Is it even possible for Trump to win against Hillary in a election? It seems everyone is against Trump. The media and the news constantly calling him a racist and /pol/acks seem to hate him now for his support of Israel and letting a Jew fuck his daughter. Is there any hope for Trump to win?
>>69848499
If he gets nominated and destroys Hillary in a debate he has a pretty good chance, I think...
I didn't think he could take down Jeb or Marco or Fiorina
Remember when everyone thought Hilldog vs Jeb was a no-brainer?
>>69848647
>If he gets nominated and destroys Hillary in a debate
Reminder that online polls aren't a legitimate measure of debate performance.
Neither is how long you talked over someone.
>>69848499
Yes. Not just possible, but practically guaranteed.
Hillary is in the process of being dragged to the lowest circle of hell by the army of skeletons in her closet.
>>69849472
This is /pol/. They are too busy jerking off into their MAGA hats because they saw some pedophilic anime porn that really got them aroused. They have no time for facts, only muh feels and muh god emperor.
>>69849472
>>69849684
Do you guys think Hillary is a good debater? Hell, bias aside, she has no charm, and awful voice, and really doesn't have much substance from what I've seen in her debates vs Sanders. Don't know why someone thinking Trump flooring Clinton in a debate is out of the realm of possibility.
>>69849976
>Do you guys think Hillary is a good debater
She doesn't have to be a good debater. She just has to know what she's talking about. Between that and Trump being an asshole, he'll do all the work for her.
I mean fuck, Trump couldn't win over an independent to save his life with his bullshit.
Hillary could be as boring as sleepy Carson and still waltz into the White House as long as independents don't think she'd pull out of NATO, outlaw abortion, or nuke the Middle East.
>>69849976
Hillary will be 100% prepared. She wants this worse than any candidate I can remeber and has had grade A campaign people surrounding her for a long time. I think she will beat Trump in the debates based on performance. Also the MSM will trip over itself trying to praise her regardless of what happens. Still, Trump just has so much damn ammunition that it's going to be a slugfest. Hillary is a mess.
>>69849976
Trump would just resort to memes and personal attacks and yell a lot and ramble on and on like he's done against everybody else.
This is not about Hillary's personality, this is about the fact that Trump does not have enough votes on a national level to win. His core demographic, white males, are fading away as a demographic entirely. He is too divisive, too controversial and too bombastic to appeal to many people outside of his core group. The edgy young women you see at his rallies and the few blacks/hispanics you see supporting him are outliers, the Internet just blows them out of proportion.
>>69848499
The more they try to discredit and attack Trump, the more support he'll get.
Happened with Obama against Romney.
Bernie supporters are being cucked, pic related, they probably will vote for Trump out of spite or not show up.
>>69850899
>Happened with Obama against Romney.
Oh yeah, because we all know how well that turned out for Romney.
>>69850684
Hillary is a waste.
>>69851514
That's what I meant, they kept trying to slam Obama as a Muslim and a socialist, comparing him to Osama Bin Laden and he ended up overtaking Romney.
People don't like getting bullshitted.
>>69848499
Trump will lose and take several thousand republicans down with him at the same time. He cannot be the nominee.
There will be thousands and thousands of republicans on the ballot. Trump will trigger an anti-trump turnout on the D side and they will vote for hillary and also Christmas tree D noms down the ballot and wipe out a lot of the party.
I hope they do like 30 debates
It's gonna yuge, Jerry. YUGE
>>69848499
Shit answer, but yes, its possible. Its gonna be goddamn hard tho. If Trump can keep his energy levels high, he can win.
Trump is done with. Like Perot, Buchanan, Ron Paul, and every other 'great white hype' over the last 30 years, their flaws are too great. Hillary will be president. Trump is NOT worth fighting a civil war over.
>>69852152
we need a civil war now more than ever
http://youtu.be/E8Fu-aK_83o
GO TRUMP
>Is there any hope for Trump to win?
First of all, OP, the Presidential race has not even begun yet. Republicans are ripping Republicans, Democrats are ripping Democrats, trying to get that nomination. In some cases it might be strategic for one party or the other to lay off the opposing party's candidate they'd prefer to run against.
That's why the Republicans are attacking Bernie Sanders and laying off Hillary - they want to run against her.
But the point is, none of these polls mean jackshit. It's WAY too early.
Even up to the day before Election Day, you can't tell much by the polls. I'll explain:
A person going about his daily business is required to play a certain game. He can have political opinions, even verbalize them, but those opinions are controlled by the people around him. Very few people really speak their mind about politics during the course of a given day.
But when a person walks into that voting booth, it's just him in there. All the discussion, all the pretense of professing to believe one thing while privately believing another, all the concealed prejudices that NEVER get talked about - all that is irrelevant now that the man is in the booth. Now he has to decide, who does he REALLY want to be President?
A lot of people in this country are sick of politicians. A lot of people agree with Donald Trump, but can never SAY they agree with Donald Trump because the people who surround them would ostracize them.
But when they get to the voting booth, they are going to remember: "Oh yeah, I am tired of Mexicans taking American jobs. I'm sick of my country pussy-footing around with ISIS. We really do have lopsided trade deals with other countries that need to be fixed. Maybe, just maybe, Trump is who he says he is. Oh well, nothing to lose either way."
And there's another vote for The Don.
I believe there are a huge number of Trump supporters in this country who won't be known until Nov. 4, 2016.
I'll be voting Hillary along with almost everyone else I know. Good luck with your embarrassing meme candidate who isn't even as good as Goldwater
>>69852328
We need real leader. Not a buffoon wannabe. If the U.S., a country of 325 million people, can't produce a leader who can see the political opportunity to exploit the base Trump has stirred up, then this country deserves to fail.
Likewise in Russia you'd think someone would rise up and challenge Putin. The lack of leadership worldwide is baffling really.
>>69852654
>I'll be voting Hillary along with almost everyone else I know.
Good luck selling crack on MLK Blvd tonight.
Trump will destroy Hillary
But Bernie's gonna win
>>69848499
As someone who hates Trump, albeit Hillary leads in the polls against Trump, she could also lose. Yes, Trump does very badly with women in general population, and doesn't do well with white men either. But Hillary is also a turn off candidate. And with the electoral process, Trump could win.
If you were to bet who will win, Hillary would be a safer bet but not that certain.
>>69851786
>Trump will trigger an anti-trump turnout on the D side
yeah because this is a proven strategy that worked so well against obama
Once Bernie is cucked the kids will go back to instagram and facebook. The faster he's gone the easier it'll be to just light her up. But if sanders somehow wins idk it'll be crazy here.
>>69852486
>But the point is, none of these polls mean jackshit. It's WAY too early.
Yeah, that rule doesn't actually apply when both presumed nominees have 99% name recognition nationally.
>>69848499
it will only take one debate-- one line.
Hillary has had it easy. He gonna destroy her.
>>69852654
Same
>>69851514
Sure
Trump is never going to beat Hillary. He is not a politician. People literally think he is a fascist. His goals are impractical. And he is a joke.
All your support is doing is pushing away real Republicans out of the primary and giving Hillary this election on a platter.
>>69853122
Sure totally
>Best political shit-talker in recent history, running on a platform in part of sticking it to Washington corruption.
>Vs the quintessential unlikable Washington gentry type, who's renting out public storage space because her closet ran out of room for skeletons
She's winning by a modest margin at best in some early polls and his campaign against her hasn't even really started yet. As soon as he starts giving her the proper Trump treatment she's going to absolutely tank.
Dems are going into this election cycle with no energy at all, with even primary voting rates eating shit. 8 years of Obama has them as deflated as the GOP was in the wake of the 'Dubya era. As long as the Washington RINOs don't do something colossally stupid like pull shady brokered-convention shenanigans to force an amnesty candidate down their voters' throats, they have this election in the bag.
>>69848499
www.primarymodel.com
read it and fuck off you shill faggot
>>69851786
One can only hope.
>>69852654
Lol have fun being a cuck
>there are people voting for hillary
>anywhere
>ever
Will she be the first president to lead the country from prison?
>>69852737
If people are stupid enough to dislike Putin and Trump then Id be happy when they get cancer
>>69853859
It's important that she not go to prison until Obama is over. Otherwise, he'll just commute her out.
>>69853778
One can hope trump will make being left wing illegal
>>69852328
You already have Putin-sama.
>>69853609
>People literally think he is a fascist
only retards
Daily reminder that /pol/ is flooded with shills with fresh orders to get us considering supporting anyone other than Trump because he had the first bad week of his campaign. Keep the energy high lads.
I really do hope he decimated her in all the debates. I think it will take that for people to come around... The polls look pretty bad right now but
>muh God Emperor
As the canacuck said. I have faith.
>>69853990
Get this grinch outta here! GET EM OUT!
>>69853971
You are so stupid
you should be asking if Hillary can beat Trump
>>69853460
this guy gets it.
if everyone is against trump. I am now double commited to him
>>69853682
>As soon as he starts giving her the proper Trump treatment she's going to absolutely tank.
Hillary's got too many skeletons in her closet to be President.
Looking for a reason not to vote for Hillary?
How about the fact that she's almost certainly been complicit in multiple murders (pic related)?
If that doesn't work, how about the fact that she intentionally circumvented government security measures for e-mail as Secretary of State, then unashamedly deleted 30,000 of the compromised e-mails before they could be investigated?
Still no gut reaction that Hillary's not Presidential material? What about Benghazi? Sidney Blumenthal? Whitewater? Foggy Bottom? The Clinton Foundation? Troopergate? Paula Jones? Juanita Broadrick?
I can tell you one person who knows everything about every one of the above-mentioned Clinton scandals. His name is Donald Trump, and he is chomping at the bit to get his teeth into Hillary Clinton in the general election.
>>69848647
debate performance in general elections dont matter.
basically the media always says the dems win.
romeny absolutely destroyed obama in a debate. and all the media had to say is that he has to at least put up a fight, and so in the next one he talked more and so they said he won
so doesnt matter
what will matter is if hillary gets indicted.
of course obama could parden her
>>69854098
>>69850900
You're right I would vote for trump
>>69854665
In all fairness, I could very much see myself voting for Bernie if that's the only other option. Although I've never seriously thought the DNC would let him do it.
We're living in strange times, though.
>>69852654
Fuck that corrupt power hungry queen chuck. I hope her name shows up in Panama. She gets money from the goat fucker royal family
>>69852877
I hope to god man
>>69852152
There's one difference in Donald Trump and Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, and Ron Paul.
Trump is almost certainly going to win the Republican nomination and actually run for President. None of your false-dichotomy "great white hypes" made it past the primaries.
>>69851786
>He cannot be the nominee.
It's a little late in the game to still be stuck in the Denial stage, senpai. Even the slowpokes have clearly moved on to Anger at this point.
>>69852152
>Comparing an eminent front-runner who already has more than half the delegates he needs to seal the nomination to a bunch of non-starters like Ron Paul.
Fucking kek.
Either way this election it will be a close one.
Hillary has the major states (cali. new York, illin)
Trump has everything else.
>>69854222
If everyone was against jumping off bridges would you do that?
>>69848499
No, I can't believe you cucks haven't realized that trump already lost.
>>69856438
I'm not entirely sure you understand how states vote.
Hillary starts with a 56 delegate lead and can basically win the election by winning Florida cause it's worth 6 more delegates than she needs.
>>69848499
Watch this clip and tell me about Shillary.
http://youtu.be/dC4Pvm6Oj4A
>>69856646
>I can't believe you cucks haven't realized that trump already lost.
Wow, the same lie the Liberal Media is trying to propagate.
Off with you, knave.
>>69852737
Putin enprisons candidates that come against him.
If Trump can manage to study the positions on his website instead of winging it like an idiot, I think he can pull this off. His actual, written policies are pretty good, he just talks off the cuff too much. Hillary is one of the most unlikeable and obviously craven politicians ever, and I think Trump has a better chance than any of the other faggots the RNC had running.
>>69849377
pretty much this.
almost anything is possible. even kasich might get the nomination for some fucked up reason and hillary might go to jail.
>>69849684
it's not preposterous that trump and hillary will debate
>>69850790
>white males are fading away as a demographic entity
For the Democratic Party, yes. They're in the process of permanently losing the white vote, which at the moment means GAME OVER for them.
When Trump deports all of their imported voters and puts an end to their voter fraud, the Democrats won't win an election ever again.
>>69854408
this.
>>69850790
where are you getting this from? CBC? le weed man? your loser stoner friends?
>>69852152
>Trump is not worth fighting a civil war over
Trump is the only one that I can honestly see averting the impending civil war. We won't hit 2020 without a collapse unless he's in charge, and even that might not be enough to save us.
>>69852328
Hey weev.
>>69849684
>>69857318
WTF are you pathetic hoopleheads even talking about?
>it's not preposterous that trump and hillary will debate
Of course they will fucking debate, you beer-swilling buffoon, the two party's candidates always debate.
If you weren't a fucking Canadian trying to make a show of discussing American politics on an American image board, you wouldn't embarrass yourself by stating common knowledge as if it were some kind of savvy political insight.
All polls show Trump losing to Hillary so no.
>>69853990
why on earth do you think your board is important enough for shills?
traffic on 4chan is mostly people <=25, which is a demographic that is absolutely dominated by liberals. You all are a small minority of white men who think the correct answer to the extreme leftism in the media is extreme rightism.
But most importantly, /pol/ is a MINORITY. Shilling you guys is a waste of time - why bother turning x% liberal rate into x+.05% (where x>>>>>>50%)? Shills would rather be shilling bernie supporters into supporting the queen of shills. See NYT and Onion for great examples.
>>69857311
>If Trump can manage to study the positions on his website instead of winging it like an idiot
He has 5 policies on his website last I checked.
I've read one (trade) and it's as consistent as his position on abortion.
You can't say you are simultaneously for both free AND fair trade no matter how much Trump wants to.
>>69857793
He's only down 11 points, he could swing it (spoiler: he can't swing it)
>>69850790
>trump will just use the tactics that have worked every time in the past, he has no hope!
>>69853990
Trump didn't even have a bad week. It's just the first week when the entire Establishment was finally united against him. And he finished strong today with 20 pt margin in PA and 30 pt margin in NY in the latest YouGov poll.
>>69857970
>hur dur establishment
Nah bro it was all Trump. He tanked himself this week. Establishment didn't a damn thing.
>>69857793
>I don't understand how polls work the post
>>69858031
Are you talking about this past week when the establishment spent approximately 50% of all air time trying to stump him on abortion?
It's obviously an effective tactic to appeal to the cultists, considering things like Iowa and Utah.
>>69858031
Tanked how? Because the media said? What did he lose this week? The polls in which he is losing wisconsin were all conducted before this week. Do you believe everything you read and see on tv?
>>69848499
Trump is winning and hasn't even gotten started on Hillary
Attacking her too much this early in the election poses a risk to him and no benefits.
Trump paces his stumping so the media doesn't accuse him of "too much namecalling" Historically people prefer the "nicer" candidate.
Hillary being a criminal will come out in due time.
>>69857715
>American image board
>>69857884
It's 6.
>You can't say you are simultaneously for both free AND fair trade no matter how much Trump wants to.
Dude, he's running in the Republican party, he has to say he's "Free-trade". I agree with you actually, but "Fair trade, not free trade" sounds really good as a soundbite and that's all that will matter in the election. My point was that he needs to polish his points a bit and get some details into his speeches/interviews.
>>69858314
Panama
>>69857878
First of all, I am personally aware that there are definitely shills on /pol/ - I even know two of them personally, they both work for Georgia-Pacific and I've seen an inter-company memo encouraging select employees (the more literate ones) to "log onto" sites like "reddit and 4chan selling conservative ideals and values."
Are these guys paid shills? Not exactly, but they have been encouraged by management to surf certain websites during work hours, pushing a Koch brothers agenda, during which time they are obviously not doing their actual jobs - so yes, paid shills it is.
Also, I think you'd be very surprised indeed to find out how many adults >25 are here. Now.
>>69852877
fk off berncuck
>>69858314
Top kek
Trump can't shut up about Hillary.
Meanwhile Hilary is so busy fighting Bernie that she hardly ever talks about Trump unless he says something so fucking stupid she would be crazy not to talk about it.
Basically Hillary hasn't started on Trump and shes winning. Tells you pretty much all you need to know.
You Trumpfags should be happy. If Bernie was winning you'd be toast. With Hillary you have a fighting chance to win.
>>69854616
>debate performance in general elections dont matter.
Hoo-boy, you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Are you just using a US-based proxy to mask how oblivious you are to American politics?
>romeny absolutely destroyed obama in a debate
"A" debate. Not "the" debate. Romney had the first one handed to him because Obama was sleepy and/or high. The second and third ones he mopped the floor with him.
>so doesnt matter
Again, Mondale v. Reagan, Kennedy v. Nixon. Take your pick.
In the meantime, please kindly fuck off, /pol/ is for high-level political discussion. If you can't fathom an argument without any kind of evidence to show for it, you're better off leaving your shit in /r/politics.
Regards,
/pol/
>>69858696
>Trump can't shut up about Hillary
So that's why he has been attacking her the past 2 weeks and kept calling her Lyin'Ted
>>69848499
Well Hillary is fucked since those emails got leaked to public and FBI obtaining them, and not to mention her and Bill are being sued for voter fraud in Massachusetts. Bitch should just drop out of the campaign already.
>>69858696
Hillary =liability
Trump has to be smart about what he says but he has so much ammo (angry Bernie supporters) that Hillary would regret running
>>69859050
Bernie bros aren't going to vote Trump just because they hate Hillary you dumb fuck. Bernie already confirmed he will endorse Hillary for the good of the party if he loses.
>>69858696
>Trump can't shut up about Hillary.
Actually, it's usually Hillary who starts it. Here's Trump's RESPONSE to Hillary blatantly calling him a racist a few weeks ago:
"Failing candidate Hillary Clinton, who is desperately trying to hold on to her lead in the democratic primary against Bernie Sanders, is knowingly putting out lies about my stance on illegal immigration. I said “Mexico is sending”— I’m not knocking immigration or immigrants, but rather am very critical of the country of Mexico for sending us people that they don’t want. Likewise I am very critical of illegal immigration and the tremendous problems including crime, which it causes.
She is desperate, she is sad, and she is obviously very nervous when she has to revert to issues that have already been settled given the absolute accuracy of my statement. She speaks about 'my tone' and that’s the problem with our country’s leaders. They are more worried about tone than results! It’s not about being nice— it’s about being competent.
Hillary should spend more time producing her illegally hidden emails and less time trying to obfuscate a statement by me that is totally clear and obviously very much accepted by the public as true. I am honored, however, that she is attacking me, instead of Jeb Bush. Obviously she knows that JEB is no longer her real competition. The last person she wants to face is Donald Trump."
So you know, call it like you see it. But I'd take off those blinders first if I were you.
It would be the easiest general election since Washington got elected. Trump still has to demolish his rivals and break the GOPes spine forevermore before he starts on Hillary.
That's when you see the magic. You can already see it happening at the rallies. The great pivot point. So many people refuse to watch anything he does, but everybody will see, and their minds will switch, as he goes from rabid literally Hitler to benevolent man of steel. The only reason we haven't given him the election early is because some people are literally terrified that he'll have right wing death squads marching in the streets on his inauguration day, and they don't realize he wants to help make them great too, they refuse to listen to the man himself. But he'll get his captive audience, and they will know.
>>69851625
Hillary is BIG FAT MISTAKE
>>69859154
By this point Hillary has jaded a lot of Bernie supporters and they will either not vote at all or vote for Trump. Watch Susan Sarandon interview on CNN. My argument in a nutshell. U also disregarded my comment, if trump is smart and says the right thing(s) (like saying u know maybe private prisons are not what America needs) he can leapfrog cuck queen Clinton
>>69859680
>By this point Hillary has jaded a lot of Bernie supporters and they will either not vote at all or vote for Trump.
Nope. Bernie is fattening up the young voters. Once he loses and he says to support Hillary to defeat the big bad Trump they will listen.
Also people fucking LOVE private prisons. More room for niggers and low lives. Not sure what you mean with that shit.
>>69851625
>>69850684
Hillary is a mistake.
>>69858232
>>69856646
>>69857793
Do people really think Hillary would beat Trump in a head to head fight for the presidency? I really want to fuckin know... is it bait?!?!
>>69852654
if it's not close I'll vote Johnson but otherwise I'm voting Hillary. Also I'm voting Kirk out in Illinois if it's close so Trump has less power with nominations.
>>69848499
>4chan
once trump loses the mass hysteria that will hit pol will be entertaining
"da media!" da joows!"
your tears will be delicious
>>69852654
Why in the world would you vote for Hillary though
what kind of person can do this in good conscience
Do you people really hate America so much?
>>69859820
Hillary is fat.
>>69848499
anyone can beat hillary except for lyin ted
>>69859821
Yes you fucking leaf.
>>69857153
I can't believe she said nigger on television.. wtf
>>69849684
oh wow, a Canadian doesn't want us to elect a based white male who knows what a shit show politics is? I bet you hate the way his team have basically deconstructed the horse and pony show. not only is he openly subverting it, he is also actively cooptING the aspects of facism and propaganda needed to actually win against the entrenched party structure. we are soooo stupid and totally don't see the game being played at all
>>69859880
Yeah, it will be just like when Ron Paul lost. We never recovered from that one.
(Protip: Ron Who?)
>>69848499
Hillary supporters are just uninformed
Nobody likes joker-mouth that much.
When the time is right, we expose Shillary.
>>69860068
>muh predictions based on previous elections with different candidates
Trump is going to turn NY at the current rate, we only lose if we surrender and relent.
>>69859791
Ok u wannabe Aryan, ur bias is showing
These young cucks don't want private prisons, they dont want student debt, etch etc.
If trump is willing to throw a bone at them then some (I'm not saying all) Bernie supporters will be willing to vote trump based off how smug Hillary is and how corrupt the DNC establishment has been. Others have their hopes to high up on Bernie they will rather not vote at all as a form of protest. Bernie fucked up the democrats narrative to the point that even he says go support Clinton most of his people will be like "puck that"
>>69860559
Trump Rally at MSG amirite?
