under capitalism
>implying the consumer tech industry existed 100 years ago
>with higher productivity people are being forced to work harder and for longer hours
Your delusional. Working conditions have drastically improved along with productivity. Instead of miners, farmers and loggers directly using their body for labor they now operate machines.
>On the other hand, socialism means that the people control the economy and it is used for their benefit - to meet their needs and build a better world in the long run.
And do practically nothing as they settle into their complacent lives. There is no reason to invent something, build large commercial buildings or produce something creative as there is no finical incentive in it. Your country will grow complacent and the financially motivated dirty capitalist will leave you behind in technological innovation as they historically always have.
Your the washed out losers of the world and you want to bring everyone down to your level. Socialism always has tendency to become abused and become something akin to Stalinism (hurr durr neva been tried befour).
I ask you, who gets to research things under socialism, who gets to be factory manager and make decisions about how you compete with the dirty capitalist economy next door? What traits qualifies a person to lead under such a system and who decides that?
No I reject your bullshit, found your own nation is you wish to live under such an oppressive and shitty form of government, but leave me and mine alone.
>>69861778
It's not that I don't want to know or understand anything, I know and understand everything you're saying, I understand and know that it is wrong.
>>69861590
So it was socialism just not democratic? Not your flavor of socialism. The state made a profit instead of diverting 100% back to the worker. It's as if you've skipped the most important chapter in arguing about communism for dummies. You're supposed to be happy to make money. After all, you'll be a card carrying party member, right smart guy?
>>69853342
>I'm glad you asked! As a matter of fact I'm a TRUE CONSERVATIVE.
>>69861747
I didn't define communism, Marx did. And no country on Earth has ever met that definition. They can call themselves communist, democratic, or republics, but it doesn't make it true. I can call myself the Emperor of China but I'm pretty sure there won't be any crowns arriving in the mail anytime soon.
I say National Socialist but if I feel comfortable around them, I just tell them I'm fascist.
>>69853930
fucking love garfield kart
>>69853882
OH GOD
>>69855082
h-hatesuck...
>>69861915
Lmao, stupid nazi does not even know the difference between fascists and nazis.
>>69853120
Economically left and socially right
Couldn't shitpost on 4chan under most regimes.
Fuck yeah Republic, democracy and free markets!
>>69853120
Folkhemssosse
What people fail to realise is that it means nationalist with socialist tendencies (or socialist with nationalist tendencies), or, gas the downsies, homosex, disabled, sapmi, while they go "so... social democrat right?"
>>69861887
if the attempted application of a political philosophy always ends in the same outcome, then maybe you are dumb and gay for asserting that anything else will come of it. For all that you support the philosophy behind it, the actual practice is uniformly implemented the same way and thus it can be accurately said that communism is a fuck up ideology for people who don't know their history or don't understand patterns of human behavior well enough to understand that what has come before will happen again under the same system, you are crazy, you want to keep running your failed ideological experiment despite already having a sound conceptualization of the inevitable consequences of it.
I tell them that it doesnt matter, big business and politicians own everything. Then I laugh slyly as they tell me how important their vote is.
>>69861869
>So it was socialism just not democratic?
No, it wasn't socialism at all, clearly. Things aren't of a kind because people say so regardless of facts; they are in a category because they meet a certain agreed-upon definition. The Soviet Union and all subsequent "communist" nations failed to meet any of the characteristics required by that definition. There are good historical reasons why this happened if you care to learn them, but nevertheless all of them have some form of state capitalism. They are not communist, socialist, democratic, or republics.
You do realize that "communist country" is an impossibility just on its own, right? A communist society has no state.
>>69862168
well everyone else agrees stalin was a commie and russia was communist, so where does that leave you cupcake?
>>69853120
I tell them I just blue myself.
Oy vey.
>>69859581
>Capitalism is essentially wasteful; commodities are produced because they can be sold, not because they're needed.
What difference does it make? Is money useless in this scenario?
>>69862074
>if the attempted application of a political philosophy always ends in the same outcome, then maybe you are dumb and gay for asserting that anything else will come of it.
Apply this statement to any other type of human achievement. Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? If we all followed that line of thinking we'd still be living in caves.
The thing about revolutionary ideas is that they usually fail many times before they succeed. And we have very good reasons to think capitalism will inevitably fail, that it poses a grave danger to the future of our civilization, and that socialism offers a much better alternative.
>>69862245
>well everyone else agrees stalin was a commie and russia was communist
Oblivious American consumers obsessed with their material possessions and possessed with a religious faith in capitalism don't technically count as "everyone".
>>69862356
yep, confirmed for dumb and gay. As for things that pose a grave danger to the future of civilization, look up marxism and get back to me. you dumb asshole.
>>69853120
>when someone asks you your political beliefs, what do you tell them?
that i'd rather not talk about it
>>69862168
>No, it wasn't socialism at all, clearly.
Go on
>Things aren't of a kind because people say so regardless of facts; they are in a category because they meet a certain agreed-upon definition.
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>The Soviet Union and all subsequent "communist" nations failed to meet any of the characteristics required by that definition.
>There are good historical reasons why this happened if you care to learn them, but nevertheless all of them have some form of state capitalism.
>They are not communist, socialist, democratic, or republics.
state capitalism is the only form of government ever tried? You're losing me quickfast
>You do realize that "communist country" is an impossibility just on its own, right? A communist society has no state.
Wew. What are you trying to tell us? What's the score here, what's next?
i just violently shit all over the floor
Neo-nazi capitalist
>>69862479
So because the agreed upon definition does not match your own, you're just going to go ahead and make up your own definition. Tumblr pls leave.
>>69860566
Look up New Harmony, Indiana, then come back and tell us communism works.
>>69862245
>>69862479
And in any case, truth isn't a majority opinion. In fact it seems rather common for most people in the world to be wrong or ignorant about a vast amount of true knowledge. Our beliefs don't make just automatically make things true.
>>69860566
>militant ultra-nationalist fascism
better than being a red
>>69862616
So originally you said that terms are defined by agreed upon definition, now truth isn't a majority opinion. Tumblr pls go and stay go.
Socialist
>>69861160
For once I am with the Frenchie
>>69862742
"Hitler"
yes, srs
I believe in a strong Memocracy.
>>69862542
I get that this must be confusing to you, but it makes perfect sense if you just think about it.
Here are the definitions of and explanations for capitalism, socialism, and communism. >>69859581
The Soviet Union never achieved socialism at all. They failed when Lenin decided that Russia, coming out of the most oppressive feudal regime in Europe, had no proletariat and that its people were not equipped to take control of the nation's capital. He decided that the state had to become the capitalist in order to industrialize the nation, create the proletariat, and then transition to socialism. However, like all forms of capitalism, it formed a corrupt ruling class that subverted the political aims of the nation (in this case, it was Stalin's state capitalist ruling class of party bureaucrats). That is why the Russian revolution failed to achieve socialism. Maybe it would have been impossible to achieve at that time, but those are the facts.
>state capitalism is the only form of government ever tried?
I never said that; this question makes no sense. We've been through many economic stages: agrarian, feudal, capitalist, and each of these have varying amounts of state and private control of economic matters. The Soviet Union was a state capitalist nation. The United States is primarily private capitalist, with some state control and welfare programs.
>A communist society has no state.
>Wew. What are you trying to tell us?
...the definition of communism?
>>69862356
>The thing about revolutionary ideas is that they usually fail many times before they succeed.
How many times does it need to fail before you admit it's a flawed economic doctrine from the get go? It directly opposes natural human behaviors and has historically leads up to being abused.
>And we have very good reasons to think capitalism will inevitably fail
And yet it continues to function and continues to uplift the lives of BILLIONS of people.
>and that socialism offers a much better alternative.
Yes, of course the socialist thinks so.
>>69863050
Agree with me or shut your cockholster pinko.
>>69862727
Definitions aren't the same as truth. Definitions and concepts are symbols whose relationships we can use to describe true facts about the world.
>>69863133
Hey, asshole, read this, agree, or shut the fuck up, I haven't ready any of your posts since you started blathering on about how russia wasn't communist anyway.
>>69863091
which political system got the first man into space?
Theocratic monarch white nationalist
>>69863200
The Erisians of atlantis.
>>69860999
Please kill yourself faggot. Wasted trips on a dumb-fuck 3edgy5me Socialist
>>69863200
Pre-white people Africa.
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>>69863190
I'm sure you haven't. A stubborn, anti-intellectual refusal to learn or to understand anything that threatens your chosen fantasy world are the hallmarks of proto-fascism. But I think it's good for everyone to see that modern capitalism's primary support is nothing but naked religious zealotry.
>>69853120
The truth. I don't go out of the way to tell people my politics, and if other people start talking politics I'll usually just stay out of it. But if someone asks me directly what my views are I won't sugarcoat it.
>>69863355
No no, shut up, or agree with me, those are your options pinko faggot.
>>69859581
>>69863200
Khaganate
>>69863355
Also as an aside I'd rather have a zealous desire for the truth over commie lies than be a gay nigger who wants to die of starvation under a system of non government involving a supposedly voluntary uniting of the worker class that cannot happen because nothing in human nature supports it on any level.
>>69853446
I've always gone with
"If you want to keep friends, never discuss religion or politics."
>>69853120
I'm a libertarian but I'd consider myself more of a republican than a democrat.
If they are confused I just give my stances on issues.
>pro abortion
>pro low taxes
>pro against illegal immigration
>pro guns
>>69853120
No one ever asks that.
>>69863516
If you have friends that can't tolerate others having differing political beliefs, then they're shitty friends.
>>69863587
I ask that, because I don't care about making new friends most of the time, people are, kinda fucking retarded, and it's more enjoyable to make fun of them for their beliefs than make a friend.
Better dead then red
>>69863052
>How many times does it need to fail before you admit it's a flawed economic doctrine from the get go?
No, that conclusion does not follow. That would be an inductive fallacy (I know how much /pol/ loves fallacies!) Certainly there are things that we should learn from every failure, and historical events should be carefully analyzed by every socialist.
>It directly opposes natural human behaviors
Capitalists seem to universally believe that their natures are innately fixed; usually by their animal natures (as there are so many closet Social Darwinists among you). But this is an astonishing claim - "human nature" is not affected by the organization of society itself? When we live in a society based on competition, winner-take-all, and radical individualism, we should not believe that mutually antagonistic, antisocial behaviors are the product of how we are actually living together?
There is something to "human nature", but I disagree that it has anything like the deterministic effect on people's behavior that you seem to claim it does. A person who lives in a cooperative society that provides the means for self-actualization will be well-adjusted and willing to work for the good of others. A person who lives in a dog-eat-dog society of cutthroat capitalist will be a snarling beast. Why should that be surprising?
>>69863803
No, shut the fuck up, I already told you knee grow.
>>69863646
It's a tasteless question. You come off as retarded for asking it. There are better ways to test someone.
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>>69863513
Behold the capitalist intellectual in top form. How could any intelligent person question the capitalist status quo after such compelling and well-reasoned arguments?
>>69863851
Taste is unimportant, in honesty, having fun at the expense of the flock is all that truly matters, because those who could be stopped to prevent the further degradation of the west sit in seats of unchallengeable power, and there are so few men remaining to oppose them, that it is better to fall on their most devout followers like rabid dogs and shout them down for your own amusement than it is to believe that there is a point to interacting with them beyond that.
People here don't but if I would be asked I would lie.
I can, honest to god, get fired for having the wrong political opinion because it would "break the workplaces values about tolerance".
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>>69859581
>Wages make no sense
>work is a condition you're in
>They failed when Lenin decided that Russia, coming out of the most oppressive feudal regime in Europe, had no proletariat and that its people were not equipped to take control of the nation's capital.
>like all forms of capitalism, it formed a corrupt ruling class that subverted the political aims of the nation (in this case, it was Stalin's state capitalist ruling class of party bureaucrats)
>Maybe it would have been impossible to achieve at that time
You sound like you don't believe in money. Are you fucking brain dead?
"I prefer to stay away from politics as much as I can" has gotten me through dealing with my degenerate ragtag group of a family for aslong as I can remember. They're all fucking drug addled white trash who are are more deplorable than niggers half the time
>>69863895
lol fag I already know you're too far gone to be worth trying to convince, do you know how? You're actually dumb enough to consider communism, even for an instant given it's track record, now kindly fuck off while the real people talk.
Apolitical with an extreme disdain for any and all politically active, then stare them down. Only happened twice, both people got the message and didn't push it further.
If i actually believe the person who is asking me is intellectually honest enough to listen to me despite disagreeing with my points, i'll tell them i'm a Nationalist then we can actually discuss our stances on different points rather than political allegiances.
I just say "classical liberal"
If questioned further I lay the Adam Smith rhetoric real thick and they give up fast because all they've ever read on the subject is history textbooks
Haven't been ostracized by neither the hyper-liberal Canadian community I loved in nor the patriotic reactionary in Russia
I just say "classical liberal"
If questioned further I lay the Adam Smith rhetoric real thick and they give up fast because all they've ever read on the subject is history textbooks
Haven't been ostracized by neither the hyper-liberal Canadian community I loved in nor the patriotic reactionary in Russia
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>>69864246
but how do you really feel
>>69864020
I don't know what it means to "not believe in money". I have some in my pocket; clearly it exists. What is it you're asking? Socialists are against wage labor, yes. The important idea is that in socialism, all enterprises and capital are owned by the people and are managed through some implementation of a democratic process (depending on the type of socialism we're talking about, and there are many).
The common factor in socialism is not getting rid of money, though. It's freeing the people from ruling classes by eliminating their power base - the private ownership of capital. From there we give the people the power to use the economy responsibly to benefit themselves and society instead of the capitalists.
Capitalism did have a place in history (even the Communist Manifesto speaks well of capitalism, if you care to read it). It's purpose is industrialization and the development of a nation's capital. But once this is achieved, we must transition to socialism. The only other alternative is the permanent corruption, chaos, and collapse that is an inevitable feature of capitalism. For proof, just look around at our world.
>>69864268
Exactly how I say. I'm a classics liberal, possibly with a few caviats
I tell people I'm voting for Hillary. Makes the Bernouts angry and they usually don't argue over Hillary.
I just side step the question because its not something that would get me any points with the people I work/live.
The single time I "defended" Trump I got hit with "YOUR A FUCKING ILLEGAL MALE" over and over again. Like, end of conversation. No facts.
>>69864347
So you vote for the shop manager? The foreman? Who gets to go off and make their own startup? If they aren't working they own nothing. You already said they won't be paid in wages, but rather, capital? Or the product? Or the fruits of their labour? Which they'll have a fuck of a time selling unless you suggest the entire working class price fixes and sells to a different country. Which doesn't exist? Because communists don't have countries?
>look around
I'm not dead. What the fuck are you on about?
>>69864634
it's okay man, you don't have to try and understand it, communism is not worth understanding, even the guy you're talking to probably grasps this unconsciously but being an edgy teenager who is mad that no one is paying his student loans he'll likely only come to terms with how dumb he's being many years from now if at all.
