When we see in our televisions the green filtered, 2-hour lasting, psychedelic bombing of Iraq, the news reports are occupied by the Lewinski affair, it's fair when we, the rest of the world, decide to have our input on american politics, especially those of us under the NATO umbrella, but not exclusively of course.
Unions that brought this historic wage raise (not neoliberal policies, Unions), and in these times no less, have to keep going along with Sanders, just authorising someone to fix problems for you was never a solution.
can't threads be selfbumped anymore?
POST IN HERE OR I 'LL FUCK YOU UP
haha stupid retard
>>69827240
thanks
>>69827240
wait, fuck you, you saged
>>69826512
CA and NY gonna get raped by food robots. Enjoy your no-job tax increase.
Anyone have that compilation video of him claiming that we need higher and higher minimum wages? First it's 7.25. Then it's 8.50. Then it's 10.10. Now it's 15 bucks. And each time, he asserts that this will be the time we finally put an end to the struggle of the working class.
>>69827472
>food robots
oooooookay
>>69827640
are you from Montana?
>>69828573
>>69828610
>memes
You can't pay people 15. They have to contribute that amount of fucking value to the company.
A McDonalds worker may only sell 15 burgers in a 8 hour period. If he makes 15 fucking dollars an hour, he's far exceeded what he made for the company in pay.
>>69830066
>I don't understand anything about economics: the post
>>69830066
what if he sells 100 in an 8 hour period?
400?
>>69828610
You missed the best one.
>>69830066
What bothers me is that it doesn't matter to McDonald's, or Burger King they can afford it. It's small businesses that get fucked with things like $15 an hour minimums, and boatloads of required benefits. Even if you make some "compromise", and say only corporations that make a certain amount of profit have to pay do these things small businesses lose because who the fuck is going to work for " mom and pop " when McDonald's is forced to pay you $15 an hour? Big corporations love regulation because it literally kills upcoming competition. Leaving only the labor force, and the ultra wealthy. It's fucking backwards.
>>69830158
Yeah, you would know all about running your country's economy into the ground with excessive benefits, wouldn't you?
>>69830158
I mean its Keynesian economic theory essentially. Increase wages, increase the demand, increase revenue. Too bad guns and butter failed, and so will this.
>>69830976
I was drunk, what, you 've never been drunk?
>>69826512
This man did not have a job until he was 40 years old, and people still think he has anything to offer.
>>69828077
Im from montana, who needs a fuckin minimum wage, over here they all start at like 10 an hour, 1.95 over the 8.05 USD minimum. i make 18 an hour, and 27 an hour overtime, working construction lol, montana is actually a decent economic structure in the us.
>>69830929
>It's small businesses that get fucked with things like $15 an hour minimums
you 've got a nice sense of humour, shitter. I 'm sure all the little businesses around the world blame the minimum wage first and foremost, it's definitely not the conglomerisation, monopolisation and venture capitalism that drove millions in unemployment and reduced wages so that people can't afford to shop at little businesses and as a result (because you obviously need things explained to you on a fundamental level) those businesses had to lay off Jimmy and/or close down.
>>69831323
Donald Trump has never served in public office and people actually think about voting him as the planetarch
>>69831407
To add to my post, its because its mostly white people, theres maybe 10 black people in my whole city.
>>69831407
>Im from montana
>>69827640
The idea is that it's supposed to be a wage floor to prevent companies getting together, and saying "look faggots, you'll take the shit wage we give you, and you'll like it". Of course I believe the invisible hand of Adam Smith will guide companies to the reality that if no one can afford eat then no one is buying things, and then companies go out of business. If we are going to have some sort of minimum wage I think it should be decided by States because $15 an hour as a minimum might make sense somewhere like NYC where cost of living is that high. But it doesn't make sense in a place like Tulsa, OK.
>>69826512
Shut the fuck up Greekfag and pay denbts
>>69831532
Yet he made billions. Sanders has not done ONE thing in his pathetic life. PAY YOUR FUCKING DEBTS OLIVE
>>69831479
I really don't see why you think only one thing is bad for small businesses. Yeah, monopolies hurt competition, passing regulations that only large companies can handle also hurts small businesses. You didn't explain how I'm wrong, you just told me about a thing you don't like. Sounds like you just hear a bit of bad news narrative, and think it is the only issue, the economy isn't that simple dear.
>>69831623
I'm also from Montana.
>Decent economic entity that is currently one of the top five largest growth areas in the nation
>Hard-working
>One of the top engineering schools feeding it
>Great wages due to the number of jobs available
>Great skiing and outdoors in general
>Great people
I'd gladly stay in Montana over anywhere else
>>69831533
Helena?
>>69831663
>If we are going to have some sort of minimum wage I think it should be decided by States
a minimum wage should be guaranteed already, what are you talking about, "some sort of minimum wage"? And you can't have a different minimum wage for every other part of the country, that negates the purpose of the minimum wage.
>>69831749
smell my nuts hillbilly
>>69831798
>Yet he made billions
underage detected.
I honestly think our currency is too fucked up to make the minimum wage to work.I am for the idea of a minimum wage. I'm anti-capitalist, but I believe our currency is too inflated to make it effective.
>>69828573
I love this Meme...
>interns
>paid
>>69831798
Donald Trump inherented $6mil in today's money, was handed a successful company. He then went on to be marginally successful. I'm not impressed. Sorry.
>>69832326
>Unibomber
>one room shacks
>gun nuts
>>69832203
you really don't seem to grasp cause and effect either.
>>69826512
Minimum wages don't work. These threads are posted every fucking day without fail. Why don't you go and read the archives before making another fucking thread. People are just repeating themselves for the same shitposting yuropoors. Honestly Greece you're the last country to say anything about economics.
>>69827640
The working class doesn't even struggle in the US, wtf is this senlie old man's problem.
>>69832384
The minimum wage is meant to reflect the cost of living in the current economy. A place like NY has a different cost of living than a place like TX. Making businesses pay the same amount in both States is absurd, and since this isn't in the Constitution it's a state issue.
>>69832624
>become billionaire
>marginally successful
>>69832624
A lot of people get money from their parents, he turned it into MORE money, through many different means. Bernie Sanders lived in a dirt floor shack and collected unemployment. He didn't contribute to our country for most of his life, now he will take your retard dollars and retire. Get out
>>69832933
With a 6 million dollar inheretence and the reins to a giant company.
>>69832624
>meanwhile rednecks and niggers continue to win millions in the lottery and become broke in a few years
m-muh small loan was the reason for his success
>>69833017
Bernie Sanders is a senator on a socialist platform. I don't know what your definition of success is. But close to being president as a senator is pretty successful.
>>69833042
Trump expanded the economy and turned those millions into billions and became like 99.9999999 percentile in terms of wealth in the world. That is extremely successful.
>>69833089
I didn't say unsuccessful, I said "marginally successful"
>>69833287
>the economy
Woops, I was already thinking about his future term as president. I meant company.
You really fucked up this time.
Before increasing the min wage to twice of what i used to be, you should've secured your borders.
I've been a computer engineer for 2 years now and make less than $15 an hour (actually much less since the Mexican peso is worth almost twice as less as the burger dollar).
As soon as this reaches poor fags in Mexico with even less options, they will risk everything to jump the border.
>some burger flipping lazy nigger will earn more than a college educated engineer
fuck this gay earth
>>69832624
>inherited money
>was handed succesful companies
>which he drove to the ground
hmmm, this vaguely reminds me of someone.
>>69832639
>Minimum wages don't work
ok, now you know why I haven't read the rest of your post.
>>69832892
>The minimum wage is meant to reflect the cost of living in the current economy
the minimum wage is a protective measure of the working class, given thus far by the welfare state.
And since workers are under such an attack during the past 40 years, it should be a constitutional issue, however I doubt that it already isn't. Current minimum wages don't reflect the actual cost of living anyway. That raise is already a joke if you ask me, but it still shows the potential of struggle.
>>69833196
>billionaire is not successful
>lazy politician who fooled millenials is successful
>>69826512
>When we see in our televisions the green filtered, 2-hour lasting, psychedelic bombing of Iraq, the news reports are occupied by the Lewinski affair, it's fair when we, the rest of the world, decide to have our input on american politics, especially those of us under the NATO umbrella, but not exclusively of course.
Why are you basing your decision on news reports from 25 fucking years ago.
>>69830192
Then he is a burger slinging machine. Promote that motherfucker to manager.
>>69833287
Expanded the economy in his successes destroyed it in his failures. Literally uses bankruptcy laws to avoid destitute
>>69833017
>lived in a dirt floor shack and collected unemployment
so you mean he moved up?
>he turned it into MORE money
yes, if I had stocks I 'd make my inheritance grow too, it's not that hard to hatch shares.
>>69833196
>I don't know what your definition of success is. But close to being president as a senator is pretty successful.
I don't know what your definition of success is, but getting exactly 0 bills passed in 20+ years is not a successful politician. In fact, it's a completely fair statement to call Sanders a failed career politician.
>>69833333
sick get
>>69826512
haha stupid retard
>>69833561
Trump has employed thousands of people and contributed positively to economic success in America for decades.
>>69826512
NATO has outlived its usefulness and it's end can't come soon enough you worthless olive skinned moocher. Good luck defending yourselves in the future.
Fucking Greek faggots.
>>69827472
>CA and NY gonna get raped by food robots
Good. Better jobs can arise elsewhere and everyone's standard of living will be improved.
>>69833660
Holy shit, I'm so excited.
>>69833528
>lewinski
>every presidential inauguration
>important decisions
>25 years ago
no
it tripped you out too as a kid, didn't it?
Multibillion dollar empire. Best selling business novel of all time. Number one television series for almost a decade. Maybe he is good at something.
>>69833595
I can't expect a Greek to understand. Greeks are basically Jews and anybody who has ever had to deal with them knows this. You are fucking retarded. He CLEARLY did not just sit on his money, he worked hard to get where he is. Ugh Grease, Jew 2.0
>>69831663
Minimum wages don't work on the state level either.
When you impose a minimum wage you're saying that people whose work that does not justify a minimum wage will not get hired. This hurts mostly low skilled workers, poor people, and people fresh into the job market. A business won't hire someone if their work is not worth the minimum wage, that would be charity. What should happen is that businesses be allowed to hire people for what they are worth, even at lower wages so they can get job experience and on the job training to work themselves up, but we deny them even the chance to do that because minimum wages discriminate against low skilled workers, and on top of the shitty public schooling system, it keeps poor people in line for welfare and handouts.
Not to mention the other problems with minimum wages like price increases and more unemployment. When you raise minimum wages artificially, businesses will raise the prices of their good and services to make up money lost. The cost of minimum wages are redirected back at the consumer who has to pay more for goods. This won't hurt the people who get their wages boosted by the minimum wage hike, but most of the country don't work minimum wage jobs, so now their standard of living has been lowered
Also tulsa representing.
>>69833753
LOL
>>69833648
>everything has to be about numbers
do you even reality?
>>69833764
stay salty bro
>>69833984
>this delusion
lay off the meth pipe Terry
>>69833951
TOP
FUCKING
KEK
>>69833648
He passed shit tons of amendments that gained bipartisan support. Literally manipulated legislation to include his goals and then that legislation got passed.
>>69834144
>dumb greekfag can't handle the facts
Well no wonder your economy was run to the ground. Enjoy paying for your own defence when Trump pulls out of NATO.
>>69834144
I'm not your bro. Your country is pointless and will hopefully be part of turkey soon. One of the few places that would be improved by mud rule would be Greece and Athens specifically
>>69834109
I basically agree with you, and I think your statement was well put.
>>69834144
Why are we debating someone from Greece about what makes a successful person?
>>69834354
I know you weren't advocating for it, but I just wanted to type that out so I can post it anytime someone makes these threads.
>>69833951
None of those things are
>run a country.
>>69834109
>businesses be allowed to hire people for what they are worth
that contradicts with the profit motive. They should pay the workers as little as they can or even get job done for free.
That's why it's important to have a minimum wage and a minimum wage is only guaranteed through workers' struggle.
>>69834455
>implying Sanders of Clinton could run a country better
>>69834144
OK Plato, good comeback. Now comeback with the money you owe. Jew nose, jew hair, jew way of not paying people back.
>>69834332
>>69834342
>>69834436
>>69834526
>people aren't employed for much more than minimum wage
>how does supply and demand work
Get it together Greece.
>>69834455
In that case no one is qualified to be president.
>>69833871
You said the psychedelic bombing of Iraq and the Lewinski affair, with Iraq preceding Lewinsky meaning 1991. Everything you're referring to literally happened 20+ years ago.
>it tripped you out too as a kid, didn't it?
No, but I was enthralled. Kids in the U.S. are pretty jingoistic. I remember exactly where I was when U.S. troops entered Iraq in 2003. I remember how happy I was that we were going to gib Saddam and the rest of those goat fuckers. My jingoistic fervor has subsided since, but I'm stilly fairly jingoistic.
>>69834144
>>everything has to be about numbers
>do you even reality?
>do nothing for 20 years
>claim to be successful and not a career politician
Pay debts.
>>69834169
>cosponsorship is the same as authored or sponsored
You are fucking stupid. Out of the bills and amendments he sponsored or authorized exactly 3 amendments passed. 0 bills passed.
https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B%22bill-status%22%3A%22law%22%2C%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%7D
>that gained bipartisan support
He's consitently rated as the least bipartisan member of the legislative branch. You are fucking retarded. Go shill elsewhere.
>>69834526
No, because if companies all pay shit wages then no one can afford to buy anything, and the economy fails. Take out the minimum wage and companies have to keep up with the demand that isn't being manipulated by govt oversight.
Bernie wasn't picked at Builderberg.
*2016 and don't know about the Illuminati takeover yet*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZHRgTskEhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0otOKQAJTc
Radical leftists and protests and riots in the streets.
Add 60,000 migrants with 10% terrorism.
Add economy collapse.
Add predicted terrorist attacks to no-gun leftist Utopia
Add predicted terrorist attacks to no-gun leftist Utopia
Add civil unrest and civil war
Illuminati.exe hello guys want me to save you from yourselfs?
>arguing with lefty shills on /pol/
>>69826512
HAHAHHAHAHA
>>69826843
LMAO
>>69826927
TOP KEK
>>69827034
WEW LADDY
>>69827351
PFFFT AHAHAHAHAHAHAA
>>69827381
Hehe oh wow
>>69827667
Whatever you say, mate.
>>69828077
Hehe, yeah sure..........................
>>69829951
Nice one there, friendo.
>>69830158
Are you kidding me? Hey, maybe do be so stupid before posting?
>>69831160
heAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>69831479
>memeing this hard
>>69831532
[butthurt passive-aggressive sarcasm]
>>69831532
You really think that? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>69831623
ROFLMAO
>>69832384
Eat shit, kiddy.
>>69832632
Perhaps listen to me more closely, Cletus?
>>69833416
Hmmmmmm..... something is worng here I just don't know what? Oh yeah. YOU'RE WRONG
>>69834526
>that contradicts with the profit motive. They should pay the workers as little as they can or even get job done for free.
That would happen only in the absence of competition. When there is competition, wages will be raised because businesses want to try and get employees, and use higher wages and benefits as an incentive. If walmart was only paying a dollar an hour, most people would work at one of walmart's competitors for more benefits. The "profit motive" exists not only for companies but for everyone.
>>69834813
The original assertion is that he hasn't had success. You boil success down to "bills passed", way to reframe the argument Schopenhauer.
>>69834636
>people aren't employed for much more than minimum wage
see? who's to decide that value, what they 're worth? My point is, bona (the plural of bonus) and stock options aside, how do you measure the worth of a golden boy for example? By the amount of money he made you? What about the so-called true economy? Who's to decide what's worthy and how much for each company?
Supply and demand can be and have been manipulated and are not forces independent of history my friend.
>>69834813
>with Iraq preceding Lewinsky meaning 1991
you understood that but answered about the 2003 invasion. How is that possible you shortcircuited shit?
Did you even read the rest of my post?? Did you understand what I was talking about? And what do you have against saddam?
Additionally, Bernie Sanders is elected, he isn't a chairman appointed by someone else for life. And the "job" of a politician is not to create profit nor is measured in bills passed, I thought they already taught you that in school you absolutely fucking neoliberal-fedora idiot.
>>69834969
Bernie Sanders fails because gibsmedats coupled with open boarders will bleed the nation completely out. We simply cannot cultivate the entire world. We could certainly handle our nation if we had a defined group of people to target but that would be combining nationalism and socialism.
>>69835262
>The original assertion is that he hasn't had success
No, I claimed that he wasn't a successful politician if he got a whopping 3 amendments passed in 20 years and exactly 0 bills. Success =! successful. Nazi Germany had success in WW2. Nazi Germany was not successful in WW2. See the difference?
>>69835384
>you understood that but answered about the 2003 invasion
I was a baby in 1991. You asked, I answered.
>Additionally, Bernie Sanders is elected, he isn't a chairman appointed by someone else for life. And the "job" of a politician is not to create profit nor is measured in bills passed
I am now convinced you're a Sanders shill on a VPN. Time to leave, malaka.
>>69826512
Pay denbts.
>>69835604
>he got a whopping 3 amendments passed in 20 years and exactly 0 bills
how many bills did Trump pass?
>>69835759
>how many bills did Trump pass
All of the ones he bought, an unknown number, but definitely higher than 3.
>>69835806
>All of the ones he bought
so you are rooting for someone for derailing due process by bribing? And you think that this is a good thing to do, that it is for the common interest?
>>69835478
Arguing speculation, and meme talking points. Go Trump! You're a faggot.
>>69836020
How does not supporting Bernie Sanders make me a Trump supporter, Mr. Strawman?
>>69836131
how should I know who you support?
>>69835604
>I decide who's successful God Damn it, being a senator definitely isn't good enough. He has to pass bills! Bills are the only thing in politics that matters!
>>69836257
Then why make a claim
>>69836261
>Literally doing his job doesn't matter because he's a pinko
Wow.
>>69835604
>he actually tries to bargain/counterargue/deny that the "job" of a politician is not to create profit nor is measured in bills passed
>>69836558
There are junior politicians whose first election was in 2014 with more bills passed than Sanders.
>>69836772
I can't believe you are still discussing this
let me put this in child terms, because you are obviously a cretin
IF THE BILL PASSED MAKES THE LIFE OF THE PEOPLE WORSE, THEN I SHIT ON IT AND IN ECONOMIC TERMS IT'S COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AND IN GAME THEORY TERMS IT'S MINUS GAIN/LOSS/DAMAGE FOR THOSE WHO ELECTED THEM.
>>69837070
Allow me to retort:
IF THE AMENDMENTS PASSED DID NOTHING EXCEPT RENAME POST OFFICES THEN THE PEOPLE HAVE A POLITICIAN WHO GAVE NET 0 GAIN FOR 20 FUCKING YEARS. GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH A CACTUS.
>>69833786
This cunts got it
>>69837384
That's because the bought for politicians wouldn't vote for Bernie's proposals and would empty the room whenever he was speaking.-
>>69826512
>Gauranteed 15 dollar an hour wage.
Big Fucking Deal! They can gaurantee a 100 dollar an hour minimum wage. It's still bullshit, but people will think that they are going to actually be able to get ahead of the economy.
How about garanteeing the value of the dollar. That would cause more good for the economy as a whole, and individuals long term.
Instead we let the FED decide what the actual value of that 15 dollars is. It's a total bullshit indicator of value.
Buy hey, Mr. Burgerflipper thinks he won something.
>>69837659
you should just learn stuff about the world and not say stupid things.
>>69837643
>That's because the bought for politicians wouldn't vote for Bernie's proposals
Yeah, I'm sure that's the reason that 200 sponsored bills didn't get passed.
>and would empty the room whenever he was speaking
The room was empty when he started speaking. Turns out there's such things as stenography, radio and television now so people don't actually need to be present to hear a speech. No wonder your country is falling the fuck apart.
A month ago I was living comfortably. Now all the sudden I'm making $1 above minimum wage. Fuck me.
>>69838812
you were NEET and got a job?
>>69837897
15 dollar an hour wage today is the same as a .26 dollar an hour wage in 1942, when the average hourly wage was actually .30.
The FED is eating the cheese while throwing us the crust.
It doesn't matter what the minimum is when the value of that minimum is eroded as policy.
i remember the last time they raised the min wage in my state. i went from a wage that was a few bucks over minimum wage to a wage that was minimum wage. was kind of pissed that it didn't go up desu. quit senpai
seriously it needs to be way more social than it is now. if robots are surely going to take away jobs in the next 100 years, i think it's important how $$ is split up between the masses in the future. Unless of course you're baller rich, which i think 95 percent of you here are just broke dick niggers. You are not part of their little club so stop sucking their cocks.
I think socialism like you have never before seen is inevitable, I think once all these baby boomers die off you will have a much more liberal government.
>work 45 hours/week
>now will be making 675 week, 2700 month pre tax
>pay $700/month for a quiet, detached unit
>aspie so don't really have social expenses, probably spend $1200 per month max
living the dream boys. thank you based california socialism
>>69839275
....that never happened.
>>69839107
>It doesn't matter what the minimum is when the value of that minimum is eroded as policy
>how cna money be real if inflation is real?
>>69840298
Minimum wage is just theater to placate the masses.
The people setting the minimum wage are the same ones promoting the policies that erode the value of that dollar.
Picking your pocket while convincing you that they are doing you a favor while doing it.
