Time to face reality /pol/. Exactly HOW do you ban muslims from entering the country ? There's several critical questions you need to answer.
First, the constitutionnal argument. Your own constitution prevents your government to discriminate because of religion. You can't even force someone to tell its religion. Are you gonna change your constitution ? Are you gonna demote Islam to a cult ? Are you gonna ignore the same set of rules conservatives are constantly defending ?
Now the feasability argument. How do actually stop muslims coming ? Are you gonna ask everyone's religion ? What if they lie ? Are you gonna ban certain nationalities ? Are you gonna ban every country with Muslims ? Because that's pretty much every country in the world including yours.
We just don't punish people who murder muslims.
They will stop coming on their own after that, I guarantee it
>hello my name is muhamed and I don't not understand american law pls explain
>>69799455
You can't tell with 100% certainty, but a ban on
> anyone with a name like Muhammed or other common Muslim specific names
> anyone with family members called Muhammed
> anyone born in a Muslim country
> anyone born in certain regions of non-Muslim countries associated with Islam (like Uighur Chinese)
> anyone with family members born in a Muslim country
> anyone who has travelled to a Muslim country, especially Saudi Arabia, and isn't obviously there for tourism/business
> anyone who answers "Yes" to "Are you a Muslim"
would have pretty good power to identify a large majority of Muslims, including every single Muslim who committed a terrorist attack in the US to date.
If you want to be really thorough, for people who are just "brown looking", you would single them out for an interview with a trained officer, which is what Israel does for airline security. They would have the power to ask for their Facebook accounts, private email passwords, and other information that could identify them as undesirable.
Racist? Perhaps, but it works to keep Israeli airlines safe.
>>69799543
The regular people won't be coming, the terrorists will still come.
>>69799560
Enlighten me
>>69799668
So you spend 8 hours in the airport anytime you travel ?
>>69799455
Our constitution protects US citizens.
Not foreigners.
Islam is a cult.
>>69799455
mandatory pork eating followed by things like >>69799668
>>69799455
>Your own constitution prevents your government to discriminate because of religion.
Ban people from specific countries, such as syria.
>How do actually stop muslims coming ?
Not letting them on the plane? and if they do come, refuse them to leave the airport and send them back?
>>69799455
> Your own constitution prevents your government to discriminate because of religion.
For citizens. The entire constitution does not apply to non citizens.
>>69800470
Bonus: keeps Jews out.
>>69799892
Being white it won't affect me. Even if you're brown looking as soon as you get your visa it won't be an extra hassle.
The interviews are only for people we've profiled as being likely or possible Muslims via appearance, social media, phone records, etc.
>>69800470
Except we're talking about reality and you know there's absolutly no way this is possible.
>>69800654
You realise there's a shitloads of Muslims from pretty much every countries ? Terrorists in Paris were French.
>>69799892
The "total and complete ban of muslims entering the country" was just tough talk. Most likely it will be a ban on immigration from muslim majority countries. I don't see how we could ban British or French muslims effectively. Remember this is not intending to negatively affect the innocent, only to prevent the enemy from sneaking in among the refugees. I could see the Euro muslims that traveled to the ME in the last 10 years getting banned as well
>>69799455
we don't ban muslims from entering our country. you ban them from entering your continent. the distance between the middle east and here will filter out all the terrorists and rapists, as the distance involved will slow the flow of refugees to a trickle
>>69799455
>Are you gonna demote Islam to a cult
It practically is.
Either way it'd make more sense to simply not let undocumented immigrants in here.
>>69800742
>Except we're talking about reality and you know there's absolutly no way this is possible.
In reality it is, just not that effective.
The most effective way is to first of all make muslims not want to go to the US in the first place. Placing extremely tough policies on muslims in the US is one way to do that.
It would work with mexicans as well and would be cheaper than building a wall.
>>69800742
>Terrorists in Paris were French.
they were arabic muslims
>>69800742
>Terrorists in Paris were French.
LIST OF PARIS TERRORISTS IDENTIFIED TO DATE
> Bilal Hadfi
> Ahmad al-Mohammad
> M. al-Mahmod
> Brahim Abdeslam
> Chakib Akrouh
> Abdelhamid Abaaoud
> Samy Amimour
> Omar Ismail Mostefai
> Foued Mohamed-Aggad
If only there were some pattern in these names we could use to tell them apart from the average Jacques...
>>69799455
>Non citizens are protected by the US constitution
no
>>69800918
>Placing extremely tough policies on muslims in the US is one way to do that.
It will piss of the regular muslims and the terrorists won't have any real difficulties to come in.
>>69800950
They had french passport and could have gone to the US anytime they want.
Ban by nationality just like Jimmy Carter did. Perhaps some sort of intensive interviewing for say, Christians seeking asylum to get out of Muslim countries.
Or, just up the requirements to something like what Australia has. Only taking skilled or professionals (and not people with masters in shariah) would cut down the risk tremendously, I would think, plus people can't claim racism or "islamophobia" because you're still taking the good, educated ones.
>>69800812
>I don't see how we could ban British or French muslims effectively.
See
>>69799668
Of course it can be done. The Israelis have a great record at keeping terrorists out of their airplanes. It just takes thoroughness and a willing to be politically incorrect over profiling.
>>69799455
The US Constitution allows us to create concentration camps of sovereignty is directly or indirectly threatened.
See Manzanar (Japanese internment)
And see martial law/ suspension of habeus corpus in Article 1 of the US constitution (section 8 or 9)
Our based constitution allows us to concentrate Muslims
>>69801000
So you want to ban names ?
>>69799455
It's actually pretty simple, op.
>Step 1: Stop being autistic
>Step 2: Don't accept immigrants from muslim countries
>>69801068
Yes, and a simple ocular pat down would have assessed them as threats.
>>69801096
Yes. If you're called Muhammed or something muslimey, you get the big fuck off.
>>69799455
The constitution only applies to US citizens, we can fuck over the rest of the world
>>69801096
a combination of using common sense as well as banning people from certain countries etc... would work well.
>>69799455
>Your own constitution prevents your government to discriminate because of religion.
That's false
>You can't even force someone to tell its religion.
No problem, then ban entry from Muslims AND those that you have any doubt they are Muslims. If a person refuses to disclose his religion he can be barred entry.
>>69801135
I'd love to see the law proposal for that. Would be hilarious.
>First, the constitutionnal argument.
The Muslim ban is constitutional, according to the Supreme Court. The US Congress can set any border laws it wants, for any reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideological_restrictions_on_naturalization_in_U.S._law
>Beyond the general attachment provision, there are several supplementary specific ideological bars.[43] These exclusions affect anarchists,[44] communists,[45] totalitarians,[45] and advocates of assassination,[46] government overthrow by force,[46] destruction of property,[46] and sabotage.[46]
>>69801229
We'd realistically do it with a computer machine learning algorithm. We feed in the names, birthplaces, travel histories of Muslims and non Muslims.
Then we give you a RAGHEAD score, like a credit score. If it's too high, no entry for you, Muhammed!
>>69799455
Ban all people from muslims nations. Done.
Until islam has been forced to welcome the modern era and the new king of saudi arabia is a transexual Negroid with aids.
Or ban all arabs.
You have your own nation to go to way do you nead to go to america.
>First, the constitutionnal argument.
The Muslim ban is constitutional, according to the Supreme Court. The US Congress can set any border laws it wants, for any reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideological_restrictions_on_naturalization_in_U.S._law
>>69801229
easy, call it reasonable suspicion
>>69799455
>>69799455
>Your own constitution prevents your government to discriminate because of religion. You can't even force someone to tell its religion. Are you gonna change your constitution ?
Our constitution only applies to Americans you communist frog. Even if you've never read the most perfect government document in the history of the world the fact that foreigners' second amendment rights aren't guaranteed by the US government should make it clear.
>How do actually stop muslims coming ?
We can't, plain and simple. But we can stop refugees from middle eastern nations, dudes whose ID's say Mohamed, and anybody darker than a Greek but lighter than an Indian. That should be sufficient to prevent 99.9% of would be terrorists from entering the United States.
Also French food is the best in the world, your country had a proud military history before the 1900's, your philosophers and mathematicians give the Germans a run for their money as far as best continental culture/science.
Why are hell bent on destroying your future and erasing your past by flooding Europe with millions who will not integrate into your society but will be hostile neighbors who will leach your very life from you?
>>69801327
^This, though in practice you could call it "extremism" or "propensity for terrorism."
>>69801096
Yes... that's what he said.
The whole Citizen/non Citizen divide is what made this:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/us-justification-drone-killing-american-citizen-awlaki
Into a story, while the US drones thousands a year.
But globalist scum doesn't understand the concept of state sovereignty, citizenship and closed borders.
Pic related, virtually 100% of the Jews in Israel (80% of the population) are against taking Syrians...
>>69799455
>First, the constitutionnal argument. Your own constitution prevents your government to discriminate because of religion.
the president can ban immigration of groups he deems hostile to the American people, and presidents in the past have done so
>>69801620
As a data analyst, I've got to say employment in national security is definitely looking like a prospect these days.
I've basically got a guaranteed job keeping an eye on millions of towelheads if I ever want one.
>>69799455
After the Iranian hostage crisis Carter stopped all Muslim immigration for years. So it can be done, quite easily in fact. Am I seriously the only person who knows that America has stopped immigrants from specific countrys/religions before? Did everyone else forget?
>>69801584
>your country
Implying this wanker is french and not a shitstain.
>>69801584
>Why are hell bent on destroying your future and erasing your past by flooding Europe with millions who will not integrate into your society but will be hostile neighbors who will leach your very life from you?
He is likely a slime
>>69801837
That was from specific nations. A blanket ban on members of a certain religion would be a new thing, but it's certainly not against the US constitution.
>>69799455
Fuck the old Jew-riddled constitution
>>69799455
>First, the constitutionnal argument. Your own constitution prevents your government to discriminate because of religion.
THEY ARE FOREIGN INVADERS
THEY HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
>>69799455
All immigrants trying to enter the Us will have to pass the "Bacon Exam". In this exam applicants will have to eat several pieces of freshly cooked delicious bacon. Heavy bacon grease too of course. Refusal to eat said delicious bacon will be an immediate fail and they will be sent back within 24 hours.
>>69799455
>Constitutional Argument
There is a part of the constitution that lets us ban entry for certain people in times of war.
>Demote Islam to a cult
It is. Check all the organizations needs to be a cult. Islam has everyone.
>Feasibility argument
The only way into US is boat, plane, or mexican boarder. Mexican boarder = Wall, Boat, shoot it.
Plane = Deny them entrance onto plane.
>>69801327
>Raghead score
10/10
>>69801984
They then have to watch 30 minutes of vigorous gay pornography.
>>69801984
Honestly it's not good enough, I think the Muslims ban is not severe enough anyway.
You should be banned from entering if any of your relatives are Muslims or your parents or grandparents. Too high of a risk that some dude would get radicalized later on in life.
Many of the terrorists were just criminals earlier in their lives.
1) First, the constitutional argument.
You're missing.... NO, you're completely ignoring the fact that you can keep people out. The Constitution applies to US citizens and SOMEWHAT to visitors on US soil. It does not extend to people in France. France has its own laws. French citizens have their own country's laws which applies to them. The Constitution does NOT apply worldwide. Do you think the US laws apply to the REST OF THE WORLD and to EVERYBODY ELSE in the WHOLE WORLD? That's an insane presumption to start from. You don't get to have our rights, your country gives you your own rights.
2) Feasibility. The US deports about 1-2 million illegal immigrants a year, even during the Obama administration. He's deported 8 million illegal immigrants himself during his term. This is not hard.
We do keep people from coming in. The US already vets immigrants and denies many requests. Stop pretending this is new shit. But too many are SNEAKING in.
>>69799455
Tell them the statistics show they are a violent cult, and the citizens have unilaterally decided muslims are not welcome.
It's as simple as that.
>>69799455
First, you know nothing about the Constitution.
Secondly, on all travel visas we ask, "Are you a Muslim?"
If the person answers 'yes,' they are banned.
If they appear to be Muslim and answer 'no,' they're investigated. If it turns out they're lying, they're banned.
As for your whining about their civil rights, well, let's face it - not all religions are equal. And when it comes to Islam, they're dangerous. As for 'muh poor Muslims' that's just the Muslims crying in pain as they machine gun you.
They aren't American
>>69799455
Constitution only applies to citizens. Fuck off Ahmed
Best case scenario is that trump wins and then millions of leftists flock to Canada and Europe, including Muslims and minorities.
I worry about trump winning the general though for whatever reason.
Hook them up to a polygraph, offer them an 8 year old bride, deport anyone who reacts positively to the idea.
>>69802337
> your country gives you your own rights.
The goverment doesn't give you your rights. You give yourself those rights, you have them, and if the gov wants to take them away... then it's up to you to submit or fight.
The fact that most of the EU submitted to a weapons ban doesn't mean they do not have the right to bare arms, just that they relinquished it, or refused to fight for it.
>"Birth certificate pls."
>Religion: Muslim
>"We're sorry. Your application has been rejected."
Muslim majority countries already discriminate based on religion. They list religion as part of their identification, so just check the identification.
>>69799455
1. ban it as an anti-democratic and hostile ideology. no biggi
2. start putting pressure on force assimilating with forced conversion while running a program with financial incentives for muslims to return to their own shithole. ban all minarets, halal food, burks etc in public.
>>69799455
>cut off welfare
>problem solved
Just look ad Poorland
>Your own Constit--
Refugees aren't citizens.
>>69801000
what the hell are you talking about those are all french names
>>69799455
fuck off french muslim
we had a quota system to restrict immigration from particular countries for decades
arab immigration was literally banned for decades
we had a data-driven policy based on crime rates, productivity, ability to integrate of various nationalities
the only reason it was changed was because of """"muh holocaust"""" and now our policy is based on emotion instead of reason
>>69799455
BLTs at every border crossing and customs desk at the airports. If you don't eat one, you don't get in.
>>69799455
it's simple we enclose every civilized country with a ditch filled with pig's blood deep enough to drown in it, followed by the word "allah" large enough to not jump over it and then the same with qurans.
i've drawn a picture of it
>>69799455
Don't exist some drugs that force you to say only the truth? That could make them confess their islamic faith, plus a psychological assessment and inb4 It sounds stupid, we could even force them eat pork, drink alcohol or destroy/profane a Quran. If this fails, just ban any immigration from Islamic majorities countries.
>>69799455
irrevocably btfo, like w hiny sjw lefty faggot
>>69805454
Thing is, a lot of Muslim terrorists aren't that devout.
The Belgian guy hung out in gay bars.
It's just background. If they're Muslim ethnicity, they need to be kept out.
>>69799455
....It wouldn't be a Star of David though... It would be the Moon with a star.
>>69805833
That's an 8-sided Muslim star.
>>69799455
>Your own constitution prevents your government to discriminate because of religion.
Against citizens of the United States, genius. The U.S. Constitution is not a document for the entire planet.
>>69800742
>Terrorists in Paris were French.
EL OH ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
Yeah buddy, sure. "French" people wanted to hurt other French people for their French ways.
>>69801068
Were they born in France? Were their parents born in France?
Were they white?
Just ban all brown people. That takes care of 98% of the problem right there.
>>69799455
By banning Muslims from entering the country.
How retarded are you?
>>69799455
>Are you gonna ask everyone's religion ?
If you see someone named Khaled Sheikh Mohammed or Salah abd-es-Salam you don't need to ask you stupid Algerian fuck. What's your name? Nordine? Karim? Rachid? It's really easy.
Muzzies have muzzy names, and if they don't one of their parents do. It's really not that hard, yet why do liberal retards think it's impossible to tell who's a mudshit without asking?
Hire some Lebs, they're pretty good at the guess the muzzie name game.
>>69805370
kek
>>69799455
>First, the constitutionnal argument. Your own constitution prevents your government to discriminate because of religion.
First, that's wrong. The president has the power to restrict entry and immigration of any class of people he sees fit.
8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens, section F.
>Are you gonna ban certain nationalities ?
Yes.
>Are you gonna ban every country with Muslims ?
No. The most logical step would be to implement controls on nations with known terrorist groups, ie: Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Jordan, Yemen etc. - either outright travel bans or intense vetting prior to entry.
It's not exactly rocket science here.
>>69799668
Also
>ban on headscarves and religious clothing in public
>>69799455
You don't allow muslims or the poorly background-checked in.
If we can't tell that they're not a Muslim 100%, then we don't need them anyway.
>>69807533
I'd say the opposite. Let people wear what they want, and if they start wearing hijabs after they immigrate... kick them out.
I don't know about you guys but I can identify a muslim from 200 meters out, and smell them from 10
Eat pork. Tear up the koran. Enemies of the state dont got no rights.
Make brown people eat pork
>>69799455
Easy, make bacon consumption a prerequisite for entering the united states.
God i love how dumb muslims are, their religion and beleif system can be used as a fucking fail proof weapon against them.
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>>69807807
>the year is 2021
>people must eat pork to prove they're not Muslim before entering the USA
>the year is 2031
>India has become an enemy super power
>people must take the poo to the loo to prove they're not Indian before entering the USA
>you get courageous and pull down your pants but a gust of cold air on your butt spooks you and sends running
>the loo witch thwarted you again
>>69807798
Really? Only 10? I can smell saudi arabia from new england
>>69799455
>How to ban Muslims
Ban Islam, the faith Muslims practice.
>>69805830
In my opinion, drugs forcing to say the truth are the best option If those drugs really works and if not, we should research for one. We could be able to detain terrorist even in the case you have quoted.
>>69808326
oh wow why has no one ever thought about that or tries that before I wonder?
>>69799455
It's simple. We ban them by race and put the domestic ones in concentration camps, just like we did to those filthy Japs during WW2.
>>69808326
They don't. And besides, some of the terrorists are just "culturally" Muslim.
It is actually ridiculously easy to tell if someone is a Muslim just from name alone.
>>69799455
>France
>Voted for a socialist who replaced millionaires for Muslims
France doesn't get to lecture any other country about Muslim immigration, with perhaps the exception of Sweden.
>>69808394
But nobody's worried about Muslims breeding in the US, idiot.
They're a terrorist threat. Very simple.
>>69801068
if it'll piss off regular muslims maybe they'll do something about ISIS themselves then?
Freedom of religion does not cover violent, hateful acts against others in the name of a religion, and violent acts are a requirement of islam. """Muh moderate muslims""" are little more than sleeper agents.
>>69799455
DONT TAKE ANY CHANCES.IF YOURE NOT WHITE THEN BACK YOU GO.
>>69799455
That's not how any of that works.
The best way to identify shills is their offensive and verbose stupidity.
Europe, Go Australian! Tell Them NO WAY!
>>69801984
You know the Koran allows for consumption of banned foods when they are being forced to eat it, right?
>>69808537
yeah, like join them
>>69808432
I also though about "culturally muslim non believers". They should spend enought time under psychological watch to ascertain about their harmlessless, If possible in terms of money and resources basically. If not possible or not reliable at all, as you already said, just ban immigration from Islamic countries, even atheist.
>>69808379
Well, from my limited knowledge about those drugs, they are in an early experimental phase, but It could be very useful if It's finally developed, not only for immigration issues, but for any justice matter.
>>69799455
>First, the constitutionnal argument. Your own constitution prevents your government to discriminate because of religion.
The Constitution applies only to American citizens.
There is already a provision in the US Code that the President can exclude any entrant OR CLASS OF ENTRANTS based on any criteria he pleases, either permanently or temporarily.
>>69799892
>the terrorists will still come
Not if we hand them at the airports right upon entry.
Force feed everyone bacon and the ones, who refuse will be hung.
As simple as that.
>>69799455
>Are you gonna ask everyone's religion ? What if they lie ?
if they can't prove they're not muslim they don't get in. burden of proof is on them.
>>69799455
I didn't know the constitution aplied to non-US citizens :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
>>69799455
Feasibility wise, just ask every new immigrant to draw Muhammad. A stick figure with the word "The Prophet Muhammad" and an arrow would do it.
Realistically though, Trump will abandon that promise as soon as he gets the nomination.
>>69803031
That would also keep out the genuine apostates with fatwas on them for leaving the sect though. I mean sure, omelettes and eggs, but I still think getting everyone to draw Muhammad would be not only funnier but more effective.
>>69801761
why the fuck wouldnt they be?
israel is the no.1 enemy over there
Offer them a piece of bacon and if they say no then send them back.
>>69803031
>Muslim majority countries already discriminate based on religion
this is true
try building a christian chuch in saudi arabia
