Noam Chomsky said Suburbia's were created geo-corporate-politically to waste Fossil Fuels as much as possible to make the oil companies richer. Is this true?
No it's the result of the demand of white people to not live around niggers
>>69801955
Obviously people would be much happier jammed on top of each other by the thousands like we have for millenia anon
smdh
no they were a response to people having families and wanting more space to raise their kids while retaining an efficient arrangement with the property developers. If they weren't economically feasible they would have never been created across america.
>>69801955
>people want to move out of crowded cities to have their own house and yard
>"it's all a big conspiracy!"
>>69802162
That's kind of racist. I live in a suburbia and don't mind Africans. Though I do hate ghetto culture.
>>69802211
Well Noam Chomsky says the reason we love suburbia is because we have been brainwashed by the system to like them. We'd actually be happier in communist blocks or apartments.
>>69802250
But they could of been created by the oil companies to sell more fossil fuel.
>>69802399
>That's kind of racist. I live in a suburbia and don't mind Africans. Though I do hate ghetto culture.
So, that's new. The truth is racist. Got it.
>>69802399
>could of
opinions discarded. gtfo
>>69802317
But wasn't pre-suburbia times more rural?
>>69802471
Well I highly respect Noam Chomsky and he said it so he must have evidence for it.
>>69802465
Back when suburbs were created in the 50s African-Americans weren't ghetto. They were great people, just poorer on average.
>>69802399
>We'd actually be happier in communist blocks or apartments.
huh, weird. I never liked apartments.
>>69802399
>We'd actually be happier in communist blocks or apartments.
Only an idiot would believe this.
>>69802577
>Back when suburbs were created in the 50s African-Americans weren't ghetto. They were great people, just poorer on average.
[cite]
>>69802250
>suburbs
>efficient
>economically feasible (for the ones leaving there)
Leaf, please go.
>>69802317
People moving into sterile, isolated places where the normal fabric of society is destroyed.
I live about 4 km from the city center (basically suburbs) and its extremely inconvenient even with a car.
So it kind of seems to be a conspiracy to destroy society. by making us more ignorant of eachother.
>>69802577
>could of
>of of could
Noam Chomsky is an overrated hack.
>>69802599
Because the system brainwashed you.
>>69802613
Only an idiot would get brainwashed by the system to enjoy wasting as much energy as possible.
Well... sort of.
The car gave lots of 20th century planners a boner, and they got the idea to basically separate everything into zones connected by car.
It was laid out in some called the Athens Charter, penned by Le Corbusier himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens_Charter
>>69802785
Dude he's underrated. The mass media doesn't give him attention because of his views.
>>69802211
People who voluntarily jam themselves on top of each other will indeed be happier.
>>69802870
The point being that the dependence on car usage is bad for the environment.
>>69802696
So you don't buy that people want to live in their own houses with a yard and instead conclude the existence of suburbs must be a conspiracy?
...okay!
>>69802939
But people would do it if they weren't brainwashed by the capitalists.
>>69802211
Sure bud
>>69802945
But was the whole system created to increase profits for oil corporations?
>>69803025
Yeah because the capitalist system brainwashed you to believe owning more land and having more privacy is good.
>>69802945
car's = freedom
>>69803029
Brainwashing has nothing to do with it. People pay up the ass for good high density lifestyle as it is.
It's just illegal to provide cheap, effective high density lifestyles. Even though that would also be by far the least expensive lifestyle.
>people unironically supporting suburbs
>>69802788
>Because the system brainwashed you.
>The system brainwashed me
You know this how? I've lived in houses and I've lived in apartments. I would never give up cheaper accommodations that are also larger, quieter and out of the way for an overpriced studio where I have to worry if my car will get scratched because someone doesn't know how to drive or open their doors. Oh, not to mention I won't get necessarily get decent neighbors.
>>69802788
>The system
Oh yeah? Tell me more.
>>69803169
If the capitalist system has brainwashed me into believing that it is enjoyable that my neighbors cant hear me fucking I guess I'm okay with brainwashing!
Thanks capitalist system!
>>69803169
I like going hunting on my property. I couldn't do that if I lived in the city, I think.
Thread theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4a0xZMMlqE
>>69802788
>Brainwashed into believing living in concrete box is ideal
>N-n-no, you guys are brainwashed for wanting to have lots of personal space and a backyard!
Fucking kill yourself.
>>69803412
You're right. Rural zones is where it's at.
>>69803443
Because you've been brainwashed to enjoy houses more. If there was no propaganda you'd perfer living closer to your follow humans
>>69803490
ok after you get that stupid cartoon off this thread
>>69803519
So you thank the capitalist system for creating artificial desires for you and then making you work very hard to satisfy? Also it's not like you fuck anyone anyway.
>>69803029
>But was the whole system created to increase profits for oil corporations?
I've never heard about that.
I don't think the academic architects and planners created the system to please the oil corporations, and I have read a few critiques of those planners, so I'd have expected to come across it if had occurred. That system of car dependence has its roots in the 1920s, if not before, when climate change wasn't such a concern.
It's possible that governments chose to adopt that model to please oil corporations, but I haven't heard anything about it. It sounds like an incorrect conspiracy, to me.
>>69801955
They were created by white people to escape inner city crime and values.
>>69801955
yes it must be a conspiracy by oil companies because given the choice people would obviously want to live in pic related instead of owning their own land and property
>>69803777
But I highly respect Noam Chomsky and he says it's true. That's why I'm discussing it.
>>69803794
Back then African Americans weren't ghetto and didn't commit a lot of crime. Back then the biggest cause of crime was the mafia.
>>69801955
No, the guy is a stupid faggot
>>69803171
I'm very much appreciative of good public transport, though. As are the people of Europe, given how packed the trams are in the European cities I've been to.
>>69803765
>is there a conspiracy to live in the suburbs
>there is propaganda against living in cities
You've made up your mind, OP. I'm just here for the shitposts.
>>69803879
Sure, they totally weren't brainwashed by capitalism to avoid those apartments.
>>69803025
You always live in your own home if you buy it, kraut. But why buy a house that you can't afford that will cost a small fortune to maintain? Why move to a place that will increase your fuel consumption and thus cost of living? Just so you can say you accomplished something in life? You can do way more with the money you spend on living in the suburbs.
While i was living close to the city center it was great. Had everything i wanted at a short walk away. I used the car maybe 4-5 times a month and that was just to transport things to and from my home (not bodies).
Hell, if i want personal space and a "backyard", i'll just buy a cabin in the mountains near here and move there.
>>69803908
>Back then African Americans weren't ghetto and didn't commit a lot of crime.
I'm still waiting for that [cite]
>>69804023
What can a fucking leaf know about commieblocks?
>>69801955
>not a single pool
What poorfags.
>>69802162
First post best post
>>69803169
I like to grow vegetables. Shit, guess the capitalist system brainwashed me into wanting more land again!
>>69804060
This is exactly how I feel. Except I really hate this conspiracy because I love living in suburbia and grew up in a great suburb. However now that I think about it my family were taken as fools by the capitalists.
>>69804103
I remember arguing with a pro-USSR immigrant to Canada who said he grew up in a commieblock and talked about how great it was to share a tiny apartment with another family.
OP is probably him.
>>69803765
>. If there was no propaganda you'd perfer living closer to your follow humans
I kinda prefer not being around my fellow humans 100% of the time. This is why I own a fucking farm.
>>69804060
Nice. Here in the states, a mortgage on a house is cheaper than rent for an apartment.
You get more bang for your buck if you buy a house as opposed to renting a box in a city.
>>69802399
>We'd actually be happier in communist blocks or apartments.
Go fuck yourself
>>69801955
No. Surbibia was created because individuals and families enjoy having more space inbetween them and their neighbors. And are willing to pay the price for it. It's that simple.
Do big oil companies invest tons of money into building houses on large amounts of property or something?
>>69802788
How do you know you are not the brainwashed one? And commieblocks are kind of suburbs too, just more compact. Old townhouses are better then commieblocks, but houses were still preffered.
The cities grew larger because concentration of industry and people, there were kind of suburbs at the end of 19th/ beginning of 20th century, so houses at the edge of the city, but as cities grew, they got more and more distant.
>>69804103
I read a lot about communism.
>>69804088
Le google it. Haven't you seen old movies? Blacks are just chill people.
>>69804112
Just walk to the lake.
>>69804160
The land costs more to maintain then you get from the vegetables
>>69804103
This is Toronto...
As someone born and raised in NYC, I wanna slap all the whiney fucks who hate the suburbs. When I start a family, it'll be in the suburbs,
I miss when Aussies were the main shitposters, leaf shitposting is just sad.
No, it's false. What Noam Chomsky won't tell you is that American suburbs were a Jewish project, not a project by the big evil capitalist bogeyman and "the system". The people who originated and executed the vision of suburbia were Jews such as the Levitt brothers, Louis Wirth and many others, who often times, if anything, were left-leaning politically. William Levitt is as Jewish as they come and he is generally considered "the father of suburbia" and one of the most significant figures in 20th century urban planning for this reason.
Maybe listen to someone who isn't a kike if you want to know the truth about anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTrBXSwwsdI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZSBFxanDAw
>>69802939
Until 9 months later
>>69804060
>You can do way more with the money you spend on living in the suburbs.
Such as? A house is an asset you can borrow on. Mortgages, son. You dont understand economics.
Is suburbia meant to be entirely dehumanising?
>>69804313
Yeah but you basically chain yourself to the bank for some years. (guessing 15+) You miss on many great opportunities because of that. You can't move freely. If a better job position comes you can't just pack up and leave because you are hooked.
>>69802788
>westerners commenting on socialism/communism
>ever being supportive of it
Kill yourself, you piece of shit
>>69803169
Capitalist system is a pretty good guy, I'd buy him a drink.
Maybe a nice sour beer? No, no, he's too classy for that. Top shelf hard liquor or a nice wine for sure.
>>69804388
>The land costs more to maintain then you get from the vegetables
t. someone who's never had their own vegetable garden
>>69804388
>The land costs more to maintain then you get from the vegetables
HAHAHAHA NOPE
I make roughly 60,000 a year off it. Its called business, mate.
>>69802399
>>69802399
Commie Jew FUCKING LEAF
>>69804388
>Le google it. Haven't you seen old movies? Blacks are just chill people.
fucking moron. You make a claim, you have to back it up with evidence. Don't give me that old movies thing, that's not evidence. If you don't provide sufficient sources like a statistics of crimes, then I can disregard your comment.
Noam Chomsky said Pol Pot did nothing wrong and that all those talks about mass murder was just a right-wing conspiracy.
Lately he's been praising Venezuela's Bolivarian Revolution that just led the country to economic and political disaster.
Why does anyone ever listen to this Jewish idiot?
>>69804499
>If a better job position comes you can't just pack up and leave because you are hooked.
No, you can sell the house, fucktard.
I can tell you have never had a mortgage.
>>69802399
>We'd
Hol up. So you know exactly what everyone wants, and in no way are you a third party attempting to force your own opinion on to others preventing them for acting in their own best interest?
>>69803908
>That's why I'm discussing it.
But you're not. You're just saying 'Niam Chomsky said it so it's true' over and over again.
>Implying suburbs aren't a form of commie blocks
>>69804509
My family grew them as a kid and my grandfather had a farm. It was mainly just for hobby though.
>>69804520
What? My family had a small farm and it was just for fun.
>>69804502
Fuck off scum I've lived in a socialist country for 23 years.
>>69804489
The name or the actually thing?
>>69804431
Why would Jews benefit from it?
>>69803908
>But I highly respect Noam Chomsky and he says it's true. That's why I'm discussing it.
Well, I don't think the oil part is true.
Chomsky will probably dislike suburbia because it can have somewhat of an isolating effect, turning people into identical-ish units living apart from one another. Whilst Chomsky likes grass-roots community action and involvement.
>>69804719
>What? My family had a small farm and it was just for fun.
Probably because your family were wasteful papists who dont know how to make money. If you cant monetize your hobby, what fucking good is it?
>>69801955
No. They were created because we realized that there was a demand among White people to NOT live around niggers, and we had the space to make it happen. Unfortunately, the existence of suburbia is contingent on oil and gas. What would happen if suddenly supplies were severely restricted? All of America relies heavily on the just-in-time deliveries thanks to the trucking industry. All the people in suburbia have to drive to work, and back home, and to the grocery store. If the government had to start centrally planning, where do you think they would send these shipments of food? The cities where all the niggers are, of course.
Chomsky is a socialist who cannot simply admit that middle class whites do not like sharing a neighbourhood with poor blacks.
Not everything has to be a retarded conspiracy.
>>69804499
You can move freely. All you do is sell your house.
>>69804602
Then google it idiot. I'm not here to spoonfeed you.
>>69804617
No he didn't believe in the story that Pol Pot murdered anyone who "looked educated". That sounds a bit silly.
>>69804678
Human Nature is very social. Only capitalist propaganda can change that.
>>69804700
How so? Commie blocks are suppose to save as much energy possible.
>>69804719
>My family grew them as a kid and my grandfather had a farm. It was mainly just for hobby though.
>What? My family had a small farm and it was just for fun.
I guess you can't understand that a hobby is not meant to be a money maker. You spend money to maintain a hobby. That Netherlands guy and I are not talking about maintaining a hobby, we're talking about using it as a money maker.
>>69804719
Ako si srbin onda je to jos veci razlog da se ubijes, komunjaro odvratna
>>69804700
>having front and back yards with grass and trees and maybe even a pool
>having a tiny balcony, if you're lucky
You're right anon, suburbs are totally just like commie blocks!!!
Fucking retard.
>>69804719
The actual thing.
Seeing all those copy-paste houses is really depressing for some reason.
>>69804719
>Fuck off scum I've lived in a socialist country for 23 years.
>maybe you were brainwashed to hate suburb life because you couldn't afford it.
>>69804499
You can sell your mortgage you know
Only Marxist kikes hate suburbs
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>>69801955
Yup it's true
>>69804839
>Then google it idiot. I'm not here to spoonfeed you.
>make a claim
>dont provide proof
Troll detected.
Also, no one except retard leftists care even slightly about how much energy they waste.
>>69804520
>I make 60,000 USD a year
>I live in the Netherlands
>>69804832
>>69804629
>implying that selling a house takes approx. 1 hour
And no i never had a mortgage. I bought the apartment i lived in with the money i had.
>>69804839
>Then google it idiot. I'm not here to spoonfeed you.
You do not have a logical grasp of argumentation. YOU make a claim. YOU back it up. YOU don't tell me to back up your claim. That's not spoonfeeding, that's just basic logical sense.
>>69804899
Its better than communism.
>Chomsky
Oy
>>69804898
Whatever helps you think you beat the commie boogeymen
>>69804793
This could be true. I look at apes which are the closest things to humans and they love living and sleeping together. I thought maybe humans would be that way if it weren't for advertisement of everyone buying their own house and land.
>>69804818
For fun. They weren't wasteful they just loved doing it. And how did you know they were papists?
>>69804828
Stop trying to make it about race. Even in the 50s whites would be fine with civilized well educated blacks. It's just back then it was more rare for them to be educated because their schools were underfunded.
>>69803908
I didn't say anything about black people, you brought that shit up you fucking racist.
>>69802480
For an increasinly small share of the population.
The rest was cramped into the city, because that's where all the job were. And the homes sucked ass.
Having your own home in the city was a sign of having made it.
>>69805006
Well obviously.
>>69802613
>>69802599
He's possibly trolling, trying to fool everyone here into thinking leftists actually believe we'd be happier in communist blocks or apartments,
>>69804983
I make over 300k a year. I make 60k a year with farming (in terms of pure profit, my turnover is higher).
>>69805000
What, you think you have to switch jobs within 1 hour? Come on now.
And what kind of poor cunt are you if you cant suck up a few months rent + mortgage rent?
>>69804980
>Also, no one except retard leftists care even slightly about how much energy they waste.
Oh your a troll.
>>69805005
Noam Chomsky never backs his claims up and he is known as the greatest debater ever.
>>69805013
Who cares if he's a Jew? He's not part of the establishment.
>>69801955
I dont really see that but it works.
They are definitly stopping volution to stay
>a fucking leaf
I am laughing heartily at all the jealous europoors who covet our freedom and cars and space.
Stay mad.
>>69805000
>>implying that selling a house takes approx. 1 hour
Never said that. Houses are a completely tradable commodity. You don't even have to mortgage a house. You can outright buy it. I plan on buying 10+ acres of land and plopping a trailer on that land and just living off of animals that I hunt.
>>69802785
His linguistic theories have been challenged but he's still a genius.
>>69801955
No, the advent of the suburb was created because people were moving out of the city too fast and there needed to be a general sense of style dictating the planning and building of these neighborhoods en masse. The limited style and options involving what model house to buy, cuts down on costs associated with construction, and adds a sense of uniformity to the neighborhood. Of course, not all suburbs are like this, especially older ones, or ones populated with individuals who have money.
>>69802399
>Well Noam Chomsky says
Well Noam isn't always right, as a matter of fact; he's wrong about a lot of shit.
>But they could of been created by the oil companies to sell more fossil fuel.
The more likely answer is the control of associated construction costs. Oil companies don't have any relevance here. Unless if you're talking about them perpetuating a conspiracy to make people drive all the way out to the suburbs instead of living in the city. And if you're going that tin-foil, you're a retard.
>>69802577
>Back when suburbs were created in the 50s African-Americans weren't ghetto.
Yes they were, you just don't have any relatives who lived in a big city back then. Stereotypes for blacks weren't invented in the 80's. They've been around since time incarnate because at the core, they're "ghetto". Most were unemployed, lazy, and incompetent. The only difference between 50's negros and negros today, is the fact that the two parent household has completely collapsed in their culture. Other than that, nothing is different about blacks today.
>>69804898
Sure whatever
>>69804860
Oh my family had other jobs.
>>69805035
>And how did you know they were papists?
Because all non calvinists are wasteful, spendthrift whores.
>>69803169
shoo shoo, maple jew
>>69805169
>>Also, no one except retard leftists care even slightly about how much energy they waste.
>Oh your a troll.
Have you looked at the Volkswagen emission scandal? Have you noticed it hasnt affected their sales in any way? No one fucking cares, you green faggot.
>>69805148
Hah, I know. At this point, I'm just shitposting the thread
>>69805169
>Noam Chomsky never backs his claims up and he is known as the greatest debater ever
How come I never heard of him as the greatest debater ever?
>>69805006
Hey, i can see my house
>>69805148
I've already highlightest you as a troll, you can leave now.
>>69805191
I'm not jealous. I am in College right now but I grew up in a big suburbia house. I'm just wondering if that lifestyle was wrong.
>>69805232
You're more of a right wing tinfoil for saying Noam Chomsky was wrong.
>>69801955
Noam Chomsky actually said this? Damn I respected that guy too, he's full tinfoil I guess.
>>69805389
>house
>>69805261
Yeah my family did waste a lot.
>>69805321
I'm Christian
>>69805342
Have you looked at the Volkswagen emission scandal? Have you noticed it hasnt affected their sales in any way? No one fucking cares, you green faggot.
What the fuck does that have to do with conserving fossil fuel? That's about pollution and environmentalism, I'm talking about saving oil so we don't run out soon.
>>69805348
How come I never heard of him as the greatest debater ever?
Because you're uneducated
>>69805391
You mean you highlighted (you) as a troll?
Don't post in my thread if you have nothing to contribute.
>>69805391
>right wing tinfoil
You are aware you are basically on stormfront 2.0 right now, yes? Let me enlighten you:
Hitler did nothing wrong.
The holocaust was a lie.
Jews did 9/11.
suburbs are for citycucks in denial.
>>69805503
>How come I never heard of him as the greatest debater ever?
>Because you're uneducated
graduated college 4 years. Nice try.
>>69801955
No.
/thread
>>69805401
No your tinfoil for denying Noam Chomskys claim. He says crazy things and then it gets proven right, it's you who's tinfoil if you deny that.
>>69805520
It's my thread actually.
>>69805523
I thought this place is just anti-establishment and like Hitler for being anti-establishment. People here don't actually agree with the holocaust and don't deny it do they?
>>69802399
this is adorable
>>69804060
>Why move to a place that will increase your fuel consumption and thus cost of living?
In countries that aren't shit, a suburban house is cheaper than a city apartment, even when you factor in the hidden costs of the former
>>69805448
figure of speech
To me it seems like arranging these suburbs into small towns or communities with a central commercial sector that can be reached by foot or through a working public transport would have been the better solution.
That might just be due to my own experience living in a small town though. Having a grocery store and other neccessities in walking distance is a nice feeling.
>>69805664
0/10
>>69804303
Can I come live with you? I grew up on a farm.
>>69805580
Well you probably went to a college that was sponsored by corporations, which is very common.
>>69805668
What is?
>>69805671
What? I thought Suburbs were way more expensive because you need a loan for them.
>>69805664
>dont deny the holocaust
Thats right goyim, the holocaust totally happened.
>its my thread
Are you from fucking reddit or something? No one owns a thread.
>>69805746
You were highlighest as a troll first comment.
>>69805849
Sure whatever. Even though there's tons of evidence for it.
>>69805664
>It's my thread
It's a communal thread.
We don't believe in individual ownership.
Please report to the department of sharing for reeducation.
>>69805895
Show us some evidence then, you bluepilled faggot.
>>69802162
Who do you think put the niggers in the city?
>>69805391
>You're more of a right wing tinfoil for saying Noam Chomsky was wrong
Well you're more of an idiot for thinking that Chomsky is infallible. He's been documented both by independent sources and even himself, that he's been wrong about multiple subjects.
Sorry your hero isn't as great as he turned out to be. It turns out that he's like the rest of us, prone to error, and not right about everything. There's nothing inherently special or different about Chomsky than the next university "think-tank guy".
>>69802945
My money - my choice.
>>69805971
Look up Dwight Eisenhower he got people to take tons of pictures.
>>69805952
There's still personal property in communism just not private property.
>>69806003
He's educated.
>>69805971
>bluebilled
This faggot is just trying to hone his shitposting skill. Too bad it will never be on par with Australia's shitpost skillets.
>canada
>>69801955
Total lie. They were created to be a firewall between the super rich and the poor to forestall any violent movement against the former. If he stated that then it is another reason why Chomsky is a gatekeeping fucking idiot.
>commie block haters never post the happy looking commie blocks in well-off countries in Asia
>>69805808
>Well you probably went to a college that was sponsored by corporations, which is very common.
>moving the goalposts
>>69805866
What? That doesn't even make sense.
You haven't even posted sauce that Chomsky actually said any of this.
Pretty sure you're just full of shit as I don't think Chomsky is that tinfoil.
No. Suburbs arose from post-WWII demand for housing -- which led to cookie-cutter houses being spat out quickly to keep up.
People want to live in nice areas around other people who want to live in nice areas, hence you get such a grouping.
Whenever you have grouping of ANY kind, more resources are going to be used in that area, naturally; it's not some Big Oil boogeyman shit.
A champagne socialist is someone who talks about and identifies themselves as being someone on the left wing, for example a socialist or communist, but lives a life of indulgence in extremely trivial and material things.
"Dave told me he's a socialist the other day"
"ha, yeah, a champagne socialist more like. Have you seen his new iphone?"
>>69806109
>He's educated.
Well he probably went to a college that was sponsored by corporations, which is very common.
suburbia is fucking horrible
>>69806200
>>69802720
mate he's not gonna get this one, let it go
>>69806316
>>69806187
I don't understand
>>69806194
How do Suburbians prevent a rebellion against the rich?
>>69806200
That still looks depressing. I meant like New York apartments and Big Bang Theory apartments that look really happy.
>>69806202
Ok, you got me there. Fine
>>69806215
Just look up "Noam Chomsky on conspiracies" he says "well there certainly is conspiracies, like the oil companies conspired with governments to create suburbia's which maximize the waste of fossil fuel.
>>69806109
Eisenhower used pictures of starved German civilians and called them Jews.
>>69806200
That's cool. Looks very bland and unspacious. I can't go hunting there.
>>69806423
>>69806316
Looks like concrete hell
Living in cities as middle class is for fucking hipsters and way to expensive.
Countryside is much cheaper, healthier and better.
>>69806235
So what? Am I suppose to give up all my money just because I like socialism? That's like telling a anti-communists living in the Soviet Union "Hey, you talk bad about communism, yet you get your food from the Soviet Union, checkmate hypocrit".
>>69806270
I really enjoyed living in it.
>>69806250
No he went to College in the 60s before that happened.
>>69806431
>Big Bang Theory
Jesus christ, how much of a nu male beta are you?
>>69806431
Are you still posting in my thread without contributing?
>>69801955
No, they are just farms for the government to herd tax payers.
>tfw I will never live in a comfy American suburban house with my nuclear family and dog
>>69806557
Your a hypocrite if you grow up in the west and call yourself a socialist, unless of course you are constantly helping the homeless and the poor. But you are not doing that, you are just enjoying the wealth of your nation created through the free market. Typical spoiled champagne socialist. To the gulag with you
>>69806431
>there are conspiracies
Obviously not tinfoil!
>the only two possible housing arrangements are commie blocks or lifeless suburbs
Americans I fucking swear you guys are dumb as fuck.
nooooo.... suburbs are a result of public schools and once again government intervention on what should be a private good.
the free market creates competition amongst workers for jobs. This creates a demand for quality education.
Schools are funded by property taxes. Parents compete to live in high value neighborhoods with good schools.
As niggers and minorities move into urban centers whites have to keep fleeing farther and farther away to keep their children in good schools
If there were no niggers and spics in this country every major urban center would be much more advanced, efficient, clean and crime free with amazing schools.
>>69806491
How? Germans are blond hair blue eyed and Jews have dark hair, dark eyes, are shorter on average and have different noses. How could he do it?
"The American Dream" was created by the Truman and Eisenhower Administrations as a way to disperse able-bodied citizens over such a large land mass that it would be difficult for the USSR to nuke our labor force into oblivion.
PDF warning. https://cryptome.org/2015/05/TheAmericanDream.pdf
>The lives--individually and collectively--that Americans lead have, in many ways, been planned and designed for them by the realities of war and the necessity to prepare for it. That life has been sold to them through slick advertising/marketing campaigns equating freedom with consumption and production. Such are the foundations of American capitalist democracy along with the necessity to pry
open—and exploit-- new global markets with a military can opener. These harsh realities must be buried in distracting consumption of things that distract citizens from recognizing reality.
>>69806698
American here. You are absolutely retarded. I pointed out rural zones.
Oh, actually, that doesn't fit your narrative. Uhh... I'm not an American. I'm on vacation. Carry on.
P.S. I hope you realize the OP is Canadian poster
>>69806667
I live in a socialist country. Also Europe is socialist so your a hypocrite if you grew up in Europe and called yourself a capitalist.
>>69806698
Fuck off amerilard
>>69806690
You're a rightwing tinfoil.
>>69806714
It was a good response until you started saying niggers.
You retards
He is not referring to the very existence of suburbs, he is referring to the designs for them.
Take an overhead look at most suburbs made in the last 30 years or so and you will see that they are convoluted, often with one way out that serves as the entrance/exit for the neighborhood.
This is actually to make it easier to pursue and catch criminals in those neighborhoods, and also to make the place harder to roll tanks through.
>>69806859
GR8 B8 M8
GUYS LEAVE HIM ALONE HE'S B8TING
IGNORE
>>69806886
I would consider your post but you called me a retard showing you are immature.
>>69806970
You're being removed from this thread for trolling.
>>69806736
>Germans are blond hair blue eyed
... What? At best 50% are. Have you even been to Germany, dumb cunt?
>>69806970
We know. We were waiting for you to realize. I've just been stringing shithead OP for a shitpost, unfortunately, not at the level of Aus.
>>69806825
>I pointed out rural zones
Sorry I didn't read every single post in this thread of back-and-forth quotes.
And I amend my post, I should have said North Americans.
>>69806859
There's a flag system you know.
>>69807048
You can't remove people from my thread.
>>69807048
Good luck with that, you fucking commie. This isnt reddit.
Btw? Niggers are scum of the earth.
>>69801955
Sure thing. Fuck off faggot.
>>69806536
typical lefty bullshit that makes it look like they're unbiased, while sneaking in some obvious strawmen that they can attack.
None of us think the world is fine as is. It's a leftist hellhole being overrun by chaotic niggerdome. The left is the one who should be happy with the way the world is, as they are getting their precious white genocide that will lead us to utopia.
>>69807067
No but have you? I heard if you don't have blond hair blue eyes Hitler wouldn't allow you in the army.
>>69802870
This is the truth. They abandoned the old grid patterns of planning and then made the system into primary seconday and terriary roads laid out like a animals vasular system. This created massive traffic problems because there werent side routes anymore.
Luckily in the usa we now have A 'new urbanist' movement belringing back classic urban planning
>>69804502
There are millions of people in both the West and other countries that support communism and socialism.
>>69801955
Over 95% of the nation's land is undeveloped. Fuck off with your communism.
>>69801955
What a dumb ass. Just ask anyone who works in urban planning: planners, civil engineers, architects, they'll explain why people do it. It's not that complicated guys, just ask an expert, the answers exist.
>>69803879
> home, sweet home!
>>69807222
You could get into any branch if you had any hair or eye color. The SS had "Aryan" requirements.
OP has a lot of retarded opinions.
>>69807146
>niggers are the scum of the earth
Now that is bait.
>>69807178
>>69807146
Why the fuck is everyone being so mean?
>>69807300
Any? I heard he killed anyone with black hair or brown eyes. Any discriminated against those without blond hair blue eyes.
>>69807262
Idiot that doesn't mean it doesn't waste fossil fuels!
>>69806886
>also to make the place harder to roll tanks through
What about carpet bombing?
>>69807222
Leftists being completely historically uneducated, as per usual. My grandad served in the SS Landstorm Nederland. He had brown hair.
>>69807283
Of course they can say 'why' anyone can, its a matter of if when they do bo matter how they justify it is 'best' or if there are equally good alternatives.
Personally i see advantages in clasic urbanism and suburbanism and would like both so people can make a free market choice, as opposed to what US cities have done in demolishing their city centers in occordance to urban planning laws
>>69801955
People still take Known Chumpsky seriously?
>>69807397
Because I don't give a fuck what some stupid retard says. I don't respect his opinions.
Fuck off, faggot.
>>69807531
I thought you had to be Aryan to serve in the SS?
>>69807562
Immaturity calling him names.
>>69807614
Doesn't mean you have to call me a faggot it's not nice you can just disagree.
>>69801955
>Noam Chomsky said
>Listening to Noam Chomsky
>>69807670
>its not nice
Jesus christ cunt, new to 4chan much?
>democrats run big cities
>start offering low rent apartments and housing the negros
>white people get sick of crime and run to the suburbs
This isn't a conspiracy theory, these trends have been well documented and understood for decades, noam chomsky is a fucking idiot
>>69807685
And? My nextdoor neighbor is a Jew and one of the greatest people I ever met. "Jews" are an allegory for the establishment and Noam Chomsky isn't establishment. It's just like when blacks say "the white man" they don't mean every white man.
>>69807790
It's just like when blacks say "the white man" they don't mean every white man
You've never met a black, have you?
>>69807765
No it's just I can have a different opinion.
>>69807783
This was before government had regulations on businesses, it was the 50s when the suburbs started.
Read The Fifties by Halberstam. Simply grew out of a combination of the maturing of those who were born during the great depression wanting their own piece of the American dream - and those returnuning from shooting Japs and Nazis in the face wanting to just be left the fuck alone.
>>69804839
Can I get an example of this propaganda?
>>69801955
It's just a coincidence.
>>69807670
I disagree with Noam Chomsky and his stupid retarded shit.
>>69802399
>That's kind of racist.
Truth hurts leafcuck. Suburbs are fucking comfy btw
>>69807889
Pic related is propaganda
>>69801955
Well, sorta. Oil companies have always lobbied strongly in the government, and the formation of Suburbia was at least partially due to the sudden influx of oil, ease of travel, and development of the automobile, so someone could rationally say that the oil companies lobbied to have the road networks necessary for suburbia built.
I think you'd need a lot of evidence to prove it, but it's a rational conclusion.
>>69807905
I know I enjoyed living in them but maybe because I've been brainwashed by the capitalists.
>>69807903
You can disagree more nicely.
>>69807891
Oh
>>69805995
Jews?
>>69808164
>you enjoy something
>you were brainwashed to enjoy it, though.
>>69801955
He is conflating cause and effect. Cheap oil made suburbia possible. People always want more house and land for less money.
>>69808297
It's just like how we brainwashed the Native Americans to love alcohol even though it's unnatural and they were better off without it.
>>69808084
That's a commercial made by a private company showing a lawn mower. Not propaganda is meant to promote a political point of view.
Obviously most car owners live in suburbs, why would a car company spend more resources on advertising to city dwellers? So for it to be propoganda, it would have to be images like this, made by car companies, telling people to move out to the suburbs,
Not an advertisement selling a product to people who already live in the suburbs.
>>69801955
Chomsky is a joke. A liberal marxist kek.
Every time I hear someone talk about Chomsky it makes me want to go scorched earth. Fuck that guy.
Academic king of Gibs.
>>69804719
>Fuck off scum I've lived in a socialist country for 23 years.
Canada isn't Socialist, they have a large welfare state, there's a difference.
>>69808425
But the government clearly promoted the suburbs as the best way of life.
>>69808430
He's literally the most educated person on the planet. Like he's an expert in philosophy, political science, regular science, economics, history, geography, religion, everything. You do not say he's stupid.
>You don't get it, man, the SYSTEM brainwashed you into choosing a suburb! That's why we need the government to take all choice away from you and force you to live with five other families in a 3 room apartment!
>>69801955
>Noam Chomsky said Suburbia's were created geo-corporate-politically to waste Fossil Fuels as much as possible to make the oil companies richer. Is this true?
No, they were developed because we thought we would never run out of oil and it would be fine to have this type of arrangement.
You think that a bunch of super-geniuses are behind it, plotting away, but in all actuality it was just that some average fuckers decided that suburbs would be a good idea and people listened to them, and now the problems with this arrangement are showing themselves.
>>69808503
We've always been socialist. Government controls the means of production of roads, police, military, science, social security, welfare, prisons, courts, plumbing, and owns a lot of stock in the oil corporations. They own the means of production.
>>69807397
Everything you say relies on the idea that society, almost in it's entirety, is the product of greater power manipulation, and not a result of self-autonomous actors.
Yes we at /pol/ believe in mass manipulation. But most of us are not so stupid as to think manipulation "from the top" is why everything is the way it is.
We definitely see idealised housing developments as a result of consumer demand and you look like a retard thinking it's the result of brainwashing.
Many people here believe in the responsibility of the individual. No matter what their status.
We see societal shifts as being caused not only because of the demands of the powerful, but also because of the demands of the weak.
>>69808613
LOL well apes are happier than us and all live together. But that was a funny comment though.
>>69808729
You're stupid. The demands of the weak don't influence anything.
>>69808395
You keep using the word brainwashed. So riddle me this fag, if our every desire and though is implemented in us (as we are brainwashed), how we can escape it? It seem to me, only option is to change one brainwashing for another.
>>69808789
lol you are pic related
>>69808903
Are you kidding me? We just cancel out propaganda so our natural desires influence us.
>>69809145
Nope, but engineering for a combination of population density and single-family suburban style homes leads to designs that aren't optimal for vehicle travel.
Other ways you can optimise for population without breaching the second story are by just removing roads alltogether, cramming every house into commiehexes or commieblocks, and using underground roadways or something.
>>69809209
Stop with the memes please.
>>69809282
Sorry I like what your saying but I can't understand it.
>>69809145
How do we classify propaganda?
How do we "cancel it out"?
Why is it valuable to follow natural desires?
Do we need something to delineate our natural desires?
>>69809422
Basically anything right wing is propaganda. Just don't allow right wing thought to influence you. Apes are a lot happier than us despite not having anything.
>>69809145
>Are you kidding me?
you are doing it yourself. Even if there are some universal natural desires, I doubt they are living in a 9th floor of concrete building.
>>69809399
I am, therefore I meme. Its my natural desire. Check mate cuck
>>69809664
>>69809819
Stop memeing please.
>>69809593
you are so fucking stupid it blows my mind. you should really look up the meaning of words before you use them
>>69809593
Wow
I thought that a great part of propaganda was about manipulating the media and education.
Funny how the left is controlling both
You are a fucking disgrace to my country, the western civilization and any independant rational human being you fucking leaf
Chomsky sold his soul.
He did some interesting research back in the day, got a lot of attention, and sold his soul.
It is what it is. I wouldn't take anything the rambling old man says too seriously.
It is what it is.
>>69809593
You have to be trolling
Are you implying right wing beliefs are unnatural?
You still haven't even answered my other questions so that's pointless anyways.
>>69809930
No, as great Serbian thinker Šešalj said before jewis Hague court "You can only suck my dick".
>>69804399
looks suspicions
where are cars?
isn't it just for the poorest like in the UK?
>>69809593
Get out of my fucking country.
The fuck is wrong with suburbs?
I'd hate to live in some apartment with people above, below, left and right of me. I want a place to park my car and a garden to spend time in god fucking dammit, fuck off you communist fucks trying to force us into boxes and into your crowded disgusting trains and busses.
go to HECK
>>69809932
You're stupid
>>69810036
Canada isn't Western civilization. We are multicultural and incorporate all cultures. You can't just say "oh that country is Western"
>>69810080
How? He's anti-establishment.
>>69810082
Are animals right wing? No. Are animals natural? Yes. You're a troll get out of here.
>>69810156
What? He really said that.
>>69810270
No you get out. Canada isn't a right wing country.
>>69810350
You're disgusting. They waste fossil fuel and the only reason you like him is because you were brainwashed too.
>>69810572
The only reason I like who?
Sorry but my country advanced far enough to have a higher standard of living than China, India or Africa so I don't want to live the way they do. Infact i'm quite sure that they cause more damage to the environment than my island
So piss off you cuck i'm a human being not an animal and I won't live in a tiny box or be transported like livestock.
>>69810404
I have feeling we are the ones getting memed here. 8/10 m8, good shitposting
btw. I know it is hard for a cuck to believe that somebody to have balls to talk like that, but here is video, but cant find it with subs. Later he even say that he fuck their mothers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnblesC58PE
>>69810773
My country only became advanced in the Trudeau era (previous Trudeau) because of multiculturalism. Before that Canada was a shithole.
>>69810404
>Are animals right wing? No. Are animals natural? Yes.
Are animals potatoes? No. Are animals natural? Yes. Ergo, potatoes aren't natural QED
t. A fucking leaf
This appeal to nature is pointless, that's what I'm trying to get to.
>>69811004
Actually it makes sense because animals are left wing. They believe in collectivism, at least the animals we evolved from. That's why I think it's natural for leftism.
