Why is America so bad at nation building? We did so well with Germany, Japan, and South Korea. Why did we fail so miserably Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq?
>>69797946
Germany, Japan, and Korea where nations millenias
before you "built" them.
>>69797946
correction germany, japan and south kroea built themselves. usa is pretty much useless except for giving away money like a dumb spouse that is a walking wallet
>>69798044
And my dubs of course speak truth.
>>69798044
This.
You can rebuild a house out of a pile of rubble but you can't make anything from piles of dirt and shit.
>>69798044
This
>>69798044
>>69797946
because asians and whites are willing to build.
also, vietnam we were trying to support a really corrupt and shitty "democratic" government. same with south korea too until the 1970's i think.
>>69798044
>Germany was already a nation
It took the American general Bismarck to create the German nation. Before that you were a collection of shitty little states.
>>69798289
my dubs are a point higher
>>69798044
FPBP
>>69797946
There never was, and never will be any real plans for Iraq.
>>69798372
What the heck are you talking about?
>>69797946
>Why did we fail so miserably Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq?
Because that was the plan. If Iraq would have been stable your masters wouldn't have been able to use it as a breeding ground for ISIS which was then to be used as a tool to remove Assad.
>>69798372
kek'd aloud
What if we really weren't nation building though?
>>69798310
Mudbricks or adobe if you have lime. Ironically, the preferred building materials in the nations we've invaded recently.
>>69798538
the great american general m8. never heard of bismark? wow german education is worse than i thought
I would argue that we """succeeded""" in Vietnam because they didn't end up like Afghanistan or Iraq once the occupying forces left.
>>69797946
You're not suppose to build up nations after you destroy them in war.
You are supposed to send colonies there to rebuild on their own with stolen money and resources. A classic Machiavellian move.
>>69797946
I wouldn't consider the puppet globalist government of post war Germany an example of a successful nation rebuild.
But to answer your question on the terms I believe you're asking, compare the populations (by race and culture) of Germany, Japan and Korea to Afghanistan, Vietnam and Iraq. There's your answer.
>>69798538
>German education
Keep eating your German propaganda m8, everybody know Bismark was an american that created Germany.
>>69798556
Because we were worried about Assad before 9/11. That's y we fakes it ha.
Why don't people know the difference between conquest and war?
Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, all campaigns.
The UN is now a Muslim kiss ass club.
>>69797946
it's because american control were near total in those successful countries
then america started half assing it in the other countries, just sending "advisors" and shit
america's track record pretty much proves that people respect conquerors more than puppets
>>69797946
we didn't really fail at afghanistan or iraq so much as we did at vietnam
Vietnam used to be french occupied and the french didn't/couldn't deal with the rebels and guerilla warfare. The french leave and communism starts taking over and then the US intervenes because communism. The US didn't do anything different than what the french did. Guerilla warfare really fucked up the entire war and allowed the vietcong to pretty much do what ever they want. Another issue was that Vietcong was using Laos and other neighboring countries as supply routes the US couldn't invade or stop
>>69799073
Bismark was Prussian, he united all the German States with the exception of Austria to create the German empire under Prussian leadership. BTW I hope you're joking, don't embarrass Americans.
>>69799658
Keep drinking the kool-aid, kid. Next thing you're going to tell me that Napoleon wasn't actually British.
>>69799658
>American education
Oh, man.
Next you are going to claim that George Washington and 80% of the founding fathers weren't actually from Sub-Saharan Africa.
>>69799080
>Because we were worried about Assad before 9/11.
Some one was.
>>69800866
>10 days after 9/11
>March 2nd, 2007
What the fug
>>69801075
I agree with the Aussiebro here. This requires explanation.
Is this a real question?
You have societies that have traditionally had western values or strong national identities versus literally nothing.
>>69801117
He's not reading the memo. That's a quote the guy gave about the memo on that day in 2007.
Actual autism is showing.
>>69801075
>What the fug
>>69801117
>This requires explanation.
Wesley Clark (yes, he is a jew) talks about a meeting he had with his former military bros.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
Ever heard of project for a new american century?
>>69801117
>>69801075
>You guys are killing me
That memo wasnt released until 2007.
The memo was dated 10 days after sept2001
the russians caused the chaos in afghanistan (it was already beyond repair)
the french caused the chaos in vietnam (it was already beyond repair)
we relit a fire that sadam had contained in iraq
>>69801426
The US government supported and funded Iraq in the 80s when they were fighting our enemy the Iranians
>>69797946
>South Korea? Vietnam?
Iraq and Afghanistan are artificial constructs, multicultural and multiconfessional
>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/multiconfessional
kek
>>69797946
tbqh if you had outright won the vietnam war the following 'nation building' would probably have worked well due to the Vietnamese having a sense of national belonging and pride.
Afghan/Iraq doesn't have this. Iraq is basically three nations (Sunnis, Shia, Kurds) in one, and Afghan is a complete shitshow where the highest form of authority for most of the population are basically tribal leaders.
>>69797946
Because the war literally killed the vast majority of men of fighting age in Japan and Germany, this was what was required to actually break the will of a society.
The US has not been committed to actually win a war since WW2, the commitment requires annihilation of the population of men age 16-40 in the society.
>>69798044
>Iraq
>Literally sitting on the Tigris and Euphrates
>>69799658
> don't embarrass Americans
you ruined the joke just an hero faggot
>>69797946
Our side lost Vietnam so we didn't have a chance to nation build there, but they built it themselves and are doing fairly well nowadays. You don't see radical Vietcong suicide bombing Americans who visit there on holiday, it's a stable and proud country that just wanted to rule itself rather than be an American puppet.
>>69797946
We left
>>69797946
We lost the first and the others are full of backward thinking Muslims.
>>69801740
Multiconfessional doesn't really mean much.
Germany is biconfessional to the extreme and had the bloodiest "religious" war of all time happen and it's stable
>>69801426
The russians basically did what the US tried/is trying to do in Afghanistan now. There was a secular government being attacked by jihadists, the Soviets backed the secular government and tried to kill the jihadis. They failed because of US support of the jihadis. Now we are trying to kill the jihadis.
>>69802053
>Because the war literally killed the vast majority of men of fighting age in Japan and Germany
But that's wrong.
>>69802157
We lost Vietnam because we didn't do what was required to win which is mass bombing and killing of the civilian population.
Vietnam is extremely corrupt these days and dressed up in brochures and you can lay on the beach and ride elephants for LOLs but its still a horrible backwards country with totalitarian rule.
>>69799658
Fuck outta here, m8.
Next you're gonna say Charlemange wasn't Polish?
>>69802589
Well gIven that half the population was on our side I don't think mass extermination was really the right choice in this particular case. Pretty much all countries are extremely corrupt, including the U.S., I was just saying it is at least stable and functional and therefore different from the other failed state examples the op listed.
>>69797946
Same reason it's impossible to build a good nation in Africa.
>>69802332
>They failed because of US support of the jihadis. Now we are trying to kill the jihadis.
Shiiiiiiieeeet
>>69798538
bismark was american you dope this is common knowledge
>>69798258
>A FUCKING CANAL
(THAT WE BUILT)
>>69797946
Retarded planning, the left forcing us to leave before we should have.
>>69801394
Sven knows what's up.
/Pol/ has really lost its way if posters really don't know about this shit.
>>69803202
6 of the 13 fastest growing economies in the world are in Africa.
I don't doubt that most of the continent will be developed in our lifetime. (Unless you're like 65)
>>69803267
holy shit
>>69803267
Wow, what went wrong?
>>69797946
you didn't build shit in any of those nations retarded mongoloid, you destroyed them.
>>69804284
We abandoned them.
Same thing happened in Vietnam, the OSS trained Ho Chi Minh to fight the Vichy French government and the Japanese occupation of Vietnam in WW2.
After he got Bao Dai to abdicate the throne of Vietnam, the US ignored his requests to recognize the independent nation of Vietnam, despite repeated petitions to Truman and US support of the Viet Minh movement during WW2.
