This guy actually has some good points about defeating radical Islam by supporting moderates in order to hasten a Muslim enlightenment and to modernize the religion so that it can fit into Western society. It is obvious we can't defeat them militarily, we have to defeat them ideologically, and he talks about how we can do that, especially in the face of the regressive left.
He only has 17 subscribers, and he has some good videos. Show him some love, /pol/.
Pic Unrelated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmLtfTp2hh4
He has a good video on Cultural Marxism. We need to support content creators like this.
>>69847302
>>69847702
There is no need to pretend you're not just submitting your own videos. It's okay if you're the owner you can tell us.
>>69847302
>so that it can fit into Western society
Muslims can not fit in civilized countries and even if they could why would you want foreign filth in your country? You are the problem.
And we know it's you advertising your own videos
>>69847928
>>69848320
But they are already here, you have to be realistic. And not all Muslims are foreigners. They convert a lot of people. Better that those people don't have fundamentalist views.
And no, the guy in the video lives in Israel I believe. I am white and I live in the US. Is it so hard to believe that someone on /pol/ could see someone working hard to spread a message that is on our side and encourage him? You can read my comment on the first vid i posted where I criticize him. But at least he is doing something.
>Obvious that we can't defeat them militarily
Buddy, we could have every single muslim in the WORLD(1.6 Billion or so) dead within a decade if we tried
Don't give me that bullshit, even without nuclear arms we can kill all of those stone age goat herders using AKs from the 60s
>>69847302
How much does a Lincoln in DaliVision print go for these days? I inherited one from my grandmother.
>>69849587
I think WWII kind of showed that killing children mentally fucks up troops.
>>69848320
le there are no moderate Muslims maymay
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/26/muslim-shopkeeper-murdered-in-suspected-religiously-prejudiced-a/
But you would rather reinforce the narrative told by ISIS and other fanatics right?
Because you hate them so much you play right into there hands?
Fuck off.
Yeah supporting "moderates" has worked well in Syria et al.
Implying they actually exist is a fucking kek in and unto itself.
Yes we need them to fit in western society.
>>69849833
Nowadays we don't even need men to do it, we can just drone strike every living thing within the borders of muslim countries
Shit man, the military could just make a super badass "Drone Sim" and set it loose in those countries, and fucking normies will kill all of the muslims without even realizing it
Holy fuck that made me kek just writing it, someone needs to do this
Spread it on facebook, cover up the results for a month or so via media blackouts in the middle east, and millions of gamers will have eradicated the entire Islamic world
FUND IT
>>69850748
The tools that run ISIS get wood killing children too...
>>69850234
Yeah man, you get it. This was exactly the point that he made in the video, and I think it is a very good one that doesn't get talked about enough. That type of divisiveness IS playing right into the jihadists hands. What we really need to do is to assimilate them into our culture by encouraging them give up their more radical beliefs, the way other religions have. The idots in this thread saying we can kill them all don't get it. ITS A FUCKING RELIGION YOU TARDS. It isn't a country or a race, it's an idea. And you can't defeat an idea with force.
>>69851399
The true redpill is realizing these fucks always win by pretending to be in opposition and actually, by design or blind luck, acting in concert...
>>69850234
Ahmadi muslims are a particular sect of muslims that don't believe in jihad and popped up in the 1800s which are routinely killed and discriminated against by the rest. If anything the story of Ahmadi muslims tells us not to underestimate muslims violence because it shows what happens to the actual moderate voices.
>>69852463
Yeah Alawites and Shia tend to have different ideas of religious tolerance to wahabi/salafists as well.
What it shows is that anyone trying to present a tolerant face to Islam is a greater enemy to Islamists than westerners are.
Especially westerners who reinforce the Islamist narrative.
>>69852748
Exactly. They are more afraid of losing their ability to control people than they are of anything. If we can win the hearts and minds of the moderates, that will be where our path to victory starts.
muslims are a boy with rocks shelling the dog that is the west, and when we bite we will only give them stitches.
>>69853256
What you do not understand is that there are no Muslim moderates, because Islam itself is an ideology with a theocratic political component. Anywhere that Islam is seriously practiced, the religion will become what you call radical and what everyone else calls Islam.
This is a religion that stones women and homosexuals and casually murders apostates. This isn't terrorist organizations, that is the LAW in many mainstream Muslim countries.
The idea of modernizing such a sect, when it has nothing but momentum, is ridiculous. Especially since, in Christianity, when people start going lax [that is, modernizing] the Christians who cry and pray for them. When Muslims start going lax, lax Muslims start getting flayed.
>>69854102
>Muslim guy stomped to death for expressing tolerant views, including a love of the 'christian nation' and a love of western tolerance/politics/culture
>lelelelel there is no such thing as moderate muslims
>muslims are a single sect
Seriously? How do you remember to breathe?
>>69855032
Your first sentence I don't know what you're referring to. To the rest, you misunderstood my point.
I'm not saying there is literally no Muslim moderates, I am saying that Islam by nature radicalizes.
>>69849449
Doesn't matter the new reality should be getting them to leave not stay.
>>69855349
If Islam inherently radicalizes, how are there non-extreme yet committed Muslims?
Your point was misunderstood becasue it makes no sense outside of how you feel about it...
>>69850234
The moderates are always the weak. This is why Islam never changed and you think the weak state of the west will help them dont make me laugh.
>>69847302
does anyone have the giant info graph explaining "moderate" Islam
>>69855349
As for the first sentence, it doesn't surprise me.
Here is the link again...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/26/muslim-shopkeeper-murdered-in-suspected-religiously-prejudiced-a/
>>69855563
But Islam has changed, in many ways and in many different directions. Understanding Islam as a single monolithic unchanging entity is full on retarded and indicates you do not have the first idea about sectarianism within Islam or the way different Muslims interpret their religion.
If you say ISIS is the only 'real' representation of Islam, you are helping them craft a narrative about them being the only legitimate Muslims.
Bringing up Islam on /pol is like giving Bill Cosby roofies. Chaos ensues and your ass is split in hal
>>69855512
I'm not going to argue theology with you, history provides plenty of empirical proof. The first thing Muhammad did upon founding Islam was conquer the Arabian peninsula. Over the next 400 years his followers conquered most of the middle east, all of north africa, parts of asia, and Spain. They made several attempted invasions into France, raided Rome, conquered Constantinople, and made numerous other failed advances.
This history of violent conquest in the name of a theocratic state did not end with the Crusades, it continued for many centuries. When ISIS claims to be the true interpretation of Islam, that is, the same that Muhammad followed, they are right. What you are essentially saying, is that it is possible to turn a religion founded on violent conquest into a modernized neutered faith, which I really do not believe for a moment is possible.
This is an empirical fact, Islam is a religion FOUNDED upon religious jihad. And clearly they have no changed in the last 1400 years.
As for your "Non-extreme but commited Muslims" they are the minority of the minority. Over 50% of British Muslims support violence in the name of Islam, and 25% have a favorable view of ISIS.
These people have different values than us, and their history bears that out.
>>69855512
>how are there non-extreme yet committed Muslims?
there are none. they just hide it. read up on taqiya. the only god muslim is a dead muslim. now go fuck off, faggot
>>69849833
Only if you think about it. Otherwise it's just another dead afghan or Iraqi.
>>69849449
>But they are already here
And they need to get out.
>And not all Muslims are foreigners. They convert a lot of people.
Converts are traitors are should hung as befits traitors.
>>69847702
Cultural Marxism isn't real. It's a discredited conspiracy theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory
>>69856507
1. The amount of influence the Frankfurt school had is debatable.
2. The main point of "Cultural Marxism" isn't a particular event or influence, its a playbook for the political left. The Left tends to interpret social ills through the lens of a Marxist dialectic, viewing all such ills as a conflict between an oppressor who can do no right, and an oppressed who can do no wrong.
The term "cultural marxism" also explains the tendency of the left to suppress free speech and free association in the name of social engineering. It is called Cultural Marxism because it applies the Marxist playbook to cultural matters instead of economic matters.
>>69847302
>Joining the intellectual awakening on YouTube.
>Subscription to Real Time With Bill Maher
Pick One
>>69856203
Bruh, we don't have to do theology or history, its clear you do not understand either.
Basic fucking logic tells you that 1 billion plus people, who are involved in several wars with their coreligionists over religion, do not have a universal understanding of their faith.
I am not saying these people have the same ideas as us, or that there aren't incompatibilities with Islamist thought and modern secular democracy.
>Over 50% of British Muslims support violence in the name of Islam, and 25% have a favorable view of ISIS.
[Citation required]
And it STILL isn't even a majority, let alone a universal position.
You are actually fucking retarded if you cannot understand basic logic and stats.
>>69856314
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/26/muslim-shopkeeper-murdered-in-suspected-religiously-prejudiced-a/
Read a fucking link you franco-nigger
>>69856741
[citation needed]
>>69856926
1. Its not a matter of a universal understanding, the primary arguments over theology in modern Islam are over iconoclasm and whether ISIS has the authority to create a caliphate, it has nothing to do with the legitimacy of western jihad. By all means let them continue debating religious trifles, when the religion as a whole is still a violent mess.
2. Just because there is one billion plus Muslims doesn't mean there would be one billion plus terrorists. Anymore than a billion Christians means a billion missionaries. These people have lives you know. The point is, on principle, the majority of these people support these ideas or can easily be radicalized to support them
It doesn't matter if you cry "basic logic" when simple history tells you you are wrong about how Islam operates. Learn to empirical data.
>>69856743
The guy is a liberal, though. The Ben Affleck getting BTFO was by Maher with Sam Harris.
>>69847302
RACE WAR NOW
>>69857088
The fuck do you mean 'citation needed', its a fucking term. It means whatever people agree by consensus it means. And the term "Cultural Marxism" refers to using Marxist ideology as applied to culture. Its in the god damn name.
>>69847302
The Muslims religion is of a different nature and there can't possibly be a "reformation" of any kind. Anyone who says otherwise is lazy and doesn't know about what Muslims believe
Fundamentalist islam is what is going to save Europe from American degeneracy. America have destroyed European culture, made it degenerate, feminine and soft.
"Moderate" muslims are literally the same as any other atheist, they embrace degeneracy. Do you want to be ruled by some porn producing gender fluid idiot? That is what you get if the atheist/christian road continues. "Moderate" muslims are just like modern christians, pretty much just regular atheists so they will just drag Europe into even more American degeneracy until everyone has gay sex in the streets.
>>69857144
I have a degree in this stuff shitlord.
Hezbollah denounced the charlie hebdo attacks, as did the Arab league and half a dozen other Muslim groups.
>It doesn't matter if you cry "basic logic" when simple history tells you you are wrong about how Islam operates. Learn to empirical data.
It wasn't a cry, it was a call to keep up. I have seen the history and empirics, in a greater depth than you and this is what my investigations have told me.
You haven't.
>>69857354
>>69857354
> I am going to make broad generalizations about significant amount pf the wolds population, but if you don't immediately adopt my reductionist retardation its becasue YOU are the lazy one...
kek.
>>69857263
Give me an example sourced evidence of an organized campaign of Cultural Marxism. A reliable source, not some stormfront bullshit.
The wiki article has many sources which prove that the concept of "cultural marxism" is a fabrication of the right.
>>69857455
Oh a "degree" I'm so fucking impressed that your degree changes the fact that Muhammad was a warlord who founded an empire which his followers carried across the globe, with no uncertain terms that his followers followers keep it up.
By all means, regale me with trivialities that abolish that absolute fact.
>>69853256
>If we can win the hearts and minds of the moderates, that will be where our path to victory starts.
But you still randomly murder them as well. "moderate" muslims (ie. atheists) also have most of their family killed and tortured by you guys.
>>69857591
Muslims see the Coran as the direct word of God. Compare this to the Bible, which is the word of God, through the words of man. This makes the Muslims religion much less reformable, if it is reformable at all.
>>69857661
IU don't have to. I have said dick about Muhammad, nor am I Muslim.
>absolute fact.
As I already said, I have no position on that fact, except it doesn't support your point at all. Unless you are letting emotion run roughshod over reason...
>>69855575
Here ya go, familia
>>69857606
Its not an organized campaign, its an informal tactic. Cultural Marxism is an after the fact analysis of Leftist means, not a supposed conspiracy. There are no "Cultural Marxists" going around spreading "Cultural Marxism" on purpose, as a planned goal.
However, the Left does tend to view all social problems through the lens of Marxist dialectic.
Whites and PoC
Men and women
Straight and gay
Cis and trans
Etc etc etc, in a word, oppressor and oppressed. And in this worldview, the problems of the former are ignored, and the problems of the latter are exaggerated.
>>69857843
>there is no such thing as Christian fundamentalists
>Muslim fundamentalists mean all Muslims are fundamentalists
Kek
>>69857899
thanks m8
>>69847302
Islam isn't reformable the same way Christianity was. Luthers arguments were a realignment with scripture, away from external influences and traditions. But that is *exactly* what so-called radical Islam is doing already. The text itself is incompatible with modern thought; the religion is rotten to its core. To reform Islam, you'll actually have to move away from intended and literal meaning and change the substance of Islam itself.
>>69857957
Quit trying to shitpost, you're not an Aussie. Percent of population is a very relevant metric here.
>>69857957
>he doesn't understand the difference in the very nature of the holy books of the two religions
A degree in shitposting from UMelbourne?
>>69847302
>muslim
>moderates
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
>>69857880
It supports my position perfectly. If the first few generations of Muslims and the founder himself followed certain teachings, then by definition ISIS and other terrorist groups are correct in claiming to be Islam, and other more moderate groups, which are eternally small and irrelevant, are perversions and heresies.
Mainstream Muslim countries throw homosexuals off of buildings and stone women. Mainstream Muslim countries, recommend the extinction of Israel and the death of the Jews and the American people.
The terrorist groups grow larger with every single day.
You are being delusion when you try and pretend that some religious debate over the descent of the caliph or the permissibility of non-religious images, or status of the Sufi, or whatever other trivialities you intend to mention, in any way negates my primary point, which is that Islam is a religion which has a fundamental, and not coincidental, political ideology inherent in its teachings, an ideology that is INCOMPATIBLE with the modern western world.
>>69858069
>>69858093
>Calling him a shitposter in a shitpost ins't a shitpost
Address the point.
I mean if you mentally stunted faggots actually can.
>>69851399
>encouraging them give up their more radical beliefs
Most Muslims believe things fundamentally incompatible with western liberal democracy, pic related. I don't think "moderate Muslims" even really exist, they can be bros is if they ignore half the Koran but at that point they're not really Muslim. Also there's a repeating pattern where such youths suddenly feel guilty about their western decadence, and decide that violent Jihad is a logical way to make up for for it.
A major reformation in Islam is needed if this problem is ever going to be fixed, but it's hard to see how it can happen given dogma about the perfect and unchanging nature of the Koran. Minimizing Saudi Wahhabi influence would be a start, it's insane that they literally run the mosques and supply the Imams in many western countries, including Brussels.
>>69847302
>It is obvious we can't defeat them militarily
Nigger this is the first time in the millennia long conflict we have going against the muslims that we actually COULD finally defeat them militarily. The first time we could finally end this, but instead we surrender and invite them in our homes instead.
A hundred generations are looking down at us with shame asking WHY.
>>69855032
>Muslim guy stomped to death for expressing tolerant views
Source?
>>69858235
Muslims see the Coran as the direct word of God. Compare this to the Bible, which is the word of God, through the words of man. This makes the Muslims religion much less reformable, if it is reformable at all.
Literally copy-pasted
>>69847302
No one wants to see your videos
OP is a fag?
Confirmed.
Fuck
>>69847302
Islam already had its enlightenment. Then a colossal faggot named Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab began preaching a violent ultraconservative version of Islam and started forcibly converting other denominations and murdering the rest with the help of his patron, the incestuous rapist Muhammad bin Saud.
>>69858235
Just pointing out that you're completely ignoring percent of population, friend :^)
>>69850234
Genuinely curious though, why are you buying into the "THIS PLAYS INTO THE TERRORIST'S HANDS!" meme? Fence-sitters who radicalize at the first sight of sensible policy aren't exactly people I really want to stand shoulder to shoulder with.
>>69847302
If you haven't watched Black Pidgeon Speaks' videos, they are also very good, and very redpilled. He's like a slightly more moderate /pol/ that makes redpills more digestable for normies.
https://youtu.be/5FPXXHknv0g
>>69855032
>>69858334
Never mind, I found your link further down.
So he was stabbed to death by another Muslim, lol.
>>69858334
the link has been posted several times in this thread and it's more or less the only link people have posted.
>>69857925
The term "Cultural Marxism" is a specific reference to the discredited conspiracy theory that the Frankfurt school devised a plan to change American culture (for the better, I might add).
http://web.archive.org/web/20040207095318/http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=53&printable=1
>>69858211
As I said, you are intetrested in proving that ISIS is the only form of Islam that is legitimate based on your feelings. And yet you also claim to hate them. Despite doing whatever you can to reinforce their legitimacy in the Muslim world.
>negates my primary point
I don't have to. It was already negated by the fact that a Muslim man was beaten to death for exhibiting his love of western society and even Christians as a religious community.
This proves that there are Muslims who are compatible.
But I am sure you understand their religion better than them right?
You are literally every bit the useful idiot for them as your average western European terrorist.
>>69849833
War has ALWAYS caused mental scars for some (the weak of will and/or spirit) killing children or not.
You've mistaken correlation with causation.
>>69858550
Yeah I found it after scrolling further down.
>>69858601
Yes. You're right. One, individual example, completely disproves the mean. For some reason, the fact that Islam was founded as a religion of violence and conquest, a fact history bears out perfectly, is completely negated, because one person, was murdered.
Yes. That is definitely how ideologies work. Definitely.
>>69858562
No it is not. The term "Frankfurt School" is the term that applies specifically to the conspiracy theory, cultural marxism is a term that can apply to both the methodology, and the conspiracy theory that supposedly birthed it.
>>69858562
>SPLC
You're seriously going to link to the Southern Poverty Law Center on this one? Great source, friend!
>>69847702
I can't stand the poo in loo accent.
>>69858431
>Just pointing out that you're completely ignoring percent of population, friend :^)
I am not ignoring anything. I am debating total claims about all Muslims, not proportions. Regardless of what you may think, I am more the follower of Marsilius of Padua than Mohammed. As such I have major problems with people coming into MY countries and telling us how to run shit.
>Genuinely curious though, why are you buying into the "THIS PLAYS INTO THE TERRORIST'S HANDS!" meme?
Because ts not a meme. It is something that has become very apparent to me in my study of the middle east, which started some time in 2002.
>>69847302
>supporting "moderates"
No such thing
>modernize the religion
Wrong
>we can't defeat them militarily
Yes we can
I wonder who OP is...
>>69858763
>disproves the mean
I have to do no such thing. I have to disprove the total claim about ALL Muslims. Which I have.
And just so you don't get it twisted, I would fight and die in the streets against ANYONE who sought to hijack the separation of church and state in either of the countries of which I am a natural ethnic citizen.
>>69852463
This is an important point. This movement started in the late 19th century, as a kind of enlightened hippy version of islam, wanting to move the religion past the pure text of their book. A noble sentiment, but they are considered heretics by pretty much all Muslims, and no better than a jew.
We need to support these guys; not the so-called moderates.
>>69859092
Except you know, take any steps whatsoever to actually do so. Also, no, you didn't, because one of the very first things I said was that I was describing the general traits of Islam NOT the traits of all people who identify as Muslims. You are moving the goalposts.
>>69858562
How about cultural marxism as literally marxism where economic class is replaced by intrinsic social classes? (e,g, men oppress women, whites oppress blacks and straight people oppress gays)
>>69851399
It's a culture and values system.
The best way to subvert it is to support homosexual "color" revolutions in more western Muslim nations and just start importing that mental illness.
That and just killing more of their women. A dead women means 3 or 4 more jihadis can't be birthed.
>>69858601
We don't live in a world of individuals. We cannot make governmental edicts that only apply to an individual.
If a large portion of X participate either directly or through material support violence against people, then we make a governmental policy regarding X.
One good Muslim doesn't prove that Islam isn't a dangerous ideology and that the people who practice it are enticed to violence. In fact his death proves quite the opposite.
Saying "let's just change them and they'll be good" is something my son would have pitched when he was 5 years old.
People rarely change and pinning your hopes on changing Muslims EN MASS to be moderates that no longer support terrorism either directly or tacitly is fucking stupid.
>>69859207
>there is no such thing as moderate Muslims
>except you know the moderate ones STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS.
As for your first sentence, it is a fragment without any context or meaning.
>>69850234
>>69852463
>>69852748
Until recently apologists were championing Salafism as an alternative to the ISIS narrative, since it's also hardline ultra-conservative, but supposedly non-violent. That kind of went to shit when the Tunisian gunmen turned out to be Salifi.
>>69859339
>>69855349
>I'm not saying there is literally no Muslim moderates, I am saying that Islam by nature radicalizes.
Read up nigga.
>>69859265
>Saying "let's just change th
Bruh, you arr projecting so much shit onto my position that I don't actually believe.
I don't believe we should bend for them. I don't believe we should prostitute our ideals of tolerance to tolerate those of intolerance.
>People rarely change and pinning your hopes on changing Muslims EN MASS to be moderates that no longer support terrorism either directly or tacitly is fucking stupid.
As opposed to wet dreams of mass deportation or genocide? There are fractures that exist in the muslim world and getting out way there requires we have allies which share our views. If there aren't many of them, we need to cultivate the ones that exist that much more seriously.
We live in a word where the dominant political paradigm is one of individuals possesing rights. As referenced by human rights law and the domestic law of every advanced nation.
You aren't ready for war anon, you are ready for red/blue US nigger tier gang fights.
Fuck off.
>>69859681
getting our way there requires*
>>69859419
I accept that certain interpretations do and I stand against such radicalization competely. I just don't accept that Islam is inherently radical.
We agree on enough to stand shoulder to shoulder, as we do with many Muslims.
So how about we get to dividing and conquering the radicals, instead of infighting?
>>69847302
dude this entire premise is throwing the baby out with the bathwater
just nuke the fuck out of them and put the lefties in death camps
>>69855914
Islam is the only major religion that continues to devolve into rank barbarism. It never went through an enlightenment.
And this reference is obligatory, and over done, but sill revealing
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
A random paragraph:
>In South Asia, support for applying religious >law to family and property disputes is >coupled with strong backing for severe >criminal punishments, such as cutting off the >hands of thieves (median of 81%) and the >death penalty for Muslims who renounce >their faith (76%). In the Middle East-North >Africa region, medians of more than half >favor strict criminal penalties (57%) and the >execution of those who convert from Islam to >another faith (56%).
>>69859399
>Until recently apologists were championing Salafism as an alternative to the ISIS narrative, since it's also hardline ultra-conservative, but supposedly non-violent. That kind of went to shit when the Tunisian gunmen turned out to be Salifi.
ISIS is Salafist in nature. It always was. Its the school of jurisprudence dominant in Saudi Arabia and anyone who thought it was a source of resistance to ISIS, as opposed to a source of ISIS, id flat out retarded and is not to be trusted.
*There are 'quiet' salafists who believe political action is unbecoming and unholy and seek to only self improve in order to live in the same way as the prophet...
relying on these people to overcome activist salafis is naive at best.
>>69859869
We don't agree on nearly enough, and we won't, until you accept that Islam itself is the problem, and that the United States [and Europe] must take the same stance to it that it took to communism during the Cold War. Total, unconditional opposition of its spread, and as much as politically possible, its existence.
We must drop Muslim immigration to near-zero, deport any Muslim here illegally, deport all 'refugees', and possibly even consider deporting citizens. And then we must adopt a policy of containment for the entire Islamic world.
Radical Islam is mainstream Islam, what you call moderates are the exception to the rule, few in number and in influence. And they are getting stronger, not weaker, as they multiply in number.
Islam delenda est should be the rallying cry of our culture, if we want our culture to survive the next 50 years.
>>69860034
Bruh, the infographic has been posted ITT and addressed. I saw it before I ever saw it on /pol/.
Yes, there are Muslims who have views that are incompatible with western democracy and those people do not belong here.
Thinking that means all western Muslims are radicals, or radicalizing the moderates that are left through deportations or genocide is a good idea is the true retardation.
>>69860313
If the "moderates" are already so primed for terror that us fighting back radicalizes them, they are not moderate.
>>69860132
>We don't agree on nearly enough, and we won't, until you accept that Islam itself is the problem, and that the United States [and Europe] must take the same stance to it that it took to communism during the Cold War. Total, unconditional opposition of its spread, and as much as politically possible, its existence.
Cool, you can fight with ISIS then.
I have to go faggots. A girl just showed up.
Have fun in your circlejerk.
>>69847302
A muslim 'enlightenment' will never happen.
Why?
Because the 'religious enlightenment' comes from two things, on the secular side: the renaissance and scientific revolution, on the religious side: the printing press, the bible and the religious wars that followed prots vs caths. There will be no peace until shias and sunnis can live in peace, which is impossible. Also arabs are not prone to science.
>>69859681
Well if you believe in the holocaust I'd say mass deportation and/or genocide works just fine.
>If there aren't many of them, we need to cultivate the ones that exist that much more seriously.
As I said, this is a pipe dream. Every time we've tried this ends in failure and creating more Islamic terrorist factions.
>We live in a word where the dominant political paradigm is one of individuals possesing rights. As referenced by human rights law and the domestic law of every advanced nation.
Luckily my nation is the only one that can enforce any international law.
>You aren't ready for war anon, you are ready for red/blue US nigger tier gang fights.
You have no clue what I'm ready for you cowardly little maggot.
>>69847302
And I'll also add, moderate muslims don't matter in anything. Moderates are only the grass. Radicals are the snake. 'Supporting' a moderate side is pointless when their text says kill the unbelievers and apostates.
>>69847302
Why should we go through all those steps to force Muslims to act civilized? There is no benefit from doing that. Better to make sure they know attacks will be met with swift justice. Make attacking Westerners too expensive to even contemplate.
>>69860607
The attack by those who want to die
-- this is the attack against which you cannot prepare a perfect defense.
--Human aphorism
[ The Dosadi Experiment, by Frank Herbert ]
>+10 nerd points if you know what I copypasta'd that from
>>69847302
If you study Islam you would know that a reformative movement such as Protestants with Christianity is not possible because of religious law and court rulings in the past that set their radical beliefs in stone. I believe the concept is called ijra.
>>69861213
>You may also enjoy
>>69861280
Thank you. There has never NOT been an open koran, as with the bible.
>>69856926
Violence is not the problem with Islam. The problem with Islam is that it is an alternative societal system. Violence is a part of that system.
It is morally reprehensible to believe in Islam as it is a terrible system. There is no reason to believe in it and Islam is of not benefit to humanity.
>>69847302
We can defeat them millitarly without a problem.
Just switch the roe to genozid and lets use the full arsenal insted of this fuckt up.
Hearts and minds.
Get rid of the minds you get rid of the problem.
>>69859869
>I just don't accept that Islam is inherently radical.
You're gonna have to reject the hadith. You're also going to have to reject verses such as :
>“Surely the Hukm (Law and Judgment) is for none but Allah”
(12:40)
>“He does not make anyone His associate in His Hukm (Law and Judgment)”
(18:26)
And pic related. Islam is cancer. It's of no value.
