>we can't ban guns, the bad guys will just find another way to kill people!
>we should totally ban muslims from entering, that will stop the terrorist attacks!
Well /pol/, which one is it?
and with a dick in your pants you is a rapist asshole?
Two different arguments.
You obese maple syrup drinking asshole
I swear to god
Fucking Canucks and their bait
>>69798105
The only difference is that not every Muslim is a terrorist, but every gun is a tool designed to kill.
>>69797877
>Muslims are a tool
>>69798042
>frog in charge of the english language
Ban Muslim Immigration Temporarly.
Thats what Trump said. Not ban all muslims. Plus it's a lot easier to ban something when it's outside your country than when it's already in it.
>>69797877
People can't make muslims in their basement
>>69797877
Pot leaf flag lmao
>>69797877
You literally just compared muslims to guns
Thats the whole point, man
>>69797877
>Muslim immigration. Almost completely preventable as of right now
>Illegal gun importation. Almost completely impossible to stop as of right now
>>69797877
Both.
>Guns are inanimate objects whose instruction manuals stress for safety of use.
>Muslims practice a religion whose holy book says to kill non-believers.
>>69797877
logical fallacy OP, drawing false parallels between two discrete issues
>>69798175
It is a lot harder to machine out and assemble a muslim terrorist in someone's garage.
>>69797877
This argument is fucking retarded.
kill yourself.
>>69797877
>where in the constitution does it protect the right of crazy muzzies from immigrating to the us?
oh, thats right....
>where in the constitution does it protect my right to keep and bear arms?
shall not be infridged
>>69797877
Guns do not choose to kill
Muslims do choose to not integrate
harder to smuggle humans than it is to smuggle guns
>>69798175
And what am I supposed to do when a 300 pound steroid and meth user decides I deserve to die so he can rape my woman?
>>69797877
Banning muslims has the added benefit of helping keep a country white. Since the majority of gun deaths are nonwhites then legal guns also help keep the country white.
>>69798280
Speak for yourself. Batch #3954 is coming along nicely.
>>69797877
I don't know, you tell me.
By the way, when was the last time you heard of a terrorist attack in Poland?
>>69797877
You can't buy Muslims on the black market.
>>69798280
>>69798341
You can sit in front of a computer in your mom's basement and get turned into a white supremacist. And white supremacists are greater threats than Muslims, as shown by statistics.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/statistics-show-white-supremacy-bigger-004327404.html
Can we rangeban Canadians yet? I swear to god every shitpost I see now is Canadian, nobody else is even shitposting
>>69797877
Renting a home puts you at a higher risk of being murdered or abused than just owning a gun does.
>>69797877
What's with the Cuckleaf shitposting lately? Are they just mad Weedman didn't legalize weed as he promised?
>>69797877
Guns are for protection from governments, not people. Arm urself against government ladies and gents
>>69797877
guns are a right
immigration is not
Also the purpose of banning muslims is to reduce the amount of muslims
The problem is the left will not admit that their motivation for banning guns is not to stop criminals from getting them but to reduce the number of armed civilians
>>69797877
Guns are a type of weapon
Muslims are people who follow a religion of murder
Guns can be hidden and smuggled easily and other weapons like Knives can kill instead.
Or crossbows, bow and arrows etc.
Muslims aren't easily hidden, they're smelly and take up a lot more space and require oxygen and food etc.
Americans can't into gun safety.
>muh both hands
Still storing them loaded in the bedside table, safety off.
Dumb fuckers.
>>69798548
A tool isn't evil. However people can be evil. Therefore it makes more sense to ban people than it does to ban gun.
>>69797877
>my country is so boring and pathetic I need to spend my time focused on American politics
You worthless fucking leaf.
>>69798740
Freedom of movement is a human right.
>>69797877
There is no reason to let muslims into the country other than pure, 100% altruism. Our society can't exist without guns because guns regulate government tyranny.
False equivalence.
>>69798861
There is nothing wrong with storing guns loaded as long as you do not have children around.
>>69798909
Not through borders it isn't.
>>69798583
it's 3am here m8, we've only got a skeleton shift shitposting atm.
>>69798909
human rights are not a real thing
>>69798890
>A tool isn't evil
Here's a debate challenge: Explain the existence of nukes without lowering the argument to "2 wrongs make a right".
>>69798175
That is retarded.
A large percentage of guns are tools for target practice or entertainment.
>>69798861
Britcuck on vacation or proxycuck?
If Muslims are banned and they really can't enter, then they really can't enter.
If guns are banned, they're always available on the black market because of the ease of smuggling small, inanimate objects.
>>69798909
when can catholics move to mecca then?
>>69798909
Yeah, in your own country
>>69798944
>Our society can't exist without guns because guns regulate government tyranny.
> he actually believes this
>>69798909
>human rights
Hilarious, I just wrote here on a piece of paper that it's my right to be the eternal king of Canada.
Canadians don't seem to care, you know why?
Because any right and law needs a physical enforcement.
It's the will of the people to keep the shitskins out, they're free to try to enforce their freedom of movement if they deem it a cause worth dying for.
>>69799014
Insurance.
>>69798909
There is no such thing as a Human Right pleb.bit.
Please tell me who guarantees these 'Human Rights'?
>>69798909
Human rights: UN meme shit
Constitutional rights: what actually matters
>>69797877
Guns are a private property, muslims are not
next
>>69798861
>safety off
Lol, the handgun I'm concealing right now doesn't even have a safety. I hope that triggers you, pussy.
>>69797877
Guns don't have religion of war or murder culture. But yeah guns should be prohibited for Muslims and niggers. They touch guns their hands are cut off. No exceptions.
>>69799194
Insurance from being nuked?
That's a loop logic, doesn't explain why nukes exist without being evil.
There isn't even anything to debate, the OP is a canadian.
Canadians are terrible.
>>69799311
To further research nuclear technology, their existence and creation allowing better nuclear power production.
>>69799168
If we didnt have guns we would be you
>>69798909
>freedom of movement is a human right
I'm moving into your house brah.
>>69799389
Nuclear bombs are as far as it gets from peaceful uses of nuclear science, try again.
I store my gun safety on in my safe.
Also finger never touches the trigger anyways.
>>69799311
The logic is that you get the doomsday device before your potential enemies, or soon enough that they can't bully you around with theirs.
>doesn't explain why nukes exist without being evil.
An object doesn't have feelings one way or the other.
Once the discovery of nuclear energy happened, nuclear proliferation became inevitable. It's the very same nuclear proliferation that keeps the world relatively peaceful. There's nothing evil in this.
>>69798548
Sure thing, lad.
>>69799442
> But their evil
Retard I just gave you a non evil purpose for existence of nukes.
You can't just dismiss it by repeating yourself you potato.
>>69799442
Discovering uncontrollable chain reactions is an unavoidable part of nuclear science.
>>69797877
Some say
>Ban niggers and sandniggers from the country and then violence will drop significantly.
Those people are smart.
Your argument is spoken by two different people.
Ban assault muslims.
>>69798548
>yahoo
Since you like 'statistics' so much, why not look at black violence? 13% of the population causing the majority of all violent crimes...
If this country wants to ban guns, then we should go through the only proper channel: an amendment to the Constitution. What is unacceptable is trying to ban guns via statutes and regulations, which politicians seem so intent on doing.
>>69798548
If you follow their sources, this is where they're getting their numbers.
http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html
This is the NY Times article they were referring to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html
Looks like jihadists have caught up fast. Also, if we move the date back one day farther than that study shows records for, you get 3011 for the jihadists and 48 for far right-wing terrorists (defined as white supremacists, antigovernment fanatics and other non-Muslim extremists). Its funny how they classify non-muslim extremist as automatically far right, isn't it? Another interesting tidbit is that on the far-right side, the crimes were committed for a wide variety of reasons, from racism to government contempt, while jihadists, by definition, commit their crimes in the name of Islam.
Kindly go fuck yourself.
>Using shitty arguments debunked 20 years ago like "22 time more likely"
Anti-gun fags are as delusional as young earth creationists. They get proven wrong, then keep repeating the same shit for 20 years hoping no one will remember.
>>69799447
>storing your guns loaded
i have most of my guns stored unloaded, with a loaded magazine or a few shells nearby if i need them
then i have my home defence gun that is not locked up, it is stored loaded somewhere i could get at a moments notice, its a cheap gun that shoots a quiet round, im not getting my 2000 dollar rifle taken away for shooting some methhead nigger in my house, and im not waking up the entire neighborhood with >>69799447
556 rounds flying through my walls with the loudest noise any of these old jews has ever heard, florida btw
>>69799655
Can the constitution be amended with blatantly unconstitutional clauses?
>>69799598
You do realize white people still commit most of the crime in your country? That most murdered white people are killed by other whites? Where is the outcry over white on white violence?
>>69797877
guns aren't sentient
>>69798498
Underrated
>>69799478
There would be no need for MAD if nuclear bombs didn't exist.
The one thing I could with straight face say is objective evil - it would be exactly nukes.
Guns have multiple purposes such as hunting, defense from wild animals and so on, disregarding the obvious use for wars and murders.
But nukes? They literally nothing but mass murder devices, yield too big to be practical for surgical military strikes, designed specifically to utterly devastate civilian population.
I know someone will go JAPS WERE EVIL TOO, SAVING TROOP LIVES yadda yadda, but then it's 2 wrongs fallacy and while indeed saving the troops, the whole idea of nukes brought world to a rat race where one side needs to keep considerable arsenal of mass murder weapons to keep the other side from using theirs, without clear idea who is more likely to use it (see cold war and how close it got to actual shitstorm).
tl;dr, nukes are designed specifically to target civilians in mass amounts, there's no justification in its existence despite its use being arguably justified.
>>69799168
> he actually believes UK is as tyrannical as Murica
> he actually believes the US military couldn't crush any uprising
Amazing
>>69799731
White make up the majority of the population also
>whites
Truth is, crime would go down by more than half when 'minorities' are taken out of the equation.
>>69799717
as long as it's done through the prescribed methods, then yes, it's inherently not unconstitutional because it's in the constitution.
>>69799731
>why do the majority of the population represent a majority in other statistics
>what is the gross over-representation of blacks in US crime statistics
Oh fucking rubbish bait you moosefucking syrupnigger.
>>69797877
Don't ban muslims just ban mass immigration because mass immigrants don't integrate and eventually turn to hate
>>69799842
>>69799852
I never got this
Do all the criminals sign up as hispanic white or what? do they think it'll give them better treatment?
>>69797877
>ban guns
>don't stop gun circulation, but now upstanding citizens can't defend themselves against criminals who still have guns
>ban Muslims
>stop Muslim circulation; it's now profoundly more difficult for ISIS to infiltrate your country and carry out terrorist attacks, since they can't blend in
Do you see how retarded your argument is, you pathetic fucking leaf? Christ, Ausbros, please help us remove this cancerous filth from the board. You are kind and funny shitposters. You bring the bantz, and whenever I see your flag in a thread I smile and it warms my heart. Canadians, on the other hand, are unfunny fucking faggots who shitpost in the most literal sense of the word.
>>69799833
We can't remove them all from existence forever since the science is already widely known and could be rediscovered even if it was forgotten. Therefore the presence of evil in the world dictates the peacefulness of owning nukes as a deterrent.Their only purpose nowadays for everyone but evil people is peace.
>>69799833
>There would be no need for MAD if nuclear bombs didn't exist.
There would be no nuclear bombs if particle physics did not exist.
>there's no justification in its existence
A bit like there's no justification for comets to exist but you just have to deal with the fact they exist and protect yourself from them.
>>69799842
>literal police state
>thinking that the military wouldn't BE the 'uprising'
Anon....
>>69798105
not an argument
>>69800038
I'm interested, how would banning muslims stop muslim circulation. There are dozens of cases of religions being banned throughout history and yet they continue to practice
>>69799957
That's actually a good point. Thanks.
GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.
MUSLIMS KILL PEOPLE.
MUSLIMS OPPRESS PEOPLE.
MUSLIMS HATE FREEDOM.
>>69799598
A disproportionate amount, yes. But not the majority.
>>69799852
There is a difference between ethnicity and race.
While Hispanics are often classified as "white" in some records, in crime stats like pic related they are classified as Hispanic.
t. someone who interned at a detention center and booked criminals.
>>69800202
Ban based on country of origin (up through several generations) rather than asking "are you or have you ever been a fucking ISIS member?"
The whole religion part would be a secondary filter. Wearing a niqab or an Islamic skullcap? You are straightaway marking yourself out as a Muslim are you are not permitted to immigrate.
>>69799854
The one exception is that no amendment may change the representation of the states in the Senate.
>>69799957
Is Patrick Henry quote thats mentioned here the "liberty or death" one or is there another that applies?
>hurr chances to be hurt by something are much greater when said thing is actually there durr
don't reproduce
>>69797877
why not both?
>>69799852
whyte ppl smdh
>>69799717
Yes. And the constitution itself can also be changed.
At one point it defined the representation of blacks as 2/5ths and allowed slavery. But the 13th amendment banned slavery, contradicting the constitution. And the 14th amendment deemed everyone who is born here a citizen who is therefore to be granted equal representation, which contradicts the constitution.
>>69800210
Another point is that "government tyranny" doesn't have to come in the form of the entire federal government and military all acting in concert to suppress the populace. It can be as simple as a corrupt sheriff running a protection racket in a single rural county. Something that can be and has been resolved by armed citizens after all other avenues of recourse were exhausted. Pic related.
![80024887_b8280b26[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/Y33GpcB.gif "80024887_b8280b26[1].gif")
>>69797877
People aren't magically more likely to be murdered because they keep a gun; you've mistaken the cause for the effect. People get a gun because they are more likely to be murdered. The dentist living in his 4500 square foot McMansion at the end of a long, camera monitored driveway within his gated community doesn't see as much need to keep a piece at the ready as I do typing this in my mediocre apartment on MLK Boulevard trying to gauge the direction and distance of nearby gunshots.
And the majority of minors killed by firearms aren't angelic little children that found daddy's loaded pistol in a shoe box in the closet. They're this guy.
The stat on abused women is definitely true. That's why anyone in our country with a DV conviction loses their right to firearms for the rest of their life.
>>69800681
See >>69800392
I really wish this meme would die.
"Hispanic" isn't a race so they are classified as white in the race category.
But in statistics there is always an ethnic Hispanic section that accounts for them.
Yes it's confusing and non-sensicle but in crime stats those people are not in the "white" category.
>>69797877
Because only muslims kill in the name of Islam
Either we gave enough problems why import more?
>>69797877
>guns control your mind
Nigger this only scares ignorant liberals. I've had a pack of cigarettes in my room for a year and it hasn't killed me yet.
>>69801037
I guess it goes to show there's always some shit you never hear about. I struggle to envision something like the event described in that image happening today though, seems like the national guard would be calling in short order.
>>69797877
I'll take 300 million guns over 300 million kebabs any day.
>tfw canuck wants to live in a muslim majority country
>>69799833
>implying MAD is a bad thing
MAD has made large scale war too costly to engage in. As a result, the 70 years since the advent of the atomic weapon have been the most peaceful in human history. War is not completely gone, but it is far less common than it once was, and far less intense than what it peaked at right before the invention of the atom bomb.
Atomic weapons have done more to create peace in this world than all the diplomats and activists in human history.
>>69801937
A very fragile peace balancing on a needle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov
Imagine the guy didn't keep his cool.
>>69797877
>banning an object that can't do anything without a shooter
>ban a group of people who will commit terrorist attacks with or without said object
Pick one
>>69801578
Maybe. But in that kind of situation, forcing everyone to acknowledge the shit that's going on is a win for the people.
>>69799442
Nuclear weapons give smaller otherwise not taken seriously countries to have a place at the "big boy" table when negotiating treaties and trade.
>>69802346
>The cost of war is so high that militaries are now super cautious about starting shit with a rival super power.
Thanks for proving me right :D
>>69800681
all those manlets
>>69797877
Where does it say in the US constitution that its people have a right to bear Muslims?
>>69799075
RARE /K/ DUCK
sleep tight quacker
>>69797877
sooo, guns are people?
>>69799250
Greetings, revolver brethren!
...Wait, it's not a Glock, is it?
>>69797877
>No sources the image.
>>69799513
I hope trump also bans anarchists
>>69797877
>inanimate objects and people are the same
>>69797877
If you dont like guns DONT GET ONE
dont make ME change my way of life for YOU
you SELFISH, TOXIC, IGNORANT, AUTHORTARIAN piece of fucking SHIT
>>69797877
We cannot ban guns because we kill bad guys with them
We should totally ban muslims from entering because we dont want more bad guys in our countries.
>>69797877
Is the one on the right correlation or causation?
>>69797877
It's funny how they always say shit like "10 times more likely". It's just another way to lie to you. Say there is a .01 percent chance of something happening, making that 10 times more likely only increases your risk to .1 percent. But it just doesn't sound as scary to idiots that way.
>>69797877
>>69798175
>>69803155
>>69801037
What is it with Canadians and being such massive fucking faggots? I swear 90% of leaf posts are retarded, repetitive, unfunny shitposts and liberal cucks whining about what white people and Americans do
and/or shilling for Reddit. Fuck all of you faggots with your shit opinions and your queer stoner prime minister.
>>69798175
A gun is designed to propel a projectile at several times the speed of sound. What people do with that is just evolution.
It's not within the same ballpark to compare it to a religion based entirely around subjugation and domination.
>>69797877
>guns don't kill people, people kill people
>Muslims are people with a dangerous ideology.
hmm.
A fucking leaf?
>A gun in the home of niggers is dangerous
FTFY
>>69797877
You are aware that if you do not deal in drugs or are involved in a gang, everyone of those statistics you quote turns around completely and shows that you are safer with a gun.
That's like saying that American law enforcement kills more people than influenza. Yet neglecting to mention that you included the US military killing people overseas in that statistic.
You should feel bad as you are either ignorant or actively lieing.
This calls for the Serbian solution.
>>69808130
be nice what if you had to live in canada, you would be pretty upset too
Guns don't kill people. Niggers kill people.
Ban niggers.
>>69799014
If you have nukes nobody wants to fuck with you. They are reduced to fighting proxy wars that avoid intentionalyl angering the other party. Since nukes were invented superpowers don't want to fight each other anymore. Many more people would die today in war if we did not have nukes.
For example by nuking japan we saved ourselves from having to launch an extremely costly invasion. An invasion which would have cost many more Japanese and American lives.
