Why is it that no other country can build a plane this advanced?
>>69793954
What are you gonna do with it? Bomb more sandniggers with AKs in the middle of the desert?
Harriers have been around since the 70s
>>69794368
No we have drones for that. I really don't know why we keep chucking so much money into man-flying planes when drones are cheaper and more effective.
What is a helicopter?
>>69793954
Wow, its a harrier.
What is the military-industrial complex
inb4 liberal shill
Financial Funding
As example, germany has next to no military budged and yet we are amongst the most advanced.
If we would be at war with the entire world for decades again, im sure we could make some nice stuff.
>>69794875
Because you don't invest any of your money into the military, same with most EU countries. If it wasn't for NATO requiring America to be world police and you lot had to pay a significant budget to defense you'd go stagnant.
>>69795107
>you lot
Kill yourself
>>69794619
raf best af
>>69794619
did you see it crash? No? So no harrier here.
>>69796131
u wot jerry
>>69793954
>copying Russian technology from the 70s
literally why
>>69793954
Dumbass pilot takes off with cockpit open. Fuck! Even I know to close the fucking car door before I drive off.
>>69796218
pretty sure the Harrier has a rather shitty safety record.
And even aside from that. The harrier is pretty much a jet thats shitty at everything but can start and land vertically.
The F35 is a jet with outstanding sensors, avionics and flight characteristics that can also do the VTOL shit in the B variation.
>>69793954
What do you mean no other country?
>>69796903
Harrier is slow.
F35 looks fat.
![Yakolev-YAK38-Forger-taking-off-from-carrier-ship[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZdfOyW3.jpg "Yakolev-YAK38-Forger-taking-off-from-carrier-ship[1].jpg")
>>69793954
guess they are all stupid
you are the smartest and the best anon
>>69796561
Joking? Thats the lift intake...
>>69793954
Many (developed) countries could. It's a matter of cost.
p.s. the F-35 is jointly developed in a bunch of countries.
>>69793954
nobody needs useless features like vertical take off and landing, unless in very specific circumstance. Also other countries have paper plans, developing prototypes, etc. But arent really spending big money on producing new-gen aircrafts. If world war broke out, i bet we would see new fighters flying in like half a year.
>>69798004
The Yak was a POS anon.
>>69798004
This one is called widow maker
>>69798282
I always thought one of the reason for making the F-35 is so that a new code base could be shared with more NATO countries. That could really help them develop future weapon systems to defend Europe (which they should take responsibility for eventually). The US would probably be reluctant to share too much of the code on its legacy figthers and the F-22, etc, since it could make it easier to beat them.
>>69798305
>vertical take off and landing
It does not do that. It does short take off.
Cause no one else would spend well over a trillion on a plane that is one radar advance away from being obsolete
>>69798419
so is the F35
Su 35 is superior. Prove me wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Mocle6Wzk
>>69794875
Russia will rape you again.
>>69798637
>It does not do that. It does short take off.
Lol what? Are you fucking retarded you dumb cunt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW28Mb1YvwY
>>69798792
It doesn't have stealth.
>>69793954
i like this one best 2bh
>>69799007
it's a decent plane, not like the F35
>>69798958
if serbian SAM sites of early 70's tech can see it, then why it's still called stealth?
>Other countries
>Spending money on defense
They just leave us to do all the heavy lifting.
>>69799166
becaus it's hard to rip off 500billion for a non stealth plane
>>69798958
jokes on you mountain serb, 100% stealth doesnt exist
>>69798637
It *does* VTOL - if you strip it down to virtually no fuel or weapons to pull it off.
It can jump from a ski ramp with a half-decent load.
It still needs a full (in fact, extra-long) runway to get aloft with a full load.
Frankly I am very skeptical this ability is worth the money or the hassle. If the Marines need their own CAS well that's why the Marine Light Attack Helicopter Squadrons exist. They're very good at their job and a heck of a lot less expensive.
These babies CAN do VTOL with full tanks and a full load of weapons, and they are unarguably among the worlds very best CAS platforms.
>>69793954
Pretty sure F-35 is that plane that catches fire for no good reason, strangles its pilots, disables avionics because of windows error, falls apart in the air and can't operate under rain.
Not sure which part is advanced one, w/e
>>69794579
In the event we ever end up fighting another military force with an air force
I get the feeling drones have a little bit of latency being controlled by some faggot sitting in a box somewhere
They would probably be btfo in a dog fight by plane with a pilot in it
>>69797776
>in russia even the coyotes try insurance scams
wtf
>>69793954
>F-35
>advanced
>>69799669
>I get the feeling drones have a little bit of latency being controlled by some faggot sitting in a box somewhere
>They would probably be btfo in a dog fight by plane with a pilot in it
>There is a possibility actual battles will be lost due to bad ping in the foreseeable future..
What a time to be alive.
>>69798940
It cannot perform vertical take-off or landing without melting the runway. Unless they use specially toughened concrete slabs. It would destroy normal runways and improvised runways.
They will not do any VTOL with the F-35B.
>>69797776
did they find this dog?
>>69799669
Yes and no.
Drones can actually pull much harder turns than a human pilot could stay conscious through, so in that sense they are much better equipped to dogfight than manned fighters.
But you're right they can suffer from lag problems. And anyone that's played much of any multiplayer fps has some idea how exploitable that can be.
It could theoretically be overcome by moving the 'pilots' to bases in the actual area of operations, but this would greatly increase the cost of the operation and the risk to the 'pilots.'
But either way, jamming is also a *massive* area of concern. Much bigger than the lag, frankly. Any first-tier opponent is going to shut these things down remotely, so they just can't be relied on . Hence piloted airplanes are still military requirements for the forseeable future.
>>69796131
of course it doesn't crash it never flies
>>69793954
theres been vertical planes when you where still in your dads ballsack
nice plane
>>69800317
>tank could not be reached for comment
Warthog is love, Warthog is life
>>69798282
>the F-35 is jointly developed in a bunch of countries.
No! A bunch of different countries paid money towards to development, but America did 100% of the actual developing. No other country could do this!!!
you cant put a price tag on freedum.
>>69794875
>most advanced
>Germany
>>69793954
The F-35 is so terrible that Boeing is already working on its successor. No F-35's are even in service.
>>69793954
Yak-141 with "stealth" (Not even very low-observable)
That is all the F-35 is
>>69801883
Sorry, meant Lockheed-Martin
>>69801672
Germans are just trying to clean up their image after WW2.
>>69796561
You're kidding right?
You can't possibly be that stupid, can you?
Google: Speed Brake and shut your fucking mouth
>>69800317
can warthog even beat an f-16 in a dogfight?
>>69794619
Nah man. Harriers have been operational for years.
That's an F-35. Lockheed Martin's retirement plan.
F-35 is garbage and so are most recently developed aircraft. The F-22 is really good but its just so fucking expensive. In reality more fighters from the 70s are more useful than that shit. F-35 is slow, it doesn't function in the rain, it burns fuel like crazy. Also here is a Russian gen 5 aircraft in development that could absolutely BTFO the F-35.
>>69802413
The A-10 can't even be utilized if MANPADS are a threat, it's a shitty meme plane
They can, but they won't, because it's a huge waste of money.
>/pol/acks claim to be muh free market capitalists that want to crack down on WASTE FRAUD AND ABUSE
>sperging out over the f-35 because oohhhhhhh shiny
you're a fucking dumb cunt OP
>>69802413
an f-16 would even beat the F-35 in a dogfight
>>69795107
>you'd go stagnant
No we wouldn't, we'd probably be forced to cut massively on welfare
Honestly, the USA should just elect Trump and have him tell us to pay for our own defense, it'd be best for everyone
military illeterate here. what is the flight range of 3rd and 4th generation fighters? say that i am the usa and i am at a conventional war with russia. i want to bomb a bunch of stragetical important. the bombardment will last 1 hour, dogfights are iminent. can i have them fly from all the way of us airports to europe and have them back? or would i have to use some european base or some aircraft carrier?
>>69797776
Puss in Boots
>>69802951
With exterior fuel tanks and such I think most 4 and 4+ gen aircraft could do it
>>69793954
>STOL
>Not even VTOL
lmao don't come to me with that weak shit again
most accomplished modern carrier jet coming through
https://youtu.be/VBG7fkHlPY4
When Trudeau realizes he can re spark the aero space industry in Canada by subsidizing the creation of an upgraded avro arrow, Canada will have the most functional and powerful aircraft in the world.
>>69793954
No other country is willing or able to spend that much money on a risky high-tech defence project.
>>69802951
You would have bombers fly in that would then be joined in flight by escorts off of a carrier or closer airbase.
>>69803261
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLLWH56uULY
>>69794579
Drones can't fly in contested or denied airspace yet.
>>69799669
Ultimately you'd want it to fly by itself in a dog fight since latency would always be a problem. If the AI was good enough it would BTFO a human pilot since it could multi task on a different level and pull 9+ G manouvers without passing out.
>>69802951
>>69794579
>I really don't know why we keep chucking so much money into man-flying planes
Because its a show for the plebs and a great way to funnel money into better toys.
>>69803478
Drones don't even really run on AI they are still mostly man controlled. I don't think we live in an era in which AI will take the role of pilots. Also AI will never have that human risk taking inventive shiet that makes pilots great.
>>69803347
Europe used to do joint development projects
Tornado and Eurofighters for example
>>69800869
BRRRRRRT
>>69794579
You know nothing of the F-35 then...
"Multi role fighter" was a mistake. Why make something okay at everything but not really good at anything instead of making an arsenal of different aircraft that are perfect for their jobs.
>>69798792
Turkey shot one down LOL
Fuckin roach
>>69803876
I know they are man operated, I start training to fly them in a couple months, but for dog fights latancy will always be a huge issue and AI that can take over just for dogfights seems the best solution.
>>69795996
>Carlsberg
>British flag
This confuses the Dane.
>>69793954
it's apparently a piece of shit and they sunk more money into that one plane than they did in the iraq war
>>69804213
I heard a few thousand turks flew into the intakes and clogged the engines
>>69804213
Turkey shot down su 24
>>69802663
LOLOL OMG THIS IS GREAT
>it's a shitty meme plane
>BERNIE WILL BUILD FREE PLANEZ
It's a secret to everyone, OP.
>>69804211
because instead of having to spend money to keep multiple different planes you cut the costs and only have to pay the maintenance for one
>>69804213
The Su-35 was never shot down you moron, that was the SU-24 which was on a ground attack mission against an enemy without an airforce.
>>69804211
$$$
Kinda ironic now right?
>>69803261
>>69803445
Delta wing best wing
>>69804334
But what I'm saying is that programming that kind of AI is like 50 years in the future. It's just not gonna happen rn.
1. what's the point of being to land vertically if it cannot take off vertically?
2. semi-autonomous drones will make these obsolete anyway
>>69802793
An F-16 would get destroyed by an F-35 before a dogfight even started.
>>69804407
In theory that sounds great but it didn't really work out now did it?
>>69793954
>build a plane
how retarded are they? shouldn't these all be drones by now. get dat AI
>>69804619
Oh really? How so?
>>69804619
A fully upgraded F-16 would stand a great chance against the F-35, especially considering how many potential faults and errors the F-35 would have.
In reality the PAK FA is going to be the best Aircraft around for a long time.
>>69804619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55lRK9fPj8A
>>69804211
Jack of all trades, masters of none.
How much has been sunk into R&D at this point?
I wonder what Trump thinks of the project.
>>69804806
/thread
>>69804826
Over a trillion dollars I believe.
>>69804451
More like 20
>>69793954
WWII planes would be more effective against ISIS then F-35
>>69801521
>yfw the Brits are so inept we had to build them a $1 trillion plane that will work on their cuck ramps
>>69798282
F-35 was formally known as the X plane in a Contest between Lockheed Martin and Boeing for 1 Billion dollar contract here in the USA
Google Battle of the Xplanes PBS
What you cucks don't understand is that it can transform into a fucking robot.
>>69802084
Americans mainly use their airforce for terrorizing some arabs in middle of nowhere.
A P-47 from WWII would be enough for that role
Anything else is excessive
>>69804739
>>69805067
It was US Marines crying MUH VTOL. British just joined the circus here m8
The french Dassualt Rafale is actually a highly capable ground attack vehicle with alright close range fighter capabilities. It's only issue as a multi role fighter is it doesn't have BVR or the stealth meme.
Because no one spends money on their military like 'merica does
>>69805700
this has literally been tested mate. F-16s won a dogfight against the F-35. It's absolute shit plz don't shill it.
>>69805639
I think Isis has the anti air capabilities to fuck up a p47 I don't think that's all you need but it would be funny.
>>69805700
a load of 2 missiles?
>>69805869
Europe did. It's called the eurofighter and its also trash. Much like the f-35.
>>69805876
Oh really? When exactly did an F-16 shoot down an F-35?
Why even try to compete?
>>69806056
It was a test m8 and I posted the link earlier.
>>69804619
>Be German
>don't know anything about planes
Fucking hell. WHY?
>>69806155
A combat test? Or a control law test that you're deliberately misrepresenting as a combat test?
The two greatest privileges in human history are being an astronaut and flying a fighter jet.
Imagine dat feel.
>tfw too old to do either, wasted your potential in life.
>>69806282
http://breakingdefense.com/2015/07/what-the-f-35-v-f-16-dogfight-really-means-think-pilots/
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a16248/test-pilot-f35-cant-dogfight/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3148585/Pentagon-say-reason-expensive-fighter-jet-F35-lost-dogfight-F16-40-years-ago-did-not-special-coat-stealth-paint.html
>>69799669
>>69794579
>>69803478
>>69803876
>>69804079
Why not just throw waves of suicide drones at any aircraft flying in contested airspace
>>69806504
They fly extremely slow and aren't maneuverable. they also don't go high altitude
Try again.
>>69806609
Why not pour a fraction of the R&D budget into designing ones that can do those things.
>>69806504
Just like your animes, right?
>>69806504
This is not one of your stupid cartoons
>>69806402
Well then let's see what an actual real-world fighter pilot has to say about that:
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/03/01/norwegian-f-35-pilot-counters-controversial-dogfighting-report/81170580/
>>69806659
There is probably a very good reason not to. I just don't know it.
>>69806504
>>69806609
>>69806706
>>69806718
Isn't this the future though
Suicide drone fleets could be the modern-day equivalent of what aircraft carriers were in the 1930s.
>be american
>have gun problem
>have immigration problem
>have education bubble
>have housing shortage
>have terrorism problem
>have privacy problem
>waste TRILLIONS on dollars on planes that will probably never be used in a real conflict
>>69803261
>Trudeau
>implying he is good for anything or gives a fuck about his country at all
He looks like an Armenian immigrant being cucked by a white woman.
>>69806504
>Suicide drones
AKA missiles, we already use those.
>>69806740
And this is all just against an f-16 man. Think about how it would fare against modern Russian fighter aircraft or anything like that.
>>69794471
The 1960s actually. Original MOD requirement specification was late 1950s. I think first flight was 1965. Not bad going.
>>69806949
Not like this. Not en masse and used as a means to obtain air superiority by overwhelming enemy aircraft.
>>69806899
He said it in a speech before that he was pulling out of the f-35 program to figure out something new and many people have proposed that plan.
>>69806890
No, this is stupid.
The future of war will be based around disabling electronics and creating machinery to collect and transmit data faster.
>>69806890
Sure thing bro. Now run along to your cartoon. Your mother will be home soon.
>>69799986
>the guy experiences lag
>rage quits
What a future
>>69793954
What is a Harrier?
>>69807043
>We don't use Missiles in mass now
Modern destroyers are backed to to brim with anti-air missiles.
>>69807333
What is a loo?
The russians and chinese have anti air missile tech that will blow anything out of the sky if they get a lock on. Thats always been the name of the game in war. Being able to kill the enemy from far away.
Thats why stealth tech is so important these days. If you can get a lock on them before they get a lock on you then you will probably win that engagement. The F35 was never meant to be a maneuverable aircraft because there is no need to get so close anymore in a dogfight. Why bring a knife to a gunfight?
>>69807061
>He said it in a speech before that he was pulling out of the f-35 program
Is that 'Murrica official?
>>69796903
Harrier crashes mostly due to Americans putting helicopter pilots in them. It can hover right? So it must be like a helicopter? No. They crashed a lot of them.
Avionics were up-to-date for the time, this is an aircraft described in a 1957 specification, which first flew in 1964 and then underwent various improvements. It will be retired from Bongland in 2018.
Harrier is slow compared to a normal "fast jet" but then speed for the close air support role is not terribly important. Endurance and payload are however, and the Harrier was limited by those.
The F35 is so far as I understand, completely unproven, and looks like a collection of compromises too... a bit like the Harrier.
>>69793954
my guess would be jews?
>>69807333
>>69807366
shots fired
>>69807413
Not sure exactly what you mean Hungary Bro but I don't think its official yet that he is pulling out.
>>69793954
>F-35
>advanced
lmao xD
>>69802615
eh pak50 will not btfo f35
but it will be less expensive, easier to maintain and use for sure
>>69793954
Dissapointing. I thought it was going to launch over the truck or something.
>>69799669
>in the event we ever end up fighting another military force with an air force
If you fought anyone with planes advanced enough for it to matter the nukes would fly anyway.
>>69807414
>Harrier crashes mostly due to Americans putting helicopter pilots in them
this is spot on
SAME ISSUE with the osprey
>>69807540
Explain please. The f-35 is legit garbage. If the pak50 is even semi functioning it can destroy it.
>>69807413
No, they still payed their membership contribution to stay in the Program this year.
>>69807393
>Thats why stealth tech is so important these days
its actually becoming less and less important due to strides made in radar technology
You're one of those people that believe stealth just makes you invisible to radar like in video games but anyone who studies engineering knows that no material, no mechanism will ever be 100% efficient
And so you see these things on radar but the echoes resemble things that you normally wouldn't look for identifying things - radar operator training and modern high resolution radars that russia is actually pretty good at are making stealth less and less useful every year
>>69807497
Well, I watched a Fifth Estate video back in the days....
CND has been canceling that contract for a while.
>>69793954
i thought it was going to hit the truck
>>69807414
You're confusing the harrier with the tornado re retirement it think, senpai, we haven't had any flying harriers for a few years now.
>>69807847
>so that's settled then
>>69807906
I never once said that stealth makes you completely invisible. But I'm not going to downplay how necessary stealth tech is in the modern battlefield either. Russian and Chinese stealth planes are a reality, proving that stealth isn't some western propaganda meme.
It's very simple. As radar technology and missile technology advances, so should defenses for such tech. The holy grail of military tech is being able to take out the enemy from far away before they can even see you.
What i fail to understand is that when militaries try to adopt such technologies, people on this board like to say things like "It's not maneuverable enough!". It's not meant for close range dogfighting because it's meant to kill from miles away! Will it completely defeat radar? No. But it will allow for pilots to get missile lock before enemy pilots do and thats a massive advantage.
>america finally has a vtol jet
Welcome to the 1960s.
>>69806504
This isnt an anime burger.
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1459190964490.webm
>>69808407
This.
F-35 is a multirole fighter.
People don't fucking get it.
The US already has F-22 for air superiority and dogfighting, it is the undisputed best fighter aircraft in the world, to the point that the US has banned export sales of it even to its closest allies due to how advanced it is compared to other aircraft.
F-35 has a completely different mission.
Fighter-Bomber =/= Air Superiority Fighter
>Muh Eurofighter
>Muh PAK FA
These are no match for an F22 which would be the real opponent in an air superiority campaign.
>>69806898
le fedora doge
>>69808407
Ideally it will do that.
And some of the skeptics probably are just reflexively skeptical.
But some of us have experience. Let's go with your knife analogy. Every infantryman since the beginning of time has carried a knife, and they are still carried to this day.
The vast majority of infantry combat is fought far outside of knife-fighting range, so why carry them? Why do we still train troops how to use them?
Because it's a relatively insignificant addition to the kit, useful in other ways, relatively inexpensive, and one time in a million it might actually get used and save the soldiers life. And also because if we *quit* doing that we would open a vulnerability that might be exploited. If the enemy knows we simply are not equipped for close-quarters combat they will start looking for ways to engage us in it.
I think dogfighting capability is similar. It's mostly just a matter of basic maneuverability and visibility and those aren't bad things to have in general, even if you never actually dogfight. It's very nice to have the ability, and IF you happen to really suck at that particular range, then the enemy is going to start looking for (and likely finding) ways to force combat to occur at that range.
>>69809540
Yes mcnigger but as far as being a fighter bomber goes than the f-35 is still bad compared to say the rafale.
I think we or anglo can too , but we don't have the money for this
>>69806504
Literally cruise missiles.
If you're talking about drones that you can control and do other stuff in flight, the reason we don't have that as our primary fighter jets is because Russia has really capable electronic warfare systems. Can't do much with a drone if it's being jammed and out of control..
>>69809447
Thank you
All this bullshit is obsolete tier public facing front anyways famalam
https://secretspaceprogram.org/
>>69809738
The Rafale is more maneuverable but the F-35 has better avionics and missile systems at its disposal.
AIM120C > Mica Meteor, Matra Magic II
>>69799498
Z's fitted with FLIRpod and DIRCM...untouchable
>>69810176
sure it works for America to have the f-35 hide behind the f-22 but many countries are being scammed into buying these multi role fighters and treating them like they can do everything including air superiority
>>69804407
by that logic, we should all be driving SUVs
>>69810324
You have a good point there.
Rafales or Eurofighters are a better choice for foreign countries.
The F-35 is the biggest American military failure since Star Wars.
If it ever gets fully operational, it will already be obsolete.
Think other countries aren't paying attention to this extremely expensive clusterfuck?
Kek.
https://youtu.be/sh-J4GSPgAM
>>69796903
>a new plane has more gadgets than a 50 year old plane
wew lad
>>69810495
>>69810324
F-35 can do air superiority better than any 4.5gen jet out there. It has low observability and very good sensors. Your maneuverability means nothing when your fate was set by an AMRAAM launched 50 miles away.
>>69795107
You realize one of NATOs goal was to keep in check former axis enemies, do you?
>>69813198
put those sensors on a bvr capable 4.5 jet that is way faster than the f-35 and what do you have? Something better than the f-35.
>>69813390
And you end up with a block 60 F-16. An aircraft that costs just as much as an F-35 but without any of the low observable characteristics. Yes the sensors are nice but you will still be seen by enemy sensors before you get within missile range.
I wonder why, you raise a question, damn the USA is great at making planes.
>>69799669
As someone who works on drones a strong wind will tip them out of the sky. Technologically impaired old men running higher office think we can send them out into storms and my job never ceases.
An aircraft could destroy a drone pretty much by just flying too close.
>>69813779
What about the f15 SE. It has some stealth characteristics and Israel is buying them so they must be good.
>>69793954
Because you spend more money
>>69793954
who cares about that? I want an army these fuckers
>Hey John we have plans for this new advanced and hugely expensive plane, Let's build a few prototypes and test them out thoroughly working out all problems before we mass produce it
>I have a better idea Cletus, let's build hundreds of planes, and when problems happen we fix all of them at a huge cost. But those hundreds of planes won't be combat-ready anyway, so we wouldn't use them.
>You are a genius John
>>69793954
>Built by a coalition of 20+ countries
>Why can't you non-Americans build planes like us. This plane was built only by Americans.
Kill yourself
>>69814384
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT
>>69814145
At best it might be a little more LO than a super hornet. You have to build aircraft to be stealth from the ground up. Simply angling the vertical stabs and putting some RAM paint on the jet does not make it stealth. That's the first I've heard about Israel getting F-15SEs. Doesn't really make sense for them to.
>>69814702
To be fair, it is pretty much just the US and UK doing the bulk of the development. Everyone else is really only involved financially.
>tfw you like the f-14
>>69814384
>Unmanned A-10s
>>69815167
To be fair, you're only managing the development, providing the finance and the resources.
We're the ones behind the scientific/technological development - and maybe some krauts.
Because you have the blueprints, other countries would rather buy what exists than invest years in funding and blow billions on shitty prototypes when they know the big ol' US of A is going to waste their money doing exactly that!
So, really, a big thanks for wasting so much money so you could build other countries perfect weapons.
>>69804345
>British flag
You mean English
>>69815851
>They get money off of our laziness
>>69816068
They have spent literally T R I L L I O N S on development, we can spend a fraction and have the spent result.
WE WIN.
>>69794471
>harriers were invisible to radar
awesome
>>69815939
>a language has a flag
lmao
>>69816337
It's an ENGLISH Flag from ENGLAND.
>>69794471
And fell out of the sky frequently.
>>69793954
Forgetting something, We were the first to do it.
>>69816602
>>69813826
>most senisble post in this thread casually ignored
>>69816198
You do know that the trillion pricetag includes all R&D, aircraft procurement, and maintenance for the lifetime of the aircraft. Right?
>>69796235
Russian... VTOL is a British invention, Harrier jet: 1969...
>>69816797
It is forever better for any outside country to buy your product than be the supplier.
>>69813826
>t*rk funding
At least they have some fine ISIS oil to run them, no worries about consumption
the F35 have a lot of problems, the F22 is much better and the americans are keep it to themselves, actaing like "jews"
>>69793954
That plane is the epitome of "we are at peace" technology.
That thing wouldn't last 1 year in a real industrial war.
It's like what the Nazis did in WW2 with Wunderwaffen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_163_Komet
Useless.
What would win wars would be a F-16...
>>69793954
>What is Yak-38?
>>69793954
Dude what about world superpower North Korea?
>>69802279
You are the one retarded, it was obviously ironic.
>>69817038
I'm pretty sure it's better to be the supplier. It's like asking what makes more - a neet or a store owner.
